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162: Tom Rundel: Jesus Performs and Unauthorized Miracle EPISODE 63

Episode Summary Jesus heals a man born blind using mud and spit a deliberate echo of Genesis 2 and a declaration that the sacred arrives through the physical, not despite it. But the miracle is almost beside the point. The real story is what happens next: a twenty-verse interrogation by the Pharisees who cannot allow this healing to mean what it means, because it would unravel the world they've built. The disciples' first question "Who sinned?" reveals a theology of retribution that places the cause of suffering in the body of the sufferer rather than in the structures that produced it. Jesus dismantles the question entirely: Neither this man nor his parents sinned. With one word neither he breaks open the either/or logic that has defined this man's entire life. We also examine what it means that the man's parents are too afraid to speak, that the formerly blind man ends up being the freest person in the room, and why Jesus' final words to the Pharisees are among the most quietly devastating in all of Scripture: "Since you say you can see, your sin remains." Lent is the season that teaches us how to see not just what to see. This episode is an invitation to ask: what are we most certain about, and could that certainty be the very thing obscuring our sight? Key Themes The theology of retribution and why the church must repent of it Incarnation: why Jesus healed with mud, not just a word The Pool of Siloam and its prophetic significance Power, narrative control, and how systems respond to unauthorized transformation Perceptual confirmation bias as a spiritual condition The freedom of those who have nothing left to lose Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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134a: Let Love Rule: Song Only

134a: Let Love Rule: Song Only

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson conclude their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of Lenny Kravitz's Let Love Rule Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

133a: Subterranean Homesick Alien: Song Only

133a: Subterranean Homesick Alien: Song Only

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of Radio Head's Subterranean Homesick Alien Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

132a: What Are We Afraid Of: Song Only

132a: What Are We Afraid Of: Song Only

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of an original tune Jeremie Wrote. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

131a: Running to Stand Still: Song Only

131a: Running to Stand Still: Song Only

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of U2's Running to Stand Still Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

129a: Freedom: Song Only

129a: Freedom: Song Only

to listen to the full episode with commentary please check out episode 129 Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

128a: How Come: Song Only

128a: How Come: Song Only

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, please listen to episode 128 Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

127a: One Seven Six Song Only

127a: One Seven Six Song Only

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 127 Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

126a: For What It's Worth: Song Only

126a: For What It's Worth: Song Only

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 1256 Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

125a: Fly Like an Eagle: Song Only

125a: Fly Like an Eagle: Song Only

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 125. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

124a: Fault and Responsibility: Song Only

124a: Fault and Responsibility: Song Only

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 124. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

117: Nolan Rundel: The Art of Meaning: Blending Love, Logic, and Liminal Spaces

117: Nolan Rundel: The Art of Meaning: Blending Love, Logic, and Liminal Spaces

Take Aways Life experiences broaden your understanding of meaning. Family significantly impacts one's perspective on life. Cultural and community influences shape personal values. Art and beauty provide a deeper understanding of existence. Navigating societal expectations can be challenging. Authenticity is crucial in personal and professional spaces. External forces can guide life in unexpected ways. Finding the right questions is more important than answers. You must integrate past experiences into your current self. Personal growth involves transcending and including past beliefs. Chapters Introduction and Background Journey to Becoming a Pastor Exploring Life's Meaning The Impact of Family on Meaning Evolving Perspectives on Life Cultural Influences on Meaning Work and Community's Role in Life's Meaning The Role of Love and External Factors The Influence of External Forces on Life The Role of Art and Beauty in Understanding Life Navigating Societal Norms and Personal Authenticity Finding Meaning Through the Right Questions Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

79: Tom Rundel: Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James 1

79: Tom Rundel: Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James 1

Reinterpreting scripture passages can help avoid harmful and wounding interpretations that have been used in a religious and fundamentalist context. Understanding the cultural context in which scripture was written is crucial for interpretation. Every good and perfect gift comes from God, and it is important to recognize and appreciate the goodness in the world. Being quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry can lead to better understanding and more compassionate interactions. Religion should be demonstrated through actions, such as caring for those in need and avoiding power schemes. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

81: Tom Rundel: Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James 2

81: Tom Rundel: Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James 2

Faith without action is dead. The early Christian community emphasized caring for one another's needs. Treating all people equally is important and goes against favoritism. Love for our neighbors and living out the social vision of Jesus is crucial. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

83: Tom Rundel: Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James 3

83: Tom Rundel: Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James 3

The book of James addresses the power of speech and its implications. Teachers in the church are held to a higher standard. Controlling the tongue is crucial for personal and communal integrity. Words can shape perceptions and influence actions. Righteousness is fundamentally linked to justice. Inconsistency in speech reflects deeper issues in the heart. The Moloch principle illustrates the dangers of short-term thinking. Charisma can be a double-edged sword in leadership. Our words can either contribute to justice or injustice. Self-reflection on how we are perceived is essential for growth. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

85: Tom Rundel: Unfudamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James 4

85: Tom Rundel: Unfudamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James 4

n this episode of Non-Fundamentalist Bible Studies, Tom Rundel explores the end of chapter three and the beginning of chapter four of the book of James. He emphasizes the importance of understanding wisdom and knowledge in a non-weaponized context, encouraging listeners to seek genuine wisdom through a beautiful manner of living rather than through superficial appearances. The conversation delves into the nature of true wisdom, the inner conflicts that lead to community disputes, and the necessity of aligning oneself with God through humility and authenticity. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

87: Tom Rundel: Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James 5

87: Tom Rundel: Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James 5

takeaways Tom Rundel reinterprets the Book of James for modern understanding. Suffering is a common experience, not to be glorified. Spiritual bypassing dismisses the reality of suffering. Prayer should be an honest engagement with one's situation. Lament is a significant part of spiritual practice. Community support is crucial for those who are suffering. The role of elders in providing care and support is vital. Healing is not just physical but also emotional and spiritual. Spiritual practices should be integrated into daily life. The church's role is to love and support those in need. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James Ch 5

Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James Ch 5

takeaways Tom Rundel reinterprets the Book of James for modern understanding. Suffering is a common experience, not to be glorified. Spiritual bypassing dismisses the reality of suffering. Prayer should be an honest engagement with one's situation. Lament is a significant part of spiritual practice. Community support is crucial for those who are suffering. The role of elders in providing care and support is vital. Healing is not just physical but also emotional and spiritual. Spiritual practices should be integrated into daily life. The church's role is to love and support those in need. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

Unfudamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James Ch 4

Unfudamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James Ch 4

n this episode of Non-Fundamentalist Bible Studies, Tom Rundel explores the end of chapter three and the beginning of chapter four of the book of James. He emphasizes the importance of understanding wisdom and knowledge in a non-weaponized context, encouraging listeners to seek genuine wisdom through a beautiful manner of living rather than through superficial appearances. The conversation delves into the nature of true wisdom, the inner conflicts that lead to community disputes, and the necessity of aligning oneself with God through humility and authenticity.Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James Ch 3

Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James Ch 3

The book of James addresses the power of speech and its implications. Teachers in the church are held to a higher standard. Controlling the tongue is crucial for personal and communal integrity. Words can shape perceptions and influence actions. Righteousness is fundamentally linked to justice. Inconsistency in speech reflects deeper issues in the heart. The Moloch principle illustrates the dangers of short-term thinking. Charisma can be a double-edged sword in leadership. Our words can either contribute to justice or injustice. Self-reflection on how we are perceived is essential for growth. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James Ch 2

Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James Ch 2

Faith without action is dead. The early Christian community emphasized caring for one another's needs. Treating all people equally is important and goes against favoritism. Love for our neighbors and living out the social vision of Jesus is crucial. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James Ch 1

Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James Ch 1

Reinterpreting scripture passages can help avoid harmful and wounding interpretations that have been used in a religious and fundamentalist context. Understanding the cultural context in which scripture was written is crucial for interpretation. Every good and perfect gift comes from God, and it is important to recognize and appreciate the goodness in the world. Being quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry can lead to better understanding and more compassionate interactions. Religion should be demonstrated through actions, such as caring for those in need and avoiding power schemes. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

Shalom and Salvation

Shalom and Salvation

Shalom is a big word in the Old Testament. It is directly translated as peace into English, but the Hebrew is much larger than an absence of conflict. It is a universal flourishing of all of God's creation. In this podcast series we explore how the roots of the New Testament concept of salvation is rooted in this word: Shalom. When the Old Testament was translated from Hebrew into Greek it took three words to translate Shalom. We will explore these three words and their connection to salvation: peace with God, others, and self. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

5: Jayson Simonson: Deconstruction and Poverty

5: Jayson Simonson: Deconstruction and Poverty

Today I talk to long time friend, Jayson Simonson, Chief Resource Officer of New International. We talk about his deconstruction process and his passion for eliminating poverty. 1:34 his faith story 3:23 Deconstruction and Poverty 10:21 Deconstruction and Spiritual Direction 12:10 Deconstruction and the nature of Truth 14:57 Church Bureaucracy and Truth 17:47 Church Entertainment Machine 21:56 Politicizing Poverty 31:17 Christian Authoritarian Empire 38:40 Row v Wade 41:38 January 6th Insurrection Spirit 48:28 Empowerment vs Power 52:19 Liminal Living Tips 57:24 Sources and Motivations All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: https://soundcloud.com/axletree Voiceover provided by: play.ht Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

42: Alana Levandoski: The Longing is Home

42: Alana Levandoski: The Longing is Home

S3 E1: Alana Levandoski: The Longing is Home Welcome to season 3 of the Liminal Living podcast. And today we talk with spiritual teacher, artist, and musician, Alana Levandoski. Alana has gone on pilgrimages and come back to alchemize her experiences into music. Her perspective is large and her wisdom is deep. On todays episode we talk about the importance of longing within the human soul, and how we embody that longing. Our conversation is broad and deep so buckle up. You can connect with Alanas work at alanalevandoski.com Time Stamps for the episode: 02:34 Pilgrimage and place 07:21 Finding and reclaiming your roots 12:41 Find your people 18:45 Pilgrimage through time in the place you stand 23:13 Healing your soul is changing the world 28:01 Developing a Christ Consciousness 33:18 You cant think your way out of trauma 37:38 A passing age gives birth to another 41:19 Feminine wisdom births Christ into the world 46:49 Escaping the cerebral age without destroying it 49:47 Theologian as Artist 54:00 Leaving the music industry for mysticism 59:06 Learning from Thomas Merton and James Finley 59:06 Do the work 1:09:08 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

99: Jeremy Steele: The Skeptic Pastor, Balancing Faith and Doubt

99: Jeremy Steele: The Skeptic Pastor, Balancing Faith and Doubt

takeaways Jeremy identifies as a skeptic pastor, balancing doubt and faith. Choosing beliefs that promote love and acceptance is crucial. The role of a pastor is to help people connect with the divine. Deconstruction is a lifelong process of questioning inherited beliefs. The damage caused by rigid belief systems is often pervasive. Philosophy and theology are distinct fields with different tools. Authenticity in spirituality can lead to personal growth. Spiritual beliefs can provide mental health benefits. The importance of critical thinking in faith matters. Community and shared mythology are essential in religious contexts. Apologetics can be harmful and create a combative view of faith. Faith should not be positioned as something under attack. Teaching apologetics can lead to indoctrination into narrow viewpoints. The Lord, Liar, Lunatic argument is a false dichotomy. Churches often prioritize institutional survival over genuine faith. Control and manipulation are central to maintaining religious institutions. Skepticism can coexist with pastoral roles in certain denominations. Community can thrive outside traditional church structures. Honesty about doubts is essential in spiritual discussions. Personal experiences shape one's understanding of faith and belief. Links: https://jeremy-steele.com/links https://www.tiktok.com/@skeptic.pastor https://jeremy-steele.com/suck-book Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jeremy Steele: The Skeptic Pastor, Balancing Faith and Doubt

Jeremy Steele: The Skeptic Pastor, Balancing Faith and Doubt

takeaways Jeremy identifies as a skeptic pastor, balancing doubt and faith. Choosing beliefs that promote love and acceptance is crucial. The role of a pastor is to help people connect with the divine. Deconstruction is a lifelong process of questioning inherited beliefs. The damage caused by rigid belief systems is often pervasive. Philosophy and theology are distinct fields with different tools. Authenticity in spirituality can lead to personal growth. Spiritual beliefs can provide mental health benefits. The importance of critical thinking in faith matters. Community and shared mythology are essential in religious contexts. Apologetics can be harmful and create a combative view of faith. Faith should not be positioned as something under attack. Teaching apologetics can lead to indoctrination into narrow viewpoints. The Lord, Liar, Lunatic argument is a false dichotomy. Churches often prioritize institutional survival over genuine faith. Control and manipulation are central to maintaining religious institutions. Skepticism can coexist with pastoral roles in certain denominations. Community can thrive outside traditional church structures. Honesty about doubts is essential in spiritual discussions. Personal experiences shape one's understanding of faith and belief. Links: https://jeremy-steele.com/links https://www.tiktok.com/@skeptic.pastor https://jeremy-steele.com/suck-book Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

Shalom and Salvation 2

Shalom and Salvation 2

Shalom with God means taking up your cross, crucifying everything from the old creation in order to make way for the new creation and new identity that God has for us. This is the message of John 1-4. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2 E1: Jayson Simonson: Deconstruction and Poverty

S2 E1: Jayson Simonson: Deconstruction and Poverty

Today I talk to long time friend, Jayson Simonson, Chief Resource Officer of New International. We talk about his deconstruction process and his passion for eliminating poverty. 1:34 his faith story 3:23 Deconstruction and Poverty 10:21 Deconstruction and Spiritual Direction 12:10 Deconstruction and the nature of Truth 14:57 Church Bureaucracy and Truth 17:47 Church Entertainment Machine 21:56 Politicizing Poverty 31:17 Christian Authoritarian Empire 38:40 Row v Wade 41:38 January 6th Insurrection Spirit 48:28 Empowerment vs Power 52:19 Liminal Living Tips 57:24 Sources and Motivations All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: https://soundcloud.com/axletree Voiceover provided by: play.ht Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E1: Alana Levandoski: The Longing is Home

