Quoting Quiverfull: Childhood Vaccinations Cause Chronic Illnesses Like Diabetes?

Quoting Quiverfull: Childhood Vaccinations Cause Chronic Illnesses Like Diabetes? May 27, 2017

quotingquiverfullby Nancy Campbell from Above Rubies – A Must Read

Editor’s note: This is one of those horrid things that homeschooling Quiverfull people promote that exposes everyone to harm. In the unquoted bits Nancy says it’s just no big deal if your children contract something like measles or mumps because they will heal from it. Oh yeah? Let’s ask those folks who’ve lost a child to a common illness that there are available vaccines for. And no, Nancy, diabetes, Tourettes, allergies, anxiety and asthma are not caused by vaccination! She twists that recent measles outbreak at Disneyland by saying it was all adults who’s vaccinations had worn off.

Here is a little quote from this longer article:
“Something is wrong with America’s children. They are sick – allergic, asthmatic, anxious, autoimmune, autistic, hyperactive, distracted and learning disabled. Thirty-two million American children – a full 43% of them – suffer from at least one of 20 chronic illnesses not including obesity. Across the board, once rare pediatric disorders from autism and ADD to Type 1 diabetes and Tourette’s syndrome is soaring, though few studies pool the data. Compared to their parents, children today are four times more likely to have a chronic illness. And while their grandparents might never have swallowed a pill as children, the current generation of kids is a pharmaceutical sales rep’s dream come true: More than one million American children under five years old takes a psychiatric drug. More than 8.3 million kids under 17 have consumed psychiatric drugs, and in any given month one in four is taking at least one prescription drug for something.

A pilot study of 666 homeschooled six to 12-year-olds from four American states published on April 27th in the Journal of Translational Sciences, compared 261 unvaccinated children with 405 partially or fully vaccinated children, and assessed their overall health based on their mothers’ reports of vaccinations and physician-diagnosed illnesses. What it found about increases in immune-mediated diseases like allergies and neurodevelopmental diseases including autism, should make all parents think twice before they ever vaccinate again.

It’s important to research rather than just follow the crowd, isn’t it?

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • pagankitty

    Oh that fucking study. That study that keeps getting retracted for its methodological problems and republished in other predatory pay-to-publish journals.

    FYI. If you do your study in a methodologically sound way you get studies like the one in Germany (in 13000 kids) where they found no difference in allergies/autism/asthma rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated kids.

    Also. Would LOVE to see the source on 1 million kids under 5 taking psychiatric drugs. Because I’m a bit skeptic of those numbers.

  • Saraquill

    Gorram bigot. Talk like that is why people think it’s a good idea to force electric shocks and bleach enemas on autistic people, not to mention defending parents who kill their disabled children.

  • Nea

    It’s important to research rather than just follow the crowd, isn’t it?

    Yes. It is. That’s why rather than follow the blind crowd going “it says what I want to hear, so it must be right!” it is important to research.

    Here’s a good bit of research absolutely anyone can try at home right now. Find the two states with the strictest childhood vaccination laws, the ones that allow absolutely no exceptions except medical ones diagnosed by an actual doctor. (They exist.) Then find the two states with the most lax set of childhood vaccination laws, the ones that allow for exceptions for all kinds of things (they also exist.)

    Now compare the rates of childhood diseases and chronic diseases reported in all four of those states. I’ll wait. The evidence goes back for decades, so make sure that you don’t just sample a single year or two – go alllllll the way back and see that the rates of chronic diagnoses are surprisingly the same in all 4 states.

    Wasn’t that fun? Let’s try a new one. Remember the “Disney measles”? It’s possible to go back and research the newspapers to view in real time how a single case in California became hundreds of cases all over the US and Canada. I mean, you can literally watch the wave spread out over time just from the newspapers.

    Oh, but let’s not neglect your original research. You know, the research above that you were smart enough to do. Remember those four states? It might be VERY instructive indeed to see how many measles cases hit the lax states vs the strict states.

    Actually, I can spot you some of that research. The two states that have the strictest rules had 0 cases of “Disney measles.” Zero. Nada. Zilch. None.

    Why, It’s almost like looking at reality actually proves that vaccination rates don’t affect chronic diseases but do eliminate the diseases vaccinated against!

  • Anonyme

    There must be strict regulations on giving any child, let alone toddlers, psychiatric drugs. For all its faults, the FDA does a fairly good job when it comes to protecting children.

  • Anonyme

    I’ll show myself out the door. As an “autistic” person (nice labeling, Nancy) I am not fit to live in society, apparently.
    But after I find out why I’m on the autism spectrum yet never had routine childhood vaccinations.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Not necessarily. When I was still a social worker in my last position at a children’s residential treatment center most of the children were on multiple psychiatric drugs, many that aren’t cleared for use in children. The age range of the children was between 4 years old to 14 years old. It was one of the reasons I left, because I felt strongly that the physician was overmedicating the kids.

  • The Jack of Sandwich

    A pilot study of 666 homeschooled six to 12-year-olds from four American states 

    666 children? Sounds like it was the devil at fault.

  • lady_black

    She should be ashamed of herself.

  • AFo

    The only reason Nancy’s unvaccinated kids and grandkids haven’t gotten sick is because they’re kept so isolated and mostly around each other. When you actually participate in society, you are at risk of catching or spreading something if you’re not properly protected. The selfishness of anti-vaxxers makes my blood boil. I really wish New York would get rid of religious and philosophical exemptions and just allow legitimate medical exemptions for school kids. I can’t stand how people with certain beliefs think those beliefs entitle them to special treatment, even if it could harm others. Would Jesus really want others to suffer because some people are more worried about autism than measles?

