Obama vs First Amendment Liberties – UPDATES

From Charles Kadlec at Forbes, the must read of the day!

Before our very eyes, President Obama is on the verge of establishing the principle that the right to religious freedom comes not from our Creator, but from those who rule us. A government endowed right granted to women now trumps our unalienable right to act in accordance with our religious beliefs and conscience. Not only does this overturn the First Amendment, it also tramples the nation’s founding principles as announced in the Declaration of Independence. Such an achievement would be the true audacity of power.

The fundamental question is whether the Catholic Church, and by extension, individual Americans have to engage in activities according to the rulings of this and future Presidents, or are we free to live our lives as we choose as long as we do not harm another. Are we free to engage in long standing religious practices that have never before been deemed unlawful, or has the federal government established a de facto state “religion” that it is prepared to enforce through the full coercive power of its financial resources and the imposition of financial penalties.

If the Catholic Church and the American people choose the face saving “Option A” instead of “Option C,” then President Obama will have transformed America. We may be allowed the illusion of exercising our freedom, but in truth, we will be subjects in ObamaLand, required to do the bidding of this and future Presidents in the name of some higher, collective good.

However, the Catholic Church can turn the tables on the President by taking Option A off the table with a humble statement of principal that in the matters of religious practices and conscience, there is a higher authority than government Who it chooses to obey. If President Obama prevails and unleashes the full force of the federal government against the Church, the cost will be the closing of Catholic schools, hospitals and the loss of social services that play a vital part in communities across the nation. Such a stand would make clear to the American people that the alternative to religious freedom would be a mortal wound to our civil liberties and a complete disruption of civil society.

I am not a Catholic, nor do I believe in the Church’s opposition to contraception. But I pray that the leadership of the Catholic Church will have the faith and courage to stand for its core beliefs and use all of its moral power and political influence to defeat the President’s edict. I pray they will reach out across the political spectrum to people of all faiths, agnostics and atheists in the name of religious freedom and individual liberty. By so doing, they, and the institution of the Catholic Church, will have my love and respect for the rest of my life.

Read it all; send it to everyone you know. Tell it at the table and to your children. This is not just a Catholic battle; it’s not just a church battle.

“We are only a few days away from fundamentally transforming America!”
— Barack Obama, November 2008

Me, in 2009


Look, liberty is not lost in a day.
It is lost in increments and inches. Today you will not smoke in a pub – or smoke at all – even though those in charge might. Tomorrow the government will set your house temperature for you, while keeping their own set to their comfort levels. They will tell you how much money you may fairly earn, while “they” are not quite so limited. Next year your son will be forced to participate in mandatory volunteerism, and so will your mother. Soon you will be advised to abandon your hate-filled intolerant church for the approved and correct one. Someday, you may be asked to bow before someone and you will have to say “yes” and then live with yourself, or say “no” and live with those consequences. The banality of slavery…it is almost a tedious thing.

Just be ready, is all I am saying. And practice prayer – which is the most subversive of liberties; it can never be taken from you, and is a source of power and strength. Train yourself in prayer. Begin now, so that you are a fit, skilled practitioner when the need arises.

It will be easier to train yourself, and to read the data, if you put on the mind of exile before it is forced on you. What you do or give freely is never diminishable.

Russell Shaw at OSV: Why People Don’t Like the Catholic Church:

. . . the Catholic Church stands as the principal obstacle to realization of the secularists’ procedural paradise of all-but-unconditional choice. However the current controversy ends, this larger conflict will continue.


Pope John Paul II and Ignatius Cardinal Kung Pin Mei

UPDATE:
From the Progressive Christian
portal comes a voice of understanding and support

Also, David Warren Pipes in from Up North

UPDATE II: Joanne at Egregious Twaddle on being Catholic, liberal and American during a most illiberal time — it’s a good, thoughtful and honest read. Highly recommend!