S3 E1: Alana Levandoski: The Longing is Home

S3 E1: Alana Levandoski: The Longing is Home Welcome to season 3 of the Liminal Living podcast. And today we talk with spiritual teacher, artist, and musician, Alana Levandoski. Alana has gone on pilgrimages and come back to alchemize her experiences into music. Her perspective is large and her wisdom is deep. On today’s episode we talk about the importance of longing within the human soul, and how we embody that longing. Our conversation is broad and deep so buckle up. You can connect with Alana’s work at alanalevandoski.com Time Stamps for the episode: 02:34 Pilgrimage and place 07:21 Finding and reclaiming your roots 12:41 Find your people 18:45 Pilgrimage through time in the place you stand 23:13 Healing your soul is changing the world 28:01 Developing a “Christ Consciousness” 33:18 You can’t think your way out of trauma 37:38 A passing age gives birth to another 41:19 Feminine wisdom birth’s Christ into the world 46:49 Escaping the cerebral age without destroying it 49:47 Theologian as Artist 54:00 Leaving the music industry for mysticism 59:06 Learning from Thomas Merton and James Finley 59:06 Do the work 1:09:08 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

100: Andrew M Davis: Philosophy, Theology, and the Universe

100: Andrew M Davis: Philosophy, Theology, and the Universe

takeaways The course 'Whitehead's Universe' aims to introduce beginners to process philosophy. Whitehead's thinking is described as a prism, requiring multiple perspectives to understand. Experience is fundamental to both science and spirituality, shaping our understanding of reality. Process philosophy sees the world as fundamentally verb-like, emphasizing becoming over being. God is not static but dynamic, growing and changing with the world. The relationship between God and humanity is reciprocal; we form God through our actions. The need for a new metaphysics that reflects contemporary understanding of the world. Mystery should be honored in both theology and metaphysics, allowing for wonder and exploration. Dynamic perfection suggests that God is ever-evolving rather than static. The Christian tradition is an ongoing process, not a settled doctrine. Metaphysics is fundamentally about human experience. We must honor the mystery within ourselves. Science has its own metaphysical assumptions. The present moment connects the past and future. The church's knowledge is also unfinished. God is the foundation of being and becoming. Supernaturalism is in retreat; ultra-naturalism offers a new perspective. God's presence is not detectable by scientific means. The universe seems fine-tuned for conscious beings. God continuously saves the world from moment to moment. Links: Course: https://www.whiteheadsuniverse.com/ Books: https://tinyurl.com/52bk3fc5 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Andrew-M-Davis Website: https://www.andrewmdavis.info/ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

6: Dr. Paul Jones: Deconstruction Post Pastoring

6: Dr. Paul Jones: Deconstruction Post Pastoring

In this conversation with my dear friend Dr. Paul Jones, we hear his story of deconstruction, burnout, exiting the pastoral world as a profession, abandonment by Christian friends and colleagues, and finding his way through the dark night. 0:48 Introductions 6:02 Life Post Pastor 10:14 Dark Night of the Soul 14:24 Church planting and pressure 19:07 Building the Church Machine 23:36 Ego, Burnout,Boundaries 25:36 Trump, Christian Nationalism 27:02 Depression, Almost Atheist 30:25 Spiritual Direction and Counseling 36:35 Rethinking Church 41:31 Love not Found 47:07 The Unforgivable sin: Trump 52:19 Liminal Living Tips 57:39 Conclusions All music for this episode is provided by Axeltree https://soundcloud.com/axletree Voiceover for this episode is provided by Play.ht Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

43: Dr Emily Smith: Your Friendly Neighborhood Epidemiologist

43: Dr Emily Smith: Your Friendly Neighborhood Epidemiologist

Dr Emily Smith is a PhD epidemiologist whose work has been featured in TIME Magazine, Christianity Today, the Washington Post, and NPR. Dr Emilys profession as an epidemiologist was a natural way to express her Christian values for loving her neighbor. So when the pandemic hit, she was in a unique spot to rally the church together to love their neighbor as the Good Samaritan taught, or so she thought. Expressing her expertise online made her a target, even from her own church members, whom her husband was pastor of. After threats to her children were made, she broke down with debilitating and chronic migraines for 15 months, spending 6 months in bed. When she was well enough, she wrote of her experiences in a published book entitled, The Science of the Good Samaritan. We have an honest conversation about her journey through this time, and her book. You can connect with Dr Emilys work at https://emilysmith.substack.com You can purchase her book at https://rb.gy/94v8jh Time Stamps for the episode: 03:08 Science, Astronomy, and Liminal Space 06:25 Epidemiology and Equity 11:02 Searching for the story behind the data 15:24 White collar violence 20:55 Systemic Racisms historical effect 25:59 Faith over fear what it really points to 31:03 Speaking out and being thirst into liminal space 36:23 The Evangelical machine 41:28 Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism 45:38 Healing in the dirt in the garden 51:05 Thinking globally 56:37 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Shalom and Salvation 3

Shalom and Salvation 3

Shalom is a big word in the Old Testament and the roots of New Testament Salvation dig into this soil. To fulfill the great commandment: Love God, others, and self, we need shalom in all three areas. In this talk we speak of Shalom with self rooted in the concept of New Testament maturity. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2 E2: Dr. Paul Jones: Deconstruction Post Pastoring

S2 E2: Dr. Paul Jones: Deconstruction Post Pastoring

In this conversation with my dear friend Dr. Paul Jones, we hear his story of deconstruction, burnout, exiting the pastoral world as a profession, abandonment by Christian friends and colleagues, and finding his way through the dark night. 0:48 Introductions 6:02 Life Post Pastor 10:14 Dark Night of the Soul 14:24 Church planting and pressure 19:07 Building the Church Machine 23:36 Ego, Burnout,Boundaries 25:36 Trump, Christian Nationalism 27:02 Depression, Almost Atheist 30:25 Spiritual Direction and Counseling 36:35 Rethinking Church 41:31 Love not Found 47:07 The Unforgivable sin: Trump 52:19 Liminal Living Tips 57:39 Conclusions All music for this episode is provided by Axeltree https://soundcloud.com/axletree Voiceover for this episode is provided by Play.ht Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E2: Dr Emily Smith: Your Friendly Neighborhood Epidemiologist

S3 E2: Dr Emily Smith: Your Friendly Neighborhood Epidemiologist

Dr Emily Smith is a PhD epidemiologist whose work has been featured in TIME Magazine, Christianity Today, the Washington Post, and NPR. Dr Emily’s profession as an epidemiologist was a natural way to express her Christian values for loving her neighbor. So when the pandemic hit, she was in a unique spot to rally the church together to love their neighbor as the Good Samaritan taught, or so she thought. Expressing her expertise online made her a target, even from her own church members, whom her husband was pastor of. After threats to her children were made, she broke down with debilitating and chronic migraines for 15 months, spending 6 months in bed. When she was well enough, she wrote of her experiences in a published book entitled, The Science of the Good Samaritan. We have an honest conversation about her journey through this time, and her book. You can connect with Dr Emily’s work at https://emilysmith.substack.com You can purchase her book at https://rb.gy/94v8jh Time Stamps for the episode: 03:08 Science, Astronomy, and Liminal Space 06:25 Epidemiology and Equity 11:02 Searching for the story behind the data 15:24 White collar violence 20:55 Systemic Racism’s historical effect 25:59 Faith over fear… what it really points to 31:03 Speaking out and being thirst into liminal space 36:23 The Evangelical machine 41:28 Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism 45:38 Healing in the dirt in the garden 51:05 Thinking globally 56:37 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

101: Liz Charlotte Grant: Let the Scriptures Breathe

101: Liz Charlotte Grant: Let the Scriptures Breathe

Take Aways Liz became a birth doula after her own experiences with childbirth. The process of becoming a mother can be isolating and taboo. Doulas provide emotional and psychological support during childbirth. Birth is a transformative experience for families, not just individuals. Liz's work as a doula involved helping families navigate their expectations and fears. Women in leadership roles often face unique challenges in church settings. Liz's faith journey involved significant personal and familial dynamics. Therapy played a crucial role in Liz's faith deconstruction. The Bible's interpretation can vary greatly depending on cultural context. Liz's book explores seeking God in Genesis after losing faith in the Bible. Reading Genesis requires a surrender to the story. Ancient texts reflect a deep commitment to preservation. Understanding characters in Genesis offers rich insights. Hagar's story represents themes of liberation and survival. Diverse perspectives enhance our understanding of scripture. The craft of writing ancient texts is complex and laborious. Historical context is important but not the sole focus. The Bible is a collection of voices from marginalized communities. Letting the scriptures breathe allows for deeper engagement. Exploring midrash can reveal hidden meanings in the text. Links: Preorder the book: https://tinyurl.com/mvj7ndh5 Amazon Book: https://tinyurl.com/556zwv4a Web: https://lizcharlotte.com/ Substack: https://tinyurl.com/97n95fzs Elizabeth Elliot Article: https://tinyurl.com/yej3dwe7 Avivah Zornberg Resource: https://www.avivahzornberg.com/books.html Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

7: Jeremie Wilson: Exiting the Faith

7: Jeremie Wilson: Exiting the Faith

Today, I talk with Jeremie Wilson, a great friend, a great musician, a great soul. He shares his experience growing up in the faith as the son of a musical evangelist, his exploration of science with his college degree, his journey into church leadership, seeing how the sausage is made, and his eventual exit of the faith when there was no hospitality to reconcile his understanding of science with the demands of fundamentalist religion. 0:48 Introduction 5:04 Faith upbringing, CCM, Kieth Green 10:06 Stress of art, poverty, and false hopes of God given fame 14:16 Prosperity Gospel, Artistic Insecurity, Success 18:59 The Bible, Justice, Politics, Christian Nationalism 23:38 Systemic Theology, Communal Conformity 27:14 Science and Faith, Young Earth Creationism, Conspiracy Thinking 33:17 At odds with the faith, no space for discussion 38:36 Quiet Quitting the Church 42:27 Trying church again, but with kids 47:30 Deacon to Elder to Board Member 52:51 Excluded 57:13 Overcoming his religious prejudice 59:22 Church as a Club, the Agent Arena Relationship 1:05:34 Art as Healing 1:08:42 My Gay Brother-in-Law 1:13:11 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Voiceover for this episode is provided by Play.ht Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

44: Jason Raitz: Trying to Stay in Church, Post-pastorate

44: Jason Raitz: Trying to Stay in Church, Post-pastorate

When a pastor has experienced both the beauty of a spiritual community, and the hurt and abuse of demands for excellence for nearly 26 years, it is a confusing place to occupy. Jason Raitz and I have been friends for nearly 30 years, walking with each other through the highs and lows of our lives. We have landed in very different places; geographically, socially, theologically. But our lives continue to intersect and enrich each other. Today we have an honest conversation about the liminal space he is in, wondering what role the church plays in his life, and the world. We leave it unresolved, because that is liminal space, and that is reality for most of life. You can connect with Jasons work here: https://www.speakwithpeople.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: 03:10 30 years of friendship 06:42 My conversion story, and Jasons role in it 11:18 A decision to be a pastor, at age 20 15:34 First call to a church, at 20 years old 20:53 Crashing the Ego in a field 25:55 The Pressure of Excellence 30:48 Generosity and Abuse from the same source 36:18 Leaving Willow Creek to plant a church 41:46 Driving the hype train off the cliff 46:33 Leaving the pastorate to start a business 51:20 Deconstructing ecclesially 56:45 Finding a new identity post pastorate 1:02:00 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Shalom and Salvation 4

Shalom and Salvation 4

In our fourth and final installation of the Shalom and Salvation series we explore how the broken shalom of the earth is a reflection of the broken shalom of the human souls found within. We explore, briefly, climate change, social justice, and restoring Shalom: a harmonious interdependence of all parts of God's creation. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2 E3: Jeremie Wilson: Exiting the Faith

S2 E3: Jeremie Wilson: Exiting the Faith

Today, I talk with Jeremie Wilson, a great friend, a great musician, a great soul. He shares his experience growing up in the faith as the son of a musical evangelist, his exploration of science with his college degree, his journey into church leadership, seeing how the sausage is made, and his eventual exit of the faith when there was no hospitality to reconcile his understanding of science with the demands of fundamentalist religion. 0:48 Introduction 5:04 Faith upbringing, CCM, Kieth Green 10:06 Stress of art, poverty, and false hopes of God given fame 14:16 Prosperity Gospel, Artistic Insecurity, Success 18:59 The Bible, Justice, Politics, Christian Nationalism 23:38 Systemic Theology, Communal Conformity 27:14 Science and Faith, Young Earth Creationism, Conspiracy Thinking 33:17 At odds with the faith, no space for discussion 38:36 Quiet Quitting the Church 42:27 Trying church again, but with kids 47:30 Deacon to Elder to Board Member 52:51 Excluded 57:13 Overcoming his religious prejudice 59:22 Church as a Club, the “Agent Arena Relationship” 1:05:34 Art as Healing 1:08:42 My Gay Brother-in-Law 1:13:11 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Voiceover for this episode is provided by Play.ht Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E3: Jason Raitz: Trying to Stay in Church, Post-pastorate

S3 E3: Jason Raitz: Trying to Stay in Church, Post-pastorate

When a pastor has experienced both the beauty of a spiritual community, and the hurt and abuse of demands for excellence for nearly 26 years, it is a confusing place to occupy. Jason Raitz and I have been friends for nearly 30 years, walking with each other through the highs and lows of our lives. We have landed in very different places; geographically, socially, theologically. But our lives continue to intersect and enrich each other. Today we have an honest conversation about the liminal space he is in, wondering what role the church plays in his life, and the world. We leave it unresolved, because that is liminal space, and that is reality for most of life. You can connect with Jason’s work here: https://www.speakwithpeople.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: 03:10 30 years of friendship 06:42 My “conversion” story, and Jason’s role in it 11:18 A decision to be a pastor, at age 20 15:34 First call to a church, at 20 years old 20:53 Crashing the Ego in a field 25:55 The Pressure of Excellence 30:48 Generosity and Abuse from the same source 36:18 Leaving Willow Creek to plant a church 41:46 Driving the hype train off the cliff 46:33 Leaving the pastorate to start a business 51:20 Deconstructing ecclesially 56:45 Finding a new identity post pastorate 1:02:00 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