  • lady_black

    Um… the children were in a residential treatment center. That speaks loud and clear, doesn’t it? They weren’t there for summer camp.

  • Treyarnon

    This insanity frustrates me so much. The one illness I remember most vividly from childhood was measles. I was off school for 3 weeks and huddled in bed with a raging temperature, total aversion to light, struggling to swallow ever water, covered with a rash and very unwell.

    Recovered with no serious side effects, so got off lightly.

    I’d never consider running the risk for my child and made sure she had the full MMR vaccine, it’s a no brainier.

    It’s completely irresponsible and anti-social to risk herd immunity dropping in a community and allowing this to return.

    Edit, added the following.

    Had Mumps too. Not so ill but the sudden and massive swelling in the lymph nodes in my neck made it both difficult and very painful to move my lower jaw. Again, best avoided.

    Yes I am that old, born 1958, so these diseases were endemic during my childhood. I think younger Mums simply don’t realize how unpleasant these illnesses are as they are far less likely to have first hand experience so have become complacent.

  • paganheart

    I’m of the opinion that parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids should be held criminally responsible if their children die from a vaccine-preventable disease, the same way parents who pray over their dying kids rather than seek medical care get charged with child abuse and/or manslaughter (though not nearly often enough…but that’s another rant). I have a nephew who has an immune deficiency disorder and can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons. As far as I’m concerned, if my nephew contracts measles–which could happen because too many right-wing religious freaks and left-wing hippie flakes in his community refuse to vaccinate their own spawn because Jesus and mercury and whatever–and he dies of complications because his system can’t fight off the virus, his parents should have the right to sue all the anti-vaxxer parents in his school for wrongful death, because they are destroying the herd immunity that protects people like my nephew who can’t protect themselves.

    Personal vaccine exemptions should be outlawed, period. Unless you have a valid medical diagnosis that precludes your kids or yourself from getting a vaccine, you should not be able to enroll your kids in school or any other activity that requires proof of immunization, period. Keep your disease-ridden spawn and self away from the rest of us!!!

    My family tree is laden with carnage from the pre-vaccine era. My maternal grandmother lost two babies to whooping cough. My mother watched her childhood best friend die in an iron lung after contracting polio. One of my father’s brothers was left blind, deaf and brain-damaged by complications of measles, and died horribly in an institution. One of my dad’s cousins avoided the mumps in childhood, only to contract it as an adult while he was serving in the military in Korea. The virus attacked his testicles–a very common mumps complication in boys and men–and left him sterile and impotent.

    I fear it is only a matter of time before polio makes a comeback thanks to anti-vaxxer ignorance and arrogance. When anti-vaxxers’ kids are dying horrible polio-related deaths because there is no treatment for the disease, I am sure all their parents will be wailing to the rest of us for sympathy. They’ll get none from me. They dug their own childrens’ graves by refusing to vaccinate them.

    /end rant

  • SAO

    My brother has autism, so I did research before vaccinating my kids. What I discovered: rigorous scientific studies with huge sample sizes (think all the kids in Denmark) showed zero correlation. Studies with small samples, poor methodology and biased researchers show correlations. Let’s not forget that the first researcher to ‘find’ a correlation had a financial interest in destroying trust in the MMR vaccine.

    The other thing is children who died young are often left out of family histories. My great-grandmother gave birth to 14 kids, 7 of which lived past age 5. Nancy, are you sure you know all the children your great-grandparents had? The ones that might have died of measles before your grandparents were born?

    The worst thing about this is it encourages parents to put their kids in danger.

  • Mel

    Pointing out the obvious:
    1) Since un-vaccinated children are often found in families who fail to fully access modern medicine, the fact that vaccinated kids are diagnosed with medical issues at a higher rate is neither surprising nor a bad thing.

    2) The chronic disease numbers were pulled from a real study – but the study was for the purpose of comparing kids who were in public vs. private health insurance outcomes. Nancy’s assumptions are so absurd that I’m going to just do a blog post on it.

  • David in Tucson

    Born in 1953. I got the first (Salk) polio vaccine. In the early 1960s, I got the second (Sabin), oral polio vaccine. Why? My mother had had polio. I got the diphteria, tetanus, whooping cough vaccine early in grade school. I had measles, mumps, rubella (I think), and chickenpox as a young child (I can still see a scar or two from chickenpox)–the vaccines didn’t exist then. I’ve had the flu often enough that I get a flu shot every year–might as well reduce my chances of getting that debilitating illness! I stay up to date on my vaccinations. I have gotten pneumonia vaccine, as well as shingles vaccine (I’ve seen too many people hit by shingles!). Oh, yeah–I’ve had smallpox vaccine a couple of times as a kid–but darned if I can find the characteristic scar….

  • Treyarnon

    I can identify. I vaguely remember the polio and whooping cough vaccinations but it’s pretty vague. Had chicken pox and rubella infections as well but they didn’t have much impact to he honest. My daughter had chickenpox three times, amazingly, but it had so little impact on her and she was running around happily so we ignored it!

    I’ve been very lucky with flu and pneumonia as my lungs are strong, unlike my Mum and sister, who both have regular injections as they both suffer asthma and COPD.

    Shingles, had that, and it’s very painful, but it didn’t amount to much really. I missed the time slot for treatment but it went away on it’s own, although the nerves affected sometimes twinge.

