Are Mass Shootings Predicted in the Bible As a Sign the World Is Coming to an End?

Are Mass Shootings Predicted in the Bible As a Sign the World Is Coming to an End? October 2, 2017

Does the recent mass shooting in Las Vegas indicate a sign of the end times?

The Days of Noah

With the horrible mass shooting at Las Vegas, the United States has just seen the worst mass shooting in modern history. What does this meaningless violence mean? Will it get worse and worse as the time of Christ’s return draws near? Jesus once spoke about His second coming and referred to Noah’s day, saying, “For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man” (Matt 24:37-39), so what were the days of Noah like? The Bible says “The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart” (Gen 6:5-6), and “the earth was corrupt in God’s sight, and the earth was filled with violence. And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth” (Gen 6:11-13). Noah’s day doesn’t seem that different than the days in which we live today, but is the recent violence more evidence that the time of Christ’s return draws near?

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Growing Cold

In the same prophecy where Jesus spoke about His second coming, He also mentions that “because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold” (Matt 24:12), and it’s not hard to see that the natural love that humans have is growing colder and colder as violent episodes increase all the more. The Apostle Paul, in writing about the last days, wrote “that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good” (2nd Tim 3:1-3). I can’t see that the love of mankind is increasing right now, but rather, it seems to be decreasing as opposing ideologies clash with one another and these groups are “proud, arrogant, abusive…unholy, heartless”… and they are not “loving good.” Paul also spoke of the human condition apart from the Holy Spirit, saying they “were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless” (Rom 1:29-31). Of course, I don’t mean to insinuate that all unbelievers are this way, but it doesn’t take very many in a society with these characteristics to disrupt and divide a society.

A Short Time?

If we think that things are getting better, and that they will continue to get better, as mankind spirals every upward toward a tendency for less violence and a humanity that unites in peace, we are fooling ourselves. The Bible indicates otherwise, and even though nobody knows when the end of this age will be (Matt 24:36), Jesus did tell us to watch for the signs leading up to His return, saying, “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” (Matt 24:32-34), “And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short” (Matt 24:22), indicating that if Jesus does not physically return to the earth to intervene “cut short” those days, “no human being would be saved,” but it is “for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short,” because God will not allow humanity to completely destroy itself. Do the Devil and his demons know their time is short? It’s very possible because I believe Satan knows the Bible better than most of us, and he can see the signs of the times too. The Apostle John wrote in the Book of Revelation that we should “rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short” (Rev 12:12)? Satan’s time being short means his time is coming too, so he would love nothing more than to take as many to hell with him as possible.

Conclusion

Does the recent mass shooting in Las Vegas indicate a sign of the end times?  It could well be, and although the Bible doesn’t expressly say mass killings are a sign of the end times, it does appear that the fig tree is bearing the fruit of Jesus’ return (Matt 24:32-34), so if this article or the escalating violence on the earth makes you think about Jesus’ Christ, then it has been more than worth it.  All believers should be more passionate about reaching the lost before Christ returns, because then, it will be too late (Dan 12:2-3; Rev 20:12-25). We do know the day of Jesus’ return will, but we do know it come suddenly, like “the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man” (Matt 24:27), so at any given moment, there “will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matt 24:30-31). Those who have rejected Christ will mourn, for then they will know (too late) that Jesus Christ does exist and He is coming to judge the world in righteousness, so I plead with you who disbelieve, to repent and put your trust in Christ. Today is the day of salvation (2nd Cor 6:2). Tomorrow may be too late.

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • Iain Lovejoy

    Predicting the “end times” is a good way to make yourself look daft, and the whole “end times” thing always seems to turn out a colossal misreading of the Bible.
    Your quote from Matthew 24 omits verse 36, which is the point of the passage “And concerning that day and the hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, except my Father only.”
    The whole point of the mention of the time of Noah in Matthew 24 is that no-one was expecting the flood: you are using a passage explicitly warning against such predictions to make exactly the kind of prediction it is warning against.

    • Jack Wellman

      Thanks my friend. If you read, you can see I am not predicting. I am saying the signs are there and Jesus told us to watch for these signs, but as I said, no one knows when that will be. And I did not omit Matt 24:36 which is in this article, that “nobody knows when the end of this age will be (Matt 24:36),” but your point about Jesus’ coming when no one is expecting Him, and it’s “business as usual” is a great point I will take to heart my friend.

      • NathansFather

        Hang in there Jack… I feel PUD breathing down our necks…

        • pud

          Imbecile

          • NathansFather

            Right on cue. You lied saying you would stay away. The demons in you simply won’t let you. Thank for attacking me once again. You have blessed me. Now I dust my sandals of you and will report and block you.
            May God have mercy on your dark soul and confront you supernaturally.
            Now go post on the portion for the atheists on Patheos. Your hatred might be appreciated there amongst the lost and those who will never awake who doom themselves.
            You are one miserable D|ck which is what your name means.
            You he/she/it won’t even prove you are human.

          • pud

            Yeah the invisible demons possess me…You are so mentally ill. You piss off and take every one of your fellow sick deranged lunatics with you. You are all a pox on the civilized rational world

          • What demons? Jesus was fully human and was subject to the limits of his humanity. In those days, most people in Israel believed in invisible, evil entities called demons and Jesus did also. Surely, Jesus is wrong. These beings are mythical. There is no evidence that they exist. Evil exists, but this is caused by people, not demons. After all, the bible says that Jesus did not know everything, and that he grew in knowledge and wisdom. If Jesus did not know everything, then he could have been mistaken on many things.

            The only reason that you believe that demons exist is that you think Jesus is God and could never be mistaken.

          • NathansFather

            Part 1
            Unfortunately you seem to be Ill informed. Jesus is GOD the SON. His lineage is detailed in Luke 3. He was conceived by The Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. Through being conceived by the Holy Spirit (also GOD) of the Trinity He was indeed fully GOD and fully man. GOD the father is indeed His Father. The Holy Spirit was the transmission of God the Father’s Seed.

            He now Sits on the Throne to judge the quick and the dead. All come to the Throne like it or not. Yes, agnostics, atheists such as our resident D|CK PUD (he, she, it has yet to prove whether it is a human or not), along with the apostates and wolves in sheep’s clothing.
            For followers of the Way it is the Mercy Seat. For those who oppose GOD the SON it is not a pleasant judgment to be in a dwelling place of the demonically possessed.

            Jesus IS the WORD of GOD.

            Now as to demons IF you read the Bible Jesus could cast out demons. He did this on several occasions.

            For instance He cast out the seven demons who inhabited Mary Magdalene. I guess you missed all of this. Go ahead and “fact check” me on this.

            In another occasion he cast out the demons in a man and placed them in a herd of pigs. They plunged themselves down a cliff. There also were other casting outs.

            Any other questions I have the answers … [See Part 2]

            OR ….

          • pud

            “fact check” hahahhahahhaaa! too funny

          • The virgin birth is a myth.

            By the way, Pud is human. If you believe the bible, then human beings created in the image or likeness of God. Though you believe in the so-called “Fall”, I know of no theologian who believes that the “imago Dei” was obliterated by it. They regard all humans as human. So Pud is human and you seem to treat him/her as sub-human. Pud has no need to prove his/her humanity. By far, Pud has more rationality than you seem to have.

          • NathansFather

            Sorry but I must mark and block you too as a personal harasser.

            PUD refuses to say what s*x he/she/it is but his/her/its moniker literally means d|ck. Whether it is a disembodied male organ or a tool for a l*sbian or invisible demon or a combination of them???.

            Always asking us to prove Jesus exists, calling us some of the most despicable names on the planet. he/she/it chose the moniker we did not.

            Sooo one must rightly ask are you human? Prove it?! Or do you have no human form and are perhaps a demon? Proof PUD. Not that I can read what the next filth you will post D|ck. I am through with your demoniac diatribes.

            I posted over hundreds of sources of what is a demon. As far as we know you fit the bill PUD.

            “pud slang”
            https://duckduckgo.com/?q=PUD+slang&t=h_&ia=web

            Oh and I am required to say thank you both for blessing me with this opportunity to once again testify Jesus Iesous Y’shua’s authenticity.

            The two of you really need to skip along now and post on the hate-filled Patheos Atheist forum. Hate away together should have lots of fun doing your tag team routine.
            Neither one of you know a whit about followers of The Way , Truth, and Life.

          • These sources referring to “demons” are ancient world nonsense. There is no scientific evidence for their existence. There is just as much evidence for the existence of fairies as there is for demons: absolutely none.

          • NathansFather

            You didn’t read Romans 8; John 17′ Mark.
            So why are you bothering us with your lectures?
            You don’t know Jack (sorry Jack I know you ha!)

          • I’ve read them plenty of times before. I wasted 3 years of my life studying at a seminary.

          • NathansFather

            WOW! Really? What turned you away from your faith in I AM? A person? An experience? A real shame whatever or whoever it was. You have The Way back should you choose to come back. But who knows our when our next breath will be our last? Too late then to come back to Jesus Iesous Y’shua. I am concerned for you.

          • I didn’t miss that Jesus is alleged to have cast out “demons”. This is ancient world mythology. The Gospels were most likely written between the mid 60’s to the mid 90’s of the first century CE by unknown authors. The first is most probably the Gospel according to Mark. The last is the Gospel according to John. This is some 35 to 65 ( approximately) after Jesus died.

            You can’t be sure its all accurate. There seems to be much mythology, like Jesus levitating into the sky, walking through walls, walking on water, feeding several thousand people from a few fish and loaves. etc. These things are contrary to the laws of physics and biology.

          • pud

            Don’t confuse them with reality…they are just simple folk…people of the land….morons

          • NathansFather

            This should keep you busy for years.
            You asked. Be careful what you ask for you may just get it 🙂

            Bible Verses About Demons

            http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?s=bibles&q=demon&t=kjv&c=all

            What demons could do in Bible times, they can still do today. Just because we cannot see their activities, does not mean that they aren’t there and functioning. Demons are fallen angels who followed Satan’s rebellion from heaven and are organized under Satan in hierarchical levels known as rulers, authorities, powers, and spiritual forces of evil.

            The best weapon we have in consistently defeating Satan is effective and constant discipleship. God freely provides the spiritual armor necessary to stand against Satan and to unveil his dastardly schemes: truth, righteousness, the gospel of peace, faith, salvation, the Bible and prayer.

            Excerpt used with permission from Do Demons Exist Today?
            We may have found what you are looking for in another section!

            References(519)
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          • Demons are a myth. It’s all nonsense.

          • NathansFather

            So did you read any of these from the Bible Search site or not? Oh I assure you demons are indeed real. I have seen many results of actions such as this shooter of what demons can do to a person. It is not pretty. Only a confrontation with the Living GOD can turn these poor humans around to rid them of the demons they have opened themselves up to. The more hatred takes them over the more demons hold their sway.

          • NathansFather

            So did you read any of these from the Bible Search site or not? Oh I assure you demons are indeed real. I have seen many results of actions such as this shooter of what demons can do to a person. It is not pretty. Only a confrontation with the Living GOD can turn these poor humans around to rid them of the demons they have opened themselves up to. The more hatred takes them over the more demons hold their sway.

          • I am aware of these passages in the bible. They are mythological and are designed to show Jesus’ power over evil. Go to a decent seminary or read John Shelby Spong’s blog and books.

          • NathansFather

            Please tell me more about Shelby Spong’s authority in your perception.

          • It’s better if you can read the scholarly works. I don’t consider anyone having an authority, including the authors of the bible. The reason I suggested Spong is that his books are easy to read and he utilises modern biblical scholarship but, considering you attend a progressive Conservative Evangelical church, I warn you that his books are of the radical liberal kind of biblical and theological analysis.

            Another person who is easy to read is Bart Ehrman. He is an agnostic and teaches the bible at one USA university. If you dare to read these authors, you might learn an alternative viewpoint if you are not already aware of such viewpoints.

          • NathansFather

            I am not an evangelical that is associated with the “leaders” we see on TV. These are charlatans. Wolves in sheep’s clothing that are treacherous. They have twisted Scripture. Yes, I am conservative as in conserving the Scripture as brought forward in manuscripts.

            I am against Darby and Scofield that twisted to enrich themselves. I do not use the word evangelical when associating my theology. I am a sola scriptura type of person.

            Rather than be labeled I describe myself only as a follower of The Way, Truth, and Life. If it were possible we need to get back to First and Second Century faith. I am sure you have studied Saint Polycarp. This is the type of theology I espouse. My life has not been the same since I discovered his amazing story!

          • NathansFather

            From what country to you come from? I note the English spelling of “utilises” I am always glad to meet others from other countries.

          • Australia.

          • NathansFather

            Neat! You and Monty need to get together. But then Australia is a very large continent. Greeting! I love Aussies!

          • NathansFather

            It’s Tuesday 6:34 AM here. Mabel saw to it once again I woke up about 4 AM. Good tho… as she slumbers next to me on my portion of the recliner sofa our “prayer closet.” My beloved blissfully sleeping. I have this respite each day to study for about 3-4 hours without …. “Woman…. ” 🙂

          • NathansFather

            Part 2

            Here is something I picked up… an ancient tradition of Hebrews (not in the Bible) says that when God created everything He made a Hall of Souls. Remember GOD said He knew us before we were born? This hall had(has) a finite supply of souls. Eventually the last soul will be sent to earth to fulfill the Plan of the Father’s rescue plan for humanity. Of course this is probably early post-Aaron priests but I thought it was interesting… Don’t quote me on it HA! The priest right after Aaron died went off the deep end. So who knows?

          • NathansFather

            I do read scholarly works. I have posted several links here.

            I am surprisingly well read for a lay person. You see GOD has gifted me with the ability to speed read with a high level of comprehension. Am I bragging? Certainly not or as Saint Paul would say perish the thought! I have been broken lower than most people. The only way back was truly by God’s power and none of my own. Since I turned to Him to seek Him full in the face my life belongs to Him alone.

            I think I mentioned by husband is a newly installed humble servant as an elder of our little church.

            There are those who wish to remain in their own brokenness rather than be challenged. We had one such person, Mr. Bingham, who is afraid to read people who can present very humanly logical arguments that atheism, agnosticism, and false prophets cannot refute with any sort of precision.

            Pure logic only comes from LOGOs who in this world was called Jesus Iesous Y’shua. He is the THEOS/LOGOS. Human “logic” pales by comparison.

            Oh we think we are soooo smart. HA! I did at one time too. What a stupid idiot I was. A real fool! God has a real sense of humor. He even made a donkey smarter than Balaam. Even ants are smarter than we are. At least they can follow directions. 🙂

            I am an animal lover. I can truly say my Border Collie Mabel is a blessing of agape love. Superior to humans in this regard.

            My main source of commentary is that of John Gill. Extraordinary individual of the 1700s that held the same pulpit as Spurgeon did roughly 100 years earlier than Spurgeon. I value what Gill so carefully researched using the original Hebrew (as far back as it was recorded and Aramaic) as well as Koine Greek.

          • NathansFather

            Please tell me more about Shelby Spong’s authority in your perception.

          • NathansFather

            Part 2

            As I was saying… OR…

            On Pastor Jack’s Patheos Site I can assist you there.

            I would be glad to quote Scripture to you. If I don’t know the answer
            (I’m getting pretty good at this. I pray, read the Bible and throughly
            cover 3 verses each day in the Berean deep study method. I also get
            several devotionals by various sources each day.) IF I don’t know the
            answer myself through research I can ask my Pastors.

            I email the verses fully fleshed, details sources and TOPIC of The Day
            and Question of the Day to my private distro as a courtesy to them. On
            my distro are Pastors, my blood kin, adopted brothers and sisters in
            Christ, and my beloved. Often times I help Pastor Jack with sermon
            topics for his devotionals and assist Berit with article pointers.

