Quoting Quiverfull: Dress Like a Whore, Get Raped?

Quoting Quiverfull: Dress Like a Whore, Get Raped? March 29, 2017

quotingquiverfullby Doug Wilson from Blog and Mablog – On the Moral Necessity of Judging Books by the Cover

Editor’s note: This post started out almost as a racist rant about how Hollywood feeds us clues about people based upon dress that carries over into real life. He then uses it to justify feeling nervous about seeing young black men in low-slung jeans and hoodies, claiming it’s not ‘racist’, before arriving at his original point. That point is — if you dress immodestly someone is going to think you are immediately available. But he claims he’s not saying that they should be raped. Yeah, right, subtext is everything, dude.

To use an offbeat analogy, it is also true that nothing justifies holding up a taco stand and shooting the clerk. But it is possible to hold this position while also maintaining that a taco stand ought not to advertise that they are selling sushi when they are in fact not selling sushi at all. And if that was the fact that made the shooter mad. So that principle is clear?

A chaste but foolish young woman does not deserve to be assaulted. Of course not. But she does deserve to hear an admonition from her favorite aunt. She does need to hear a caution from her husband. She does need to have a couple of embarrassing situations from which she might gather some wisdom. And the fact that we are being deliberately shaped and catechized into our incoherence by our entertainment habits can be seen in this simple fact. If someone maintains that a foolishly dressed woman deserves anything at all, even if only mild embarrassment when her aunt talks to her, this is represented as being tantamount to the claim that getting raped would be nothing but her just deserts. Which is crazy.

The problem I am addressing here is the incoherence of an entire generation that wants to be something or someone else, at their leisure, at their will, while never having to pay any kind of cost for being that something or someone else. It is all part of our generation’s revolt against maturity.

This is the image that Wilson used to illustrate this tripe:

Prejudice-Book-Cover

…which I cannot find the original creator of this image but suspect it comes from a very funny site named Pulp The Classics. I suppose in the Doug Wilson version of the world we’re supposed to draw the assertion that Mr. Darcy is a womanizing bad boy because he’s smoking a cigarette?

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Saraquill

    In other words, he doesn’t want to take responsibility for being an awful human being.

  • Dougie, does this mean if you act like a complete douchewad, I’m allowed to smack you in the face with a dead carp? Just asking.

  • Saraquill

    For shame. Choose a fish with scratchier skin, like a shark or blowfish.

  • Mel

    Only if the dead carp is an Asian Jumping Carp since the average adult weight is 30-40 pounds.

  • Mel

    The Botkin Sisters tried to make this same argument and failed on the same lines: The Bible is pretty blunt that actions – not perceptions – are how people should be judged.

    The Bible is also clear enough that rape is the fault of the attacker not the victim.

    (The section in Leviticus that requires a victim to cry out IN THE CITY is a moot point in modern life. In those times, sound proofing – or even sound muffling – was not possible plus there were a lot of people living in close proximity. IOW, if you screamed, there would be a bunch of women and children in your house in seconds. When the attack happened in areas where the victim would be at risk if she cried out like in the country or fields, the Bible doesn’t require her to risk her life by yelling for help.)

    Again, did Doug just imply that an unchaste woman deserves to be raped? Probably – he’s that level of sick.

  • bekabot

    Whom the gods would destroy, they first render talkative. As I read it, Doug Wilson has just given all of us permission (in fact he’s given everybody in the world permission) to judge him by appearances.

    Unwontedly thoughtful. Game on.

  • Mirella222

    No, it is not “crazy” to equate believing that her aunt/husband/etc should shame her for dressing “immodestly” with believing that women who dress “immodestly” deserve to be raped. The fact is, slut shaming (which is what those admonitions are) reinforce our cultural ideas about rape. They reinforce the idea that women who wear short/tight/revealing clothing are doing something risky and/or morally wrong, and that they are unworthy of respect. This, in turn, promotes victim blaming (because people will blame the assault on what she was wearing), and also discourages the victim telling anyone (because she is afraid that they’ll just blame her and her clothes for the attack). In other words, if you go around shaming women’s clothing choices, you are essentially telling the women in your life that you are not a safe person to go to if they are ever assaulted, and you are promoting cultural ideas about rape being a result of fashion choices.