    It’s frustrating that younger generations take don’t take the realize how serious some of these illnesses can be and how lucky they are to have access to vaccination.

  • Anonyme

    Ah, the ‘what I want to hear’ people.
    There are some pro-life folks who refuse to vaccinate their children because “aborted fetuses are used to make vaccines”. They don’t pay attention to the fact that yes, while two cell lines from electively aborted fetuses were used in vaccines several years ago, vaccines today are not literally made from fresh fetuses.
    Luckily I never met one of these types in person. I don’t think I could hold in my disgust. Especially since, when you cut past their “all life is precious” spiel, you realize they’re essentially putting the [non-existent] fetal cells above the well-being of their living, breathing child(ren).

  • B.A.

    Born in 1964. I had the mumps when I was 4 or 5,right before there was a vaccination for mumps. Hurt like hell! I never had the measles,fortunately,but my mom and aunt both did.

  • Nea

    I once watched abortion clinic protesters expose shivering, cold children of their own to standing in a storm while the kids begged to go home in the name of “saving the innocent babies.”

  • B.A.

    My grandmother’s 2 oldest brothers both contracted smallpox at the turn of the last century. The oldest brother died and the other one survived but was left horribly disfigured. One of her aunts died from the flu in 1918. I get a flu shot every year although some of my-co-workers think it’s unnecessary. I ignore them.

  • Saraquill

    Dani Lierow, nee Danielle Crockett was put on addictive antipsychotics when she was in Florida foster care. While she had endured horrific neglect, she was not diagnosed with any psychosis. Due to state bureaucracy, she was forced to go cold turkey on this drug that states weaning off is a must.

    Pound Pup Legacy also has things to say about overmedicated children in state care.

  • Saraquill

    One Jehovah Witness I now is very smug about how she bore false witness to prevent her kid from getting vaccinated, saying her religion is antivax.

  • lady_black

    Foster care isn’t quite the same as a locked psych unit. I don’t know that any anti-psychotic drug is “addictive” even though the instructions may be to wean someone off. Without knowing the specific drug, I would be unable to tell you why weaning off is recommended. However, if the medical authorities recommend gradual reduction in dosage, that’s how it should have been done. Obviously, several somebodies dropped the ball here. This has nothing to do with “state bureaucracy.” Someone was medically in charge of her case, and they fucked up.
    For example (and this isn’t even a psycho-active medication), Prednisone must be tapered off, and being that it’s a corticosteroid and not a narcotic, is certainly NOT “addictive.” It must be gradually tapered off, because sudden decreases in blood cortisol levels result in very unpleasant symptoms, rather like a bad case of the flu.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    It’s not just in state care. The place I worked was privately funded.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I have severe asthma and I’ve learned the hard way why herd protection helps everyone. A bout of whooping cough just about carried me away about ten years ago.

    Have you had the shingles vaccination? My doctor said that it might ease or stop additional bouts and is worth trying to keep the chances of a repeat low.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Great! I knew you would know the real story of the study.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Yes, serious serious problems, but in some cases children were on as many as 5 to 10 daily meds, many of them psych meds not approved for anyone under 12

  • Jim Jones

    Use it or lose it. We all know what this means, but it particularly applies to your immune system. Every one of is is assaulted daily by viruses at a wide range of strengths.

    Fortunately, most attacks are at a level our immune system can deal with. Unfortunately this is not always the case.

    Vaccinations are calculated to give almost all people the maximum dose our system can handle which protects us from almost any future attack, at least for a long time.

    Anyone who thinks this protection is more hazardous than going without it should go to a museum and look at an iron lung.

    60 years in an iron lung: US polio survivor worries about new global threat

  • Jim Jones
  • AFo

    I’ve also heard of doctors falsifying vaccination records to appease anti-vax parents and keep them in the practice. Not sure if that’s true or not, but if it is, those doctors should just burn their licenses. And no one should be bragging about lying or cheating their way through something that could harm their children.

  • Judith

    You should research the shingles vaccine before you have it:

    “Merck & Co. could have a growing Zostavax problem on its hands. After several plaintiffs filed lawsuits claiming the drugmaker’s shingles vaccine caused serious injury and death, attorneys say more cases are on the way.

    Plaintiffs have sued in state and federal courts in Pennsylvania alleging that Merck’s Zostavax—used to prevent shingles, the painful complication of varicella infection—caused serious side effects, including death.

    “I think Merck has failed terribly … to warn about the very serious side effects and the failure of the vaccine to do what they claim it does,” attorney Marc Bern told FiercePharma.

    Bern, founding partner at Marc J. Bern & Partners, said his firm has “thousands of complaints” yet to be filed in Philadelphia, with the injuries running “the gamut from contracting shingles as a result of the vaccine all the way to serious personal injuries such as blindness in one eye, individuals who have serious paralysis in their extremities, brain damage, all the way to death.”

  • Jim Jones

    This is Faye. This is Meningitis.

    “At 9pm on February 14th she finally fell asleep forever. All this in only 11 days.”

  • Jim Jones

    I got shingles a couple of years ago. Mild case fortunately, and an anti-viral helped. Still not fun.

  • Jim Jones

    Ironically it’s just a weakened measles virus. Maybe not weakened enough?

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I had a bad reaction to it and ended up in a hospital for a few days, but…. I still think it was worth a try.

  • Adrian

    Add failure to understand the difference between “rare back then” and “rarely properly diagnosed back then” to Nancy Campbell’s presumably long list of failures…

  • Treyarnon

    Hi, absolutely agree about asthma. I hope you are keeping well as it can be such a scary condition and it’s another disease some people under estimate.