102: Taylor Thomas: Getting Existential; Tillich, Merton, and Horror Films

102: Taylor Thomas: Getting Existential; Tillich, Merton, and Horror Films

takeaways Taylor is currently fascinated by Nosferatu and its historical context. Nosferatu represents a preconception of vampires before they became romanticized. Horror films often reflect societal anxieties and fears. Taylor's upbringing in Appalachia was marked by a unique blend of faith traditions. A progressive preacher changed Taylor's perspective on Christianity. Thomas Merton's teachings had a profound impact on Taylor's faith journey. Taylor distinguishes between a personal God and a more abstract ground of being. Tillich's philosophy offers a nuanced understanding of divinity. The conversation highlights the tension between traditional and progressive theology. Philosophy encourages exploration of complex questions in faith and existence. Metaphysics is inherently theological, addressing fundamental questions of reality. Existentialism encompasses both religious and atheistic perspectives. Freedom can be both empowering and stifling, leading to anxiety about choices. Justice should be the foundation of societal structures, not religious identity. Thomas Merton's views on capitalism and alienation remain relevant today. Finding meaning often requires looking beyond isolation to community. The rapid advancement of technology poses ethical challenges for humanity. Engaging with our communities is essential for personal fulfillment. Self-reflection is crucial in understanding our beliefs and motivations. A contemplative approach can help us connect with others and find deeper meaning. Links: Insta: https://www.instagram.com/tillich_today/?igsh=bGUwZ2JnMjZmcjVt&utm_source=qr Web: https://taylormariethomas.squarespace.com/ YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/@BYTE-GEIST Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tillich-today/id1725855909 Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

8: Dr David Rice: Grief, Trauma, Transition in Ministry

8: Dr David Rice: Grief, Trauma, Transition in Ministry

Today I talked to Dr. David Rice about his journey into a pastoral role that followed the retirement of a beloved pastor of 33 years. They asked for change, but resisted, while shortly into this position David's father passed away. He learned that change is grief. He stayed for 8 years and left shortly after Covid shutdowns in America subsided. He had no job lined up, was emotionally spent, and moved his whole family to Oxford to weather the liminal season. The breakdown of today's conversation is as follows: 0:48 Introductions 3:20 Church Community in denial of grief 6:31 Loss of Father and personal grief 9:21 Emotional Prosperity Gospel and space to grieve 11:07 Church decline, transition, and grief process 14:43 Power Broker, leadership, boundaries, restraining orders 19:09 Church planting vs Revitalizing 22:51 leaving my pastoral role, skipped sabatical 27:06 Covid, Burnout, Everything Changed 30:49 Trauma, Loss, and Nervous System 36:01 pastoral transitions 40:38 Community, friendship, support outside church 42:18 Vocational Confidence, Gods presence, theological uncertainty 46:44 Liminality and Transformation 50:15 Expectations vs Reality 53:28 Befriending death, mortality, change 57:08 Power, Politics, Ideology, and Anxiety in the Church 1:01:11 Superheroes of the Apocalypse 1:03:18 Liminal Living 1:08:30 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Voiceover for this episode is provided by Play.ht Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

45: Tom Rundel: Why I Left Evangelicalism

45: Tom Rundel: Why I Left Evangelicalism

I get personal today on why I left the Evangelical stream of the faith, but also on why I am still a Christian and a pastor. We explore, historically, what an evangelical is, how fundamentalism took over and partnered itself as a political machine. So I share some of my points of departure, and then go on to share some points of consent, on why I am still in the Christian faith. I also share my vision for something different as a pastor and what I am up to in my neigborhood. Time Stamps for this episode: Time Stamps for the episode: 03:09 A Liminal Age 06:38 4 Characteristics of Evangelicals: 1. Biblicism 11:50 4 Characteristics: 2. Crucicentrism 3. Conversionism 16:55 4 Characteristics: 4. Activism 19:42 The Fundamentalist Shift 24:48 5 Pillars of Fundies: Inerrancy, Virgin Birth, Atonement 29:53 5 Pillars of Fundies: Bodily Resurrection, Historic Miracles 35:26 The Conservative Resurgence of the SBC 40:04 Points of Departure: Inerrancy = authoritarianism 45:32 Points of Departure: Evangelism = Theological Colonialism 49:51 Points of Departure: Hell is the central dogma 53:09 Points of Consent: Why Im still Christian 58:51 Making Christianity huma again 1:03:09 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Chronos Kairos, A Theology of Time 1

Chronos Kairos, A Theology of Time 1

We all live within the confines of time. Time is defined as the progess of existence and events from future into the present and on into the past. Seconds, minutes, hours, days, years, all pass before us and disappear into oblivion never to be seen again. Where did yesterday go? Where is tomorrow stored? If you pinpoint the present moment as one second on a calendar, Time is rushing in and rushing onward without a pause. The Bible calls this: chronos. Everything when looked through this understanding of time is meaningless, as the writer of Ecclesiastes says. But there is a deeper understanding of time, one that is eternal, an understanding that time comes from somewhere, and this somewhere gives meaning. (music by: http://dexterbritain.co.uk/ ) Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2 E4: Dr David Rice: Grief, Trauma, Transition in Ministry

S2 E4: Dr David Rice: Grief, Trauma, Transition in Ministry

Today I talked to Dr. David Rice about his journey into a pastoral role that followed the retirement of a beloved pastor of 33 years. They asked for change, but resisted, while shortly into this position David's father passed away. He learned that change is grief. He stayed for 8 years and left shortly after Covid shutdowns in America subsided. He had no job lined up, was emotionally spent, and moved his whole family to Oxford to weather the liminal season. The breakdown of today's conversation is as follows: 0:48 Introductions 3:20 Church Community in denial of grief 6:31 Loss of Father and personal grief 9:21 Emotional Prosperity Gospel and space to grieve 11:07 Church decline, transition, and grief process 14:43 Power Broker, leadership, boundaries, restraining orders 19:09 Church planting vs Revitalizing 22:51 leaving my pastoral role, skipped sabatical 27:06 Covid, Burnout, Everything Changed 30:49 Trauma, Loss, and Nervous System 36:01 pastoral transitions 40:38 Community, friendship, support outside church 42:18 Vocational Confidence, God’s presence, theological uncertainty 46:44 Liminality and Transformation 50:15 Expectations vs Reality 53:28 Befriending death, mortality, change 57:08 Power, Politics, Ideology, and Anxiety in the Church 1:01:11 Superheroes of the Apocalypse 1:03:18 Liminal Living 1:08:30 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Voiceover for this episode is provided by Play.ht Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E4: Tom Rundel: Why I Left Evangelicalism

S3 E4: Tom Rundel: Why I Left Evangelicalism

I get personal today on why I left the Evangelical stream of the faith, but also on why I am still a Christian and a pastor. We explore, historically, what an evangelical is, how fundamentalism took over and partnered itself as a political machine. So I share some of my points of departure, and then go on to share some points of consent, on why I am still in the Christian faith. I also share my vision for something different as a pastor and what I am up to in my neigborhood. Time Stamps for this episode: Time Stamps for the episode: 03:09 A Liminal Age 06:38 4 Characteristics of Evangelicals: 1. Biblicism 11:50 4 Characteristics: 2. Crucicentrism 3. Conversionism 16:55 4 Characteristics: 4. Activism 19:42 The Fundamentalist Shift 24:48 5 Pillars of Fundies: Inerrancy, Virgin Birth, Atonement 29:53 5 Pillars of Fundies: Bodily Resurrection, Historic Miracles 35:26 The Conservative Resurgence of the SBC 40:04 Points of Departure: Inerrancy = authoritarianism 45:32 Points of Departure: Evangelism = Theological Colonialism 49:51 Points of Departure: Hell is the central dogma 53:09 Points of Consent: Why I’m still Christian 58:51 Making Christianity huma again 1:03:09 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

103: Dr. Andrew Bauman: Safe Church, How to Guard Against Sexism in the Church

103: Dr. Andrew Bauman: Safe Church, How to Guard Against Sexism in the Church

takeaways Dr. Bauman's book addresses sexism and abuse in the church. He conducted extensive research with over 2,800 women. The church has a history of silencing women's experiences. Authenticity is crucial in addressing personal and communal trauma. Patriarchy fosters a culture of secrecy and shame. Weaponizing forgiveness can harm victims of abuse. Theological beliefs should evolve and shed outdated ideas. Men's insecurities often lead to abusive behaviors. The church must confront its complicity in abuse. Healing requires facing pain rather than bypassing it. Forgiveness can sometimes be weaponized in abusive situations. Emotional and spiritual abuse often goes unrecognized. Healthy shame encourages accountability, while toxic shame dehumanizes. Entitlement can stem from suffering, leading to harmful behaviors. Trusting our bodies is essential for spiritual health. Men must actively work against sexism and objectification. Systems in the church often prioritize power over people. Jesus's actions challenged the patriarchal norms of his time. Small community models can foster deeper connections and healing. Personal growth requires confronting our own shadows and ego. Chapters 00:00Introduction to Dr. Andrew Bauman and His Work 02:53The Need for a Safe Church 05:51Personal Journey and Background 09:08Deconstructing Faith and Theology 11:52The Impact of Evangelical Upbringing 14:47The Secret Life and Authenticity 18:02Patriarchy and Its Consequences 20:56Weaponizing Forgiveness 24:01Confronting Abuse in the Church 32:26The Impact of Forgiveness in Abuse Dynamics 34:49Understanding Shame: Healthy vs. Toxic 36:31Navigating Suffering and Entitlement 37:48Reclaiming the Body: Trusting Our Intuition 39:29The Role of Authority in Spiritual Development 41:10Listening to the Marginalized: A Christian Imperative 43:14Jesus and the Rejection of Patriarchy 45:09Men's Responsibility in Addressing Objectification 48:10Confronting Sexism in Church Culture 50:09The Challenge of Changing Systems 52:07The Value of Small Community Models 54:20Ego, Affirmation, and Personal Growth 57:58Practices for Centering Faith and Self Links: Book: https://bakerpublishinggroup.com/books/safe-church/419431 Workshops: www.Christiancc.org Blog: www.AndrewJBauman.com Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

9: Aaron McConnell: Deconstructing From Fundamentalism

9: Aaron McConnell: Deconstructing From Fundamentalism

Today, I talk with Aaron McConnell, a long time friend from a previous church. He shares his experience growing up in a hyper fundamentalist Baptist church and school, where the Baptist Church down the street wasnt fundamental enough. Also half way through Aaron turns the tables and interviews me unexpectedly about my deconstruction as a pastor and how I am doing church differently, to create safe spaces for those who are unsure of their faith. 0:48 Introduction 3:03 Not Fundie Enough for the Fundies 6:14 Jumping back into church 8:46 Planned Parenthood Protest 12:07 Guilt, Shame, Fear, the fundie toolbox 17:17 Humility from pain 21:03 Sound of the Genuine 22:21 Deconstruction and personal relationships 24:59 Inerrancy, Ideology, Covid Mandates 29:14 Deconstructing as a pastor, creating safe spaces 33:22 Weaponizing Dogma vs knowing youre not infallible 38:29 A Different Church MO 40:26 Suffering Breaks your understanding of God 43:49 Scientific Revolution, Fundamentalist reaction, new church models 47:13 Benefits of a deconstructed pastor 50:23 Liminal Living tips 55:30 Courage to love 58:22 Fundamentalism: weaponized ideology 1:01:31 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Voiceover for this episode is provided by Play.ht Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

46: Dr Tim Carson: This is Your Brain on Liminality

46: Dr Tim Carson: This is Your Brain on Liminality

Has deconstruction left you feeling isolated, anxious, and alone? Dr Tim Carson and I talk about the liminality of deconstruction, and how we are in a large collective we space of deconstruction, and the desperate need for liminal guides today. We also talk about the neurology of liminality and why it is so transformative. Timothy Carson is the curator of The Liminality Project. And has done Doctoral research and dissertation on Liminality. Tim is also the author of Liminal Reality and Transformational Power (2016), editor of the anthology Neither Here nor There: The Many Voices of Liminality (2019), co-author of Crossing Thresholds: A Practical Theology of Liminality (2021), editor of the anthology The Liminal Loop: Astonishing Stories of Discovery and Hope (2022), and editor of Leaning into the Liminal: A Guide for Counselors and Companions (2024). Tim continues to write, edit, blog, facilitate groups and seminars focused on liminality, and work with people making lifes great passages. Tim teaches a variety of liminality courses in the Honors College of the University of Missouri and is a TEDx speaker, presenting on themes of liminality. You can find Tims work here: https://www.theliminalityproject.org/ You can view Tims TEDx talk here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLaTOyVBdME Time Stamps for the episode: 02:43 The Tim and Tom Show 06:15 Liminal conversations around the world 10:33 Liminality and Pastoring 16:04 Liminality in Academia 19:21 Liminality in the Church 23:58 This is your brain on Liminality 29:12 Liminal competency in our leaders 34:48 Liminal journey to rebirth the me and we 39:45 COVID 19 and collective Liminality 44:43 Training Liminal guides in Ukraine 50:23 Liminal space of deconstruction 56:05 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Chronos Kairos, A Theology of Time 2

Chronos Kairos, A Theology of Time 2

Time may appear to be a bully and a tyrant. We say we do not have enough time in a day. But having a healthy relationship to time can help bring us into rhythm with heaven all around us, an attention to the present moment can free us from anxiety. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2 E5: Aaron McConnell: Deconstructing From Fundamentalism