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  • Adam

    Monty Python and the Holy Grail is starting to look a little prophetic, isn’t it? I can imagine this scenario in our near future…

    King Arthur: I am your king.
    Peasant Woman: Well, I didn’t vote for you.
    King Arthur: You don’t vote for kings.
    Peasant Woman: Well, how’d you become king, then?
    [Angelic music plays... ]
    King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your king.
    Dennis the Peasant: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
    Arthur: Be quiet!
    Dennis the Peasant: You can’t expect to wield supreme power just ’cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
    Arthur: [grabs Dennis] Shut up! Will you shut up?!
    Dennis: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!
    Arthur: [shakes Dennis] Shut up!
    Dennis: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I’m being repressed!
    Arthur: Bloody Peasant!
    Dennis: Ooh, what a giveaway!

    The sense of where our rights come from is slowly…or gee whiz, maybe rapidly, being lost. If it’s not God, it’s at least the people. I think some people really do see this guy as a king with all executive authority that goes with it. I used to listen to “A Prairie Home Companion,” liberal as it was. I flipped it off forever when Garrison Keillor sang the president a song in 2009 that included the lyrics, “You weren’t elected, you were coronated.”

    [Some of us said right away that this president did not want to lead, but to rule -admin]

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    Over at PJ Media this morning, there’s an article about how, if Obama gets away with this with Catholics, Jews might be next on the firing line.

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  • Mark

    When we sat back and did nothing after the court in 1947 turned the first right in the bill of rights 180 degrees, we opened the door to those who would follow in the attack on first our religious liberties, but later on any liberty or right given to us in the Constitution. If one thinks back to what had just happened, we had just defeated the evil of the Nazi German and Japan. We were turning over countries to the USSR that had fought with us for their freedom. We had just uncovered the horror of the death camps and yet within a quarter century we would be establishing the legal right for our own American death camps again by the use of lie and distortion to change our Constitution.

    This post by Anchoress is another wonderful roundup of the overall situation. But you have to go back and understand history to see how we are doing the same things. The secularist has driven out accurate if not all history from our schools or modified where it fits their agenda. Get a copy of your kids ‘social studies’ book and read what they are being taught and try to find accurate history anywhere. It is as if one side is working relentlessly with a game plan and we continue to act as if there is not even a war ongoing for the soul of America. Even within our churches, the secularist have infiltrated and divided without bothering to even practice that faith. Look at the voting differences between practicing Catholics and cultural secular seamless garment government solutions to everything catholics. Look how quickly the secular catholics are out defending Obama clear assult on religious liberty and their disdain for Catholic teaching. They cling to the name catholic because it allows them to be seen as part of the church and to create dissent within a strong enemy of their movement. In the process, some are simply duped because they are busy and understanding the Church and the entire secular attack takes time and energy they do not have. The same thing happened in Germany. Our founders knew they had created a government framework that could easily become a totalitarian state as Father Barron pointed out in the video Anchoress posted. Before retification, the bill of rights was created to become part of the overall document. They knew that strong religious foundation of the people was essential and that this needed full protection from what we are seeing since 1947 distortion of separation of church and state. The founders did not want religions separated from government, but protected from government harming it. The certainly did not want a secular “religion” established as the state religion forcing out any dissent.

    Only when the people realize that the goal is a mandatory secular religion that allows no god except government will we ever have a hope of defeating this monster. Born of a lie, it needs to be killed. If allowed now to win in this latest battle, it could be too late.

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  • http://victor-undergo.blogspot.com/ Victor

    HIGH, HIGH, ME SHIP MATES, IS THIS WHERE “I” finds “IT”
    The Katlec “country brew shown” Vs “Katholic con vert her”?

    I hear ya Anchoress! Just ingnore Victor folks cause he’s really not all here! :)

  • http://jscafenette.com/ Manny

    It’s nopw been a week since Obama proposed that “accomodation” and has had time to hear Catholic opposition and absorb it. He hasn’t budged an iota. It is clear he has every intention of shoving this down our throats.

    This blog and the one just below with the Fr. Baron video on the subject are a combined statement on this issue. We are clearly under attack. This president has consciously crossed a Rubicon and intends to make religious freedom subserviant to the State as the Forbes article correctly outlines. This is bigger than we imagine. I don’t know how we proceed. I haven’t seen any polls on the issue, but I’m afraid Obama has slowly been rising in the polls, so it’s probably not working in our favor. He never holds any press conferences, so he’s never questioned on anything. The media used to crucify Republican presidents when they went too long without a press conference. The media has been silent as usual for a Dem. I don’t know how we stop this without a clear defeat in November. God be with us.