    No I’ve not discussed shingles vaccination. The bout I had was maybe 15 years ago and I’ve had no real recurrence so don’t really worry too much. I might mention it when I next see her.

  • Treyarnon

    Yes, scarily painful if memory serves. In my opinion we need to gently remind younger parents how nasty these illnesses are if they brush them off and show signs of wanting to skip vaccination.

  • AuntKaylea

    I believe the “find” you speak of was proved to be fraudulant and the doctor lost his license.

  • AuntKaylea

    Texas just passed a law that foster parents cannot vaccinate their foster children. (I would think there is a provision for biological parents to give consent.)

  • lady_black

    Actually, they passed a bill, not a law. And it’s unbelievably stupid, and should go nowhere.

  • bekabot

    The only reason Nancy’s unvaccinated kids and grandkids haven’t gotten sick is because they’re kept so isolated and mostly around each other. When you actually participate in society, you are at risk of catching or spreading something if you’re not properly protected.

    CN: maunderings of a suspicious person

    Could it be that what we’re seeing here is another one of those things which look like features to Evangelicals, though to most people they’d present themselves as bugs? I mean, if you wanted to keep your kids isolated, and if you wanted to prevent them from mixing with the larger herd, and if (to get them to stick to the religion/community of their birth and not to wander physically away from it) you told them God would smite them with illness if they ever left, then just not vaccinating them and then waiting for them to get sick when/if they do leave is not a bad tactic. Not all such people will fall ill, but some are bound to, and when they do, the leaders of the community can point the finger and say: “We told you so; we warned you that God would get mad at you and bring you down with {fill in the blank} if you ever deserted Him; and see where in this case and that case and in this other case everything we predicted came true. So listen to us next time; we know what we’re talking about.”

    This could prove to be a pretty effective deterrent, especially since the adult versions of childhood illnesses are usually more severe than they are when kids get them, and can lead to disability and death.

  • smrnda

    Is there a link to this study they’re citing? O wait, here is a critique from scienceblogs


    On the whole idea that kids used to be generally ‘healthy’ and that, all of a sudden, they are getting diseases we never heard about in the past is absurd. The past was generally more authoritarian. Kids who complained about sickness or discomfort or not liking certain foods were violently assaulted by grownups for presenting an inconvenience. Kids who today we identify with having specific learning disabilities were deemed either ‘stupid’ or ‘slow’ or ‘lazy’ and just given Fs or essentially warehoused away from ‘normal’ kids. There have been increases in some (at least where we have data) but we have no idea how many kids with autism were just viewed as ‘problem kids’ and neglected in the past.

    This is like suggesting that nobody in the past had depression since nobody diagnosed it or handed out anti-depressants.

  • smrnda

    I’m wondering, how many kids have undiagnosed medical problems because their parents don’t believe in them?

  • SAO

    Yes, it took years. The main doctors in the US warning of an autism-vaccine connection also were making money off of their scare mongering.
    Unfortunately, Nancy doesn’t understand science and neither knows nor cares about the difference between a study with rigorous scientific methods and a biased study designed to produce a specific result.

  • SAO

    Kids who had serious problems were sent to state institutions. Among other things, schools wouldn’t educate the handicapped. In the 50s and early 60s, parents of kids were often told to put their handicapped kid in an institution and forget them. Outside of institutions, there were no services, so even parents who didn’t want to warehouse their kids often had no choice. Few institutions allowed parents to visit (because they were horrific).

    My parents devoted years to lobbying to change laws so my brother could live at home. I’ve occasionally met people who learned as adults that they had a handicapped sibling they never met. But their friends and neighbors didn’t know. The handicapped were not seen and not talked about. My friends and neighbors met my brother when, after 8 years at an elite institution, he could finally live at home.

  • Judith

    Shouldn’t the well paid fat cats in the government be doing a vaccinated/unvaccinated study? They have refused to do this so far. Thanks for the homework but people pay taxes for this sort of thing.

    Using the MedAlerts search engine, which facilitates an online search of the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database, as of March 3rd, 2016 there have been 7692 serious adverse events Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in connection with measles vaccine since 1990, with over half of those occurring in children three years old and under. Of these events 397 were deaths with over half of the deaths occurring in children under three years of age. Adverse events following MMR vaccination reported to VAERS include:

    lupus (autoimmune connective tissue disorder);
    Guillain-Barre syndrome (inflammation of the nerves);
    aseptic meningitis (inflammation of the lining of the brain);
    cardiomyopathy (weakening of the heart muscle);
    hypotonic-hyporesponsive episodes (collapse/shock);
    subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE);
    ataxia (loss of ability to coordinate muscle movements);
    parathesia (numbness, burning, prickling, itching, tingling skins sensation indicating nerve irritation)
    Transverse Myelitis
    Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM)


  • Judith

    Unfortunately Treyarnon – the mumps vaccine is very ineffective and you risk severe side effects from the MMR vaccine:

    “While more people opting out of vaccination could be behind the increase, scientists have another theory, according to STAT News.

    The vaccine is made with a strain of mumps that is no longer seen clinically. In lab tests, it appears that it still provokes an antibody response that protects against today’s version of the disease. But that’s not a sure thing.