S2 E5: Aaron McConnell: Deconstructing From Fundamentalism

Today, I talk with Aaron McConnell, a long time friend from a previous church. He shares his experience growing up in a hyper fundamentalist Baptist church and school, where the Baptist Church down the street wasn’t fundamental enough. Also half way through Aaron turns the tables and interviews me unexpectedly about my deconstruction as a pastor and how I am doing church differently, to create safe spaces for those who are unsure of their faith. 0:48 Introduction 3:03 Not Fundie Enough for the Fundies 6:14 Jumping back into church 8:46 Planned Parenthood Protest 12:07 Guilt, Shame, Fear, the fundie toolbox 17:17 Humility from pain 21:03 “Sound of the Genuine” 22:21 Deconstruction and personal relationships 24:59 Inerrancy, Ideology, Covid Mandates 29:14 Deconstructing as a pastor, creating safe spaces 33:22 Weaponizing Dogma vs knowing you’re not infallible 38:29 A Different Church MO 40:26 Suffering “Breaks” your understanding of God 43:49 Scientific Revolution, Fundamentalist reaction, new church models 47:13 Benefits of a deconstructed pastor 50:23 Liminal Living tips 55:30 Courage to love 58:22 Fundamentalism: weaponized ideology 1:01:31 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Voiceover for this episode is provided by Play.ht Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E5: Dr Tim Carson: This is Your Brain on Liminality

S3 E5: Dr Tim Carson: This is Your Brain on Liminality

Has deconstruction left you feeling isolated, anxious, and alone? Dr Tim Carson and I talk about the liminality of deconstruction, and how we are in a large collective “we” space of deconstruction, and the desperate need for liminal guides today. We also talk about the neurology of liminality and why it is so transformative. Timothy Carson is the curator of The Liminality Project. And has done Doctoral research and dissertation on Liminality. Tim is also the author of Liminal Reality and Transformational Power (2016), editor of the anthology Neither Here nor There: The Many Voices of Liminality (2019), co-author of Crossing Thresholds: A Practical Theology of Liminality (2021), editor of the anthology The Liminal Loop: Astonishing Stories of Discovery and Hope (2022), and editor of Leaning into the Liminal: A Guide for Counselors and Companions (2024). Tim continues to write, edit, blog, facilitate groups and seminars focused on liminality, and work with people making life’s great passages. Tim teaches a variety of liminality courses in the Honors College of the University of Missouri and is a TEDx speaker, presenting on themes of liminality. You can find Tim’s work here: https://www.theliminalityproject.org/ You can view Tim’s TEDx talk here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLaTOyVBdME Time Stamps for the episode: 02:43 The Tim and Tom Show 06:15 Liminal conversations around the world 10:33 Liminality and Pastoring 16:04 Liminality in Academia 19:21 Liminality in the Church 23:58 This is your brain on Liminality 29:12 Liminal competency in our leaders 34:48 Liminal journey to rebirth the “me” and “we” 39:45 COVID 19 and collective Liminality 44:43 Training Liminal guides in Ukraine 50:23 Liminal space of deconstruction 56:05 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

104: David Hayward: Pursuing Spiritual Autonomy, with the Naked Pastor

104: David Hayward: Pursuing Spiritual Autonomy, with the Naked Pastor

takeaways David's early experiences shaped his adventurous spirit. He has a diverse background in various Christian denominations. His journey in faith has been marked by exploration and questioning. A pivotal moment in seminary led to a crisis of faith. David emphasizes the importance of navigating between faith and doubt. He experienced a profound flash of insight about the oneness of all things. David's blog, Naked Pastor, became a platform for his thoughts on spirituality. He believes every theology has something to contribute. David's departure from ministry was both traumatic and liberating. He encourages others to explore their own spiritual journeys. Existential crises can lead to profound insights about faith and ministry. Redefining pastoral roles can create a more inclusive community. Love must manifest in policies to be truly effective. Authenticity in leadership fosters trust and connection. Diversity within communities enriches the spiritual experience. The church has both pastoral and prophetic responsibilities. Spiritual independence is crucial in the deconstruction process. Personal spiritual practices should resonate with individual desires. Exploring what you truly want is a vital spiritual exercise. The journey of deconstruction is unique for everyone. Links: https://www.jacciturner.com/ www.nakedpastor.com www.thelastingsupper.com Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

1: Tom Rundel: What is a Theologian: Part 1

1: Tom Rundel: What is a Theologian: Part 1

What does it mean to be a theologian? Many people have an understanding of theologian as someone who can logically systemetize doctrinal points into a bullet proof statement. But traditionally this is not the meaning of theologian, we explore the roots of this word: theologian, from its pagan origins to its Christian application. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

10: Tom Rundel: Deconstructing "Eternal Life"

10: Tom Rundel: Deconstructing "Eternal Life"

What does a theology of Eternal Life really look like? If you've deconstructed the idea that you need to pray a magic Jesus prayer to go to heaven when you die, what do you do with the concept of Life Eternal? In this solo recording from a teaching at my church I go into what eternal life is and is not. All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Voiceover for this episode is provided by Play.ht Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

47: Dr Jonathan Foster: Liminal Space of Grief After You Lose a Child

47: Dr Jonathan Foster: Liminal Space of Grief After You Lose a Child

9 years ago, Jonathan watched from his picture window as a law enforcement officer drove up his driveway to give him the devastating news that his 20 year old daughter was killed in a car crash. His family has been in the Liminal space of grief ever since. He wrote a book about his grief entitled, indigo, the color of grief. This work guides our discussion today. And yes, I cried. Dr Jonathan Foster is a writer at heart. He writes books, podcasts, and blog posts. He is an author of 5 books, and he helps other authors make books at SacraSagePress. He is involved with the open table network, which provides ordination credentials to progressive religious leaders. And he loves hiking in the Rocky Mountains. You can find Jonathans podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jonathan-foster/id1479338607 You can find Jonathans work here: www.jonathanfosteronline.com Please go buy Jonathans book here: https://www.amazon.com/indigo-color-Jonathan-J-Foster/dp/1737664968 Time Stamps for the episode: 03:30 Thin spaces as Liminal spaces 07:15 Early faith roots run deep 11:18 Wandering in Liminal spaces 17:07 The potency of poetry in liminal spaces 20:39 Encountering cliche after tragedy 23:48 Somatically processing grief 29:23 What grief feels like 34:59 Grief strips you down to simplicity 39:11 Offering solutions vs solidarity 44:35 Your presence becomes a threat to theology 48:58 Hope and Optimism, Cynicism and Faith 54:46 God does not exist, God insists 59:03 A new way of thinking about God is needed 1:04:22 Beauty as Defiance 1:08:13 Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What does it mean to be a theologian? Many people have an understanding of theologian as someone who can logically systemetize doctrinal points into a bullet proof statement. But traditionally this is not the meaning of theologian, we explore the roots of this word: theologian, from its pagan origins to its Christian application. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E6: Tom Rundel: Deconstructing "Eternal Life"

S2 E6: Tom Rundel: Deconstructing "Eternal Life"

What does a theology of Eternal Life really look like? If you've deconstructed the idea that you need to pray a magic Jesus prayer to go to heaven when you die, what do you do with the concept of Life Eternal? In this solo recording from a teaching at my church I go into what eternal life is and is not. All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Voiceover for this episode is provided by Play.ht Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E6: Dr Jonathan Foster: Liminal Space of Grief After You Lose a Child

S3 E6: Dr Jonathan Foster: Liminal Space of Grief After You Lose a Child

9 years ago, Jonathan watched from his picture window as a law enforcement officer drove up his driveway to give him the devastating news that his 20 year old daughter was killed in a car crash. His family has been in the Liminal space of grief ever since. He wrote a book about his grief entitled, indigo, the color of grief. This work guides our discussion today. And yes, I cried. Dr Jonathan Foster is a writer at heart. He writes books, podcasts, and blog posts. He is an author of 5 books, and he helps other authors make books at SacraSagePress. He is involved with the open table network, which provides ordination credentials to progressive religious leaders. And he loves hiking in the Rocky Mountains. You can find Jonathan’s podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jonathan-foster/id1479338607 You can find Jonathan’s work here: www.jonathanfosteronline.com Please go buy Jonathan’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/indigo-color-Jonathan-J-Foster/dp/1737664968 Time Stamps for the episode: 03:30 Thin spaces as Liminal spaces 07:15 Early faith roots run deep 11:18 Wandering in Liminal spaces 17:07 The potency of poetry in liminal spaces 20:39 Encountering cliche after tragedy 23:48 Somatically processing grief 29:23 What grief feels like 34:59 Grief strips you down to simplicity 39:11 Offering solutions vs solidarity 44:35 Your presence becomes a threat to theology 48:58 Hope and Optimism, Cynicism and Faith 54:46 God does not exist, God insists 59:03 A new way of thinking about God is needed 1:04:22 Beauty as Defiance 1:08:13 Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

105: Brandon Andress: Navigating the Circumference of Belonging

105: Brandon Andress: Navigating the Circumference of Belonging

Takeaways Brandon's morning routine includes ice baths for wellness. Experiencing a sense of goodness at a young age shaped Brandon's faith. Faith can provide structure but should not be overly rigid. Questions about faith can lead to feeling on the fringes of religious communities. Confession and vulnerability can deepen community connections. Books can profoundly impact one's understanding of faith. The essence of faith may be mistaken for its constructs. Asking questions about the gospel can challenge traditional beliefs. Personal experiences shape one's understanding of spirituality. Navigating faith involves balancing personal beliefs with community expectations. The gospel is fundamentally about the Kingdom of God. Many Christians focus solely on the death and resurrection, neglecting the broader gospel message. Embodiment is crucial in living out the gospel in our daily lives. The journey of faith often involves significant transformation and personal growth. Shalom represents a deep, holistic peace that encompasses more than just the absence of conflict. The gospel was originally written by marginalized people for marginalized people. Spirituality should be accessible and relatable, not confined to religious jargon. Storytelling can be a powerful medium for conveying theological ideas. The church often struggles with the concept of embodiment in faith practices. Meditation and mindfulness can enhance our understanding of spiritual truths. links Amazon Link: https://shorturl.at/gizVu Web: https://www.brandonandress.com/ Book store: https://www.viewpointbooks.com/book/9781964252254 Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

2: Tom Rundel: What is a Theologian: Part 2

2: Tom Rundel: What is a Theologian: Part 2

Does your doctrine sound like a lawyer wrote it? What is doctrine and what is it for? We explore the roots of what doctrine means in the Old Testament, New Testament, and early church. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

11: Zack Hunt: Deconstructing the Bible

11: Zack Hunt: Deconstructing the Bible

Today, I talk with author, writer, and doodle lover, Zack Hunt about his new book, Godbreathed. He shares his experience of the Nazarene Church, watching TV preacher Jack Van Impe, going to Bible college and getting hit with an academic approach to the Bible which gave him more questions than he was comfortable with. This deconstruction led him to write his first book Unraptured and as he further processed his faith he wrote Godbreathed to help people process what the Bible is and what it is not. He is a wonderful human being and I had a lot of fun chatting with him. You can find Zacks book: https://rb.gy/5skge and https://rb.gy/n0lck You can find Zack at www.Zackhunt.net and https://substack.com/@zackhunt Below are the topics and time stamps of the issues we cover which includes, 1:47 Introduction 5:08 Puppies and dog lovers 6:20 His anti-fundie billboards around Nashville 8:30 Deconstructing Jack Van Impe, Unraptured 11:49 Voices of Guidance, Rachel Held Evans 15:11 Why he wrote Godbreathed, permission to question 19:48 Loving Scripture vs Worshiping scripture, subjectivity vs objectivity, humanity and divinity, control vs faith 26:38 the Bible as the story of Gods people told by Gods people vs History of Gods people written by God. 29:40 Finding the meaning of the Bible worthy of the God it describes, Origen and allegory. 33:20 Paul was wrong about slavery 36:05 Infallibility vs Heliocentrism, homosexuality, 37:53 History of the Fundie takeover: Pulpits, Publishers, and the Presidency 42:51 Decline of fundamentalist institutions, pastor shortage, young people exodus, same sex marriage 47:40 Inerrancy as White Supremacy and Patriarchy. 51:36 Bible as Myth, making space at the table for different views 58:39 Sola scriptura and drunk, constipated Luther 1:02:06 conformity, younger generations, MLK, justice, silent white moderate 1:06:43 Quiet quitting pastors, Trumpism, Black Lives Matter 1:10:37 The American Church is dead, now what? 1:15:05 Liminal Living when youre excommunicated 1:18:56 Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

48: Jason and Lori Adams-Brown: Interpreting Preda-Pastors Controlling Narratives

48: Jason and Lori Adams-Brown: Interpreting Preda-Pastors Controlling Narratives

How can you identify the narratives used by high control pastors to maintain control? In this episode of the Liminal Living podcast, we talk with Jason and Lori Adams-Brown. With extensive backgrounds in intercultural studies, trauma care, and missionary work, Jason and Lori offer invaluable insights into the insidious nature of spiritual abuse within religious communities. Drawing from their own experiences of navigating abusive environments, they shed light on the subtle ways in which abusive leaders manipulate narratives to maintain power and control. Through candid conversation, Jason and Lori provide interpretations of common phrases used to gaslight congregants and shield abusive pastors from accountability. From "We are praying for the pastor" to "We need to change our judgemental thinking," they provide a Google translate version of the gaslighting Christian language, enabling listeners to recognize the reality behind the rhetoric. Moreover, the episode explores the dynamics of faith, career, and personal growth, offering a beacon of hope amidst the darkness. As Jason and Lori share their journey of speaking out against pastoral abuse and advocating for victims, they invite listeners to join them in fostering genuine inclusion, justice, and belonging within religious communities. Tune in to discover how to connect with their work and find hope in a world marred by spiritual exploitation. You can find Loris podcast here: https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com/ You can contact Jason here: jasonadamsbrown73 (at) gmail (dot) com Time Stamps for the episode: 05:50 Mojitos and Pictionary 10:05 Southern Baptist Roots 13:50 The Conservative Resurgence 18:14 Disillusionment sets in (Jason) 23:56 Being a woman in the SBC 30:51 Preda-pastors and the narratives they weave 36:24 Gaslighting the community 40:34 We are praying for the pastor 46:11 There are people out to get him 51:54 They are trying to build their career 57:15 Protecting metrics 1:00:50 Dont judge, who hasnt sinned? 1:06:11 One way grace, up to the leader 1:10:22 What gives Lori hope 1:15:07 What gives Jason hope 1:17:36 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Does your doctrine sound like a lawyer wrote it? What is doctrine and what is it for? We explore the roots of what doctrine means in the Old Testament, New Testament, and early church. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E7: Zack Hunt: Deconstructing the Bible