  • http://tagged tommy green

    this REALLY IS a slippery slope, and has two sides…..many times people “hide” behind “religious freedom” to try to deny the rights of everyone else…..the very term is a contradiction in itself….there’s always an abundance of those who believe “religious freedom” is limited to worshiping THEIR god, THEIR way…..it’s through this self entitlement that they believe “in god we trust” is limited to their own interpretation on the matter, and any other form of worship to be immoral, evil, or the work of a cartoon -boogyman called “satan”, these same people who want their own freedoms have stopped at NOTHING to deny the rights of others….gay marriage, (weddings being a RELIGIOUS ceremony) denying women to the rights to their own body, censoring movies, television, music, the news, and even school textbooks….i must admit i can’t help but smile knowing that these same people are now getting a dose of their own medicine.

    on the other hand….i really haven’t seen, (or heard) of how EXACTLY obama is denying ANYONE to practice their beliefs….it seams the only one’s complaining are the one’s trying to tear down the wall that separates church and state. (we, or our ancestors, got a little dose of what that was like…..it’s called the salem witch trials) now, i know many of you out there DO believe that you answer to said “higher power”, but, america is NOT a religious state….it’s an ATHEISTIC one that grants the right to practice any religion you want.
    i do believe it would be just as wrong for the government to decide what religion to believe or practice…..funny thing is, it’s would be NO DIFFERENT than many “christain” organisations are trying to do….like those lovely people promoting hatred towards same sex marriage, or the hobbit movie.
    think about this….if abortions are murder, what’s it called when the pope goes to Africa (the continent most ravaged by aids) and tells them wearing a condom is a mortal sin?

    despite my dis-like for the religious retards and child-molesting cross dressing magic cracker distributers, i do believe that they ARE entitled to their practices, beliefs, and ideas. NO ONE has the right to dictate the lives of anyone else, whatsoever.

    now, if the religions left everyone else alone to begin with, this wouldn’t be coming back to bite them in the ass. but as the old saying goes :as you sow, you shall surely reap…..

    the lesson here is now you know why the rest of us hate you and everything you believe. divine justice has been served…

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    “Despite my dis-like for the religious retards and child-molesting cross dressing magic cracker distributers, I do believe that they ARE entitled to their practices, beliefs and ideas.”

    Oooooh, Tommy, you’re like, oh, gosh wow, so tolerant, man! You’ll let us practice our religion? Really? Awww, gee, thanks! All hail Commissar Tommy, who will let us cross-dressing, magic cracker distributers practice our religion, stupid though it is! Is that generous, or what? /Sarc.

    I can’t figure out why you hate the religious left so much, Tommy, as you’re obviously pretty leftist yourself.

    We know, we know, we criticized the wonderful O. Therefore, we’re bad. Bad us! We should not complain, but submit to the Wonderful O. /Sarc. again.

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    Now, now, Manny!

    As Tommy points out, we cracker-worshipping, womens’ rights denying cross-dressers should not practice our silly religion!

    We should only worship the state!

    /Sarc.

  • http://www.thecafeallegro.com/randomthoughts RandomThoughts

    You do not need to be a Catholic to understand what forcing the provision of abortion and birth control upon Catholic health care providers portends for our entire society.

    Mark is so right in saying …you have to go back and understand history to see how we are doing the same things. The secularist has driven out accurate if not all history from our schools or modified where it fits their agenda. Get a copy of your kids ‘social studies’ book and read what they are being taught and try to find accurate history anywhere. It is as if one side is working relentlessly with a game plan and we continue to act as if there is not even a war ongoing for the soul of America. …Only when the people realize that the goal is a mandatory secular religion that allows no god except government will we ever have a hope of defeating this monster. Born of a lie, it needs to be killed. If allowed now to win in this latest battle, it could be too late.

    Bolding mine, not Mark’s. Anyone who thinks this isn’t outright warfare has no clue what warfare actually entails.

  • http://www.thecafeallegro.com/randomthoughts RandomThoughts

    BTW, “Tommy,” your little attempt to quote the Bible (bet you didn’t know that’s what the “old saying” is from) has me laughing. Not in a good way, but still, your feeble attempt at dialog is amusing. I’d also bet real money you are utterly clueless as to the context of …as the old saying goes :as you sow, you shall surely reap….