    “87% of twice vaccinated children contracted mumps

    An outbreak of mumps in theUnited States between 2009and 2010 occurred mostly in children who had been vaccinated, according to a study published today in theNew England Journal of Medicine (NEJM). During the outbreak, 3,502 cases were reported over a one-year period. The outbreak began inJune 2009 in New Jersey, New York City and New York State’s Orange and Rockland counties. The source of the mumps outbreak was a camp in the Catskill Mountains.

    Researchers from the involved state health departments and the Centers for Disease Control and Preventionstudied 1,648 of those cases. The researchers found that 89 percent had received the recommended two doses of mumps vaccine. The outbreak was traced to one of the camp partcipants, an 11-year-old boy who also received two doses of the mumps vaccine but still contracted the disease.”

    To read the NEJM study, go to:http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1202865

    “According to the whistleblowers’ court documents, Merck’s misconduct was far-ranging: It “failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment describe herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing.”


  • Judith

    One of the chief authors of the Denmark study was Poul Thorsen. He turned out to be a crook. The study itself was heavily criticised by the Cochrane Group – one of the most respected independent organisations in the world.

    THORSEN successfully promoted the idea of awarding the grant to Denmark and provided input and guidance for the research to be conducted. From 2000 to 2009, the CDC awarded over $11 million to two governmental agencies in Denmark to study the relationship between autism and exposure to vaccines, between cerebral palsy and infection during pregnancy, and between childhood development and fetal alcohol exposure. In 2002, THORSEN moved to Denmark and became the principal investigator for the grant, responsible for administering the research money awarded by the CDC.

    Once in Denmark, THORSEN allegedly began stealing the grant money by submitting fraudulent documents to have expenses supposedly related to the Danish studies be paid with the grant money. He provided the documents to the Danish government, and to Aarhus University and Odense University Hospital, where scientists performed research under the grant. From February 2004 through June 2008, THORSEN allegedly submitted over a dozen fraudulent invoices, purportedly signed by a laboratory section chief at the CDC, for reimbursement of expenses that THORSEN claimed were incurred in connection with the CDC grant. The invoices falsely claimed that a CDC laboratory had performed work and was owed grant money. Based on these invoices, Aarhus University, where THORSEN also held a faculty position, transferred hundreds of thousands of dollars to bank accounts held at the CDC Federal Credit Union in Atlanta, accounts which Aarhus University believed belonged to the CDC. In truth, the CDC Federal Credit Union accounts were personal accounts held by THORSEN. After the money was transferred, THORSEN allegedly withdrew it for his own personal use, buying a home in Atlanta, a Harley Davidson motorcycle, and Audi and Honda vehicles, and obtaining numerous cashier’s checks, from the fraud proceeds. THORSEN allegedly absconded with over $1 million from the scheme.


  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Warning! Do NOT bash government workers here. My husband is a retired federal worker, with a high education level. I know so many federal employees here in the Greater DC/VA/MD area and most of them are high-performing professionals that have had to deal with the lie that conservatives push that they are all scamming lazy jerks riding on easy street. I cannot tell you the times that his branch of the Dept. of Labor could not even get office supply budget from the government and how many times many of us have had to BUY our workers basic office supplies to keep doing their job! Positions have been eliminated and a heavier work load piled on people that could be taking their advanced degrees and work experience into private industry and make much more money, but they feel strongly for the most part that they are performing essential duties for the people of America. Disgusting fake idea being pushed by the Evangelical churches.

  • Judith

    Re the German Kiggs study you refer to:

    Firstly, even though the sample size was extremely large, the unvaccinated represented a very small fraction of it, 94 children,which makes it impossible to do any meaningful statistics on things such as autism which has a prevalence rate of roughly 1 in 110. Secondly, it is possible that at least some of the children for whom no record of vaccination existed might have still received a vaccine which went unrecorded. Thirdly, a lot of the data was based on a survey, which relied on parent’s memories, thus it is possible that prevalence rates may have been under, or over, reported. Fourthly, the survey did not ask for date of disease onset, therefore some vaccinated children could have gotten sick before being vaccinated and still be included in the vaccinated prevalence data.

    However it did show that Asthma, hay fever and neuro dermatitis were much less amongst the unvaccinated. As I say -auto immune disease is the elephant in the room. Vaccines stimulated the TH2 immune system which is related to auto immune disease.

    Asthma, hay fever and neurodermatitis are seen very frequently today. A recent German study with 17461 children between 0-17 years of age (KIGGS) showed that 4.7% of these children suffer from asthma, 10.7% of these children from hay fever and 13.2% from neurodermatitis. These numbers differ in western countries, i.e. the prevalence of asthma among children in the US is 6% whereas it is 14-16% in Australia (Australia’s Health 2004, AIHW).

    The prevalence of asthma among unvaccinated children in our study is 0.2%, hay fever 1.5% and neurodermatitis 2%.

    According to the KIGGS study more than 40% of children between the ages of 3 and 17 years were sensitized against at least one allergen tested (20 common allergens were tested) and 22.9% had an allergic disease. Although we did not perform a blood test, less than 10% stated that their children had an allergy.


    A German study released in September 2011 of about 8000 UNVACCINATED children, newborn to 19 years, show vaccinated children have at least 2 to 5 times more diseases and disorders than unvaccinated children.


  • Brooke Dunne


    A six year-old indictment for misappropriating grant money. Probably worth mentioning, although authorities in Denmark investigated, Thorsen was never arrested, never convicted.

    In other words, other than a bucket of b.s., do you have anything to show the Madsen (2002) study was wrong? No, you don’t.

  • Judith

    Are people aware of the contaminants in vaccines? I do wonder is it because vaccine manufacturers have absolutely no liability for their products and cannot be sued. You have to sue the government through the vaccine court which has paid out over 3.5 billion.