  • SAO

    In short, if a woman has a nice figure and she doesn’t want to sweat in winter clothes when it’s over 80 outside, she’s making herself the target of rapists.

  • texcee

    I don’t care if you walk down the street naked (which I don’t recommend because you’ll get arrested), that is still no license for a man or men to rape you. There’s such a thing as self-control, guys. Fundie men all seem to be ruled by their dicks. Sheesh.

  • Allison the Great

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  • Allison the Great

    Choose something poisonous!

  • Just for a minute, I want to go back to that taco stand. Because, really Doug, you are not helping your cause.

    To use an offbeat analogy, it is also true that nothing justifies holding up a taco stand and shooting the clerk.

    So far, so good. I think we are all in agreement.

    But it is possible to hold this position while also maintaining that a taco stand ought not to advertise that they are selling sushi when they are in fact not selling sushi at all.

    Does this actually happen a lot? Okay, taco stands ought not to advertise they are selling sushi if they are not selling sushi, but I suspect that is not the reason people hold up taco stands. I suspect that if they do, it’s because a cash business with poor security makes a very tempting target, and it’s hard not to be that if you are a taco stand.

    And if that was the fact that made the shooter mad. So that principle is clear?

    What principal? Is there a principal in all that mess? Even if the shooter was mad he couldn’t get sushi at the falsely advertising taco stand, that’s what Yelp reviews are for. Thats what using your words and saying, “This sign says you also sell sushi. Is that correct?” is for. That’s not what guns are for. Besides, even if the shooter said he was angry because he was deceived into thinking the taco stand sold sushi, I would tend to suspect the shooting really had more to do with who runs taco stands and how some people view them.

    So, no, our mythical sushi advertising taco stand sheds no light on clothing choices. It does shed some light on Doug’s view of impulse control and problem solving skills, in a way to make one think that his advice on women’s clothing is not likely to be of any value, either.

  • AFo

    Again, all the pressure is on the woman to be perfect, while the men can be animals. I’m sure Doug would try to talk around this, but if he taught his sons and young male parishoners some self-control regarding women, he wouldn’t have to “worry” about his daughters and female parishoners getting raped for showing a little shoulder. (And yes, I put worry in sarcastic air quotes because we all know that what Doug’s most worried about is his reputation potentially getting “tainted” if something like this goes public).

  • Julia Childress

    Here is something that has been on my mind a lot lately. Let’s say your neighbor buys a nice, shiny new car. Would you presume to request that he should keep that car in the garage because your husband might be tempted to covet it? Let’s say your boyfriend’s co-worker got the coolest new tablet, the one he’s wanted for a while. Would you presume to ask him not to leave it lying around on his desk because boyfriend might be tempted to steal it? Let’s say that REI opens its first store in your area and your husband is crazy about camping gear. Would you presume to implore REI not to open on Sundays because hubs might be tempted to violate keeping the Sabbath holy? No, no and no. Why is it that men are expected to control themselves and their impulses in these, and other, situations, but when it comes to lust, rape, adultery. etc., they look to someone else to be responsible for their behavior?

  • paganheart

    Fundie men, I have concluded, are not men. They are mental five-year-olds trapped in adult bodies.

  • Nea

    The commandment says “Don’t covet,” not “tell,what you covet to put on a longer, looser skirt.”

  • Aimee Shulman

    It also says “I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a girl.” Funny how the idea of resolving not to go around perving on attractive women, rather than shaming the attractive women for daring to be attractive in public, is NEVER brought up by these guys, even though it’s plenty Biblical.

  • B.A.

    Like Trump? :p

  • paganheart

    Precisely.

  • Actually, from the videos I’ve seen, they do a pretty good job of smacking people all by themselves.

  • Delilah Hart

    The analogy about the taco stand is the most effed up thing I’ve read in a long time.

    And judging books by their covers can be very dangerous. After all, Ted Bundy was able to bait his prey precisely because he looked harmless.

  • texassa

    Dear Christian Men: please get over yourselves. Nobody cares about your boner, your opinion of your boner, and your boner’s opinion of the world.