    Galatians 6:6-8 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

    I’d explain exactly what that means, but seeing as your words indicate you are all about pleasing the flesh, I think any explanation would be wasted upon you.

  • kenneth

    “…..Anyone who thinks this isn’t outright warfare has no clue what warfare actually entails.”……….

    Except for the actual combat veterans or war survivors among you, NONE of you have any clue what warfare actually entails.

  • http://tagged tommy green

    well, o.k…. the thing you are hung up is that, because of a legal termination that would some how effect ” a de facto state religion”….that would place a national god before your own…and through that legal definition the united states could hold the “church”…liable ..” that it is prepared to enforce through the full coercive power of its financial resources and the imposition of financial penalties.” …..how, exactly, does that impose on your right to worship? …..they already got one of those, uncle scam….that is only a legal definition. what’s in your head is completely different: there is a higher authority than government Who it chooses to obey.

    what you believe, is what you believe. even if he passed this “legal definition”…..you will ALWAYS believe it is wrong. every person will ALWAYS have their on “god”, or the god in their head, higher self, whatever.
    you do have the right to exist provided you harm none. but, if you are being charged to pay for liabilities, you think it’s unfair. i say, it’s about time. i don’t need to go into how many times people are being hurt by some of the clergy.” If President Obama prevails and unleashes the full force of the federal government against the Church, the cost will be the closing of Catholic schools, hospitals and the loss of social services that play a vital part in communities across the nation”. i think the united states should have the right to hold the catholic church responsible for these activities under American law.

  • http://www.savkobabe.blogspot.com Gayle Miller

    I am very much afraid that I foresee a great deal of turmoil and danger in this, the Year of Our Lord 2012. Obama must be defeated at the polls; there is no other choice if we are to retain our liberties. Then we must be prepared to guard against his attempt to manufacture a crisis (remember Rahm Emanuel’s “Never let a good crisis go to waste!”) so that he can declare martial law and invalidate the 11/12 election that throws him and his minions out into the hinterlands. He won’t succeed because the great sleeping giant that is the American heartland, and the South will not permit this insurrection on his part any success. But dark days are ahead. Only by the grace of God will our Republic survive this malevolent creature that is currently doing his level best to destroy our nation.

  • http://tagged tommy green

    b.t.w, random thoughts…..i am familure with the verses, but, thanks for retelling them.
    as for rhinestone psudifed……by “we”, do you mean the voices in your head?
    or that imaginary friend you call a “savior”….

  • FenelonSpoke

    Tommy is clearly a troll; When they start with “Voices in your head” it’s best to just ignore them.

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    Nup, nup, nup, Kenneth!

    None of us has ever served in the military, or have relatives who’ve served in the military,or have read any history and we have no knowledge of war whatsoever.

    And you know all this through your mighty mental powers, right?/Sarc.

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    Tell the truth now, Kenneth;

    Are you really angry about our alleged “Hysteria?” Or are you angry that the Bishops, and many other Catholics, aren’t simply renouncing their faith for the greater, Obama good?

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    I think you’re right, Fenelon.

    When they trot out the old “Voices in your head” schtick, it’s time to ignore them.

  • doc

    So, Kenneth, you sound like combat vets have absolute and exclusive moral authority to describe war. Are you saying historians who have not served have no business publishing their research? Do they serve no purpose? Did you know that many of the vets from the Blackhawk Down battle in Somalia expressed their gratitude to Mark Bowdin for writing his book, since none of them knew the whole picture of that battle until they read his account?

    Have you ever known a combat vet to lie? See Kerry, John.

    Tommy, most of us engage in these discussions with candor, intelligence, and good will (if I may borrow from Bill Bennett). You are 0-3, bud.

  • http://tagged tommy green

    o.k…..maybe i’m a troll…….maybe, i don’t use the same “tact” as you do…..but
    everyone else in this county that is caught red-handed molesting children gets prosecuted by American law……roman catholic priests get to skate on it……fair?

  • doc

    So, Tommy, it is a fact that public school teachers have abused many times more children than have priests. Do you call for stripping the teachers unions of their ability to shield abusive teachers from scrutiny, job loss, and prosecution?