    It isn’t just the mercury that is in third world vaccines and flu vaccines – the neurotoxic aluminium, animal and human cells DNA and dozens of other questionable ingredients which are listed. Look for yourself what is in the vaccines you receive


    It is also the unlisted nasties which are in vaccines:

    Researchers examining 44 samples of 30 different vaccines found dangerous contaminants, including red blood cells in one vaccine and metal toxicants in every single sample tested – except in one animal vaccine.

    Using extremely sensitive new technologies not used in vaccine manufacturing, Italian scientists reported they were “baffled” by their discoveries which included single particles and aggregates of organic debris including red cells of human or possibly animal origin and metals including lead, tungsten, gold, and chromium, that have been linked to autoimmune disease and leukemia.

    This article was originally published on Children’s Medical Safety Research Institute

    Recent glass shards found in infant vaccines was ignored by government and the vaccines were not recalled.

    There is the potential for drugs administered intravenously that contain these fragments to cause embolic, thrombotic and other vascular events (e.g., phlebitis); and, when administered subcutaneously, to lead to development of foreign body granuloma, local injection site reactions, and increased immunogenicity.[5]


    Vaccines manufactured using human fetal cells contain residual DNA fragments (50-500 bp) (Table I). It is possible that these contaminating fragments could be incorporated into a child’s genome and disrupt normal gene function, leading to autistic phenotypes. In this study we demonstrate foreign DNA uptake in human cells and genomic integration by incubating the cells with Cy3-labeled human Cot1 (placental) DNA fragments which represents contaminating residual human fetal DNA in vaccines.

    A measles vaccine was found to contain low levels of the retrovirus avian leukosis virus

    Rotateq, Merck’s rotavirus vaccine, was found to contain a virus similar to simian (monkey) retrovirus

    Rotarix (GlaxoSmithKine’s rotavirus vaccine) was found to contain “significant levels” of porcine cirovirus 1

    So in their tests, nearly 40 percent of the vaccines they tested contained viral contaminants. The implications of these findings on the alleged safety of the vaccine supply remains to be seen, but clearly there is contamination occurring that was a complete surprise to researchers, health officials and vaccine manufacturers alike.


  • Judith

    I am sure there are many excellent people working for the government – it is the people at the top that hold the power.

  • Judith

    Jim – the vaccine is actually increasing shingles:

    As you get older your natural immunity gets asymptomatically “boosted” as you contact people who are recovering from chickenpox. This natural “boosting” of natural immunity to the varicella (chickenpox) virus helps protect you from getting shingles later in life.

    A Hug from a grandchild who is recovering from chickenpox can provide a natural immune boost for children and adults. Scientists always try to improve human biology but they fail. The dance between chickenpox and shingles is a perfect example

    Washington Post article reported that, in another outbreak, 75 percent of the children who came down with chickenpox had previously been vaccinated for it!

    The incidence of adult shingles has increased by 90 percent from 1998 to 2003, following the release of the chickenpox vaccine for mass use. Shingles results in three times as many deaths and five times as many hospitalizations as chickenpox, and accounts for 75 percent of all medical costs associated with the varicella zoster virus.8

    We would have been far better off if the chickenpox vaccine had never been invented, because virtually everyone was naturally immune to the disease.

    “In the U.S., the incidence of shingles is actually increasing,” says Dr. Jeffrey Cohen, an infectious disease researcher at NIH. “If you live to be 85 years old, you have a 50% chance of getting shingles.”

    New research published in the International Journal of Toxicology (IJT) by Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D., reveals high rates of shingles (herpes zoster) in Americans since the government’s 1995 recommendation that all children receive chicken pox vaccine.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Judith, you are skating on very thin ice with the asthma claim. It runs in my family. Many of us were born with it well before the few vaccines were available and certainly well before the point where children start receiving vaccinations. I’ve done lots of research through the years on it. I’m a patient at the NIH and Johns Hopkins Asthma and Allergy project. I’ve been on many drug trials through both places and they’ve pretty much run out of many drugs to treat me with.

    Also, having a damaged immune system, like asthma, like cancer, like diseases treated with immunio suppressants such as rheumatoid arthritis , makes a person very susceptible to contracting childhood illnesses that may or may not cause long term problems for children. For someone with compromised immune systems. the elderly, and babies too young to vaccinated it can be a life threatening event to pick up one of those common illnesses from some selfish unvaccinated child. It’s a selfish and entitled act to put the entire population at risk.

  • Judith

    Ok Brook send me the links that show Thorsen has been cleared of stealing 1 million dollars from the CDC – he is still wanted. The CDC has failed to bring him to justice because they are scared he will uncover corruption.

  • Judith

    A population-based study of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination and autism (2002)

    Authors: Madsen KM, Hviid A., Vestergaard M., Schendel D, Wohlfahrt J, Thorsen, P.

    Study’s flaws: The data presented by the researchers in their findings is inconsistent, calling into question their entire methodology. Table 1 reports 269 vaccinated children with autistic disorder and 47 unvaccinated children with autistic disorder. Table 2 reports 263 vaccinated children with autistic disorder and 53 unvaccinated children with autistic disorder. Using one set of numbers instead of the other changes the results from slightly less than a relative risk of 1 to slightly more, when the vaccinated cohort is compared to the unvaccinated. That their findings are based on inconsistent data should be enough for credible reporting on vaccinations to not cite the study. Also, the authors themselves admit that this type of study does not rule out that a subpopulation could be vulnerable to the MMR vaccine as presented in the 1998 Lancet study.