S2 E7: Zack Hunt: Deconstructing the Bible

Today, I talk with author, writer, and doodle lover, Zack Hunt about his new book, Godbreathed. He shares his experience of the Nazarene Church, watching TV preacher Jack Van Impe, going to Bible college and getting hit with an academic approach to the Bible which gave him more questions than he was comfortable with. This deconstruction led him to write his first book Unraptured and as he further processed his faith he wrote Godbreathed to help people process what the Bible is and what it is not. He is a wonderful human being and I had a lot of fun chatting with him. You can find Zack’s book: https://rb.gy/5skge and https://rb.gy/n0lck You can find Zack at www.Zackhunt.net and https://substack.com/@zackhunt Below are the topics and time stamps of the issues we cover which includes, 1:47 Introduction 5:08 Puppies and dog lovers 6:20 His anti-fundie billboards around Nashville 8:30 Deconstructing Jack Van Impe, Unraptured 11:49 Voices of Guidance, Rachel Held Evans 15:11 Why he wrote Godbreathed, permission to question 19:48 Loving Scripture vs Worshiping scripture, subjectivity vs objectivity, humanity and divinity, control vs faith 26:38 the Bible as the story of God’s people told by God’s people vs History of God’s people written by God. 29:40 Finding the meaning of the Bible worthy of the God it describes, Origen and allegory. 33:20 Paul was wrong about slavery 36:05 Infallibility vs Heliocentrism, homosexuality, 37:53 History of the Fundie takeover: Pulpits, Publishers, and the Presidency 42:51 Decline of fundamentalist institutions, pastor shortage, young people exodus, same sex marriage 47:40 Inerrancy as White Supremacy and Patriarchy. 51:36 Bible as Myth, making space at the table for different views 58:39 Sola scriptura and drunk, constipated Luther 1:02:06 conformity, younger generations, MLK, justice, silent white moderate 1:06:43 Quiet quitting pastors, Trumpism, Black Lives Matter 1:10:37 The American Church is dead, now what? 1:15:05 Liminal Living when you’re excommunicated 1:18:56 Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E7: Jason and Lori Adams-Brown: Interpreting Preda-Pastors Controlling Narratives

S3 E7: Jason and Lori Adams-Brown: Interpreting Preda-Pastors Controlling Narratives

How can you identify the narratives used by high control pastors to maintain control? In this episode of the Liminal Living podcast, we talk with Jason and Lori Adams-Brown. With extensive backgrounds in intercultural studies, trauma care, and missionary work, Jason and Lori offer invaluable insights into the insidious nature of spiritual abuse within religious communities. Drawing from their own experiences of navigating abusive environments, they shed light on the subtle ways in which abusive leaders manipulate narratives to maintain power and control. Through candid conversation, Jason and Lori provide interpretations of common phrases used to gaslight congregants and shield abusive pastors from accountability. From "We are praying for the pastor" to "We need to change our judgemental thinking," they provide a Google translate version of the gaslighting Christian language, enabling listeners to recognize the reality behind the rhetoric. Moreover, the episode explores the dynamics of faith, career, and personal growth, offering a beacon of hope amidst the darkness. As Jason and Lori share their journey of speaking out against pastoral abuse and advocating for victims, they invite listeners to join them in fostering genuine inclusion, justice, and belonging within religious communities. Tune in to discover how to connect with their work and find hope in a world marred by spiritual exploitation. You can find Lori’s podcast here: https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com/ You can contact Jason here: jasonadamsbrown73 (at) gmail (dot) com Time Stamps for the episode: 05:50 Mojitos and Pictionary 10:05 Southern Baptist Roots 13:50 The Conservative Resurgence 18:14 Disillusionment sets in (Jason) 23:56 Being a woman in the SBC 30:51 Preda-pastors and the narratives they weave 36:24 Gaslighting the community 40:34 “We are praying for the pastor” 46:11 “There are people out to get him” 51:54 “They are trying to build their career” 57:15 Protecting metrics 1:00:50 “Dont judge, who hasn’t sinned?” 1:06:11 One way grace, up to the leader 1:10:22 What gives Lori hope 1:15:07 What gives Jason hope 1:17:36 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

106: Trey Ferguson: Bad Theology is Killing Us

106: Trey Ferguson: Bad Theology is Killing Us

takeaways Bad theology shapes harmful societal priorities. Our understanding of God influences our actions. Genesis 1 introduces God as a creator from chaos. Jesus embodies the Word that brings order. Creation reflects a rhythm of forming and filling. Humans are stewards of God's creation, not slaves. Rest is essential for sustaining life and faith. The biblical narrative invites trust in God's provision. The chaos of society mirrors the darkness in Genesis 1. God's creation is abundant and meant for thriving. The Tower of Babel story reflects the temptation to empire. God's desire is for humanity to enjoy life without the chaos of empire. Our quest for efficiency can harm our relationship with the earth. Scarcity is a human construct, not part of God's design. God is actively working in ways we may not immediately see. The Holy Spirit represents a divine exhale for humanity. Unity in diversity is a key theme in the reconciliation of Babel. God's mercy is widening to include all of humanity. Chaos introduced by humanity can lead to our own undoing. Seeing others through divine eyes fosters compassion and understanding. Links: Web: [ Click Here ] Book: [ Click here ] Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

3: Tom Rundel: Advent Part 1: Hope A Theology Of Color

3: Tom Rundel: Advent Part 1: Hope A Theology Of Color

The definition of hope is found neither in pessimism nor optimism, but in a "theology of color." Check out the latest #LiminalLiving podcast to see how. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

12: Jacci Turner: Deconstruction as an Essential Stage of Faith Formation

12: Jacci Turner: Deconstruction as an Essential Stage of Faith Formation

What if deconstruction is not always losing faith? What if it can be a natural part of the faith journey that modern churches merely dont have space for? Today, I talked with Therapist, Counselor, Campus minister, and Author, Jacci Turner about her new book: Tumbled People: Deconstructing and Reconstructing your faith. This book promises that you will find hope and encouragement for the spiritual changes you are going through, for they are a normal part of the stages of spiritual growth and development. What stage are you at? Listen in and find out. You can find Jaccis book: https://rb.gy/haobk and https://rb.gy/osbg5 You can find Jacci at www.jacciturner.com Below are the topics and time stamps of the issues we cover which includes, 2:05: Introductions and Faith Roots 5:40: The first domino that sent her into deconstruction 10:03: Shalom, the Bibles word for Salvation, Justice, Peace 11:50: Intro to the six stages of faith formation 15:40: Making space for deconstruction in organizations 21:14: Stage 1 Trusting openness of a child 24:39: Stage 2 Black and White rule keeping 25:22: Stage 3 Building scaffolding 28:41: Hitting the Wall 31:25: Getting through the Wall 37:23: Stage 4 Deconstructing 43:51: Stage 5 A bigger basket to hold more views 47:16: Cleansing the lenses we use to read and interpret 54:01: Stage 6 One heart and one will 55:31: Dark night, burnout, deconstruction, the wall 1:00:37: Tumbled People, a guide to deconstruction 1:03:19: Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

49: Dr David Fitch: Church on the Wrong side of Power

49: Dr David Fitch: Church on the Wrong side of Power

S3 E8: Dr David Fitch: Church on the Wrong Side of Power What happens when the church uses the power of the world to accomplish the purposes of God? You get the Church on the wrong side of power, with a reckoning that needs to take place. Today I talk with David Fitch about his new book, Reckoning with Power, Why the Church Fails when its on the Wrong Side of Power. In this work he describes three kinds of power the world uses, and contrasts it with the kind of power that God has. Indeed this is a reckoning of power moment, and Fitchs book is a wonderful guide. Trigger warning, while our conversation spans theology, politics, culture, and ecclesiology, and made my brain explode a few times, we do talk about modern political figures and events openly. Fitch has been a pastor for 30 years, planting 9 churches, he is the Chair of Evangelical Theology at Northern Seminary Chicago, IL where he runs a few of their doctoral and masters programs. He is the author of many books, a writer for Missio Alliance, a blogger, and a cohost of the Theology on Mission podcast. You can purchase Fitchs new book here: https://rb.gy/3k9zlc You can find Fitchs podcast here: https://rb.gy/9ycm3m You can subscribe to Fitchs substack here: https://davidfitch.substack.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: 02:31 Call me Fitch 08:17 My second conversion 15:12 A different kind of power 20:45 4 kinds of power 26:16 Using worldly power for Gods purposes 29:38 The temptation of authoritarian leaders 34:41 Why January 6th was not a wake up call 40:40 Sequestering Gods power to the inner life 45:41 Promised land nationalism vs Acts ecclesiology 51:29 When worldly power mixes with theology 57:07 Politics and the pulpit 1:01:55 Weaponized ideas 1:06:36 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Advent(ure) 1 Hope A Theology Of Color

Advent(ure) 1 Hope A Theology Of Color

The definition of hope is found neither in pessimism nor optimism, but in a "theology of color." Check out the latest #LiminalLiving podcast to see how. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E8: Jacci Turner: Deconstruction as an Essential Stage of Faith Formation

S2 E8: Jacci Turner: Deconstruction as an Essential Stage of Faith Formation

What if deconstruction is not always losing faith? What if it can be a natural part of the faith journey that modern churches merely don’t have space for? Today, I talked with Therapist, Counselor, Campus minister, and Author, Jacci Turner about her new book: Tumbled People: Deconstructing and Reconstructing your faith. This book promises that you will find hope and encouragement for the spiritual changes you are going through, for they are a normal part of the stages of spiritual growth and development. What stage are you at? Listen in and find out. You can find Jacci’s book: https://rb.gy/haobk and https://rb.gy/osbg5 You can find Jacci at www.jacciturner.com Below are the topics and time stamps of the issues we cover which includes, 2:05: Introductions and Faith Roots 5:40: The first domino that sent her into deconstruction 10:03: Shalom, the Bible’s word for Salvation, Justice, Peace 11:50: Intro to the six stages of faith formation 15:40: Making space for deconstruction in organizations 21:14: Stage 1 Trusting openness of a child 24:39: Stage 2 Black and White rule keeping 25:22: Stage 3 Building scaffolding 28:41: Hitting the Wall 31:25: Getting through the Wall 37:23: Stage 4 Deconstructing 43:51: Stage 5 A bigger basket to hold more views 47:16: Cleansing the lenses we use to read and interpret 54:01: Stage 6 One heart and one will 55:31: Dark night, burnout, deconstruction, the wall 1:00:37: Tumbled People, a guide to deconstruction 1:03:19: Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E8: Dr David Fitch: Church on the Wrong side of Power

S3 E8: Dr David Fitch: Church on the Wrong side of Power

S3 E8: Dr David Fitch: Church on the Wrong Side of Power What happens when the church uses the power of the world to accomplish the purposes of God? You get the Church on the wrong side of power, with a reckoning that needs to take place. Today I talk with David Fitch about his new book, Reckoning with Power, Why the Church Fails when it’s on the Wrong Side of Power. In this work he describes three kinds of power the world uses, and contrasts it with the kind of power that God has. Indeed this is a reckoning of power moment, and Fitch’s book is a wonderful guide. Trigger warning, while our conversation spans theology, politics, culture, and ecclesiology, and made my brain explode a few times, we do talk about modern political figures and events openly. Fitch has been a pastor for 30 years, planting 9 churches, he is the Chair of Evangelical Theology at Northern Seminary Chicago, IL where he runs a few of their doctoral and masters programs. He is the author of many books, a writer for Missio Alliance, a blogger, and a cohost of the Theology on Mission podcast. You can purchase Fitch’s new book here: https://rb.gy/3k9zlc You can find Fitch’s podcast here: https://rb.gy/9ycm3m You can subscribe to Fitch’s substack here: https://davidfitch.substack.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: 02:31 Call me Fitch 08:17 My second conversion 15:12 A different kind of power 20:45 4 kinds of power 26:16 Using worldly power for God’s purposes 29:38 The temptation of authoritarian leaders 34:41 Why January 6th was not a wake up call 40:40 Sequestering God’s power to the inner life 45:41 Promised land nationalism vs Acts ecclesiology 51:29 When worldly power mixes with theology 57:07 Politics and the pulpit 1:01:55 Weaponized ideas 1:06:36 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

107: Danny Bryant: Healing After I Escaped a Cult

107: Danny Bryant: Healing After I Escaped a Cult

takeaways Danny Bryant grew up in a religious cult that emphasized moral perfection. Literature played a significant role in shaping Danny's worldview and personal growth. Leaving the cult was a long and complex process for Danny, taking over a decade. Danny's experience in the cult led him to question many beliefs and seek a more inclusive faith. The trauma from his upbringing continues to influence Danny's life and work as a pastor. Danny aims to prove that pastoral care can be done with integrity and love, not control and shame. He draws parallels between cult mentality and systemic issues like whiteness and social justice. Danny believes that understanding whiteness is crucial for addressing social injustices. He emphasizes the importance of being in touch with our bodily existence and emotions. Danny's journey reflects a broader narrative of healing and transformation in the face of trauma. The richness of truth can be overwhelming and transformative. Assimilation into dominant cultures often leads to heartbreak and division. Communities built on insularity struggle to foster genuine love and connection. Hospice spirituality offers a way to acknowledge the need for change and growth. Insecure possessiveness can lead to addiction to ideas rather than genuine belonging. The anger in white communities often misplaces blame on marginalized groups. The Roman centurion's faith exemplifies dignity and humility in seeking help. We must say no to death and exclusion while affirming human dignity. The addiction to shame can distort our understanding of love and worth. True community requires letting go of control and embracing uncertainty. Links: Web: www.spaciouslistening.com Book: https://tinyurl.com/y7bw9fwb Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