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    And, while we’re at it, doc, let’s not forget the UN, and its history of child abuse, and sexual assault.

  • http://tagged tommy green

    anyone who would harm a child should be prosecuted…..REGARDLESS OF JOB TITLE OR BELIEF…..the fact that the schools need “to shield abusive teachers from scrutiny, job loss, and prosecution ” indicates that they are in SERIOUS need of reform. not from government intervention, but from within. but, i must thank you for pointing out that school teachers do more than priests, or about the u.n…..i never knew that…

  • http://tagged tommy green

    oh, i could say the same thing about many other religions; the case in point was simply the one in question…..i really wonder, “and might even ask” if anyone actually knows if the two could actually rival each other in incidents. also, i do think the church has a right to reform, itself without government intervention. my argument lies only with criminal liabilities. on a personal note, i do think that many followers of any said faith have had their good intentions betrayed. don’t be discouraged! i do see where those who have faith have really pulled together and did many great things for our country. on this, i can agree, and even volenteered(sp) alongside many believers. the difference lies with the results of a persons actions….judged on a person by person bases, not in “titles” or “self rightiousness(sp)” but, here is where the answer lies:
    FREEDOM OF SPEECH
    sure, you could “ignore me,”…..but here’s your chance to show me the better way. maybe i could teach you something. dominating an “argument” doesn’t really do a damn bit of good, or make ether one of us more “right” than the other.

    here’s a chance “for everyone” to bump heads with their enemies, find a common ground, a make some changes EVERYONE can live with. anyone can “brush off” someone the simply disagree with, freedom of speech does NOT mean “not hearing what you don’t like” it is intended to encourage people to say what’s on their minds, and possibly, improve the conditions in which we live. like my opinion or not, it’s not going anywhere. you can ether change it or let me fall “victim” to the latest “satan”, barrack obauma….

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    Tommy.

    You think you’re angry with us.

    You’re not.

    You’re angry with something in yourself, in your world, and, probably, I suspect, with God Himself. I’m sorry about that. There’s no use engaging you in anything at this point, because you’re too angry. Whatever we say, you’re just going to hurl abuse.

    You need to find a better way for yourself, and you’re not going to do it ranting at those you think are your enemies on the internet.

  • http://tagged tommy green

    actually, i do have an issue with things…..but, once again, i am willing to listen…and no, it’s not any particular person i am angry with. i had no intentions of hurling any more insults, but, if we are not going to engage, i wish you a fond “goodbye” and hope for a peaceful resolution to the issue….

  • SKay

    Tommy seems to have been taught Bill Ayers/Kevin Jennings/Obama revised history. (,” america is NOT a religious state….it’s an ATHEISTIC one that grants the right to practice any religion you want”)
    No–it is not a religious “state”–but it is not an “atheistic” state either.
    The majority of the founders were very religious and they believed our rights come from our CREATOR–NOT from the STATE.

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    The first ammendment of the Constitution protects our religious freedom FROM the state. It also protects free speech FROM the state–and that is also under attack from this administration and their backers.

    Obama said in a radio interview -well before running for President(early 90′s)–that he does not like the Constitution as written. He thinks it has too many things that the state can’t do and not enough things that the state will do for you.

    We are seeing where his view will lead us–and it is exactly where our founders did not want this country to go. The loss of the freedoms that they fought so hard for.

    We recently heard about Supreme Court justice Ruth B Ginsburg(Clinton nominee) counseling Egypt not to base their constitution on the US Constitution. One of the constitutions she suggested was the South African constitution. Apparently it promises housing, healthcare etc.
    If a nominee to the Supreme Court does not like our Constitution than perhaps they should not be put on the court. Obama’s last two nominations were along the same line as Ginsburg–if not worse.

  • Mark

    Kenneth, as a combat vet, with a dad who was a combat vet, and whose son was a combat vet, I do know warfare. But this is a combat for the heart, soul, and mind of America and is fought with ideas and words. Frankly, I think Anchoress is better equiped that I am for this battle and glad she is engaged on the right side.

    As to the hate filled Tommy, I think it best just to ignore his hate filled posts if not get them off the air. He makes the point very clear how evil those are that support the other side. Kenneth, I suppose since you did not comment against his attacks, you count him on your side.