    Conflicts of interest: This study was funded by the National Immunization Program (NIP) at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which had a vested financial interest in increased uptake of the MMR vaccine, as it directly bought the vaccine from Merck and distributed it for reimbursement to the states’ public health departments. Also, one of the co-authors of the study, Dr. Diana Schendel, was a CDC employee at the time of publication. In addition, three of the co-authors (Dr. Mads Melbye, Mr. Jan Wohlfahrt, and Mr. Anders Hviid) were employees of Staten Serum Institut, a for-profit company that manufactures and distributes vaccines in Denmark.


  • Brooke Dunne

    From your link, “A White Paper by Brian S. Hooker, and the Alliance for Natural Health USA”

    Well, who is Brian Hooker?

    A fraud

    and a documented liar

    Funny that you think this guy, a liar and a fraud, is a credible source. Any criticism he has of other, valid research is not even worth consideration.

  • paganheart

    Very true. My mom had a brother who was described by everyone in their family as just being “not right in the head.” I never met him–he died in his early twenties, long before I was born–but everything I have heard about him makes me suspect he was autistic. Doubtful that anyone in dirt-poor Appalachia in the 1940s and 50s even knew what that was.

  • Brooke Dunne

    LOL. That’s not how it works. In this country, a man is innocent until proven guilty. The burden is on the accuser. The CDC isn’t responsible for catching him, charging him, or trying him. Your nutty conspiracy nonsense is just that.

    For what it’s worth, the federal statute of limitations is 7 years. (18 U.S.C. 1031) This one is going on 6 years old.

    Oh, and here’s your wanted man.

    Ironically, Thorsen was an author on a 2014 paper publishing “for the Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development Neonatal Research Network.”

    Hiding in plain sight, as it were.

  • Judith

    Interesting – you defend this vile person and it gives an indication of what kind of person you are and who is feeding you.
    “After the warrant for Poul Thorsen’s arrest was made—the DOJ never submitted the “paperwork” to extradite the Dane, who stole more than $1 million from the CDC in autism research grant money. Why? There was only possible reason. If Thorsen was ever were brought to trial in the U.S., he would point fingers and name names for the corruption he had witnessed and been a part of at CDC. That would include Coleen Boyle and her no link protégé Dr. Diana Schendel, who today works at Thorsen’s old data manipulation lab at Aarhus University in Denmark. And with no extradition of Thorsen, it allowed CDC to continue to cook data and erase any linkages between vaccines and the autism epidemic.”

  • Judith

    Well Brooke why do you think you are actively part of the pharma gang that is trying to destroy Brian Hooker – because he exposed something mainstream media never wanted anyone to know. In fact you rarely ever hear it discussed on TV ever. Mainstream media of course received millions from Big Pharma. This is why you, Pharma and mainstream media hate Brian Hooker.

    Statement from Dr Brian Hooker: “Dr. William Thompson, senior scientist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) contacted me during 2013 and 2014 and shared many issues regarding fraud and malfeasance in the CDC, specifically regarding the link between neurodevelopmental disorders and childhood vaccines. Dr. Thompson and I spoke on the phone more than 40 times over a 10 month period and he shared thousands of pages of CDC documents with me. Eventually, Dr. Thompson turned this information over to Congress via Rep. Bill Posey of Florida. Among the issues discussed in the phone conversations were lies told to the public by the CDC regarding the link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders (including autism) as well as the links between the MMR vaccine and autism in African American males and the MMR vaccine and “isolated” autism. Isolated autism is the term coined by CDC researchers referring to all children who received an autism diagnosis without additional diagnoses of mental retardation, cerebral palsy, visual impairment or hearing impairment.”

  • Judith

    Hi Suzanne – I am sorry you have asthma. I only post because I have a damaged grandchild. One of the problems with vaccines is they do cause auto-immune problems such as asthma.

    There is a massive elephant in the room which is NOT being looked at – very conveniently by the vaccine industry and the government.

    Our children are receiving 36 shots containing 126 vaccines to age 6. At no time in nature would a human get measles, mumps and rubella at the same time plus a battery of toxic adjuvants. Natural immunity deals with one disease at a time. Native immunity emphasises TH1 and pharma products such as vaccines hyper-stimulate the TH2 which is associated with auto immune disease, asthma, lupus etc. The immune system may already be out of balance and it becomes extremely unbalanced when aluminium for instance is put in the system – there is a huge inflammatory response which is what the vaccine is supposed to do as this stimulates the immune system – totally different to what happens if aluminium is ingested. This is called cytokine dominance and instead of TH1 and TH2 immune system working in balance they are bipolar similar to what happens when someone’s brain becomes unbalanced. It can become so unbalanced over time – that the immune system can mistakenly, abnormally, identify you as an invader, one of your organs, one of your tissues.

    Now the problem is there are no studies being done on this. Often the symptoms will appear months, years down the track and studies on vaccines are only done for a few weeks – so you are on your own if your child has auto immune disease. Now of course if there were any studies being done between vaxxed and unvaxxed children we may be able to establish what exactly is happening – there are plenty of unvaxxed children and it could be done restrospectively. The government refuses to do it and I wonder why?? How dare they suggest mandatory vaccines when they have not done the studies to establish safety.

  • Judith

    ” this article by two doctors who compiled data from the national polio surveillance project in India, the head of Rotary International’s national pulse polio committee, and someone from the Health Ministry in India: There is a direct correlation between doses of the live oral polio vaccine and the incidence of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis.