4: Tom Rundel: Advent Part 2: A Picture Of Hope

4: Tom Rundel: Advent Part 2: A Picture Of Hope

In John 2, did Jesus turn the water from the religious basins into wine? I do not think so. He did something greater to which this points. I explore this story in relation to its Old Testament roots in Isaiah. Check it out. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

13: Dr Dave Beach: Deconstructing from Suffering

13: Dr Dave Beach: Deconstructing from Suffering

Dr Dave Beach lost his wife to cancer, and it triggered a deconstruction of his assumptions about the world. He found out that the propositions he claimed were not embedded deep in his own soul. He went on a journey to make sense of this event in light of his faith and eventually wrote a dissertation on the topic of Christianity and suffering with the hopes of meeting people at the intersection of their faith and suffering with hospitality and care. Dave is a retired counselor, college teacher, a current author, speaker, chaplain, and spiritual formation presenter, as well as an executive director of Four Health Family Resource Center Inc, in Saranac MI. You can find Daves book here: https://rb.gy/9ri2p and You can Daves Dissertation here: https://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/dmin/281/ Below are the topics and time stamps of the issues we cover which includes, 2:23: Introductions 6:05: Faith Roots 8:11: Bad Songs that shaped his theology and expectation 10:23: Faith insulating us from reality 12:34: The First domino of deconstruction: Congregation vs my Dad 17:11: Power dynamics in churches 19:16: Pastoral Authority 22:43: A dissertation to make space for those who suffer 27:00: Jesus, the Man of Sorrows 31:50: Losing my wife to cancer 36:31: Trauma: shattering the assumptive world 39:00: Doubt, struggle, unbelief, AS a form of faith 43:46: The Role of God within suffering: Incarnation and Trinity 48:55: Suffering leads to awakening, but what about trauma damage? 54:51: Post Traumatic Growth 59:28: 5 Views of suffering in the Christian journey 1:04:47: Spiritual bypassing, disassociation, and transcendence 1:10:24: Suffering as initiation into reality, and God 1:12:39: Labels vs essence. Christian as noun and not adjective 1:19:18: Suffering dissolving illusion, bringing us into contact with reality 1:24:15: How is my faith more than a set of propositions? 1:25:49: Hope is not an emotion but an imagination 1:28:19: Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

50: Dr Andrew M Davis: Philosophy, Theology, and Alien Life

50: Dr Andrew M Davis: Philosophy, Theology, and Alien Life

S3 E9: Dr Andrew M Davis: Philosophy, Theology, and Alien Life If our theological framework was developed in medieval times under an earth centric understanding of the universe, how does that change with the discovery of near infinite galaxies out there? What does a Christian faith look like that is not earth centric or human centric? What does that do to the doctrine of the incarnation; God becoming human? If intelligent alien life made itself known to us, what theologies would go out the window? Today we talk with Dr Andrew M. Davis, American process philosopher, theologian, and scholar of cosmological wonder. He is program director for the Center for Process Studies where he researches, writes, teaches, and organizes conferences on various aspects of process-relational thought. He has written many academic articles and books, and we talk about his book Metaphysics of Exo-Life: Toward a Constructive Whiteheadian Cosmotheology. But dont let that title scare you away. This is one of the most fun conversations I have had. It felt like talking theology and philosophy with one of my favorite Science Fiction authors. You can purchase Andrews new book here: https://rb.gy/2ou2fs You can find Andrews work here: https://www.andrewmdavis.info/ Time Stamps for the episode: 03:54 Beer and Philosophy 07:32 Evangelical and academic roots 12:37 Turning points in faith 18:13 Expanding theology to fit the larger cosmos 22:36 Medieval theology in a modern context 26:55 Getting creative with contextualizing theology 31:35 What happens to certain theology if alien life is discovered? 37:44 Decentering our world / recentering our experience 43:03 The Churchs severe humbling through science 48:32 The world as verb instead of noun 54:37 Re-enchanting our modern world 1:01:34 incarnation and un-centering humanity from cosmology 1:08:45 Shift from instrumental value to Intrinsic 1:15:10 Spirituality as bridge between theory and practice 1:18:51 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Advent(ure) 2 A Picture Of Hope

Advent(ure) 2 A Picture Of Hope

In John 2, did Jesus turn the water from the religious basins into wine? I do not think so. He did something greater to which this points. I explore this story in relation to its Old Testament roots in Isaiah. Check it out. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E9: Dr Dave Beach: Deconstructing from Suffering

S2 E9: Dr Dave Beach: Deconstructing from Suffering

Dr Dave Beach lost his wife to cancer, and it triggered a deconstruction of his assumptions about the world. He found out that the propositions he claimed were not embedded deep in his own soul. He went on a journey to make sense of this event in light of his faith and eventually wrote a dissertation on the topic of Christianity and suffering with the hopes of meeting people at the intersection of their faith and suffering with hospitality and care. Dave is a retired counselor, college teacher, a current author, speaker, chaplain, and spiritual formation presenter, as well as an executive director of Four Health Family Resource Center Inc, in Saranac MI. You can find Dave’s book here: https://rb.gy/9ri2p and You can Dave’s Dissertation here: https://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/dmin/281/ Below are the topics and time stamps of the issues we cover which includes, 2:23: Introductions 6:05: Faith Roots 8:11: Bad Songs that shaped his theology and expectation 10:23: “Faith” insulating us from reality 12:34: The First domino of deconstruction: Congregation vs my Dad 17:11: Power dynamics in churches 19:16: Pastoral Authority 22:43: A dissertation to make space for those who suffer 27:00: Jesus, the Man of Sorrows 31:50: Losing my wife to cancer 36:31: Trauma: shattering the assumptive world 39:00: Doubt, struggle, unbelief, AS a form of faith 43:46: The Role of God within suffering: Incarnation and Trinity 48:55: Suffering leads to awakening, but what about trauma damage? 54:51: Post Traumatic Growth 59:28: 5 Views of suffering in the Christian journey 1:04:47: Spiritual bypassing, disassociation, and transcendence 1:10:24: Suffering as initiation into reality, and God 1:12:39: Labels vs essence. Christian as noun and not adjective 1:19:18: Suffering dissolving illusion, bringing us into contact with reality 1:24:15: How is my faith more than a set of propositions? 1:25:49: Hope is not an emotion but an imagination 1:28:19: Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E9: Dr Andrew M Davis: Philosophy, Theology, and Alien Life

S3 E9: Dr Andrew M Davis: Philosophy, Theology, and Alien Life

S3 E9: Dr Andrew M Davis: Philosophy, Theology, and Alien Life If our theological framework was developed in medieval times under an earth centric understanding of the universe, how does that change with the discovery of near infinite galaxies out there? What does a Christian faith look like that is not earth centric or human centric? What does that do to the doctrine of the incarnation; God becoming human? If intelligent alien life made itself known to us, what theologies would go out the window? Today we talk with Dr Andrew M. Davis, American process philosopher, theologian, and scholar of cosmological wonder. He is program director for the Center for Process Studies where he researches, writes, teaches, and organizes conferences on various aspects of process-relational thought. He has written many academic articles and books, and we talk about his book Metaphysics of Exo-Life: Toward a Constructive Whiteheadian Cosmotheology. But don’t let that title scare you away. This is one of the most fun conversations I have had. It felt like talking theology and philosophy with one of my favorite Science Fiction authors. You can purchase Andrew’s new book here: https://rb.gy/2ou2fs You can find Andrew’s work here: https://www.andrewmdavis.info/ Time Stamps for the episode: 03:54 Beer and Philosophy 07:32 Evangelical and academic roots 12:37 Turning points in faith 18:13 Expanding theology to fit the larger cosmos 22:36 Medieval theology in a modern context 26:55 Getting creative with contextualizing theology 31:35 What happens to certain theology if alien life is discovered? 37:44 Decentering our world / recentering our experience 43:03 The Church’s severe humbling through science 48:32 The world as verb instead of noun 54:37 Re-enchanting our modern world 1:01:34 incarnation and un-centering humanity from cosmology 1:08:45 Shift from instrumental value to Intrinsic 1:15:10 Spirituality as bridge between theory and practice 1:18:51 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

108: Jacci Turner: How to Survive this Presidency

108: Jacci Turner: How to Survive this Presidency

takeaways Grounding in spiritual practices is essential during chaotic times. Community support can provide strength and resilience. Limiting social media exposure can help maintain mental health. Deconstruction can be a transformative process, akin to a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. Creativity can serve as a pathway to hope and healing. Intentionality in actions can turn everyday activities into spiritual practices. Listening to marginalized voices is crucial for rebuilding faith and community. Open conversations about political differences can foster understanding. Betrayal can stem from political choices that affect loved ones. Hope is vital for navigating through difficult times. Empathy can be challenging when political views clash. Cocooning is a valid way to protect oneself from harm. Storytelling humanizes experiences and fosters connection. Finding voices that inspire hope is crucial in difficult times. Creating safe spaces in community is essential for open dialogue. Speaking up for justice is a responsibility we all share. Lowering expectations during grief can be empowering. Hope is vital for resilience in tough situations. Maintaining kindness is a personal goal worth striving for. Rituals can ground us in times of distress. Links web: https://www.jacciturner.com/ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

14: Rohadi Nagassar: Race and Deconstructing Whiteness

14: Rohadi Nagassar: Race and Deconstructing Whiteness

Today I talk to Rohadi Nagassar about his newest book When We Belong. Reclaiming Christianity on the Margins. from Herald Press. Rohadi writes and speaks on the topics of decolonizing, liberation, and deconstructing western Christianity. And today we talk about just that, focusing in on talking about Deconstructing white supremacy and whiteness from our faith. He has planted two churches including an inner-city multi-ethnic expression called Cypher Church. He has also written extensively in the areas of missions and church leadership including his book, Thrive. Ideas to lead the church in post-Christendom. Rohadi lives in Canada, on Treaty 7 Lands, otherwise known as Calgary, and holds a Business Certificate from Mount Royal College, a BA in Economics from the University of Calgary, and a Master of Divinity from Canadian Theological Seminary. His experience includes non-profit work in both governance and organizational development. He is the past-chair of ACT Alberta, one of the largest anti-human trafficking NGOs in Canada. Hes also a director with Mosaic Ministries. Rohadis private sector experience includes running his marketing consultancy firm for over 20 years. Listen to his podcast: Faith in a Fresh Vibe: https://www.rohadi.com/podcast/ Website: www.rohadi.com Twitter: @rohadi Instagram: @rohadi.nagassar His books: shop.rohadi.com Time Stamps for the episode: 2:05: Tell me about your people 7:05: Finding the roots of our people before assimilation 10:40: Genetic and Generational residual trauma 14:52: Faith roots: the only people of color in a white evangelical church 17:51: What aint right: White supremacy 22:29: Finding Belonging 25:35: What is actually happening in deconstruction 31:39: naming the powers of white-ness 37:42: White-ness IS the water we all swim in 44:04: White folks can find their people and roots too 47:04: White Folks roots can depolarize us from white-ness politics 49:08: Wholistic Belonging: Self, Community, Land, God 53:27: Assimilation vs Belonging 58:30: Attempts at diversity 1:03:00: Four Pillars of White Supremacy 1:06:09: Shifts in society toward Post Christian 1:11:16: Liminal Living Practices All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

51: Josh Patterson: Mysticism, Spiritual Evolution, Merton

51: Josh Patterson: Mysticism, Spiritual Evolution, Merton

What happens when you get two deconstructed pastors in a zoom conversation together? A talk that spans from Thomas Mertons mysticism, faith evolution, open and relational theology, Christian nationalism, and beer. Todays conversation is the sharing of two deconstruction journeys and the evolution of faith that took place. Today we talk with Josh Patterson, who runs the (Re)thinking Faith Podcast which explores Christianity and spirituality from a progressive, deconstructed perspective. Coming from an evangelical background, Patterson interviews guests from various faiths and backgrounds to have honest dialogues about questioning long-held Christian beliefs, the intersection of faith and reason, finding meaning outside rigid doctrines, and reconstructing one's spiritual worldview with integrity. Through storytelling, Bible analysis, and respectful discourse, the podcast aims to create a space for those rethinking, doubting, or evolving their faith to engage with the doubts, struggles, and spiritual evolutions many go through. You can find the (Re)thinking Faith podcast here: rb.gy/ong4jw Also Joshs patreon is here: https://www.patreon.com/RethinkingFaith Time Stamps for the episode: 03:54 Beer 09:46 Kicked out of church 14:02 Evolution of faith and practice 18:45 A mystical experience 23:11 Open and relational theology saved me 27:31 trusting our own experience 31:37 Thomas Merton saved me 37:58 How mystics saved the Church 43:19 Hope, optimism, cynicism and despair 48:53 F#!@, Im still a Christian 52:43 Voices on the Margins 59:07 Christian nationalism All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2 E10: Rohadi Nagassar: Race and Deconstructing Whiteness

S2 E10: Rohadi Nagassar: Race and Deconstructing Whiteness

Today I talk to Rohadi Nagassar about his newest book “When We Belong. Reclaiming Christianity on the Margins.” from Herald Press. Rohadi writes and speaks on the topics of decolonizing, liberation, and deconstructing western Christianity. And today we talk about just that, focusing in on talking about Deconstructing white supremacy and whiteness from our faith. He has planted two churches including an inner-city multi-ethnic expression called Cypher Church. He has also written extensively in the areas of missions and church leadership including his book, “Thrive. Ideas to lead the church in post-Christendom”. Rohadi lives in Canada, on Treaty 7 Lands, otherwise known as Calgary, and holds a Business Certificate from Mount Royal College, a BA in Economics from the University of Calgary, and a Master of Divinity from Canadian Theological Seminary. His experience includes non-profit work in both governance and organizational development. He is the past-chair of ACT Alberta, one of the largest anti-human trafficking NGOs in Canada. He’s also a director with Mosaic Ministries. Rohadi’s private sector experience includes running his marketing consultancy firm for over 20 years. Listen to his podcast: Faith in a Fresh Vibe: https://www.rohadi.com/podcast/ Website: www.rohadi.com Twitter: @rohadi Instagram: @rohadi.nagassar His books: shop.rohadi.com Time Stamps for the episode: 2:05: Tell me about your people 7:05: Finding the roots of our people before assimilation 10:40: Genetic and Generational residual trauma 14:52: “Faith roots: the only people of color in a white evangelical church 17:51: What ain’t right: White supremacy 22:29: Finding Belonging 25:35: What is actually happening in deconstruction 31:39: naming the powers of white-ness 37:42: White-ness IS the water we all swim in 44:04: White folks can find their people and roots too 47:04: White Folks roots can depolarize us from white-ness politics 49:08: Wholistic Belonging: Self, Community, Land, God 53:27: Assimilation vs Belonging 58:30: Attempts at diversity 1:03:00: Four Pillars of White Supremacy 1:06:09: Shifts in society toward Post Christian 1:11:16: Liminal Living Practices All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E10: Josh Patterson: Mysticism, Spiritual Evolution, Merton

S3 E10: Josh Patterson: Mysticism, Spiritual Evolution, Merton

What happens when you get two deconstructed pastors in a zoom conversation together? A talk that spans from Thomas Merton’s mysticism, faith evolution, open and relational theology, Christian nationalism, and beer. Today’s conversation is the sharing of two deconstruction journeys and the evolution of faith that took place. Today we talk with Josh Patterson, who runs the (Re)thinking Faith Podcast which explores Christianity and spirituality from a progressive, deconstructed perspective. Coming from an evangelical background, Patterson interviews guests from various faiths and backgrounds to have honest dialogues about questioning long-held Christian beliefs, the intersection of faith and reason, finding meaning outside rigid doctrines, and reconstructing one's spiritual worldview with integrity. Through storytelling, Bible analysis, and respectful discourse, the podcast aims to create a space for those rethinking, doubting, or evolving their faith to engage with the doubts, struggles, and spiritual evolutions many go through. You can find the (Re)thinking Faith podcast here: rb.gy/ong4jw Also Josh’s patreon is here: https://www.patreon.com/RethinkingFaith Time Stamps for the episode: 03:54 Beer 09:46 Kicked out of church 14:02 Evolution of faith and practice 18:45 A mystical experience 23:11 Open and relational theology saved me 27:31 trusting our own experience 31:37 Thomas Merton saved me 37:58 How mystics saved the Church 43:19 Hope, optimism, cynicism and despair 48:53 F#!@, I’m still a Christian 52:43 Voices on the Margins 59:07 Christian nationalism All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

109: Chad Bahl: God is Not Supernatural?

109: Chad Bahl: God is Not Supernatural?

Key Topics Covered: Why Supernaturalism Fails: Unpacking the medieval roots of supernaturalism and its incompatibility with modern questions of suffering (theodicy) and free will. Process Theology 101: Discover how thinkers like Alfred North Whitehead, David Ray Griffin, and Thomas J. Ord redefine God as a relational, persuasive force withinnot abovethe natural world. Panentheism vs. Supernaturalism: How God is the soul of the universe, intimately woven into creations fabric. Metamodern Spirituality: Bridging science and faith through experiential, interconnected frameworks. Practical Implications: How process theology enriches prayer, worship, and ethical living in a post-supernatural age. Mentioned Works & Thinkers: David Ray Griffins Naturalism PPP Friedrich Schleiermachers God-consciousness Chad Balls devotional Mornings with Schleiermacher Why Watch? Whether youre deconstructing faith, exploring progressive theology, or seeking a God compatible with science and human freedom, this episode offers fresh insights for skeptics and believers alike. Subscribe to Liminal Living for more deep dives into theology, philosophy, and liminal spirituality. Like, comment, and share to join the conversation! Links: Chab Bahl's Author Page: [ Amazon ] Chad Bahl's other Author Page: [ Deconstructing Hell ] Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

15: Kevin Sweeney: The Joy of Letting Go

15: Kevin Sweeney: The Joy of Letting Go

Today I talked to Kevin Sweeney about his newest book The Joy of Letting Go, eventually we got there, at least. First we talk about a lot of amazing things, his journey as a teenager using psychedelic mushrooms and meeting God, his journey into Bible College, his deconstruction from that understanding and into Black Womanist Liberation Theology. Kevin is a wise man with a unique journey, and that makes it hard to sum up our conversation in a paragraph. Kevin was co-founder and lead pastor of Imagine Church in Honolulu for almost ten years, He was co-founder of the Honolulu based creative collective The (un)Commons, He has also organized and taught multiple Enneagram Experience events in Hawaii and California, he helped lead Saying Grace, a curated gathering of dinners and stories between the church and the LGBTQ community in Honolulu. He is the host of podcast The Church Needs Therapy and is a best selling author. His two books are The Making of a Mystic: My Journey with Mushrooms, My Life as a Pastor, and Why Its Okay For Everyone to Relax, and The Joy of Letting Go. He currently lives and surfs In Honolulu with his wife and co-founder of Imagine, Christine, and their two kids, True and Mikayla. Listen to his podcast: https://rb.gy/iwemt Website: www.https://www.kevinsweeneynow.com/ His on Amazon: https://rb.gy/3i8sh Time Stamps for the episode: 2:19: Faith Roots and leaving the Catholic Church 7:48: Meeting God on Psychedelic Mushrooms, and an existential crisis 13:02: The search for whats real, not just whats right 18:09: Building a system of Belief at Bible College, then going emergent 22:53: A call to be a pastor and not knowing what that meant 27:35: The Summer of Emergent 33:11: Finding truth in Black Womanist Liberation Theology 38:16: Voices who shape us along the journey, stages of beleif 45:07: Voices from higher up the mountain speaking to us at different stages in different ways 51:17: Writing The Joy of Letting Go 57:29: Letting go is not spiritual bypassing but walking the paschal mystery 1:03:13: The Gospel narratives of Letting Go. 1:08:25: We dont want to wake up 1:10:18: Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

52: Trey Ferguson: Theologizin Bigger

52: Trey Ferguson: Theologizin Bigger

Have you ever felt like your faith tradition put you in a box, stifling your curiosity and ability to ask real questions? If so, then you'll want to hear this interview with author Trey Ferguson. Trey's book "Theologizin Bigger" takes a refreshing look at how to "theologize" - to wrestle with faith and theology in an embodied way that embraces mystery, questioning, and diverse perspectives. In our conversation, Trey unpacked how the Western evangelical desire for a uniform, objective understanding of faith has alienated and dismissed voices from the margins. He made an insightful distinction between merely studying theology as an expert versus the active, effortful work of "theologizing." Trey also painted a powerful picture of Pentecost as the antidote to the Tower of Babel - where the miracle was the ability for truth to be expressed in many languages, not conformity to one standard. With wisdom and lyrical profundity, he issued a call to hold a non-polarized space that allows both questioners and doctrinal guardians to learn from each other's perspectives. Trey's work is an inspiring vision for how to engage faith with intellectual humility while reclaiming our God-given curiosity. Trey Ferguson, is a pastor, podcaster, and public theologian who likes playing with words. Whether it be with tweets, videos, essays, sermonic presentations, Bible studies, podcasts, or speaking engagements, hes always trying to provoke an image in a seeker with some combination of words.. You can find Treys book here: https://rb.gy/s3tzca You can connect to Treys many other works here: https://www.pastortrey05.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: 02:46 Sports Dad 08:23 Treys soil his life grew from 13:29 Faith Evolution 18:15 Theologizin breaks a sweat 22:35 Theology that works in real life 26:59 Shrinking churches with taller walls 33:09 Inerrancy as white supremacy 38:06 Spiritualizing our problems 43:03 A humble hermeneutic of love 48:29 Weaponizing our ideas 51:20 Pentecost diversity vs Evangelical uniformity 57:20 Prioritize participation not objectification All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2 E11: Kevin Sweeney: The Joy of Letting Go

S2 E11: Kevin Sweeney: The Joy of Letting Go

Today I talked to Kevin Sweeney about his newest book “The Joy of Letting Go…,” eventually we got there, at least. First we talk about a lot of amazing things, his journey as a teenager using psychedelic mushrooms and meeting God, his journey into Bible College, his deconstruction from that understanding and into Black Womanist Liberation Theology. Kevin is a wise man with a unique journey, and that makes it hard to sum up our conversation in a paragraph. Kevin was co-founder and lead pastor of Imagine Church in Honolulu for almost ten years, He was co-founder of the Honolulu based creative collective The (un)Commons, He has also organized and taught multiple Enneagram Experience events in Hawai’i and California, he helped lead “Saying Grace,” a curated gathering of dinners and stories between the church and the LGBTQ community in Honolulu. He is the host of podcast “The Church Needs Therapy” and is a best selling author. His two books are “The Making of a Mystic: My Journey with Mushrooms, My Life as a Pastor, and Why It’s Okay For Everyone to Relax,” and “The Joy of Letting Go.” He currently lives and surfs In Honolulu with his wife and co-founder of Imagine, Christine, and their two kids, True and Mikayla. Listen to his podcast: https://rb.gy/iwemt Website: www.https://www.kevinsweeneynow.com/ His on Amazon: https://rb.gy/3i8sh Time Stamps for the episode: 2:19: Faith Roots and leaving the Catholic Church 7:48: Meeting God on Psychedelic Mushrooms, and an existential crisis 13:02: The search for what’s real, not just what’s right 18:09: Building a system of Belief at Bible College, then “going emergent” 22:53: A call to be a pastor and not knowing what that meant 27:35: The Summer of Emergent 33:11: Finding truth in Black Womanist Liberation Theology 38:16: Voices who shape us along the journey, stages of beleif 45:07: Voices from higher up the mountain speaking to us at different stages in different ways 51:17: Writing The Joy of Letting Go 57:29: Letting go is not spiritual bypassing but walking the paschal mystery 1:03:13: The Gospel narratives of Letting Go. 1:08:25: We don’t want to wake up 1:10:18: Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E11: Trey Ferguson: Theologizin Bigger

S3 E11: Trey Ferguson: Theologizin Bigger

Have you ever felt like your faith tradition put you in a box, stifling your curiosity and ability to ask real questions? If so, then you'll want to hear this interview with author Trey Ferguson. Trey's book "Theologizin Bigger" takes a refreshing look at how to "theologize" - to wrestle with faith and theology in an embodied way that embraces mystery, questioning, and diverse perspectives. In our conversation, Trey unpacked how the Western evangelical desire for a uniform, objective understanding of faith has alienated and dismissed voices from the margins. He made an insightful distinction between merely studying theology as an expert versus the active, effortful work of "theologizing." Trey also painted a powerful picture of Pentecost as the antidote to the Tower of Babel - where the miracle was the ability for truth to be expressed in many languages, not conformity to one standard. With wisdom and lyrical profundity, he issued a call to hold a non-polarized space that allows both questioners and doctrinal guardians to learn from each other's perspectives. Trey's work is an inspiring vision for how to engage faith with intellectual humility while reclaiming our God-given curiosity. Trey Ferguson, is a pastor, podcaster, and public theologian who likes playing with words. Whether it be with tweets, videos, essays, sermonic presentations, Bible studies, podcasts, or speaking engagements, he’s always trying to provoke an image in a seeker with some combination of words.. You can find Trey’s book here: https://rb.gy/s3tzca You can connect to Trey’s many other works here: https://www.pastortrey05.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: 02:46 Sports Dad 08:23 Trey’s soil his life grew from 13:29 Faith Evolution 18:15 Theologizin breaks a sweat 22:35 Theology that works in real life 26:59 Shrinking churches with taller walls 33:09 Inerrancy as white supremacy 38:06 Spiritualizing our problems 43:03 A humble hermeneutic of love 48:29 Weaponizing our ideas 51:20 Pentecost diversity vs Evangelical uniformity 57:20 Prioritize participation not objectification All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

110: Preston Sharpe: Liturgical Rhythms, Resurrection Hope

110: Preston Sharpe: Liturgical Rhythms, Resurrection Hope

Key Topics Covered: From Charismatic to Anglican: Prestons journey from a Tulsa megachurch upbringing to embracing sacramental, liturgical traditions. Why Easter Matters for 50 Days: Rediscovering resurrection as a way of life not just a doctrineand its implications for justice, forgiveness, and hope. Liturgical Living: How ancient rhythms (like Lent, Eastertide, and Ordinary Time) reshape faith beyond entertainment-driven worship. Deconstruction & Doubt: Navigating faith shifts, cognitive dissonance, and why doubt is a natural companion to trust. Resisting Christian Nationalism: Re-centering Christian identity on Jesus self-giving love over political power. Practical Faith: Why Resurrection People (Prestons new book) invites us to feast, celebrate, and embody resurrection daily. Featured Work: Prestons upcoming book: Resurrection People: A Journey from Easter to Pentecost (releasing March 2024). Weekly lectionary resources at The Art of Preaching Substack. Why Watch? Whether youre deconstructing faith, curious about liturgical practices, or weary of politicized Christianity, this episode offers hope for a faith rooted in Jesus life, death, and resurrection. Subscribe to Liminal Living for more conversations on faith, doubt, and spiritual transformation. Like, comment, and share to join the dialogue! Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

16: Tom Rundel: Ask Me Anything Pt 1: Suffering Edition

16: Tom Rundel: Ask Me Anything Pt 1: Suffering Edition

Today I asked many of you to submit your questions to me for an Ask Me Anything episode, and I was absolutely shocked at the amount of questions I received. I have four pages of your questions, and today I took on four of them. #1 from Paul: How do you recognize God during deconstruction when God seems to have completely disappeared? #2 from Scott: When there are tragedies in people's lives, what other things can we genuinely say to them other than we are praying for you, or its all in Gods plan that will be helpful in their situation? #3 from Lance: The problem of evil; "If there is a loving God, then why does He allow bad things to happen?" #4 Tim: When you have gone through your toughest season(s), what was your spiritual "North Star?" Along the same lines... what was your biggest fear during that season? And along the same lines... where were you most misunderstood? Time Stamps for the episode: 0:45: Introduction 2:41: Paul: Finding Gods presence during a Deconstruction of irreconcilable ideas 12:28: Paul: Finding Gods presence during Deconstruction in a Season of Suffering 19:37: Paul: Finding Gods presence during Deconstruction due to abuse 25:42: Paul: Finding Gods presence during a Deconstruction of Dark Night of the Soul 30:53: Scott: The best thing to say when someone is suffering, anxiety dumping is not it 38:47: Lance: If God is all powerful AND all loving, why is there suffering? 49:08: Tim: During a season of suffering what was your North Star? 58:19: Tim: During a season of suffering how were you misunderstood and what was your greatest fear? 1:02:28: Outro All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

53: Matthew Paul Turner: Finding Belonging after deconstruction

53: Matthew Paul Turner: Finding Belonging after deconstruction

Have you struggled with finding community and belonging after deconstruction? Many do, because you are in a liminal space of development, unsure of who you are, what you believe, and therefore, who your people are. Matthew Paul Turner, no relation to Tina, has been on a journey of belonging that he illustrates with a new Childrens book, You Will Always Belong. Matthew takes deep spiritual truths around the concept of identity and makes them accessible to children, and therefore, that inner child in you that desires to belong. The starting place: learn to belong to yourself so that you know what people it is safe to belong to. Matthew Paul Turner has traveled the globe as a photographer, journalist and humanitarian documentarian. But he has truly made his mark in the world of children's literature. The #1 New York Times bestselling author brings an unmatched gift for rhyme and powerful storytelling to his inspiring books for young readers. Whether documenting the struggles of impoverished communities through his non-profit work or capturing the stunning visuals of National Geographic's "The Story of God" series with Morgan Freeman, Turner has a keen eye for narratives that reveal the full depth of the human experience. With deliberate messages of hope, empowerment and unlocking the resilience of the spirit, his children's books blend lyrical prose with lessons that will captivate young minds. From the realities he's witnessed globally to the imaginations he aims to spark, Turner is a versatile storyteller using his talents to craft transformative tales for all ages. You can find Mattthews book here: https://rb.gy/95yd5a You can connect to Matthews many other works here: https://matthewpaulturner.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: Time Stamps for the episode: 02:46 Beard Talk 06:43 Teenage Drivers 11:43 Matthew the Author 17:19 Writing childrens books for adults 23:29 Hurricane Katrina and shifting politics 29:45 The primacy of compassion 33:56 Changing political camps 38:57 Church as priest of capitalism 44:12 The violence of converting and convicting 49:26 The American Church needs humbling 55:56 Finding belonging 1:01:03 You belong, you do. All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2 E12: Ask Me Anything Pt 1: Suffering Edition

S2 E12: Ask Me Anything Pt 1: Suffering Edition

Today I asked many of you to submit your questions to me for an Ask Me Anything episode, and I was absolutely shocked at the amount of questions I received. I have four pages of your questions, and today I took on four of them. #1 from Paul: How do you recognize God during deconstruction when God seems to have completely disappeared? #2 from Scott: When there are tragedies in people's lives, what other things can we genuinely say to them other than “we are praying for you”, or “it’s all in Gods plan” that will be helpful in their situation? #3 from Lance: The problem of evil; "If there is a loving God, then why does He allow bad things to happen?" #4 Tim: When you have gone through your toughest season(s), what was your spiritual "North Star?" Along the same lines... what was your biggest fear during that season? And along the same lines... where were you most misunderstood? Time Stamps for the episode: 0:45: Introduction 2:41: Paul: Finding God’s presence during a Deconstruction of irreconcilable ideas 12:28: Paul: Finding God’s presence during Deconstruction in a Season of Suffering 19:37: Paul: Finding God’s presence during Deconstruction due to abuse 25:42: Paul: Finding God’s presence during a Deconstruction of Dark Night of the Soul 30:53: Scott: The best thing to say when someone is suffering, anxiety dumping is not it 38:47: Lance: If God is all powerful AND all loving, why is there suffering? 49:08: Tim: During a season of suffering what was your North Star? 58:19: Tim: During a season of suffering how were you misunderstood and what was your greatest fear? 1:02:28: Outro All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E12: Matthew Paul Turner: Finding Belonging after deconstruction

S3 E12: Matthew Paul Turner: Finding Belonging after deconstruction

Have you struggled with finding community and belonging after deconstruction? Many do, because you are in a liminal space of development, unsure of who you are, what you believe, and therefore, who your people are. Matthew Paul Turner, no relation to Tina, has been on a journey of belonging that he illustrates with a new Children’s book, You Will Always Belong. Matthew takes deep spiritual truths around the concept of identity and makes them accessible to children, and therefore, that inner child in you that desires to belong. The starting place: learn to belong to yourself so that you know what people it is safe to belong to. Matthew Paul Turner has traveled the globe as a photographer, journalist and humanitarian documentarian. But he has truly made his mark in the world of children's literature. The #1 New York Times bestselling author brings an unmatched gift for rhyme and powerful storytelling to his inspiring books for young readers. Whether documenting the struggles of impoverished communities through his non-profit work or capturing the stunning visuals of National Geographic's "The Story of God" series with Morgan Freeman, Turner has a keen eye for narratives that reveal the full depth of the human experience. With deliberate messages of hope, empowerment and unlocking the resilience of the spirit, his children's books blend lyrical prose with lessons that will captivate young minds. From the realities he's witnessed globally to the imaginations he aims to spark, Turner is a versatile storyteller using his talents to craft transformative tales for all ages. You can find Mattthew’s book here: https://rb.gy/95yd5a You can connect to Matthew’s many other works here: https://matthewpaulturner.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: Time Stamps for the episode: 02:46 Beard Talk 06:43 Teenage Drivers 11:43 Matthew the Author 17:19 Writing children’s books for adults 23:29 Hurricane Katrina and shifting politics 29:45 The primacy of compassion 33:56 Changing political camps 38:57 Church as priest of capitalism 44:12 The violence of converting and convicting 49:26 The American Church needs humbling 55:56 Finding belonging 1:01:03 You belong, you do. All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

111: Aaron Niequist: Faith, Liturgy, and Navigating Disillusionment

111: Aaron Niequist: Faith, Liturgy, and Navigating Disillusionment

Key Takeaways From Beliefs to Practice : Aaron advocates for shifting from a beliefs-based faith to a practice-based spirituality, where doing (e.g., forgiveness, liturgy, service) shapes belief more than intellectual assent. Ecumenical Future : The future of faith communities lies in crossing denominational silos, integrating traditions (e.g., evangelical hospitality with liturgical depth), and creating spaces for diverse expressions of worship. Critique of American Christianity : Both progressive and conservative Christian traditions often prioritize cultural power (e.g., nationalism, consumerism) over the "enemy-loving, peacemaking way of Jesus." Embodied Spirituality : Practices like the Ignatian Examen, centering prayer, and communal lament help re-enchant faith by grounding it in the body and daily life. Soundtrack of Struggle : Aarons current spiritual "soundtrack" is the Icelandic band Sigur Rs, whose haunting, wordless music mirrors his mix of disillusionment and hope. Chapter Breakdown Introductions & Soundtrack of Life (00:0010:00) Aaron shares his emotional state (disillusioned yet hopeful) and chooses Sigur Rs as his metaphorical soundtrack. Tom recommends Jesse Wells, a folk artist embodying modern resistance music. Faith Roots & Deconstruction (10:0125:00) Aarons upbringing in the Plymouth Brethren tradition and later evangelical mega-churches. His faith crisis and rediscovery of Jesus kingdom message through Dallas Willards The Divine Conspiracy. Liturgy, Hospitality, and Re-enchantment (25:0145:00) The role of liturgy in forming community and the need for "hospitable" worship. Critique of evangelical emotional manipulation vs. liturgical depth. Toms story of revitalizing liturgy by rediscovering its symbolic meaning. American Christianity & Political Disillusionment (45:0101:00:00) The dangers of conflating faith with political power. Reflections on MAGA, progressive capitalism, and the churchs failure to discern. The Future of Faith Communities (01:00:01End) The importance of ecumenical retreats (e.g., Pastors, Priests, and Guides). Aarons book The Eternal Current and practices like forgiveness as miraculous acts. Links & Resources Aarons Book : The Eternal Current: How a Practice-Based Faith Can Save Us from Drowning Website : aaroniequist.com Instagram : @aaroniequist Retreats : Pastors, Priests, and Guides Retreats (Boston, Chicago, Malibu in 2024) Music Mentioned : Sigur Rs (Aarons soundtrack) Jesse Wells (Toms recommendation) Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

17: Tom Rundel: Ask Me Anything: Spiritual Practice Edition

17: Tom Rundel: Ask Me Anything: Spiritual Practice Edition

Today I asked many of you to submit your questions to me for an Ask Me Anything episode, and I was absolutely shocked at the amount of questions I received. I have four pages of your questions, and today I took on four of them. #1 from Joseph: Do I have to love myself in order to have a relationship with God or to love God? #2 from Jason: How does one "grow in their faith?" #3 from Jacki: What is the point of praying on behalf of someone? Does a person/s praying for someone bring them to the attention of God and he gives them grace, protection, or healing? My thought is that God is already taking care of that person and has them on his radar. It just doesnt seem like we need to remind God to have grace or mercy on an individual. #4 from Jeremie: Do you think the current interpretation of prayer in modern Christianity is lost in translation? Meaning instead of asking an omnipotent spirit in the sky for favors, prayer is intended to be a time of meditation and introspection, maybe similar to meditative practices in other religious traditions. #5 from Jason: Is there a difference between Christian meditation and meditation in other religions? #6 from Tim: - If you could give spiritual advice to your 20 year old self, what would the most important thing you'd say? Time Stamps for the episode: 0:45: Introduction 3:45: The Revivalists Screwed with us 8:48: The Worst Sermon Ever Preached 13:53: Charles Finney Ruins Church 19:16: The Origin of Backslider Theology 26:13: Fostered Religious Anxiety 32:45: Stages of Love 37:57: Psychological Projection and Hate 42:43: 3 Dimensional Spiritual Growth: Discipleship 48:25: 3 Dimensional Spiritual Growth: Spiritual Formation, Contemplation 53:50: What Does Prayer Do? 1:01:44: Christian Meditation vs Other Religions 1:03:48: Advice Id give my 20 year old self: Chill out All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

54: Amy Fritz: Untangling Faith from the Evangelical Industrial Complex

54: Amy Fritz: Untangling Faith from the Evangelical Industrial Complex

Has your faith community become a breeding ground for spiritual abuse? Today I talk to Amy Fritz, host of the podcast "Untangled Faith," and we delve into the complexities of spiritual abuse within faith communities, drawing from her personal experiences and her husband's encounters while working for Dave Ramasey. Through occasional articles, Amy shares insights on faith, parenting, and simplifying life while fostering meaningful connections. In this insightful interview, she discusses pivotal moments in her faith journey, theological perspectives that reshaped her thinking, and sustaining practices that offer hope. Touching on topics like reorganized religion, abusive tactics, and the impact of the Evangelical industrial complex, Amy explores where the church could head in the next decade with honesty, humility, and openness. We also talk about failing religious leadership, and the transformation needed to address systemic issues within the church. You can find Amys blog here: http://amyfritzwrites.com/ You can connect to Amys podcast here: https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: 02:39 Network and Connections 06:56 Reorganized religion 11:25 The abuse of convert and convince tactics 16:38 Failing religious leaders 22:59 Allergic of pastoral leadership culture 29:19 Leadership corruption 33:22 The Evangelical industrial complex 38:03 untangling faith from Evangelical industrial complex 42:50 The apocalypse we find ourselves in 49:02 Asking: what can we own, and help make right? 54:30 Trying church again 59:13 Walmart-ization of western church 1:04:23 Cannibalizing mega church campuses All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2: E13: Ask Me Anything: Spiritual Practice Edition

S2: E13: Ask Me Anything: Spiritual Practice Edition

Today I asked many of you to submit your questions to me for an Ask Me Anything episode, and I was absolutely shocked at the amount of questions I received. I have four pages of your questions, and today I took on four of them. #1 from Joseph: Do I have to love myself in order to have a relationship with God or to love God? #2 from Jason: How does one "grow in their faith?" #3 from Jacki: What is the point of praying on behalf of someone? Does a person/s praying for someone bring them to the attention of God and he gives them grace, protection, or healing? My thought is that God is already taking care of that person and has them on his radar. It just doesn’t seem like we need to remind God to have grace or mercy on an individual. #4 from Jeremie: Do you think the current interpretation of prayer in modern Christianity is lost in translation? Meaning instead of asking an omnipotent spirit in the sky for favors, prayer is intended to be a time of meditation and introspection, maybe similar to meditative practices in other religious traditions. #5 from Jason: Is there a difference between Christian meditation and meditation in other religions? #6 from Tim: - If you could give spiritual advice to your 20 year old self, what would the most important thing you'd say? Time Stamps for the episode: 0:45: Introduction 3:45: The Revivalists Screwed with us 8:48: The Worst Sermon Ever Preached 13:53: Charles Finney Ruins Church 19:16: The Origin of “Backslider” Theology 26:13: Fostered Religious Anxiety 32:45: Stages of Love 37:57: Psychological Projection and Hate 42:43: 3 Dimensional Spiritual Growth: Discipleship 48:25: 3 Dimensional Spiritual Growth: Spiritual Formation, Contemplation 53:50: What Does Prayer Do? 1:01:44: Christian Meditation vs Other Religions 1:03:48: Advice I’d give my 20 year old self: Chill out All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E13: Amy Fritz: Untangling Faith from the Evangelical Industrial Complex

S2 E13: Amy Fritz: Untangling Faith from the Evangelical Industrial Complex

Has your faith community become a breeding ground for spiritual abuse? Today I talk to Amy Fritz, host of the podcast "Untangled Faith," and we delve into the complexities of spiritual abuse within faith communities, drawing from her personal experiences and her husband's encounters while working for Dave Ramasey. Through occasional articles, Amy shares insights on faith, parenting, and simplifying life while fostering meaningful connections. In this insightful interview, she discusses pivotal moments in her faith journey, theological perspectives that reshaped her thinking, and sustaining practices that offer hope. