Yesterday, Monday, I was live on air on Moody Radio’s Morning Ride with Mark Elfstrand.
This interview came about as I was alerted by a friend about two weeks ago that the Morning Ride was talking some heavy trash about me, my organization and our I’m Sorry Campaign at the Gay Pride Parade. Not only did I go to Moody Theological Seminary for my Masters, but I’ve been on all of their programs at least 20-30 times over the past few years (though I have only been on the Morning Ride once – and that was quite the experience in real-time perseverance). So I called the producer and said:
“You know me. You know how to get a hold of me. I’ve been on your program before. And yet you still decide to talk negatively behind my back instead of talking to me personally. That doesn’t sound like a very Christian thing to do, now does it?”
They then retrospectively invited me on after I called them out behind the scenes. And yesterday was quite the experience. I was prepared for a not-so-welcome welcome because of what happened last time I was on their program. But you’re just going to have to listen to it to get the full effect!
Here are a few highlights:
The host, Mark Elfstrand, for the entire first segment asked me six or seven different times if I believed homosexuality is a sin. He kept asking because I kept giving him an answer he didn’t like. As you all know, I don’t answer yes/no questions. Boy that didn’t make him happy (and yes, it was quite awkward during the breaks).
Then he went on to start arguing with me that Jesus, when asked yes/no questions by well-intentioned friends, answered with a yes/no answer. Unfortunately for Mark, that is not true. And I quoted Scripture to make sure he knew that. He was quite embarrassed – that was not my intention, I just want him to get his facts correct instead of continuing to publicly speak falsities about parts of the Bible he obviously does not know to be true or false.
He made it quite clear throughout the whole interview that it’s not my right to apologize for any of the Church.
Then the callers came the last 10 minutes or so! What they said to me was unreal. Almost amusing (and for me, being as sensitive as I am with being lied about/made fun of/directly insulted, that is a big accomplishment).
I won’t do any of their constant insults justice, you’re just going to have to listen to them for yourself.
And for those of you who just think that I get raked through the coals by some LGBT outlets, just listen to these conservative Christians go off on me. As I have always said, when you work to build a bridge you make yourself vulnerable to both ‘sides’. Here’s a great example of that. I just try to continue to stay humble and live like Jesus as best as I can.
To listen to the interview, click here, then next to my picture click the Listen button.
Since yesterday I’ve gotten quite a few emails/Facebooks/etc asking me why I would keep doing this work and continue to get pounded on by both communities? Here are two quick answers written to me yesterday after the interview that remind me why…