    In the past 13 months, India has reported 53,563 cases of “non-polio acute flaccid paralysis,” giving India the distinction of having the highest rate of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis in the world. Even in other countries that have “polio-free” status, there is a resurgence of polio and that includes India. The live oral polio vaccine is so dangerous, with so many side effects, that it is being phased out. WHO has called on a complete withdrawal of the vaccine by the end of 2016.”

    Two doctors from Delhi’s St Stephens Hospital, Neetu Vashisht and Jacob Puliyel, who compiled data from the national polio surveillance project, found a link between the increase in dosage of polio vaccination and the increasing cases of NPAFP.

    “Most experts will tell you the cases of NPAFP have increased because of better surveillance. This is bunkum,” said Puliyel. “As per global benchmarks, as polio incidence comes down, the rate of NPAFP should also reduce. Instead, AFP cases have been increasing steadily.”

    “In 2010, the government reduced the number of pulse polio doses from 10 to 6. What we found was that between 2010-2013, the number of APF cases also came down. Our paper argues that other kinds of polio are being caused by the excessive administration of polio dosages,” Puliyel said. “Another proof is that states like Kerala and Goa, where dosages were less, AFP cases was also less. Majority of NPAFP cases are reported from Bihar and UP, where several immunization rounds are held to reach universal coverage. These are figures the government does not want to admit.”


  • Brooke Dunne

    Uh huh. I don’t need to destroy Brian Hooker. He did that all on his own.

    The first link I shared above is to Hooker’s fraudulent, retracted “re-analysis” of Thompson’s MMR study. Thompson reviewed and approved Hooker’s phony version, and that’s where the story ended. Well, except for the handful of morons who still think they can fool people with this crap.

    The “CDC Whistleblower” documents: A whole lot of nothing

    I have to ask, and please don’t take this personally. Do you have a learning disability or something?

  • Brooke Dunne

    Oh please. Age of (Lying About) Autism spin.

    The only data manipulation I’ve seen is from Brian Hooker, the very man who’s criticism of other LEGITIMATE research you’re quoting. It’s almost laughable.

    The Special Master called him out on this silliness in the decision in the vaccine court claim for his son. You should read it.

    Hooker v Dept of Health and Human Services, No. 02-472V (2016)

    I don’t really care about the allegations against Thorsen. The man is innocent until proven guilty, and either way, it has no relevance to Madsen’s findings.

  • Treyarnon

    Nowhere did I suggest that there were no risks associated with vaccination, or no benefits from experiencing some childhood diseases. In fact, I support exposing children to dirt in the form of contact with animals,playing in dirt etc. because it protects from Asthma and Allergies.

    However, i note that you have not mentioned the well documented though small risk of hepatitis, squint, meningitis and occasional encepthalitis, apart from the more common risks of laryngitis etc. from Measles.

    Again, there is no mention of how deeply unpleasant any of these diseases are, and as someone who actually had them I think people need to know that before they simply

    No medical decisions are without risk. But people are imagining there’s no price to pay to refusing vaccination. That’s simply not true.


    One final point. The decision not to vaccinate against Measles needs to take into account the impact on other children in the community. The child not receiving the vaccine may come through the disease fine and might accrue long term benefits. But, someone else’s child may contract the disease, and although the risk is very small, may actually die. The parent who decided not vaccinate will probably have no clue this has happened and keep preaching against vaccination because their little darling is OK.

    An ethical dilemma eh?

  • Treyarnon

    “the mumps vaccine is very ineffective and you risk severe side effects from the MMR vaccine:”

    I stated my daughter received the MMR vaccine, probably in about 1990. Reading other articles concerning the accusations against Merck, the efficacy of the Mumps part of the MMR has declined since then.
    You note that the strain of Mumps currently appearing in lab tests differs from that in the MMR so it may be less effective. That may be the case, but according to your previous post, children who get Mumps derive some sort of benefit, so what’s the problem?

    Your statement I’ve copied above is disingenuous.
    It claims “severe risks” from the MMR, but the citations above solely discusses reduced effectiveness in preventing Mumps and cites whistle blowers claims in court papers against Merck. It makes no mention of risks at all, but you sneaked that in.

    Are you seriously still taken in by charlatan Andrew Wakefield and his unsubstantiated claims of a link to Autism? Yes President Trump seems to have reactivated it. but for heavens sake, who’d take his views seriously on science, or anything much for that matter?.

    Wakefield’s theory has been repeatedly debunked e.g

    As a parent obviously you are free to do what you feel is right for your children, as we all are (withing the law). Your children may thank you, or not.

    Meanwhile, I posted a reminder to parents, from someone from an older generation, exactly what these childhood diseases are like if you catch them. I stand by that and refuse to drawn into any further discussion. I’ve better things to do with my time.

  • sabelmouse

    sounds logical, not!

  • sabelmouse

    fascism’s already here!

  • sabelmouse

    i bet you’re not severely autistic. maybe you’ve got aspergers, which should be a separate category?
    also, there are other things than vaccines.

  • sabelmouse

    HOW old are your family members? because a couple of vaccines have been around a while. of course there are other toxins having similar effects.
    also, mind you don’t interact with the vaccinated when you’re vulnerable.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Okay, we’ve been invaded by the anti-vaxxers so I’m closing the discussion. Science deniers merely cause my blood pressure to go up with their claims based on faulty science, This isn’t the place to pitch that battle because it is triggering to many who have left their old faith communities.