            Each day I receive the topic of the day and question of the day through at least 2 different sources with the same theme within close proximity in time. This is called the Holy Spirit flow. The more a Biblical follower of The Way, Truth, and Life of I AM that, who, is AM. Study the more we may hear the message presented to us by the Holy Spirit’s exegesis.

            I am blessed by my Border Collie Mabel she won’t let me sleep past 4 AM.
            My beloved doesn’t wake up until at least 7 AM some times longer than
            this in slumber. So at a minimum I have my “prayer closet time” on my
            section of the double recliner and a section in-between with Mabel
            pressed to my side.

            Wellll get to studying. You obviously are lacking.

          • Perhaps you can quote how God is alleged to have commanded the Israelis to commit Genocide by wiping out the Canaanites because they were evil. But, to wipe out little children and babies is simply barbaric. The power brokers in Israel tried to justify their barbaric behaviour by claiming “God told us so”. We were only obeying God. This Joshua exhibited a barbarism beyond belief in that he put everyone to the sword, then burnt many of these cities to the ground (to make sure he did a thorough job). Jesus is said to have told us to love our enemies, not to kill them. Jesus is alleged to be the Prince of Peace, not a man of war like Yahweh. Jesus said “let the little children come unto me for of such is the kingdom of heaven”. He didn’t say that we should kill them.

          • pud

            The character “jesus” is a moral monster. Pitting father against son, demanding total obedience to him, curing a leper but not leprosy, endorsing slavery etc etc…he (the mythical nonsense character) should be viewed with contempt not adoration.

          • At least he is better in many passages than the Yahweh of the OT, though I agree with you on the points you have raised. He also was a believer in hell: a monstrous and unjust punishment. How can “sins” committed in finite time require infinite punishment?

          • pud

            True…Yahweh is a nasty prick

          • NathansFather

            It was to wipe out all Nephilim (mix of fallen angels and human women’s spawn). Check out E.B. Bullinger’s Appendix on them.

          • It’s unbelievable how you believe that mythology is to be interpreted literally.

          • NathansFather

            Not unbelievable to me at all. I believe the Bible 🙂 It has not let me down since I threw away my proud selfishness and can follow the Holy Spirit’s lead.

          • NathansFather

            Not unbelievable to me at all. I believe the Bible 🙂 It has not let me down since I threw away my proud selfishness and can follow the Holy Spirit’s lead.

          • I think you are interpreting the bible here. Even most conservative biblical scholars disagree with you on your interpretation of the Nephilim as Canaanites. If you believe in a universal flood, then you believe that the world’s population, since the flood, descended from Noah. No Nephilim there!

          • NathansFather

            Somehow some must has survived OR there was another infusion of fallen angels. Goliath is an example post flood. How they managed to have survived is not specified. Joshua had a very good start eliminating this remnant.

            What people do not understand is even that second generation he lead towards the end of his life turned against him. That is why it is recorded in the Bible paraphrasing… choose, but as for me and my family we choose the Lord.
            John, our family chooses the Lord. We are walking with the Holy Spirit’s help the road less traveled one of sanctification.

          • Well, if there was another infusion of Nephilim, where does the bible refer to it? Goliath is mentioned as a giant, but where does the text say that he was one of the Nephilim who were supposedly the product of sex between human women and so-called “fallen angels”? I think you might be reading too much into the text.

          • NathansFather

            Possibly, John. As I said I am far from mature in my walk than are my dear loved ones Jack, Berit, and Steve. Again, I am a very humbled servant! I was not born since my early 50s. GOD whammed me a good one… you see I thought I was a “good person” and a faithful Christian. NOT hardly. Soooo foolish and full of pride.

            My only source is unfortunately from an ultradispensationalist. He was the contemporary of Darby and Scofield. At least Spurgeon stayed true to Scripture. NO secret rapture. The Bride Church will be here for the full satanic tribulation. This is just my read… The Bride Church will remain as a remnant. Jesus says this that he will come earlier for the sake of the elect saints. Some will see the Lord come down. The people who physically died and who are in Heaven will join Him as He comes to Earth in triumph as the Great Cloud of Witnesses. I would be less than honest if I did not state I would rather not be here during the worst of times. This is entirely up to the Father. I may be still on earth or not. I may be martyred who knows? My eternal destination is assured. I am content in this.

            E.W. Bullinger (usually a very good source of scholarship using Hebrew and Greek.) He sure messes up though. Probably heard (not calling the shots, that is up to God( …. “Depart from me I never knew you,” because of his dispensationialist “theology.”

            Bible Companion Appendices
            http://www.markfoster.net/rn/companion_bible_appendices.pdf

            l 23. “The Sons of God” In Genesis 6:2, 4.
            l 25. “The Nephilim, or “Giants” of Genesis 6.

            Interesting note The Dead Sea Scrolls have far more detail than what our present Canon includes especially in Genesis.

          • pud

            PSYCHOTiC

          • Gen. ch. 6 refers to the Nephilim. If you believe in a universal flood, then they were wiped out. So how can you get that the view that The Canaanites were Nephilim? Isn’t the story of the Nephilim a part of Hebrew mythology?

          • NathansFather

            ?Universal flood? Perhaps of the known “world” at the time. How far this flood extended is not really specified. I dig much more deeply than most. This part of study I have not yet pursued. Sooo much I have covered but it is a tea spoon full of the rich honey stored in The Bible.

            I devote many, many hours a day in The Word and associated devotionals and communication with my blood family, adopted family, and mentors. Still it is a mere piece of bread from a slice of The Bread and drink of The Living Water. I am guided by the Holy Spirit usually in baby steps but a few blessed days with a huge leap.

            This is my calling at this juncture of my life. To share the Good News. I long to hear some glorious day, “Well done good and faithful servant, well done!” Until I am taken home I humbly submit and learn in the time I am afforded by The Father.

          • NathansFather

            Part 3

            Verses supplied each day:

            Bible Study Tools, Bible Gateway, eBible, and Faithlife sometimes the Blue Letter Bible, and Biblia as well as other versions.

            Berean study is a method that gives context to a single verse.
            I use either ESV or NASV generally for the cross references using Bible Gateway.
            Next I read in context the verse in the whole chapter and also note the Footnotes and Cross References. This takes quite a while to trace the cross references of each verse and chapter.

            Next I go for the original lexicon of each word of Strong’s Lexicon of Hebrew and Aramaic (OT) and Koine Greek. I do this with Bible Study tools using the King James Bible. I look up the verses supplied with these keywords which gives me even more understanding.

            Finally I use the Bible Study ToolsJohn Gill Exposition of the Bible for the whole chapters phrase by phrase commentary.

            [See Part 4]

          • Perhaps you need to go to a good seminary that uses historico-critical methods of biblical studies and learn Greek and Hebrew?

          • pud

            He needs to go a good asylum that specializes in cult deconversion

          • Yes, he seems to be a Fundamentalist crackpot, despite his claiming that he is not a Fundamentalist. He needs psychiatric help.

          • NathansFather

            Not necessary Strong’s is quite sufficient as well as the outstanding scholarship of John Gill who was most fluent in the most ancient of languages. You really are missing outstanding true prose.

          • NathansFather

            Part 7 Final installment on this series answering your questions 🙂

            So have you been gifted from birth with any discernible talents? We are born with Holy Spiritual gifts and talents. Those who don’t know theirs have not studied or have received divine intervention in a supernatural event (more than natural man).

            Hope this helps fully explain how I stand on the Rock of my Salvation. My faith cannot be shaken.

            Read Romans 8; John 17; and The Gospel of Mark for starters. You will indeed read in John 17 Jesus Iesous Y’shua as the High Priest who I identifies Himself as I AM and relates the GOD the Father I AM. Then you may come back at me for help and not until.

            Shalom to you if you are part of the Bride Church Brethren.
            I post as a humble servant… and as Pastor Jack sends me email:

            Soli Deo Gloria (Glory to God Alone)
            Sinner saved by Grace as a child of I AM.

          • They all think that their interpretation of the bible is the right one. Only they, and those who agree with them, are said to be guided by the Holy Spirit. The power brokers in many of these Fundamentalist churches apply strong sanctions against those who disagree with some of their dogma under the threat (stated or implied) of expulsion from the group. There is little or no compassion shown towards dissidents. People live under the fear of expulsion and many are likely to lose all their friends, if they don’t have friends outside these churches.

          • NathansFather

            UH oh this goes long too.
            Part 1
            Well this is not our denomination.. . we are kind and caring to all who come to our door and also throughout the community. Unfortunately our affluent area is dominated by MeMyselfAndI Post Moderns that take their kids there to be entertained. Have a feel good experience because their minister is false and sweetie pie wanting to be man pleasers and not please God.
            Few Pastors today read the Bible by chapters and explain each line and pull into context. Our Pastor is wonderfully grounded who convicts us each Sunday simply but reading the Word. The Word is to get us lazy humans out of our comfort zone. There is a lesson to be learned in each book.
            I consider myself a non-denominationalist that happens to belong to non aligned with the UN World Council of Churches where practically all “leaders” of the mainline denominations vote in concert with the UN policy. Also sitting but supposedly non-voting members of highly placed Vatican officials and the ISLAMIST terrorist “leaders.”
            [read Part 2]

          • NathansFather

            Part 2
            Our church is a Cumberland Presbyterian Church no relation to the United Presbyterian Church nor the Presbyterian USA. The mainline Presbyterian Church leadership are some of the very worst.

            Anyway I hope you check out Berit’s Site. She is soooo well studied yet a sweet, sweet granny of whom I have the utmost respect for. She has been attacked by atheists, agnostics, and the wolves in sheep’s clothing. The “christians” her very harshest critics. She and her family have been targeted not only for spiritual warfare but also with their very physical lives.

            If you are not humbled by her scholarship and humility you need a reality check. She has been in the field since 1971. Look around her site and see her bio. You will be amazed to read her story of her father in a Nazi concentration camp. It’s a no greater love than this…

            Carry on and keep the faith. Remember the 2 Love commandments that sum up all 10. Love GOD, love others, self last.

            It has been a pleasure meeting you. Jack is probably the sweetest man I have ever met. The commenters here so harsh on such a wonderful Pastor.

            He has a very interesting story how he came to the faith to be born again in his 20s. Not coincidentially we call each other siblings. He was born on my mother’s birthday and me a 1 1/2 later same year. Differently earthly mothers as sharing as do all followers of the Way are children of the Living GOD the Father.

            I do not lean on my own understanding and come to the table with clean hands to be taught everyday by the Holy Spirit. This is a very comforting and joyfilled experience each day to see miracles small and great through His lens.

          • pud

            jack is a liar who makes his living lying to children. There is nothing worse

          • You kid yourself that you are taught by the Holy Spirit. The god of the bullybull probably doesn’t exist.

          • Well I agree that the Cumberland Presbyterian Church is not a Fundamentalist denomination judging by its ordination of women. It seems to be a progressive Conservative Evangelical church, judging by its statement of faith.

            So why not argue, with theological reasons, why you hold certain positions rather than quoting reams of verses from the bible, which you have previously acknowledged needs to be read in context and that its historical and literary context need to be taken into account.

          • NathansFather

            Hi John,

            I have temporarily unblocked you. Perhaps if we can continue civil dialogue I will continue to answer you. Based on what I have seen when others respond to whatever you said (I only see a one-sided conversation on their end.).

            OK I will answer you with what I just posted to another’s comments. He is PUD/D|cks buddy giving this It a high five as it were. I am sure you have seen this real piece of work in action. Filthy cursings and personal attacks. He/she/it will continue to be blocked by myself and many others. There is no sense speaking with someone inhabited by demon(s).

            OK let me post my answer to you perhaps in Parts. What you ask may take lots of characters 🙂 My husband is an elder in our church. A very sweet, kind, and Biblically-based congregation. You would be more than welcome to attend!

          • Well I agree that the Cumberland Presbyterian Church is not a Fundamentalist denomination judging by its ordination of women. It seems to be a progressive Conservative Evangelical church, judging by its statement of faith.

            So why not argue, with theological reasons, why you hold certain positions rather than quoting reams of verses from the bible, which you have previously acknowledged needs to be read in context and that its historical and literary context need to be taken into account.

          • NathansFather

            Last Part 3 (I hope).

            It has been a pleasure meeting you. Jack is probably the sweetest man I have ever met. The commenters here so harsh on such a wonderful Pastor.

            He has a very interesting story how he came to the faith to be born again in his 20s. Not coincidentially we call each other siblings. He was born on my mother’s birthday and me a 1 1/2 later same year. Differently earthly mothers as sharing as do all followers of the Way are children of the Living GOD the Father.

            I do not lean on my own understanding and come to the table with clean hands to be taught everyday by the Holy Spirit. This is a very comforting and joyfilled experience each day to see miracles small and great through His lens.

          • pud

            They are all cults

          • Amen!

          • NathansFather

            Oh I agree fundamentalism is caught in rituals and rules of man.
            Gee at least one note of agreement before I leave you 🙂

          • Well, I give you this. You have shown yourself to be a Fundamentalist Christian, but there are many other forms of Christianity. Many are kinder, more compassionate and loving than Fundamentalism which is the most abhorrent form of Christianity, even more than the Roman Catholic church.

          • NathansFather

            NOPE no fundamentalist at all.

            You don’t know my theology even after reading my extensive answer to you.
            I have shone you my patience answering you fully. I took quite a bit of time with my answer.

            Love is patient, love is kind…

            You didn’t bother to read Romans 8; John 17; and the most straight forward Gospel of John Mark.

            A loving person does not want anyone to go to h*ll but people like PUD and you have chosen to go to the left.
            You can choose otherwise but it’s too late when you draw your last breath.
            So you determine your course.

            IF either of you geniunely want to turn to Jesus we will be more than joyfilled to help you.
            Meanwhile go to the Atheist Patheos and have it at with the luciferians.

            My theology is Berean and following in the model of Saint Barnabas.
            I identify myself as a follower of the Way, Truth, and Life.
            If you didn’t pick up on this your really need to read for comprehension.

            I will assist you once again:
            Berea
            http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?s=bibles&q=Berea&t=kjv&c=all
            Nobel means humble
            Barnabas
            http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?s=bibles&q=Barnabas&t=kjv&c=all
            (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,)
            I am in the in the Barnabas the encourager pattern to Jack in the mold of Paul.

            We are forbidden to converse with demons.
            So PUD generally goes unanswered except by his fellow luciferians and the occasional new Christian poster which is immediately abused.

          • You seem to act like a Fundamentalist with all your bible quoting. Why not develop theological arguments based on your If you are not a Fundamentalist we could tell better from the theological arguments you set forth.

          • You seem to act like a Fundamentalist with all your bible quoting. Why not develop theological arguments based on your If you are not a Fundamentalist we could tell better from the theological arguments you set forth.

          • NathansFather

            Part 5

            Finishing off as I consult other devotionals and Internet sources to
            study further. As well as consult the vast documents I have collected
            and the catalogued emails I have sent out previously or collected from Berit, Pastor Jack, and Pastor Steve my local church. All carefully stored to my drive either in Word or Outlook in folders.

            Okey Dokey that is my day as I work through the email from many blogs, devotionals, and articles I receive in email which are too numerous to list here arriving as during the course of the day I check periodically.

            Now all of this is accomplished by the gift I was given and through
            training and practice speed reading for comprehension. Now I humbly say all of this because all gifts come from GOD and not by my doing.

            What God supplies He also balances out with a deficit to keep us humble. In my case I have dyscalcula (lack of mathematical retention). I have had to relearn from basic 9th grade level to graduate stats onto Calculus.

          • NathansFather

            Part 6

            It was a necessity to do this in order to pass my Grad Classes and
            taking the Graduate Record exams and my thesis research… so math is my thorn in my side. Unfortunately my skills have devolved again to
            basic Algebra and pre Algebra 9th grade level.

            Previously to the void I was able to obtain adjunct faculty status at 2 tertiary positions. The University of Tennessee and Pellissippi State Community College. The positions were tech oriented for my college and the area of expertise at CC level. They entail train-the-trainer, web design as well as instructing Engineers in computer applications and basic programming.

            [See Part 7]

          • What relevance is this to the question of the existence of demons?

          • NathansFather

            Part 7 Finish to your questions…

            So what gifts were you given by God?
            If you do not know you are not in The Holy Spirit.
            Start your discovery in depth starting with Romans 8; John 17; Whole Book of Mark. Use the Berean study method and when you are through you may ask me more.

            [Addition: Unfortunately John didn’t read his material and did not answer the above question. Ever noticed the challengers are always ready to drill us but never answer OUR questions???]

      • pud

        No fraud….There was NO “jesus” and he said NOTHING!! A made up book said this and that and you gullible stupid infantile lunatics willfully and pitifully see what you want to see as you promote nothing but ignorance and extreme stupidity!

      • pud

        If you weren’t so mentally ill you would KNOW that humans have been on this planet for nearly 6 million years in one form or another…they are all dead with literally billions of them dying horrible fear filled deaths after long suffering ignorant fearful lives. Generation after generation went tits up to disease, war, starvation and natural disaster! We have NEVER lived in such good times you blathering fool! NEVER! And meanwhile..century after century your make believe “god” watched every single suffering death doing NOTHING! Life has NEVER been better! we live longer, there is LESS violence than ever, we have rows and rows of food, medical care, clean water, dentists! You are such a perverted sick indoctrinated lunatic you’ll stoop to the lowest level possible to promote your vile apocalyptic death cult. You are a wicked, evil, sick, deranged man jack. I expect nothing but ignorant death cult nonsense from you but this is lower than low. You’re in the gutter with this one..the sewer…using tragedy to sell your sick agenda to the stupid..sick.

        SHAME ON YOU SIMPLE JACK!! YOU SHOULD BE BEGGING FORGIVENESS FOR THIS SELF SERVING DISGUSTING HORROR SHOW OF AN ESSAY!

        REPENT!!! For gentle jesus meek and mild is coming any minute to mow you down if you don’t!!! How can any human being swallow this shit? You make a MOCKERY of your “god”…a vengeful, petty, trite, capricious lunatic with nothing better to do with his infinite powers. You worship a BOOK written by lunatics like yourself about a psychotic monster of an invisible deity who existed supposedly for all of time who just happens to care more than anything if you jack off or not. Your mind is so warped, so twisted, so delusional you can’t even see what’s right in front of your nose. Your IMAGINARY deity deserves NOTHING but CONTEMPT as you do for writing this atrocious load of crap!

    • NathansFather

      The end times began at Pentecost.
      I know Jack very well. He did not intend to predict anything.
      Yes, he is correct in this the signs are indeed increasing.

      Will the Second Coming be in this generation???
      No one knows… only God the Father knows.
      The point Jack is making is be ready for His coming in season or without.

      Just as the early followers of The Way were instructed also.

      Again I say no one knows the time of their last breath.
      Your last breath too late to choose The Way, Truth, and Life.
      This is what Jack and I and so many apologists stress.

      Love yah Jack! Carry on McDuff 🙂

      • pud

        Bullshit lunatic! Gengus Kahn killed so many people that the carbon footprint of the planet fell! The Black Plague killed a quarter of Europe! Your sick religious cult slaughtered millions in your made up gods name! Life has never been better on planet Earth you ignorant cult promoter of doom, death and stupidity!

    • pud

      You are daft! You all are!

    • pud

      Babbling about a book that writes of invisible deities, talking donkeys, talking snakes, global floods etc IS DAFT! Believing it is INSANITY!

    • tommyboy

      Did not Jesus also warn us to “watch and pray”? When He returns He better not find you sleeping!

      “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.” 1 John 3:2,3

      Waiting for His imminent return purifies us because it keeps us living for Him since we don’t know His exact day of return but we know He is near. “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.” Matthew 24:33

      • NathansFather

        Great point Tommyboy.
        We are supposed to be watchmen on the wall and discern the signs of the times.
        We were already given the season but no the day, date, or year.
        Amazing how we are seeing more and more prophesy lining up with modern events.
        We much have our lamps filled.
        End Times? Who knows? Let’s see God’s Plan to be unveiled as it was written so long ago.
        We know the conclusion that has already happened.
        Hard to fathom for us linear humans… God is timeless.

        • pud

          If something is “timeless” it cannot exist

      • Iain Lovejoy

        I am not disagreeing with you, but do point out that Jesus is absolutely clear we won’t see the day coming and can’t predict it, it will be utterly unmistakable when it comes (whatever it is like) and, in the meantime, we should ignore all charlatans claiming it is coming and professing they know.
        Look up at the sky. If it’s still there, it ain’t the second coming. (Matthew 24:29)

        • pud

          No, “jesus” isn’t clear about anything…the authors of your storybook say this and that. It’s not real dummy it’s a STORY!

        • NathansFather

          I just got this from eBible I get these sent to me daily.

          I do DISAGREE about the “secret rapture” notations of the first person who answered. There is NO proof of this theory. Twisting 1 Scripture does not a truth make.

          Such a false err by some people who should know better. 🙁
          I do admire that author’s scholarship generally though.

          This slurping up of the church msleads many just to kick back and not Warrior On!
          You know like the first century “christians” who refused to work. Wanted other people to feed them. Sound familiar?

          I do believe those saints still living on earth through all the tribulation to come will be taken up to join the Great Cloud of Witnesses Saints accompanying The Alpha and Omega as He descends upon the Glorious Day of The Second Advent.

          WOW! WHAT A DAY!!!!

          So be discerning everyone. The first author does give some interesting points. Other comments quite thought provoking also.

          I like Jack’s What Christians Want to Know much better! 🙂
          https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/

          eBible Question: Is
          it possible to know when Jesus is coming back?
          https://ebible.com/questions/547-is-it-possible-to-know-when-jesus-is-coming-back

          • Well, I do agree with you that the bible does not teach a “secret rapture”. The reference that dispensationalists refer to is in 1 Thess. 4. It says that the ” Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout” etc. Nothing secret about this.

          • NathansFather

            Wow so agreed. Darby and Scofield made a mint pushing this false tale.

            They most probably heard, “Depart from me I never knew you.” Just like the Sanhedrin did during The First Advent. They convinced the people to go along with Crucifying The Lord. I feel very sorry for any poor soul that still hold to their twistings and turnings.

            I try my best to correct the deluded on this but some people just don’t want to hear that we will be going through the greatest tribulation in the history of mankind. Hey howdy I am not exactly keen about it myself but so it has been written, so it will be. His will and not ours. I accept He is the one and only Transcendent GOD. He will protect my soul from harm. Oh man may kill me physically as I stand but they can never separate me from the Love of God. Romans 8 and John 17

            I am very old and I have nothing to lose. Nothing or no one is more important to me that GOD is. GOD first, love others, self last. I will finish well 🙂 I have been so impacted when I literally heard knocks on my doorfacing. No, it was no wild imaginings. I know the difference. Clear as a bell! My life has never been the same since that beautiful experience. The blessings multiply each day. I was soooo stooopid and prideful! Now my life is filled with miracles great and small.

          • NathansFather

            Wow so agreed. Darby and Scofield made a mint pushing this false tale.

            They most probably heard, “Depart from me I never knew you.” Just like the Sanhedrin did during The First Advent. They convinced the people to go along with Crucifying The Lord. I feel very sorry for any poor soul that still hold to their twistings and turnings.

            I try my best to correct the deluded on this but some people just don’t want to hear that we will be going through the greatest tribulation in the history of mankind. Hey howdy I am not exactly keen about it myself but so it has been written, so it will be. His will and not ours. I accept He is the one and only Transcendent GOD. He will protect my soul from harm. Oh man may kill me physically as I stand but they can never separate me from the Love of God. Romans 8 and John 17

            I am very old and I have nothing to lose. Nothing or no one is more important to me that GOD is. GOD first, love others, self last. I will finish well 🙂 I have been so impacted when I literally heard knocks on my doorfacing. No, it was no wild imaginings. I know the difference. Clear as a bell! My life has never been the same since that beautiful experience. The blessings multiply each day. I was soooo stooopid and prideful! Now my life is filled with miracles great and small.

          • NathansFather

            John I can’t find the answer I entered this wee AM now. It will show up again today I am sure. Basically my answer to a very prideful person agreeing with our resident It was about Christians shooting from the hip giving their opinions. I post lots of Scripture and follow the Berean method because what I have to say apart from the Word just like every else’s opinions are but dross as Saint Paul says. (Koine Greek for feces)

            I find responding to other “christians” the hardest challenge I do as a follower of The Way. These apostates or even worse false prophets are the very most difficult even beyond atheists and agnostics to refute.

            IF I can’t support what I have to say with many Scriptures, different versions, cross references, original lexicon I don’t have a leg to stand against them. I had a confrontation that a false prophet, Martin identifying himself as a “pastor” attack me personally. I know how to discern the spirits and usually prevail through Scripture alone to demonstrate Truth versus lies.

            I do not purport myself to be any great expert at all. I am a disciple (student of the Word) still on a walk that is maturing me. I do have some mighty mentors such as Pastor Jack, Berit, and our personal friend our Pastor Steve of Virtue Cumberland Presbyterian Church. Steve is my husband’s golfin’ buddy 🙂

            Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I just got this one. May help yourself and others who are listening to satan’s lies. May help other Christians with iron sharpening iron.

            10 Things The Devil Doesn’t Want You To Know (and What God Does) from the Newsletter I receive weekly of Bible Study Tools.
            http://www.biblestudytools.com/slideshows/10-things-the-devil-doesn-t-want-you-to-know-and-what-god-does.html

            If you agree with our resident troublemaker PUD/D|ck I will have to block you again. I don’t dialogue with the demoniacally invaded humans. Poor PUD! We have tried over and over to get through to he/she. The IT just won’t allow reason and Theos to reach past the delusions they keep speaking. Did you read (I think it was on this article) IT’s goal? Sick to say the least. Why IT won’t trot along after being ignored is beyond us here. Better served to go to the Atheist Patheos.

          • NathansFather

            John I can’t find the answer I entered this wee AM now. It will show up again today I am sure. Basically my answer to a very prideful person agreeing with our resident It was about Christians shooting from the hip giving their opinions. I post lots of Scripture and follow the Berean method because what I have to say apart from the Word just like every else’s opinions are but dross as Saint Paul says. (Koine Greek for feces)

            I find responding to other “christians” the hardest challenge I do as a follower of The Way. These apostates or even worse false prophets are the very most difficult even beyond atheists and agnostics to refute.

            IF I can’t support what I have to say with many Scriptures, different versions, cross references, original lexicon I don’t have a leg to stand against them. I had a confrontation that a false prophet, Martin identifying himself as a “pastor” attack me personally. I know how to discern the spirits and usually prevail through Scripture alone to demonstrate Truth versus lies.

            I do not purport myself to be any great expert at all. I am a disciple (student of the Word) still on a walk that is maturing me. I do have some mighty mentors such as Pastor Jack, Berit, and our personal friend our Pastor Steve of Virtue Cumberland Presbyterian Church. Steve is my husband’s golfin’ buddy 🙂

            Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I just got this one. May help yourself and others who are listening to satan’s lies. May help other Christians with iron sharpening iron.

            10 Things The Devil Doesn’t Want You To Know (and What God Does) from the Newsletter I receive weekly of Bible Study Tools.
            http://www.biblestudytools.com/slideshows/10-things-the-devil-doesn-t-want-you-to-know-and-what-god-does.html

            If you agree with our resident troublemaker PUD/D|ck I will have to block you again. I don’t dialogue with the demoniacally invaded humans. Poor PUD! We have tried over and over to get through to he/she. The IT just won’t allow reason and Theos to reach past the delusions they keep speaking. Did you read (I think it was on this article) IT’s goal? Sick to say the least. Why IT won’t trot along after being ignored is beyond us here. Better served to go to the Atheist Patheos.

          • Well, I do agree with you that the bible does not teach a “secret rapture”. The reference that dispensationalists refer to is in 1 Thess. 4. It says that the ” Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout” etc. Nothing secret about this.

  • NathansFather

    Uh oh I got a this may be spam. I hate when that happens.. must have triggered it with a word sweep. Sigh…

  • NathansFather

    As I was trying to say… let’s see if I get a trigger with the rest I edited out…

    Thank you Lord God, I AM!

  • pud

    This is without a doubt your most stupid, infantile, self serving, demented essay ever written! Your “god” stood by and watched! He did not intervene! He did not heal the shooters mind! He didn’t give a shit just like he doesn’t give a shit when millions of children (the kind that you lie to for your living) starve to death or die of horrible disease. Your made up “god” watches tsunamis kill thousands! Earthquakes bury thousands! Hurricanes devastate whole nations! And you use a tragedy caused by a sick man to press your foul, diseased, demented, infantile cult agenda? You are one SICK dude. Truly sick.

    • Yefry Turcios

      Jesus is not a servant to unbelievers. He only helps those who truly have faith and trust Him. Open your eyes and ears dude and stop being foolish. You either serve this world which is Satan and reject God or you repent and confess your sins to God, who will give you eternal life. Don’t let that evil and wicked Satan deceive you because trust me he does not love you.

      • pud

        LOL! I have a pet unicorn that only believers can see.

        • Yefry Turcios

          “For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen.” – 2 Corinthians 4:17-18
          My Father will not present himself to a world full of sin and corrupt, not until Judgement Day when He returns and take his church to his kingdom. I don’t have to see God to know he is with me because I trust and serve Him . Just like how we cannot see wind, but we can feel it on our bodies. God Bless.

          • pud

            Every religious cult has a book full of ancient ignorant superstitions. You remain a gullible fool

          • Yefry Turcios

            I understand that your pride is preventing you from accepting Christ. I was like you once, I reject and even mocked God. But one day I felt this pain in my heart and I couldn’t go to the doctor because I had no health insurance. I didn’t want to pay a big medical bill for the pain.
            I felt like my heart was being stabbed by small toothpicks and it was unbearable. I felt like I was about to die because it hurted so much. But I began to pray and ask God for forgiveness and to heal me. The next morning my heart was back to normal and I didn’t feel the pain anymore. I thank God because I realized that He listened to my prayer and my King Jesus saved me not only physically, but also spiritually. King Jesus lives!!!

          • tommyboy

            Praise to the Lord! Sometimes that is what it takes for someone to swallow their pride and turn to God. I too did not fully surrender until I was physically, spiritually and emotionally suffering. The Lord has to humble us before He can use us.

          • pud

            BS…thousands of children will die today and your imaginary “god” does nothing. Only the simple minded ascribe nonsense like prayer to changes in their fortunes. The height of self delusion and self centeredness

          • Yefry Turcios

            When you wake up in the morning what do you see outside? You hear and see these beautiful animals, see the beautiful sky, the trees and flowers growing, the amazing seas and mountains, and the most beautiful creation of all: US!!! God created you and me so that we can experience and enjoy life with Him. But since sin took that true love and separated us from God, we have to repent from our sins and come clean so that we can spend all eternity with Jehovah in Heaven. This is all the evidence we need to know God created all things. You think all of this happened just out of nowhere? The Big Bang stuff is just a lie because if an explosion had happened in the universe than there would be radiation and we would all die from it. God Bless

          • pud

            lol…are you older than 5? Explain to me the physics behind speaking a universe into existence out of nothing as your cult claims happened. Waiting….The “big bang” isn’t an “explosion” it was an expansion of space time from an infinitely dense singularity. You clearly have no education or intellect and are too lazy to actually research that which you ignorantly babble about. Just like a simple minded child.

          • Yefry Turcios

            You don’t need to be a child to know the truth. I don’t need to do research about the Big Bang because even the greatest scientists of today think the Big Bang is false lol. In the end it will not matter because Jehovah has already shed his blood for my sins. What’s done is done and now we await the return of Jesus where every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father!! When I will finally embrace Him and thank my Lord forever. Repent please.

          • Yefry Turcios

            You don’t need to be a child to understand the truth. I don’t need to look up research about the Big Bang because even the greatest scientists of today think it is false lol. All that doesn’t matter anymore because in the end Jesus shed his blood to wash away my sins. What’s done is done and now we await the return of Jesus. The day when every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father!! When I will finally embrace and thank Him for eternity. I will stop replying now. It is up to you whether to accept or reject Him. Repent. God Bless.

          • Mark

            Can I ask for what purpose? Why do we have to be humbled?

          • Dan Ham

            Mark, if I may, we don’t have to be humbled by suffering. For whatever reason he suffered, it was not caused by God. God was just able to bring good out of the suffering, to which it “appears” he believes God caused it, but God didn’t. Though humbling ourselves through our own will is a good thing, it’s the opposite of pride and arrogance.

          • pud

            There is absolutely NO evidence that any such person ever existed. Only the most gullible and simple minded swallow superstitious nonsense from ancient religious lunatics.

          • pud

            No simple minded one…I reject EVERYTHING for which there is NO evidence. Only the credulous stupid and infantile “believe” things without evidence. There is NO evidence for ANYTHING you mindlessly subscribe to. That makes you the fool not I

    • tommyboy

      Just as you have the free will to post such comments on here and to choose to hate and ignore what you don’t understand, people like Mr. Paddock have the choice to hurt others. God is not responsible for the starving children, man is responsible. There is enough food and resources on this planet to sustain every person, but the governments of the world like to exert and abuse their power over others in order to keep them in submission. Did you know that whenever you send a box of provisions to foreign countries, the government will open those boxes to inspect and take whatever they want? It’s happened with our missionaries. We can’t just send anything because selfish people will steal it.

      And just as humans have free will, nature has it’s own “free will” of a sort. Different weather conditions produce different results. And because sin has permeated all aspects of this world, sometimes those results are catastrophic. Is it not what the naturalist calls “letting nature run it’s course” or something like that? Why don’t you get angry at the clouds or different wind currents? Oh, because deep down inside you know it was all created. So naturally you place the blame on the one who created it all, right? 🙂

      About healing the shooter’s mind…You have no idea how much the Holy Spirit works in the world do you? He is the one who restrains wickedness. He is the one who whispers to the heart of man and says “you shouldn’t do that”. It is not His fault when man decides to ignore Him and do his own thing. God created each of us with a conscious and a heart. We know what is right and what is wrong. We have the power of CHOICE. We have free will. If mankind loved one another they wouldn’t be hurting one another. If mankind would see that all of us were created in the image of God there would be more compassion towards the souls of others!

      Just curious…it would seem you’ve read more articles on this website? May I ask why you frequent this website if you hate what you read?

      • pud

        Oh I understand you lunatics and your infantile beliefs very well. I have made a many year study on the evolution of religious superstitions and you are no different than the tribes who threw virgins into volcanoes

        You are all low IQ gullible easily led lunatics. You “believe” nonsense and babble rubbish never caring in the least if anything you regurgitate is actually true or not

        • tommyboy

          You make quite a few assumptions without any factual evidence. And your response is the same as all the others in your religion. You guys are programmed well. I was hoping for something new, but alas…

          • pud

            Quite the contrary! There are numerous studies that clearly show the religious to be on the far left of the IQ bell curve.

  • Jim West

    Well, at least your lack of theological training is on full display for everyone to see, along with your ineptitude as an exegete. Stick to insurance sales or whatever it is you’re actually trained in and leave theological stuff to people who know what they’re doing.

    • Duane Locsin

      The writer is a pastor.
      He is just as qualified to interpreting and making crap up as any believer when it comes to Religion.
      Hence the over 30,000 official Christian denominations with their own versions of the “truth”.

      This is not the first, nor will it be the last when Religious zealots and hucksters proclaim their gods wrath or use anything good/bad to endorse their busine….Religion

      • Yes, religious zealots and hucksters seem to bask in a religion of fear, rather than love. They seem to think that they will get more people into their pews and more money in their collection plates if they can drum up a god of wrath who is violent and use this to put the fear of their god roasting them in his eternal torture chamber (Lake of fire). As you point out, they can’t even get their story right with over 30,000 denominations who differ on some point or other. So much for the so-called unity of the church.

    • NathansFather

      If this was meant for me my original post was whacked for length. I forgot to break into smaller parts. It happens.
      As for insurance sales?
      Sorry you don’t know me at all but Jack does.:)
      If you bother to read my newest posts you will see the humble servant of the Lord as my Rock of my Salvation.

    • NathansFather

      IF meant for Jack is this all you have?
      Name calling?
      Personal harassment?
      Jack and I will pray for you to come to understanding.
      I will of course have to mark and block you just like I have had to do on this article which includes our resident D|CK, PUD who still has not convinced any of us he/she/it is human.

  • celticcoll

    Self-serving reading. Try actually acting like a Christian who gives a damn about your fellow man living today, since you don’t know when the end of the world that has been predicted since 1000 will come; rather than interpreting a text written millennia ago, in a language you don’t understand, for a context you don’t know, put together, codified, and exempting over sources you clearly also don’t understand. You are as much a phoney as any medium — your source, your interpretation of it, as is good at the guy on stage who says to the mark “you lost someone who’s name starts with J.” Take your predictions, your stupidity, and your lack of insight into real social problems and try practicing Christianity by dig your fellowman rather than taking the easy way out of preaching what you don’t even understand.

    • pud

      BRAVO!

    • KP2

      Ditto!

      • NathansFather

        Sorry I must block you too KP2 just as with CC your probably targeted retorts will meet with silence from me.

        • pud

          coward

      • NathansFather

        A ditto of a personal harassing attacker???
        Is that all you two have?
        Jack and I will pray for you for giving us the opportunity to share our faith in love.

    • Jack Wellman

      Thank you for the comment, ,but as I did in fact say in the article, I don’t know the end, nor does anybody, and I do care about my fellow man. Read the conclusion to see that.

      • pud

        You make your living lying to children. You “know” nothing, you “believe” in a made up story book

        • tommyboy

          What do you believe pud? Do you believe that everything needed in order for life to exist just happened by chance at the right time? How did that first cell form? And how did it maintain it’s own existence without any viable means? Please tell me what YOU “know” and not what you “believe”.

          • pud

            I do not “believe” anything. The gullible “believe” things… the rational accept certain propositions as true or not based upon evidence. All “beliefs” are equally stupid…belief in bigfoot is just as valid as belief in invisible deities.

            If you want to know how the first cell formed read some biology text books not ancient scrolls.

            Cells have means of processing energy…duh. If they didn’t you wouldn’t be here writing ignorant junk

          • tommyboy

            Lol. You didn’t answer my question. What’s the matter? Can’t quote from your text books? All beliefs are stupid eh? That counts evolution as well. It is a belief. You believe what man has told you in a book. In your logic, that can’t be any different than how a Christian believes, correct? I know cells have means of processing energy but how and where did that means come from? How did it begin. I’m talking origins here. It’s like the “which came first, the chicken or the egg” question.

          • pud

            Evolution is a FACT. It is not a “belief” Google “abiogenesis” if you want to KNOW what we KNOW about the origin of life. Rest assured a magic genie in the sky didn’t speak it into existence from nothing. LOL

    • NathansFather

      And your name calling is in the modeled behavior of Jesus Iesous Y’shua.
      Is that all you have??? Personal harassment?

      Jack predicts nothing. Scripture does.
      And he and I agree the Second Coming may or may not come in this generation or another of even greater tribulation.
      Neither of us specify time.

    • NathansFather

      I will mark and block you now as I will pray for you to stop your personal harrassment.
      Thank you for blessing Jack and most probably me next. SOK we are used to this. Great for practicing our Holy Spiritual lead chops.

  • Brian K

    The end times are upon us. Nevermind that they’ve been upon us for something like 2500 years, this time it’s FOR REAL.

    • pud

      The “lord” spoke of country music and machine guns as a sign of the end blessed be his name

    • tommyboy

      You know what other signs were mentioned? 2 Peter 3:2-4. You should read it because you fulfill it. 🙂 Thanks.

      • pud

        Wow!! An ancient book! Hurry everyone! Repent!! Jesus is coming look busy!

      • Brian K

        Pretty sure there’ve been scoffers at every end of times prophecy, and they’re batting 1.000 so far.

  • S. Nikki Nunn

    Sadly, bible does say and also mentioned in this article about the many who will not accept truth. The seeds are being planted! Others are watering; but, only Christ can open the eyes and ears of the repentant soul. As a sister in Christ of the writer of this article, Mr. Wellman, I carry this cross with him joyfully. Persecution we are versed to expect. May God get glory from all voluntarily. In Love

    • Jack Wellman

      Thank you for your encouragement my friend.

      • NathansFather

        Great poster and so positive 🙂

    • pud

      Tell us all what is true and more importantly how you know it. Exactly how you “know” it, not “believe” it…..waiting…waiting Do not quote from your make believe book either…show us how you know truth.

      • S. Nikki Nunn

        Thank you for the opportunity. Unfortunately, because you’ve taken a position in opposition to anything of truth, through faith, any response will be unsatisfactory. A repentant heart toward God is necessary to receive more than you can imagine. Blessings

        • pud

          Oh I see…you have to believe before you can be informed of the truth….like all cults. You people are sick

          • tommyboy

            You remind me of Pilate who asked, “what is truth?”
            Jesus already told us what the truth is; it is Him! “You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free”, “if the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed” John 8

          • pud

            Oh really? And what was the name of the reporter who quoted him? Oh! It’s from a story book by no name authors eh? LOL

          • tommyboy

            Most of the books of the Bible are named after who wrote them, ex: Isaiah, Nahum, Micah, etc…And by actually reading the Bible and using your brain, you can figure out who wrote the other books of the Bible.

          • pud

            Who quoted “jesus”? Oh, gee…no clue huh?

          • NathansFather

            Amen TB!

          • You need to read some modern biblical scholarship. You will find that very many of the books of the bible are not written by those whom conservative evangelicals think wrote them.

          • NathansFather

            So who do you think wrote Hebrews, John? I know.

          • An unknown author.

          • NathansFather

            Saint Barnabas. First and Second Century early Christians maintained this .
            Isn’t it like him to be an encourager but not to claim any sort of recognition?

            He and Saint Polycarp are my favorite saints to Saints. Truly humble people who encourage. I am in the mold of Saint Barnabas to the mold of true Pastors of the Word.

            Jack and Berit and my local Pastor Steve are my mentors. Such mature Christians. Please visit Berit and Andy’s site. Put this humble woman’s work totally inspired by the Holy Spirit. She gives ALL glory to GOD. She has been in the trenches since 1971. Jack and I are the same age. The year we graduated from high school. Jack was born on my mother’s birthday and myself 1 1/2 weeks after. We truly believe we were brought together by Divine Providence. Two different mothers from the same Heavenly Father. This kind of bond is such a blessing. Adopted family are the best 🙂

            I haven’t read down through all of this disqus box yet. I hope you open up as I have to describe what happened to your faith? Some event? Someone who influenced you to turn?

            Berit and Andy Kjos Ministries
            Crossroad To
            http://www.crossroad.to

            I pray for you that the Heavenly Father send you one of His Angels to lead you back home.

          • Well, some have suggested Barnabas. Others, Apollos, some Priscilla. However, the work is anonymous.

          • NathansFather

            Agreed. This is just what I have found thus far. You have mentioned some very great saints to Saints 🙂 Barnabas probably the author with of course the exegesis of The Holy Spirit. Hebrews is written with much of the same information as Paul’s Letters. Makes sense to me at least he is the author. I agree with the Early Church Fathers.

          • NathansFather

            So who do you think wrote Hebrews, John? I know.

        • Bruce Robertson

          Sister, I love that you concede that all you have is faith. The sad thing is that your faith is only in your fellow man, and it isn’t well placed. The bible and every other account you have ever experienced of your religion are all from your fellow man. You were indoctrinated by your fellow man, and then your ability to see any truth outside of your god delusion was killed off. Perhaps you could consider this and see if you have the mental strength to lift yourself out of the delusion, just one step at a time.

    • NathansFather

      Amen SNN

    • NathansFather

      John 17 tells us the cost we will pay. The last few verses are for believers today as well as those who never saw Him during His first Advent.

    • NathansFather

      Very sweet post SNN. I thank you for your kindness to my friend, brother, and mentor. Jack like my other mentor Berit are under severe spiritual warfare attacks. God sees them through. 🙂
      To GOD be the glory!

      • God doesn’t see anything through if he doesn’t exist, does he?

        • NathansFather

          John what happened to you that you turned so far away? A comparative religion course or what? A very bad experience in life? Following false teachings? Sounds like whatever really altered you. I pray you find your way back. Life is short! My last breath may be any moment as I have 10 stints. My parents only lived to their early 70s.

          I am not sure I will see them in eternity sad to say. My brother recently saw “the Light” during Hurricane Irma. Long story. He is 4 yrs my senior. Prior to it he said he didn’t want anything to do with MY Jesus or MY church… Didn’t want to hear from me but occasionally with silly banter.

          He became a believer. I had been praying and so did our congregation that his wife and he would be spared. We prayed another person(s) lead him to Jesus Iesous Y’shua. It happened! Now I know I will see Him in eternity. Whew! Thank you Father GOD!

          • Bruce Robertson

            We will all die one day. You should make sure to accept all the other gods too or you may end up in hell for eternity. Don’t take the risk. You are putting all your eggs in one risky basket my friend, it’s not worth it when you are talking about your eternal afterlife. At the very least go and see the Scientologists, the Mormans, and for gods sake get yourself along to a mosque and sort out a deal with Allah. It just makes good sense.

        • NathansFather

          John what happened to you that you turned so far away? A comparative religion course or what? A very bad experience in life? Following false teachings? Sounds like whatever really altered you. I pray you find your way back. Life is short! My last breath may be any moment as I have 10 stints. My parents only lived to their early 70s.

          I am not sure I will see them in eternity sad to say. My brother recently saw “the Light” during Hurricane Irma. Long story. He is 4 yrs my senior. Prior to it he said he didn’t want anything to do with MY Jesus or MY church… Didn’t want to hear from me but occasionally with silly banter.

          He became a believer. I had been praying and so did our congregation that his wife and he would be spared. We prayed another person(s) lead him to Jesus Iesous Y’shua. It happened! Now I know I will see Him in eternity. Whew! Thank you Father GOD!

      • God doesn’t see anything through if he doesn’t exist, does he?

    • NathansFather

      Very sweet post SNN. I thank you for your kindness to my friend, brother, and mentor. Jack like my other mentor Berit are under severe spiritual warfare attacks. God sees them through. 🙂
      To GOD be the glory!

    • Amen SNN,
      The Holy Spirit uses Living Water (perhaps others through the Holy Spirit water). I read it takes an average of 7 seed planters to get one to root. Who will be confronted by God the Father is His will be done and not ours. We can take no credit. He even supplies the faith necessary for the person in the field to be the Low Hanging Fruit. When the person’s eyes and ears are unstoppered they may turn to God the Son whose hands are always outstretched to the repentant.
      Someone here made a very important point.
      Unsaved “christians” have no Holy Spirit thus will not be saved from the fire.
      These did NOT follow Jesus. Not all people who call Jesus Lord will be accepted into the Right of the Mercy Seat.
      It is very important to make sure we keep to the fervor we once had when we were first born from above.
      It is possible to be spat out. One can commit spiritual suicide by jumping out of the protective hand of Jesus in rebellion.
      I am not a once saved always saved type because nominal “christians” were never saved in the first place. They are self-deceived.

  • Dan Ham

    So much of Christianity has been duped into focusing upon terror and destruction by misunderstanding the Bible and the nature of God in Christ. (Duped by you know who) Let’s grow up out of these fears, lies and misconceptions about the last days and let’s shine the light of His ability to transform people of faith to shine the beautiful light of his goodness in the earth in such a powerful way that all nations will be drawn to him!!

    Jesus is not coming to rescue us because he already has! He’s waiting for his body in the earth, the church, to do what we’ve been commissioned and destined to do! When we live in this powerful hope it becomes the most beautiful day ever to be alive in the earth!

    • pud

      barf

      • Dan Ham

        Mr pud, I’m sorry for whatever was done against you in the name of religion. There are a lot of of mixed up believers out there, I was one of them. God does not control or manipulate anyone…period. That’s just another lie that the religion of man has produced. I know it means nothing for you for me to say I will pray for you, it might even make you more disgusted, but I will anyway because you are greatly loved and valued by God and by me. Sometimes I think deep inside of everyone including atheists is a hope or a wish that there really is a God who is really good, but so much of what they have seen in religion, in their own lives, and throughout history has been the opposite of good. But a new day is dawning and the lies about God are coming down. He is in love with you! Always has and always will! I hope someday you will see the possibility that he exist in a completely different reality than the one that you have painted, or not painted. He does not take away those we love, he is not picking and choosing those who should live in those who die, I promise you! Because that’s not what love is, and God is love. I know this because I experience his love every day. You have not been where I am or you would see what I see. Either way, I wish you peace!

        • pud

          Nothing was “done to me” and you’re still quite mixed up.

          I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near where you are or see anything your messed up brain sees

    • NathansFather

      Part 1

      [Edited, no longer applies. Dan made his position clear He does indeed know the OT GOD the Son. Apostates do not. Jesus actually put higher standards on his followers than even the Old Testament 10 commandments. Many abandoned Him then when they were convicted of their sins. What me need repenting? I’m are really good person!

      People conveniently skip the qualifier words of IF, THEN. The word “obey” skips their notice. It’s zippity dooo dahhh I will do what I like and make the god I want rather that meany in Scripture.]

      ——————————-

      Back to the apostates.

      Unfortunately you have excluded Jesus Iesous Y’shua in the OT as GOD.
      He indeed visited as Melchizedek, the Angel of GOD in the burning bush, and of course Genesis as a part of the Creator GOD Three in One.

      Then He was referred to by King David as The Lord of My Lord. To apostates,,,
      Jesus in the New Testament to make Him a warm and fuzzy non-god is a dangerous err. He is indeed the GOD of the Old Testament that the Prophets revealed. Look at Isaiah for example.

      Jesus said to the Sanhedrin if you did not believe the prophets who testified of me what makes you think you will believe me? (paraphrasing).
      Do you honestly think the Sanhedrin went to Heaven?
      Seriously?

      You haven’t seen the spew evidently of PUD who has been harassing Jack it seems for years and years.

      Can PUD be saved? Only GOD the Father knows.
      It sure will take one huge GOD the Father’s transcendent confrontation.

      I say this as a rebellious one at about age 50 GOD’s hammer came down on my dead head big time. I was one LOST Sheep in self-delusion. I thought I was a Christian when indeed I was not. I was not born from above previously to the whack.

      Thank you for praying for he/she/it.
      So many of us have.
      He/she/it will come after you just like he/she/it has us.
      Get ready…

      He/she/it is always wanting proof GOD exists. We even post the statistics of over a quadrillion to one that Jesus did not fulfill all OT Prophecy. So many times and he/she/it refuses to even read what we post to go and read.

      There is a limit to all the “blessing” he/she/it as a time waster.
      We really have other things to do like doing the works of the Holy Spirit.

    • NathansFather

      [Edited[ See remarks here; Research Berean > Dan Ham • 12 hours ago
      [Part 1]
      The below does not apply to you but to an apostate]

      Part 2

      Shalom.

      For the apostates get to a Biblical Teaching Church versus a warm and
      fuzzy post modern one. You are being deceived by a wolf in sheep’s
      clothing.

      I will pray for all apostates that you escape he/she’s grasp. I say that out of Christian love for you.

      A search from one of the most outstanding apologist watchman on the wall
      since 1971. She is well regarded in the field of apology. Jack and I are
      privileged to know this humble sweet granny with a punch. She is a dear
      sister, friend, and mentor to us both. She indeed is gifted with the
      bravery in the pattern of Queen Esther. She is one of the few that can see glimpses on the other side of the veil yet firmly and humanly humble.

      Kjos Ministries, Crossroad To
      Berit and Andy Kjos, watchmen on the wall
      http://www.crossroad.to
      http://www.crossroad.to/search_files/search.php?zoom_sort=0&zoom_query=post+modern+biblical&zoom_per_page=100&zoom_and=1

      Modern versus Postmodern Culture
      http://www.crossroad.to/charts/postmodernity-2.htm
      Biblical versus Postmodern Thinking
      http://www.crossroad.to/charts/postmodernity.htm

      The Postmodern Church
      The Changing Church
      New Theology and the New Age Movement
      Postmodern Views & Churches
      Resisting today’s postmodern transformation

      • Dan Ham

        Sorry Research Berean, but I don’t understand what your comment has to do with what I posted? You’re reading a lot stuff into what I never said? I don’t have time to write an essay but of course I believe Jesus was in the OT. As for the grasp of the one who has hold of my heart and mind, that would be Holy Spirit, we got a thing going on, we’re in love ❤️ And knowing Him who is love is what eternal life is all about. Knowing God is how we become transformed into our true created value which is love. It’s not that fuzzy warm feeling of love that you think I am exhibiting but a love that empowers me, us, with the privilege of being invited to receive the divine nature in Christ so we can become like Him. This does not happen through fear-based teachings that try and manipulate people to obey his commands no matter how sincere they may be.

        And what is his divine nature? And who is God? John says He is love.
        Don’t let those who have abused love and it’s true meaning deceive you. They say things like, yes God is love “but” he is also……
        Some of these attributes may be true but encountering and experiencing his love through knowing him is the only way to fully understand them. Love is the foundation of everything that God is, without clearly seeing this, we build on the wrong foundations and we therefore teach through a knowledge based on our own twisted perspective of the nature of God. And that is part of the reason there are so many who reject God. I believe what they are rejecting is a twisted version of Him. If we get out the spots and wrinkles, he becomes irresistible! Yes, some will still choose to reject him but nothing like we see now.

        As for our friend pud, in prayer I saw God’s unrelentless love pursuing him, not to cause him to crash and burn in order to turn but to embrace him where he is with unquenchable love and joy and peace.

        Peace to you!

        • NathansFather

          [Part 1]

          Great post, good to know more about your theology. Now we understand you better. Shalom to you also!

          My guiding theology is very simple:
          1. Love GOD
          2. Love others
          3. self last.

          You will find poor PUD will need a divine intervention that none of us here can manage to affect. We have tried! OH how we have tried!

          You aren’t familiar with this pitiful black soul as we are. What we always pray for this person who is inhabited by demon(s) is that God the Father confront it/them inside this individual.

          Watch as this all proceeds you will understand. Reacting to demon(s) only causes it/them to be fueled further. The best for this infested person we can do is unfortunately to ignore the demon(s) inside him/her. Ignoring by blocking the demon(s) PUD identity we have learned is the best way to handle this. We are instructed NOT to engage demons in conversation. I block the demon(s) so I do not even have to gaze upon its/them filth.

          Ignore the hate-filled comments of this demonic spew and continue praying for the individual who only identifies himself/herself/it as PUD. Read the definition of PUD. It is ugly! It means D|ck. Go to the link I provided for the definition and also read up on the link I posted about demons from Bible Study Tools.

          [See Part 2 Prayer]

          • Dan Ham

            I don’t debate people, that includes Christians or Pud, or anyone.
            But I know Holy Spirit showed me who Pud is, and he is loved by God beyond his wildest dreams (good dreams that is) Maybe we should strive to focus upon the true identity of others that “appear” evil to us but are not evil with God because he is love, and love never fails to love. Jesus took off of us everything and every lie we have believed about ourselves, he knows who we really are. We were “all” created to be just like him! And there is nothing more beautiful and more satisfying that brings more freedom and joy than that!! Oh how he loves me! Oh how he loves you and me, and Pud!

            Grace and peace to you!

          • NathansFather

            [Part 1]

            See my prayer for this pitiful soul.

            Yes, God loves the individual that identifies him/her as PUD.

            GOD HATES the DEMON(S) inside of him/her. Understand this principle. I fear you cannot understand the separation of a person from evil entity(ies) invading them. GOD directs us to HATE EVIL.

            We have nothing but pity for this VERY lost soul. It will take GOD the FATHER to reach him/her to banish the EVIL demon(s) inside his/her heart and mind.

            Shalom to you.

            I highly suggest you learn more about the force of demons.
            Do not engage them.

            Romans 8 ESV – Bible Gateway, use gear for cross references.
            https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8&version=ESV

            [See Part 2]

          • NathansFather

            [Part 2] Romans 8

            God’s Everlasting Love

            31 What then shall we say to these things? (BI)If God is for us, who can be[i] against us? 32 (BJ)He who did not spare his own Son but (BK)gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? (BL)It is God who justifies. 34 (BM)Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—(BN)who is at the right hand of God, (BO)who indeed is interceding for us.[j] 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written,(BP)“For your sake (BQ)we are being killed all the day long;
            we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

            37 No, in all these things we are more than (BR)conquerors through (BS)him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

            [See Part 3 for Cross References]

          • NathansFather

            [Part 3 – Cross References]

            Romans 8:31 : Num. 14:9; 2 Kgs. 6:16; Ps. 118:6; 1 John 4:4
            Romans 8:32 : John 3:16
            Romans 8:32 : See ch. 4:25
            Romans 8:33 : Isa. 50:8, 9; [Rev. 12:10, 11]
            Romans 8:34 : ver. 1
            Romans 8:34 : See Mark 16:19
            Romans 8:34 : Heb. 7:25; 1 John 2:1; [ver. 27]
            Romans 8:36 : Cited from Ps. 44:22
            Romans 8:36 : 1 Cor. 4:9; 15:30, 31; 2 Cor. 4:10, 11; See Acts 20:24
            Romans 8:37 : 1 Cor. 15:57; See John 16:33
            Romans 8:37 : Gal. 2:20; Eph. 5:2; Rev. 1:5; 3:9

            [See Part 4 for John Gill’s commentary on Romans 8]

          • NathansFather

            [Part 4 Commentary of Romans 8]

            Go see the whole of John Gill’s comments on Romans 8 all verses please.

            John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible
            http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/romans-8/

            Introduction
            http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/romans-8-introduction.html

            As Pastor Jack always signs his personal email to me:

            Soli Deo Gloria (Glory to God Alone)
            Jack Wellman
            Pastor & Sinner, Saved by Grace
            Telling Ministries Talking Truth Through Technology
            https://tellingministries.org/

            I hope you sign up for his devotionals on the Website pulldown menu. He has been my brother, friend, and mentor of trust and delight for several years now. My spouse and I admire his humble, sweet, and Holy Spirited directed life.

            (No debate, just giving context)
            Keep walking. Learn everyday.
            Jack and other mentors have taught me so much.
            The flow of the Holy Spirit goes on to guide me daily as I read The Word.

            Shalom!

          • NathansFather

            Grace and peace also to you Dan.

        • NathansFather

          [ Edited the below Part 2 Prayer does not apply to you.
          Research Berean > Dan Ham • 12 hours ago

          [Part 1]
          Great post, good to know more about your theology. Now we understand you better. Shalom to you also!

          My guiding theology is very simple:
          1. Love GOD
          2. Love others
          3. self last.

          [Part 2 – Prayer]

          Praying: to Father GOD, I AM.

          Dear Father GOD, we know with You all things are possible. We praise your Holy Name of I AM!

          We lift this individual [PUD] up to you who will not identify himself/herself. We recognize only You can reach him/her. The forces controlling him/her as “it” are so virulently malevolent we realize that only a Divine Supernatural Intervention from You alone can reach him/her.

          You have directed us NOT to engage in conversation with demons. We understand why as Your Son explained this directive to us.

          Thank you Father. In the Name of Your Son, Jesus Iesous Y’shua,
          I AM. Amen.

          Romans 8; John 17; Mark

        • NathansFather

          Peace also to you Dan.

        • Well, if God exists then he/she/it is likely to be the power of love :compassion, healing mercy and loving kindness. Except that I don’t think that when we look at what happens in the world that such a God exists. He is certainly not the god of violence that we see in many parts of the bible.

          May more Christians, like yourself, view God as a God of compassion. Love has wonderful qualities that heal human relationships.

          • Dan Ham

            Thank you for those kind words John! I hope your journeys lead you into the spacious freedom of the love in Jesus that I have known.

      • Nicole Hufnagel

        Jesus is for sure coming and it’s quicker than you know. In revelations we’re told that the hidden manna will be revealed. Want to know what that is?! Hemp, ladies and gentlemen. Don’t you find it a bit odd that in the midst of all of this chaos there’s been one plant making a miraculous comeback. A plant that can literally make the lame talk and the blind see. It’s what Jesus used to heal the sick and they even placed it in his hand before he was crucified. It’s what fed the Israelites in the wilderness and it’s the sweet smelling incense that God loves so much. It is what the anointing oil is made of, the tree of life, the “fruits” were to sacrifice to him. Jesus is real, God is real and if you haven’t felt the Holy Spirit I pity you. The Bible and it’s stories are real and WE are in trouble because we’ve changed the words of God and done whatever the hell we’ve wanted to for far too long. God speed my sisters and brothers.

        • Hemp? You are reading this into the book of revelation. I know of no reputable exegete that suggests that “hidden manna” is hemp.

          • Nicole Hufnagel

            Manna is Bdellium in Hebrew. Look at an image of Bdellium and hash….identical. Similar to a coriander seed…. look at hemp and coriander seeds. Hoarfrost, the crystals on the plant

          • NathansFather

            I thought manna meant in Hebrew… “what is it?”
            WOW Nicole I need to check this out.

            Meanwhile I got this verse today from Bible Study Tools.

            GOD wants our love and not a smell of burnt offerings.
            Think that means Bdellium too?

            Love GOD
            Love others
            Self last

            ESV Verse of the Day
            October 7

            Hosea 6:6

            6 For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

            As Jack signs his email.

            Soli Deo Gloria (Glory to God Alone)

          • NathansFather

            I thought manna meant in Hebrew… “what is it?”
            WOW Nicole I need to check this out.

            Meanwhile I got this verse today from Bible Study Tools.

            GOD wants our love and not a smell of burnt offerings.
            Think that means Bdellium too?

            Love GOD
            Love others
            Self last

            ESV Verse of the Day
            October 7

            Hosea 6:6

            6 For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

            As Jack signs his email.

            Soli Deo Gloria (Glory to God Alone)

        • NathansFather

          >> God speed my sisters and brothers.<<

        • NathansFather

          >> God speed my sisters and brothers.<<

  • Maltnothops

    About 100 years ago 1.5 million Armenians were systematically rounded up and killed by the Ottoman Empire. The 59 in Las Vegas seems like a blip in comparison but our genial host regards it as more telling. I find that quite singular.

  • There have been far more violent times than exist today. The first and second world wars, the inquisition, the 100 years war between Protestants and Catholics after the Reformation, the Napoleonic wars etc. So what makes you think that Jesus is coming back again soon? It can’t be increased violence, since the violence is less than in many times in the past and Jesus did not show up.

    There have always been Christians in every age that thought that Jesus was coming back in power and glory and that ‘the signs of the times’ pointed to his soon return (in their lifetime) but Jesus has not shown up. Stop using the bible like a crystal ball! I know you did not predict the date (as some have done), but you seem to be certain that these days are like the days of Noah, There have been far more violent times on the earth than today.

    • Thomas Maher

      Over 1.3 billion babies murdered by abortion since 1973 which is far more than all of the deaths due to all the wars in recorded history. What are you talking about? The abortion mentality is the epitome of violence and that devaluing of human life to a commodity of convenience is at the heart of why someone would murder fellow classmates. It took a generation or two to precondition the German people by the philosophy of Heidegger, Heigel and Neitzche to have allowed the Holocaust to happen, and we seem not to learn. The evil and bigotry just changes labels! Only God and His Anointed One Jesus Christ can save us!!!
      AMEN!

  • Donalbain

    So, the world might end in the USA, but not in Australia who managed to pass sensible gun laws and eradicated these acts of mass murder? That will be an interesting thing to watch.

    • NathansFather

      Sorry but I must mark and block you too for your “interest” in watching the world end as we know it today for those you claim to represent?

      Some day certain this will happen as the Truth states. When?
      Only the Father knows.
      This generation? The next? etc.?

      But we of the Way will either be a part of the Great Cloud of Witnesses or the remnant left on the earth who persevere until The Second Coming when indeed all justice will be served.

      • pud

        You’re psychotic…you should seek qualified medical help asap

  • pud
  • Bryan Elliott

    No. How absurd.

  • NathansFather

    Part 1 Something to consider dear Jack, we read THE antichrist comes first.

    Has he been cast down yet appearing as a human?
    We simply do not know.
    He has not been revealed yet.
    Or will he come after 2030 according to the United Nations Agenda 2030’s one government plan?
    Or will he be revealed several generations from now?
    We simply do not know.

    We are assured however by Jesus Iesous Y’shua his reign of terror has been cut short for the sake of the saints.

    That gives me great cheer!

    • pud

      Seek qualified mental health care now!

  • NathansFather

    Part 2

    Maybe you and I will be taken on home in glory land before this event?
    Should I still be here you and I will be persecuted – John 17.

    In which case I will be seeing The Alpha and Omega coming in the clouds with the Great Cloud of Witnesses from this earthly plain.

    The Day of the Lord will be awesome. ALL knees will bow. His just government will be on earth. Be ready in season and without.

    Your point is be ready NOW.

    NOW is the time for our salvation if we have not turned to Him now. We pray we will reach those low hanging fruit in the field prepared by God the Father. We simply do not know if we reach this fruit or do not succeed and someone else will. Or God the Father personally confront an individual with His Supernatural miracle.

    Jack you have a very spiritual warfare fraught assignment given the posters comments today as just one example. You wear your Holy Spiritual gift well from GOD.

    May GOD bless you richly!
    Glory to GOD alone!

  • Tim Cooper

    *sigh*

    EDIT: If the Mad Blood God of the Desert is going to end the world, he’d best get on with it before we, assuming all is lost either due to unrestricted atomic warfare, anthropogenic climate change, or some other disaster, beat him to the punch.

    • 0pus

      Dork, wearing a hat just emphasizes that you are old and bald.
      Instead of a hat, use a big paper bag.

      • Tim Cooper

        You forgot to mention how I have a butt that smells like my face, which smells like it looks like, which is a butt, that smells. Like a butt.

  • tommyboy

    I wish to explain further on what the days of Noah meant. You got it right so far. During the days of Noah there was complacency, just as we see today. No doubt Noah warned others about what was coming, but because they didn’t believe, they mocked him and continued on with their lives as if nothing was going to happen. Just read the comments below! It’s just like that today! People went about their own lives while the violence continued on. They didn’t heed the warnings about the coming destruction.

    Jesus also said it would be like the days of Lot. Just like the days of Noah, there will be complacency. Every one will be going about their merry little lives ignoring what is about to come upon them. And what was going on in the days of Lot that brought about fire from heaven? Homosexuality. We see sexual immorality out of control these days but everybody going about like it’s no big deal. We even have those calling themselves Christian who are engaging in such acts! What an abomination!

    Another sign: 2 Peter 3:3, 4

    “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”

    So yes, the fig tree is clearly putting forth it’s leaves. Violence and homosexuality coupled with complacency and scoffing are very real signs. And not to mention all the signs concerning the coming New World Order. That’s what makes this generation so unique. Those other signs for the coming one world government, one world economy and one world religion are here now!

    “Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.” Mark 13:36,37

    • NathansFather

      Great post. Thank you very much.

      • pud

        No it isn’t…it’s mindless made up story book gibberish

    • Isn’t the story of Sodom and Gomorrah more about planned homosexual rape, not about homosexuality in general. Isn’t it about the planned abuse of power? Isn’t it also about neglecting the poor and the needy? It’s not about same-sex oriented people having the right to marry. The modern belief about equality of marriage rights is not about violence, but the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is.

      • Monty

        The judgement on Sodom was for a number of things including refusing to help the less fortunate. The attempted rape of the angels was the icing on the cake. While I don’t necessarily agree that the sin of Sodom was only homosexuality, it is plain from God’s word that homosexual relationships are just plain wrong. It is the ultimate rebellion against God, who made us male and female. God ordained the union of man and woman in the very beginning, before the fall. Homosexuality is expressly forbidden in the OT on pain of death, as is adultery. In the New Testament homosexuality is one of the sins that disqualifies the individual from entering the kingdom of God. God forgives sin if we repent, which means to turn away from it. While people refuse to accept God’s judgement they will not be forgiven. It is no surprise to me that Islam is flooding into the Western world. Islam will not tolerate homosexuality or adultery. Women will not be able to dress as they please under Islam. I’ve seen insane demonstrations, “Queers against Islamophobia”. Someone should tell these people that Islam is their worst nightmare!

        • NathansFather

          WOW Monty… Love your posts! Great too to get the read from a person not in the USA. Especially an Aussie. 🙂

    • NathansFather

      Great post!

      See what my mentor has written…

      The Unseen Foe Behind Rising Evil
      http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/011/1-warfare.htm

      The Foe We Prefer to Ignore
      http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/011/1-spiritual-war.htm

      Berit and Andy Kjos are watchmen on the wall.
      Kjos Ministries, Crossroad To
      http://www.crossroad.to/

      See the daily news selections
      http://www.crossroad.to/News/1-today.htm

      My very favorite page of her thousands of articles and links is this,,,, take heart!
      This humble sweet granny pushing 80 is the bravest person I have ever met.
      She surely will be doubly blessed.

      http://www.crossroad.to/Victory/names/tower.htm

      My High Tower: Seeing the World from His perspective
      “The Lord is… my High Tower and my Refuge.” 2 Samuel 22:2

    • NathansFather

      Great post!

      See what my mentor has written…

      The Unseen Foe Behind Rising Evil
      http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/011/1-warfare.htm

      The Foe We Prefer to Ignore
      http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/011/1-spiritual-war.htm

      Berit and Andy Kjos are watchmen on the wall.
      Kjos Ministries, Crossroad To
      http://www.crossroad.to/

      See the daily news selections
      http://www.crossroad.to/News/1-today.htm

      My very favorite page of her thousands of articles and links is this,,,, take heart!
      This humble sweet granny pushing 80 is the bravest person I have ever met.
      She surely will be doubly blessed.

      http://www.crossroad.to/Victory/names/tower.htm

      My High Tower: Seeing the World from His perspective
      “The Lord is… my High Tower and my Refuge.” 2 Samuel 22:2

  • bex

    No, you are just being silly.

  • Robert Landbeck

    “There is nothing that prevents Jesus’ return today, so at any instant, as far as we know, He could return.” Or he could already be here? It depends upon what expectations one has for that event. Knowing what happened that last time, he may not be so hasty as to reveal himself until the Father offers a ‘sign’ that he is upon the earth. And then the question of whether or not he will affirm existing faith traditions or will his coming be to correct our understanding of the Father with a new revelation of God’s final will? Why would “all the tribes of the earth will mourn” unless they were found to be in error in their theologies? As for Satan, that personification of evil, the arch deceiver, must already exist in the world teaching a counterfeit Word, and yet to be exposed by Christ. But we have little understanding of who ‘they’, the anti-Christs are that will seek to deny and even try to destroy the person of Christ until he confronts them.

    Yet there is one suggestion from the NHL/Gnostic Gospels: the paraphrase of of Shem: “For when the appointed days of the demon, he who will baptize erringly, draw near; then I [Yahweh] shall appear in the baptism of the demon to reveal with the mouth of faith a testimony [of truth] to those who belong to her [wisdom].

    Battle lines appear to be taking definition. Will Christ reveal himself by ‘putting the whole of the world in the wrong.’ Maybe Dante had a insight in his Divine Comedy:

    For as I turned, there greeted mine likewise
    What all behold who contemplate aright,
    That’s Heaven’s revolution through the skies.

    • pud

      LOL…get help

      • Robert Landbeck

        You heard it here first!

        • NathansFather

          Part 1

          Need to post here Robert as PUD is blocked on my screen. I need to borrow this window please.
          ———————————–

          HA! Too bad I can’t see what the demon(s) said this time… SOK… actually it’s good I can’t. Poor dear demented inhabited human PUD. “it” demon(s) continue to speak through his/her fingers.

          PUD (the human) we are praying for a Heavenly Divine Intervention for you with the hammer blow on the head so many of us had to get from God the Father to WAKE UP STOOOPID I AM TALKING TO YOU!

          Took me until early 50s to get my whack that was UNMISTAKABLE. Literally knocks next to me on the doorfacing next to me. And no visible person was there. IMMEDIATELY I went prone on the concrete begging for forgiveness. And I thought (self-deluded) I was a Christian. NOT. I was not born from above a lousy apostate was I!

          [Part 2 more testimony]

        • NathansFather

          Part 2 Continuing testimony – Knock, knock, knock
          Who is it???

          Took me to 3AM to digest this.
          I ran across the street to my neighbor’s house and she opened the door. I ran to JESUS Iesous Y’shua!
          Now just how many people do you know would open their door to a very upset neighbor? Few if any.
          PRAISE GOD she did!
          We were up together until daybreak for me to come to complete repentance through this unforgettable supernatural experience.
          My life has NEVER been the same since.

          So the human he/she we pray that the Father comes to you also. Those demon(s) just don’t want to let you go. We pray IF it is GOD the Father’s will a confrontation will come soon to your very dark soul.

          For…. He who is inside us [I AM, HOLY SPIRIT] is stronger than he who is in the world.

          Thank you Jesus Iesous Y’shua you own me!

          • pud

            You are psychotic

          • He’s a Berean lunatic!

    • pud

      Nothing except the fact that no such entity exists outside of your delusional heads and there’s no such mythical place to return from! LOL

    • NathansFather

      Part 1

      I need to digest this one… hmmm…. deep pool here fer sur….
      THE Antichrist could be here but not yet revealed ???
      Dunno!
      OR it may take several generations before he is booted down here on earth to appear as human???
      Dunno!
      Keep watching people!
      We are to be watchmen on the wall.
      The patient elect will wait for the answers to become abundantly clear when the Alpha and Omega comes.

      Remember this and so hard for us to do to reach an agape love state… patience is not one of my human strong suites but the Holy Spirit is leading each day to have sweeter fruits of patience. One baby step at a time. One day at a time.

      [See Part 2]

    • NathansFather

      Part 2 begin your Berean study of Scripture

      Bible search results from Bible Gateway (ESV) good for cross references
      https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=love+is+patient&qs_version=ESV
      1 Bible results for “love is patient.” Showing results 1-1.
      Book of Isaiah
      Suggested result
      1 Corinthians 13 [Full Chapter]

      [ The Way of Love ] If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. …

      1 Corinthians 13:4
      Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant…
      In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
      Full Chapter use gear draw down check cross references
      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians+13&version=ESV

    • NathansFather

      Part 3

      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians+13&version=ESV

      1 Corinthians 13 English Standard Version (ESV)

      The Way of Love

      13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have (A)prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, (B)so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 (C)If I give away all I have, and (D)if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.

      4 (E)Love is patient and (F)kind; love (G)does not envy or boast; it (H)is not arrogant 5 or rude. It (I)does not insist on its own way; it (J)is not irritable or resentful;[b] 6 it (K)does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but (L)rejoices with the truth. 7 (M)Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, (N)endures all things.

      8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For (O)we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but (P)when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For (Q)now we see in a mirror dimly, but (R)then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as (S)I have been fully known.

      13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

      [See Part 4 Cross References]

    • NathansFather

      Part 4 1 Corinthians 13 ESV Bible Gateway
      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians+13&version=ESV

      Footnotes:
      1 Corinthians 13:3 Some manuscripts deliver up my body [to death] that I may boast
      1 Corinthians 13:5 Greek irritable and does not count up wrongdoing
      Cross references:
      1 Corinthians 13:2 : [ch. 14:1, 39; Matt. 7:22]; See Acts 2:18
      1 Corinthians 13:2 : Matt. 17:20; Mark 11:23; [Luke 17:6]
      1 Corinthians 13:3 : [Matt. 6:2]
      1 Corinthians 13:3 : Dan. 3:28
      1 Corinthians 13:4 : [Prov. 10:12; 17:9; 1 Thess. 5:14; 2 Tim. 2:10; 1 Pet. 4:8]
      1 Corinthians 13:4 : [2 Cor. 6:6; Gal. 5:22; Eph. 4:32; Col. 3:12]
      1 Corinthians 13:4 : Acts 7:9
      1 Corinthians 13:4 : See ch. 4:6
      1 Corinthians 13:5 : See ch. 10:24
      1 Corinthians 13:5 : [Rom. 4:6; 2 Cor. 5:19]
      1 Corinthians 13:6 : [Rom. 1:32; 2 Thess. 2:12]
      1 Corinthians 13:6 : [2 John 4; 3 John 3, 4]
      1 Corinthians 13:7 : ch. 9:12
      1 Corinthians 13:7 : [See ver. 4 above]; [Prov. 10:12; 17:9; 1 Thess. 5:14; 2 Tim. 2:10; 1 Pet. 4:8]
      1 Corinthians 13:9 : [ch. 8:2]
      1 Corinthians 13:10 : [John 15:15]
      1 Corinthians 13:12 : James 1:23; [Num. 12:8; Job 36:26; 2 Cor. 3:18; 5:7]
      1 Corinthians 13:12 : 1 John 3:2; See Matt. 5:8
      1 Corinthians 13:12 : See ch. 8:3

      [Part 5 John Gill Bible Exposition of 1 Corinthians 13]

    • NathansFather
  • pud

    Simple jack…Go read “Better angels of our nature” Proves what a dolt you are, what a willful liar and fraud who uses deception and falsehoods to promote your cults agenda….READ IT!

    Pinker presents a large amount of data (and statistical analysis thereof) that, he argues, demonstrate that violence has been in decline over millennia and that the present is probably the most peaceful time in the history of the human species. The decline in violence, he argues, is enormous in magnitude, visible on both long and short time scales, and found in many domains, including military conflict, homicide, genocide, torture, criminal justice, and treatment of children, homosexuals, animals and racial and ethnic minorities. He stresses that “The decline, to be sure, has not been smooth; it has not brought violence down to zero; and it is not guaranteed to continue.”[4]

    Pinker argues that the radical declines in violent behavior that he documents do not result from major changes in human biology or cognition. He specifically rejects the view that humans are necessarily violent, and thus have to undergo radical change in order to become more peaceable. However, Pinker also rejects what he regards as the simplistic nature versus nurture argument, which would imply that the radical change must therefore have come purely from external (“nurture”) sources. Instead, he argues: “The way to explain the decline of violence is to identify the changes in our cultural and material milieu that have given our peaceable motives the upper hand.”[4]

    Pinker identifies five “historical forces” that have favored “our peaceable motives” and “have driven the multiple declines in violence.”[3] They are:

    The Leviathan – the rise of the modern nation-state and judiciary “with a monopoly on the legitimate use of force,” which “can defuse the [individual] temptation of exploitative attack, inhibit the impulse for revenge, and circumvent … self-serving biases.”
    Commerce – the rise of “technological progress [allowing] the exchange of goods and services over longer distances and larger groups of trading partners,” so that “other people become more valuable alive than dead” and “are less likely to become targets of demonization and dehumanization.”
    Feminization – increasing respect for “the interests and values of women.”
    Cosmopolitanism – the rise of forces such as literacy, mobility, and mass media, which “can prompt people to take the perspectives of people unlike themselves and to expand their circle of sympathy to embrace them.”
    The Escalator of Reason – an “intensifying application of knowledge and rationality to human affairs,” which “can force people to recognize the futility of cycles of violence, to ramp down the privileging of their own interests over others’, and to reframe violence as a problem to be solved rather than a contest to be won.”[3]:xxvi

  • NathansFather

    You know Jack it just occurred to me… all this guessing when the Alpha and Omega returns is beyond all of us to answer. Therefore we are all whistlin’ Dixie out of our…. (you know).

    I am anxious to attend my Pastor Steve’s Revelation Bible Study starting very soon. I’ve never had this level of context before. MY JOB is to keep my mouth shut (boy will that take some help) and LISTEN. Fortunately my newly installed elder will be by my side and I have given my beloved permission to gently nudge me if I should open my big fat mouth.

    Listen, we have all neglected to PRAY for the victims and their families of this largest mass murder shooting in all of our country’s history. Isn’t that what we all should be about loving our brothers and sisters first?

    So dear Jack, you are our bestest prayer warrior. Would you please lead us in prayer for them? I am a rookie as you know to this prayer warrior assignment.

    Much LOVE to all out there who have participated in this our bestest ever Christian Crier discussion yet… but tomorrow is another day… there will be even better days to learn more in the future together.

    • pud

      Yeah…pray your brains out for the victims…LOL Where was gentle jesus meek and mild as they were getting mowed down? Oh! all part of the divine plan! hahahhaha! You need meds and serious mental health services! FAST!

  • NathansFather

    UH OH looks like we have another PUD on our hands 🙁
    PUD Heavy and PUD Light. Good thing I blocked both.
    All they can do is personally harass and call names.
    They are only hurting themselves.
    So be it.
    Pray for the demonically oppressed by turning them over to Father God’s attention in the Name of the Son.

    • pud

      coward. lunatic. psychotic

  • Von Huxley

    Mass shootings during ancient times. Seems legit. These days, anything with a pattern like this indicates end times. Continuous strands of “end of times” prophecies fail again and again. Yet dumb religious people continue to cry this out. The Bible doesn’t not tell our future. Take it like an ancient textbook, because it is.

  • Godisgood77

    I think fear mongering and speculation of the end time are not only false, but harmful.

  • James the Mad

    Only in America can we convince ourselves that a handful of shootings in a small corner of the world the ancients knew nothing about would signal the imminent return of Christ. The world has seen far worse over the centuries since Christ walked the earth, and we’re still here.

    For that matter, if we’re going to point at signs why not the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami, which killed an estimated 230,000 people? Or does that not count, since those killed weren’t Americans, weren’t white Christians?

    Or if we’re going to go for shootings, what about Wounded Knee, where over 150 were killed? Or the repeated lynchings and mob violence against Blacks in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, including something like 250 killed in 1921 in the Tulsa Race Riot and the destruction of Black Wall Street? Or do those not count either, because again they weren’t white Christians being killed?

    Sorry, but even the suggestion that a few shootings in our little corner of the world are signs of the end, even those as horrific as Sandy Hook, Orlando and Las Vegas have been, is nothing but utter arrogance.

  • If “time is short” as the author here has stated then shouldn’t we be trying to understand where gun violence is coming from and try to diminish or stop it? Are we simply to write it off as a result of “increasing lawlessness” and concentrate on evangelism? Putting aside the “end-of-the-world-because-everything-is-falling apart-scenario,” do Christians have a responsibility to resist evil? If we know who benefits and enables these acts of terror and mayhem, should we not hold them accountable, legally and morally?

    I know this is a concept difficult for conservatives to understand, but the gun lobby has a conflict of interest. Mass shootings have a direct influence on the bottom line of the gun manufacturers who employ lobbyists to influence congress to pass ever more lenient gun laws. It is quite circular in its effect and a brilliant business model. Removing restrictions to civilians purchasing military grade weaponry, weapons that are expressly designed to kill other humans, has the effect of also enabling “lone wolf” citizens to easily purchase these weapons as well. As they can pass background checks, the gun shop owners and the NRA can claim they had no way of knowing, thus absolving themselves from culpability. In turn, the terror that these lone wolfs cause increases gun sales and the bottom line for gun manufacturers and gun shops. (1)

    While I understand that evangelical organizations have done much practical good here and abroad, tackling the gun industry seems to be a taboo. As Christians are we to be supporting the proliferation of guns, especially assault weaponry, or should we be seeking ways to decrease mass mayhem? While I support the right to own firearms, whether it be for hunting or personal protection I think the gun lobby’s interest leans more in the direction of financial gain than any real concern for our safety.

    1 http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/03/news/gun-sales-las-vegas/index.html

    • NathansFather

      Most of us ignore what the communist news network has to say.
      They are funded by George Soros et. al illuminati.
      There is always the “slippery slope” argument.
      But I do agree that rapid fire alteration of a semi-automatic is far and above “overkill” (not being funny).

      • Communist news network? Do you mean the Beijing Peoples Daily?

        • NathansFather

          HA Ha ha! I see we have some agreement here. CNN and CBS – communist broadcasting system – etc (yes even Fox and now I have discovered Breitbart) are illuminati globalist. 🙁 Bannon is working with king Heinz Henry Kissinger of the Bilderberg. I totally divorced myself from BB now that Bannon actually exposed this association. Lots of Christians left then also.

          • Illuminati?

            Not sure members of any existing Communist parties are part of the so-called Illuminati, or what percentage.

            Communists believe in the centralisation of the dominant means of production in the hands of the state and in central planning as the dominant method of resource allocation. Central planning was a massive failure and attempts to introduce more reliance on markets, within the context of central planning, was not able to produce a rational allocation of resources in the old Soviet Union and its Eastern European satellites.

            The centralisation of the means of production in the hands of the state was also a massive failure in the old Soviet Union and its East European satellites .

            Democratic centralism led to totalitarian government and eventually the East European satellites rebelled.

            Why do you say that CNN and CBS are the” communist broadcasting system”?

          • NathansFather

            You probably don’t know about the devil seed families considering you do not acknowledge there is indeed an evil entity and his dominion. Can you agree at least communists are evil as in malevolent towards people?

          • Communist leaders were caught up in an evil system. Many of the ordinary members of the Communist parties were probably not evil, though some probably were. Many of these leaders were under the influence of evil.

            By some estimates, Communist leadership had about 100 million people put to death. This is evil.

          • NathansFather

            Hitler was indeed a follower of satan. He followed that sort of sorcery. We have some very evil people today that all but rival him. 2 in the USA for sure.

          • What did Hitler have to do with Communism? He wasn’t a Communist. He was a right wing National Socialist. The only thing that he had in common with Communism was totalitarianism.

          • NathansFather

            Uh oh I have to bust this one up
            Part 1

            Weelllll yes and no. Hitler and Stalin were fast buddies even into the start of WWII. Both big into the occult.

            Stalin eventually (supposidly) joined the Allies. But he was a despot in the ilk of Hitler. I have lots of stuff on this but gee whiz we are drifting far afield.

            My buddy dear Berit’s father was taken to a concentration camp set up by the Nazis in her native Norway. Another no greater love story. She was 5 yrs old and she grabbed the gun the Nazi had to her father’s head. Of course she couldn’t get to far in the house but even then she had moxey. Her father was arrested for being a member of Norway’s resistance homeguard. He helped another escape the country because the Nazis were hot on his friends trail. Her father… the no greater love hath than he…

          • NathansFather

            Part 2 dadgum character limit got me again!

            Anyway this is just the tip of what Miss Berit in her 76+ years can teach us. I will hunt up her experience and that of a friend of hers in this most tragic time in our history.

            My parents both were Vets from WWII. Momma in the Navy as a Wave, Pacific and Daddy as in Air Force liberated France. Daddy said the French were really hatefilled and ungrateful mostly even then. Such a pridefilled nation. Nuttin much has changed there for sure.

          • Which two people are you referring to? Is Donald trump one?

          • NathansFather

            Part 1 – Illuminati
            My posts keep getting whacked… let’s see if this goes through John… dadgummit!
            I am being fought? 🙁

            Go see who these people are.
            Check out who the book is dedicated to.

            Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky – Marx and mixture of other flavors of communism.
            http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

          • NathansFather

            Nope… read the Saul Alinsky one…. surprise!

          • NathansFather

            Yes, evil! Stalin perhaps even worse than Hitler.

            OH John, guess what I just got?
            Love that Holy Spirit’s flow! Look what you are missing…. remember us discussing Goliath? This is what I mean about 2 different sources and same related topic in relatively close proximity. John this happens to me everyday. Sometimes multiple times!

            Source: Bible History Daily Newsletter, Tues., Oct 10
            Biblical Archaeology Society
            https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/daily-life-and-practice/ancient-board-games-biblical-gath/
            Ancient Board Games in Biblical Gath Canaanites at play
            in Bronze Age Canaan
            Gath, a Philistine city and hometown of the biblical giant Goliath in the land of Canaan.

            Where Did the Philistines Come From?
            Horned altar from Tell es-Safi hints at the origins of the Philistines
            https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/artifacts-and-the-bible/where-did-the-philistines-come-from/

        • NathansFather

          HA Ha ha! I see we have some agreement here. CNN and CBS – communist broadcasting system – etc (yes even Fox and now I have discovered Breitbart) are illuminati globalist. 🙁 Bannon is working with king Heinz Henry Kissinger of the Bilderberg. I totally divorced myself from BB now that Bannon actually exposed this association. Lots of Christians left then also.

        • NathansFather

          Hey John this may interest you!

          Why we can’t trust Steve Bannon (if you did at all. I had my reservations for sure before this.)

          He really torked me off that Bannon supported the Green book calling Andrew Breitbart a devil worshipper… but I hung on a while to help others.

          I saw to it that Breitbart published Greg Gutfield’s interview with Andrew’s widow. Andrew gave up his life for us…. greater love hath no man. He was murdered the night before he was going to expose the Shadow Government.

          This article really cut the buck I was outta’ there! Made some fine Christian friends as I posted. We were all disgusted with Bannon’s pride and utter stupidity.

          World View: Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger Form Project to Sound Alarm on China
          http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/09/30/30-sep-17-world-view-steve-bannon-and-henry-kissinger-form-project-to-sound-alarm-on-china/

          You’ll see me there 🙂

        • NathansFather

          Hey John this may interest you!

          Why we can’t trust Steve Bannon (if you did at all. I had my reservations for sure before this.)

          He really torked me off that Bannon supported the Green book calling Andrew Breitbart a devil worshipper… but I hung on a while to help others.

          I saw to it that Breitbart published Greg Gutfield’s interview with Andrew’s widow. Andrew gave up his life for us…. greater love hath no man. He was murdered the night before he was going to expose the Shadow Government.

          This article really cut the buck I was outta’ there! Made some fine Christian friends as I posted. We were all disgusted with Bannon’s pride and utter stupidity.

          World View: Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger Form Project to Sound Alarm on China
          http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/09/30/30-sep-17-world-view-steve-bannon-and-henry-kissinger-form-project-to-sound-alarm-on-china/

          You’ll see me there 🙂

        • NathansFather

          Oh here is something else you need to read re-communism. These 2 people worship lucifer.

          This article appears on one of the very best watchmen on the wall’s site. Berit”s gift of scholarship from God enables her to see on this side of the veil and get glimpses of the other side. She has been an apologist of great note since 1971.

          Has quite a life experience to tell. At age 5 her father was taken away by the Nazis in Norway. She is a granny now past her mid 70s. The bravest human human being I have ever met.

          So humble! She is an example of a person who truly follows The Way, Truth, and Life. She is attacked by all quarters. The atheists, agnostics, luciferians, and the very worst, the false prophets and their followers the apostates. Her deep faith in The Lord sees her through. The Whole Armor of God protects her from all the fiery darts lodged against her from satan. She is ROCK SOLID! As Jack says a real modern day Queen Esther mold.

          Kjos Ministries, Crossroad To
          http://www.crossroad.to
          http://www.crossroad.to/News/1-today.htm

          Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky
          http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

        • NathansFather

          Oh here is something else you need to read re-communism. These 2 people worship lucifer.

          This article appears on one of the very best watchmen on the wall’s site. Berit”s gift of scholarship from God enables her to see on this side of the veil and get glimpses of the other side. She has been an apologist of great note since 1971.

          Has quite a life experience to tell. At age 5 her father was taken away by the Nazis in Norway. She is a granny now past her mid 70s. The bravest human human being I have ever met.

          So humble! She is an example of a person who truly follows The Way, Truth, and Life. She is attacked by all quarters. The atheists, agnostics, luciferians, and the very worst, the false prophets and their followers the apostates. Her deep faith in The Lord sees her through. The Whole Armor of God protects her from all the fiery darts lodged against her from satan. She is ROCK SOLID! As Jack says a real modern day Queen Esther mold.

          Kjos Ministries, Crossroad To
          http://www.crossroad.to
          http://www.crossroad.to/News/1-today.htm

          Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky
          http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

          • Communism! This is the philosophy of dialectical and historical materialism developed by Marx and Engels and later by Lenin. Marxism-Leninism consists of three parts: The Philosophy of Marxism-Leninism, the Theory of Political Economy (basically Marx), and the Theory and Tactics of the Communist Movement. There is nothing about worshipping Lucifer, but I do agree that much of this material is evil: particularly the concept of democratic centralism developed by Lenin.

          • NathansFather

            Did you read Berit’s article on Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals yet? We have two prime examples of communists are former leaders. Both can’t seem to let go of their power trips. Both of the idolize Alinsky who worshipped lucifer. Did you not read his introduction and prologue to his book?

        • NathansFather

          Here’s one more and I will leave you alone from Townhall. you will see I am far more than just some “fundamentalist” lunatic.

          I do some very detailed research on a number of subjects. That is my gift. To be able to dig deeply to get to the marrow. I can speed read with a very high certainty of comprehension. Thank you Father!

          But what GOD gave me He also supplied a thorn. I have a condition called dyscalcula. I have had to relearn math starting at a 9th grade level to pass methods of research, stats, and calculus so I could pass tertiary rigors. Guess what? It’s all gone again. Sigh… SOK. I have used my degrees to the max. Am retired now.

          In California, It’s Now a Crime to Use Wrong Gender Pronoun For LGBT Seniors
          https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/10/06/lgbt-seniors-pronoun-n2391698

          Sign me…
          A much humbled person who was saved from the penalty of my sins by the love, mercy, and grace of I AM. And certainly not of my doing.

        • NathansFather

          Here’s one more and I will leave you alone from Townhall. you will see I am far more than just some “fundamentalist” lunatic.

          I do some very detailed research on a number of subjects. That is my gift. To be able to dig deeply to get to the marrow. I can speed read with a very high certainty of comprehension. Thank you Father!

          But what GOD gave me He also supplied a thorn. I have a condition called dyscalcula. I have had to relearn math starting at a 9th grade level to pass methods of research, stats, and calculus so I could pass tertiary rigors. Guess what? It’s all gone again. Sigh… SOK. I have used my degrees to the max. Am retired now.

          In California, It’s Now a Crime to Use Wrong Gender Pronoun For LGBT Seniors
          https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/10/06/lgbt-seniors-pronoun-n2391698

          Sign me…
          A much humbled person who was saved from the penalty of my sins by the love, mercy, and grace of I AM. And certainly not of my doing.

      • Communist news network? Do you mean the Beijing Peoples Daily?

    • NathansFather

      Most of us ignore what the communist news network has to say.
      They are funded by George Soros et. al illuminati.
      There is always the “slippery slope” argument.
      But I do agree that rapid fire alteration of a semi-automatic is far and above “overkill” (not being funny).

  • “Noah’s day doesn’t seem that different than the days in which we live today”

    Nor any other time in human history. Honestly I get so tired of hearing the world is getting worse and worse. Let me ask you, if you were a Black man, let’s say for sake of argument, would you rather be living now or 100 to 200 years ago? Or a woman living now or 2000 years ago? How about if you were Gay, or American Indian, or Jewish? You see, the Days of Noah comment in the Bible is very vague and can fit any time period you want it to, especially if you’re Caucasian, male and evangelical.

    “in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant…Of course, I don’t mean to insinuate that all unbelievers are this way”

    Thanks for being so generous. Of course evangelicals don’t fit any of those categories!

    “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” (Matt 24:32-34)”

    This generation will not pass…did you not read these words? Jesus said it would all come to pass within his generation. I thought you guys were “bible believers!” These things came to pass by 70 AD, when the temple was destroyed. Jeez, guys, this is simple Bible exegesis!

    • NathansFather

      Berean Study Part 1

      Matthew 24:32-34 English Standard Version (ESV) Bible Gateway

      The Lesson of the Fig Tree

      32 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, (A)at the very gates. 34 (B)Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

      Cross references:
      Matthew 24:33 : James 5:9; Rev. 3:20
      Matthew 24:34 : See ch. 16:28

      James 5:9 English Standard Version (ESV)
      9 Do not grumble against one another, brothers, (A)so that you may not be judged; behold, (B)the Judge is standing (C)at the door.

      Cross references:
      James 5:9 : Matt. 7:1
      James 5:9 : [1 Pet. 4:5; Rev. 22:12]
      James 5:9 : Matt. 24:33; Mark 13:29; [1 Cor. 4:5]

      Revelation 3:20 English Standard Version (ESV)

      20 Behold, I stand at the door and (A)knock. (B)If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, (C)I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

      Cross references:
      Revelation 3:20 : [Song 5:2]
      Revelation 3:20 : Luke 12:36
      Revelation 3:20 : John 14:23; [Luke 24:29, 30]

      Matthew 16:28English Standard Version (ESV)

      28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not (A)taste death (B)until they see the Son of Man (C)coming in his kingdom.”

      Cross references:
      Matthew 16:28 : John 8:52; Heb. 2:9
      Matthew 16:28 : [ch. 10:23; 23:36; 24:34]
      Matthew 16:28 : Luke 23:42

    • NathansFather

      Part 2 (repost first Part 2 was too long.

      Part 2

      Berean Study John Gills Exposition of the Bible – Bible Study Tools
      Clearly this applies to the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
      It does not apply to your postulations when the Kingdom of GOD physically comes to earth.
      Pentecost begins the Church Age (generation) of the Bride Church.

      Matthew 24:32
      Now learn a parable of the fig tree

      Take a similitude, or comparison from the fig tree, which was a tree well
      known in Judea; and the putting forth of its branches, leaves, and
      fruit, fell under the observation of everyone: when its branch is yet
      tenderthrough the influence of the sun, and the motion of the sap, which
      was bound up, and congealed in the winter season: and putteth forth
      leaves; from the tender branches, which swell, and open, and put forth
      buds, leaves, and fruit: ye know the summer is nigh;

      spring being
      already come: the fig tree putting forth her green figs, is a sign that
      the winter is past, the spring is come, and summer is at hand; see (
      Song of Solomon 2:11 Song of Solomon 2:13 ) .

    • NathansFather

      Part 3 a
      Matthew 24:33

      So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things

      That are mentioned above, relating to the signs of the destruction of
      the temple and city, and the destruction itself, with all those several
      things that should directly take place upon it; this is an accommodation
      of the above parable, similitude, or comparison:

      know that it is near, even at the doors;

      meaning, either that “he is near”, as the Ethiopic version reads it,
      the son of man is near, even at the doors; or as the Vulgate Latin
      renders it, “in the gates”, or “doors”, and so does Munster’s Hebrew
      Gospel; and signifies, that he was already come; for to be in the doors,
      or within the gates, is more than to be at the doors, or at the gates:
      and thus the fig tree putting forth its leaves, is a sign that summer is
      not only nigh, but is already come, even that part of it we call
      spring; for the Scripture divides the whole year only into two parts,
      summer and winter; so these calamities and desolations on the Jews, were
      a sign that the son of man was come, was in the gates, displaying his
      power and his glory: or the redemption and deliverance of the people of
      God was at hand, from the persecutions of the Jews; for till the
      destruction of Jerusalem, the persecutions of the Christians were
      chiefly from the Jews, or occasioned by them; but now, they being
      destroyed, the summer of deliverance was at hand:

    • NathansFather

      Part 3b
      Matthew 24:33 Continues for Christians of today also the age of the Bride Church

      or else the kingdom of God, or a more enlarged state of the Gospel
      dispensation was near; the winter of the legal dispensation was over,
      the spring of the Gospel dispensation was come, through the preaching of
      John the Baptist, Christ and his apostles; and now the summer of it was
      at hand, through the general spread of it, all over the Gentile world.
      So the second coming of Christ, will be a summer of joy and comfort to
      the saints: Christ will appear most lovely and amiable to them, he will
      be glorified by them, and admired in them; great grace will be brought
      unto them, and great glory will be put upon them; they will then enjoy
      full redemption and salvation: the winter of sorrows, afflictions, and
      persecutions, and of coldness, darkness, and desertion, will be over;
      the sun shall no more go down, nor the moon withdraw itself, but the
      Lord will be the everlasting light of his people.

    • NathansFather

      Part 4
      Matthew 24:34 Does not apply to us but all prophesy has NOT been fulfilled yet for the Second Coming. Your citation is like comparing apples to oranges.

      Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass

      Not the generation of men in general; as if the sense was, that mankind
      should not cease, until the accomplishment of these things; nor the
      generation, or people of the Jews, who should continue to be a people,
      until all were fulfilled; nor the generation of Christians; as if the
      meaning was, that there should be always a set of Christians, or
      believers in Christ in the world, until all these events came to pass;
      but it respects that present age, or generation of men then living in
      it; and the sense is, that all the men of that age should not die, but
      some should live till all these things were fulfilled;

      see ( Matthew 16:28) as many did, and as there is reason to believe they might, and must,
      since all these things had their accomplishment, in and about forty
      years after this: and certain it is, that John, one of the disciples of
      Christ, outlived the time by many years; and, as Dr. Lightfoot
      observes, many of the Jewish doctors now living, when Christ spoke
      these words, lived until the city was destroyed; as Rabban Simeon, who
      perished with it, R. Jochanan ben Zaccai, who outlived it, R. Zadoch,
      R. Ishmael, and others: this is a full and clear proof, that not
      anything that is said before, relates to the second coming of Christ,
      the day of judgment, and end of the world; but that all belong to the
      coming of the son of man, in the destruction of Jerusalem, and to the
      end of the Jewish state.

    • NathansFather

      Part 5 a

      Kirk, this does pertain to now when God is over being patient with the world he will come as the Alpha and Omega with a new name at the Second Coming. This is not the event on Pentecost. All prophesy of His coming after the Holy Spirit of Pentecost has not yet been fulfilled.

      2 Timothy 3 English Standard Version (ESV)

      Godlessness in the Last Days

      3 But understand this, that (A)in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be (B)lovers of self, (C)lovers of money, (D)proud, (E)arrogant, abusive, (F)disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 (G)heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, (H)not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, (I)swollen with conceit, (J)lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but (K)denying its power. (L)Avoid such people. 6 For among them are (M)those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 always learning and never able to (N)arrive at a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as (O)Jannes and Jambres (P)opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, (Q)men corrupted in mind and (R)disqualified regarding the faith. 9 But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, (S)as was that of those two men.

      • James the Mad

        Re Part 5a: We’re not seeing anything today we haven’t seen a dozen times or more over the last 2,000 years. It only seems that way because we have short memories and because geographically and politically we can’t see past the ends of our noses.

        I’ll repeat what I said on my own post: “Only in America can we convince ourselves that a handful of shootings in a small corner of the world the ancients knew nothing about would signal the imminent return of Christ. The world has seen far worse over the centuries since Christ walked the earth, and we’re still here.”

        We seem to think that our minor disasters here in our little corner of the world are so much more important to God than the deaths of something like 230,000 in the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami. Why is that? How is it we’ve become so totally arrogant in our thinking that any little problem our country faces is suddenly a sign of the imminent return of Jesus? We’ve become addicted to predicting the return of Jesus and the end of the world, to the point that Napoleon, Hitler, at least half of the Ceasars and just about every American president have been referred to as the antiChrist at one time or another, and the mere fact that I’m typing this suggests it simply hasn’t happened yet.

        Show me, on a worldwide basis, how today is any worse than WWI and the 1918 flu pandemic, and I might – just might – be willing to listen. But for crying out loud, let’s drop this ridiculous fantasy that ANYTHING that happens here in the US is at all meaningful in terms of the return of Christ.

        • James the Mad

          Actually there’s one sign I might accept, taken from Revelations and from Hal Lindsey’s The Late Great Planet Earth. That’s when we see the smoke of their coastal cities rising. As in, when our port cities have been nuked. THAT I would probably consider to be a sign of the end, assuming I survived the nuking of San Francisco and the surrounding area. But that’s about it.
          Of course, Hal Lindsey was proven to be a false prophet a while back with the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union, but that’s another story for another day.

          • NathansFather

            Well James, what can I say to you? The mere reason we have more and more people in the world than in ancient times means the world is getting more and more evil. The more people the more incidences of evil acts.
            And I never stated when Jesus Iesous Y’shua would return.
            And I would not hazard a guess at it.
            Tribulation?
            Oh yes, we see it and there will be more to come.
            All the more reason to hold onto our faith with all our might.

          • Tim Cooper

            If more people == more evil, you can certainly go do your part to reduce the amount of evil in the world.

          • NathansFather

            Well James, what can I say to you? The mere reason we have more and more people in the world than in ancient times means the world is getting more and more evil. The more people the more incidences of evil acts.
            And I never stated when Jesus Iesous Y’shua would return.
            And I would not hazard a guess at it.
            Tribulation?
            Oh yes, we see it and there will be more to come.
            All the more reason to hold onto our faith with all our might.

          • NathansFather

            Hal Lindsay is a mess. He might just hear, “Depart from me I never knew you.” Wow gloom and doomer to the max uh huh.

          • Well, I agree with you that Hal Lindsay was gravely mistaken. He was a dispensationalist fanatic.

          • Well, I agree with you that Hal Lindsay was gravely mistaken. He was a dispensationalist fanatic.

          • NathansFather

            Hal Lindsay is a mess. He might just hear, “Depart from me I never knew you.” Wow gloom and doomer to the max uh huh.

        • Bruce Robertson

          The answer to this is that religion is a very selfish and inward looking delusion. It’s fundamentally focused on the self, and in particular our inability as humans to cope with the idea of death. We seek to answer that problem for ourselves, so there is no need to take an expansive view of the world and consider perspective or proportionality. Those that are in this delusion want above anything else for some actual evidence for it to be true, so desperately will something tangible such as “a sign of end times”. They will latch onto anything they can like a drug addict would do to get their next fix of reality escape.

    • NathansFather

      Part 5b Run the Cross References. Unfortunately you are making the mistake of not using Scripture proving Scripture. You will lose context and comprehension as a result.. Remember even satan could quote Scripture (witness his confrontation in the wilderness with Jesus Iesous Y’shua.) We need not copy his ways or our understanding will be distorted (just sayin…)

      Cross references:
      2 Timothy 3:1 : See 1 Tim. 4:1
      2 Timothy 3:2 : [Phil. 2:21]
      2 Timothy 3:2 : Luke 16:14; [1 Tim. 6:10]
      2 Timothy 3:2 : Rom. 1:30
      2 Timothy 3:2 : Rom. 1:30
      2 Timothy 3:2 : Rom. 1:30
      2 Timothy 3:3 : Rom. 1:31
      2 Timothy 3:3 : [Titus 1:8]
      2 Timothy 3:4 : 1 Tim. 3:6; 6:4
      2 Timothy 3:4 : Phil. 3:19
      2 Timothy 3:5 : See 1 Tim. 5:8
      2 Timothy 3:5 : 1 Tim. 6:20; [Titus 1:14]
      2 Timothy 3:6 : [Titus 1:11]
      2 Timothy 3:7 : 1 Tim. 2:4
      2 Timothy 3:8 : Ex. 7:11
      2 Timothy 3:8 : [Acts 13:8]
      2 Timothy 3:8 : See 1 Tim. 6:5
      2 Timothy 3:8 : Titus 1:16
      2 Timothy 3:9 : Ex. 7:12; 8:18; 9:11

      • Bruce Robertson

        Great post, a really important point about satan being able to quote scripture too.

        Perhaps even more important to note that satan doesn’t exist and believing in things that don’t exist is a sign of insanity (just sayin…)

  • Jim Olsson

    God loves mayhem. My basis for saying this is Romans 13:1 – 2. Attila the Hun, Tamerlane, Ghengis Khan, or in more recent times, Pol Pot, Josef Stalin, Uncle Adolph, Mao-tse Whats-his-face… all brought to you by the benevolent Jehovah. So when we talk about overthrowing the Ayatollah, or das Fuhrer, or the Comrade-in-Chief… we’re resisting God and his plan for organized mayhem. We’re supposed to submit, be humble, heap burning coals on their heads, etc. THIS is why we need to outlaw all religions. Every religion is worse than the previous one.

    • NathansFather

      Time of testing separating the wheat from the chaff.

      • Jim Olsson

        Does not God already know the results of the test? What was the point of creating us in the first place if He knew that narrow is the gate and straight is the path that few will follow? Since the path is wide and crooked that many will follow, then the biggest sin has to be having children (making sinners) who will reject God. It is all such laughable hogwash.

      • Jim Olsson

        Does not God already know the results of the test? What was the point of creating us in the first place if He knew that narrow is the gate and straight is the path that few will follow? Since the path is wide and crooked that many will follow, then the biggest sin has to be having children (making sinners) who will reject God. It is all such laughable hogwash.

        • NathansFather

          I am sorry you seem so lost.
          May the Transcendent GOD confront you.
          The Narrow Gate is Jesus Iesous Y’shua.
          You can only reach eternal life through Him.
          So wide is the path to destruction to those who do not accept Him, The Way, the Truth, and the Life. The Great Almighty I AM.

        • NathansFather

          I am sorry you seem so lost.
          May the Transcendent GOD confront you.
          The Narrow Gate is Jesus Iesous Y’shua.
          You can only reach eternal life through Him.
          So wide is the path to destruction to those who do not accept Him, The Way, the Truth, and the Life. The Great Almighty I AM.

    • NathansFather

      Time of testing separating the wheat from the chaff.

  • mbarker12474

    Heck with mass shootings. I just want to know what the Bible says about the phenomenon of Pumpkin Spice latte’s and Pumpkin Spice everything else. This is surely a sign of the end times and mass sin, yes?