    Gayle Miller, you are right about this being a nasty year. Classless Obama will not give up power without resorting to ever possible action no matter if it harms America or gets folks hurt or killed. His jumping on to support occupy with all the listed hundreds of acts of lawbreaking including rape and deaths shows the kind of person we have in office. He fires up union thugs and I am sure helps to coordinate their activities. I look for them to be on full attack mode with little regard for freedom of speech or even keeping voting legal. This is war on their side and I think both sides believe that the outcome will seal the fate of this country for at least a generation. We will use words, prayers, and votes. They will use anything one would expect from those who support the holocaust of 54 million babies. If they think nothing of killing 4,000 babies each day, why would then think anything of laws.

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    Yes, it’s a nasty year.

    And it’s going to get worse, the closer we get to November.

  • http://www.thecafeallegro.com/randomthoughts RandomThoughts

    kenneth no, I’m not a military veteran, only the daughter of a Navy Commander and WWII vet, and the mother of an Air Force pilot. So yeah, I’ve never fought in combat, only been surrounded by warriors my entire life. Guess that doesn’t qualify me as having any understanding of warfare, be it temporal or spiritual.

    I’m just going to follow Mark around and echo what he says, including “…this a combat for the heart, soul, and mind of America and is fought with ideas and words. Frankly, I think Anchoress is better equiped that I am for this battle and glad she is engaged on the right side.

  • Adam

    Tommy,
    This needs to be said if only for purposes of fair debate: your grammar, punctuation, and spelling make it very difficult to follow your arguments. I’ve honestly had to scroll right through your postings, not because I object to the content, but because I simply can’t get through them. A few things to consider:
    - Spelling: when you can’t even get the President’ name right (“barrack obauma”), it gives the impression that you’re uneducated. You may, in fact, have a world-class education, or maybe you’re handicapped because you’re writing from a cellphone. Regardless, the social consequence of poor spelling is that the reader presumptively gives you less credibility.
    - Capitalization: it’s a classic rule of grammar: sentences start with a capital letter. It signals to the reader that a new sentence has started. Without capital letters, your paragraphs appear, at a glance, to be one long sentence. A reader will, reflexively, not want to read it.
    - Periods: Use only one when finishing a sentence. You may think it’s stylistically impressive to use an ellipsis (…) between sentences, but overuse is frustrating. An ellipsis is a signal to the reader to slow down. A period is a signal to stop, or that the thought is complete. You can sparingly use an ellipsis to pause for effect…but then you need to resume the thought.
    Elizabeth may be a lot more forgiving than I when it comes to grammar, but as a matter of social etiquette, please try to follow the rules of construction when debating. Thanks!

  • http://tagged tommy

    O.k, I will!!! I’ll try to write a little clearer.
    I believe the main concern about Obauma is he, as chief executive, is seizing too much power. Thing is, this has been the trend since reagan first took office. this is not limited to our current president.

    to me, I see No candidate that will be any different than the next. How many elections as of late do we find ourselves merely picking the less of two evils, to find that NONE of them carry out what they promise? I, for one would actually like to see a decent candidate that wants to insure the rights and freedoms of the people. Do i think it’s likely? No, not really. to assume i favor one candidate or another is just an assumption. Any candidate that panders to the whims of big business is wrong.
    Am i filled with anger? The answer is yes. when special interest groups get to pull the strings and leave the rest of us high and dry, I tend to become a little resentful.

    what seams strange to me is that both political parties pull this. Yet, to the republicans if Reagan did it, not a thing is said, yet, if Clinton does it, it’s a huge issue. not to exclude the democrats, like someone mentioned “Obauma is being protected”.

  • http://jscafenette.com/ Manny

    LOL, Kenneth makes me laugh. He goes thread to thread trying to spit out talking points. We had an expanded back and forth on this over at Deacon Greg’s blog:
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2012/02/a-must-read-for-this-presidents-day/#comment-210345

    You can judge for yourself if he holds any credibility.

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    I’ve judged, Manny.

    No, I don’t think he holds any.

  • SKay

    ” this has been the trend since reagan first took office”
    It has been happening a lot longer Tommy. How about Democrats Wilson, FDR and LBJ?


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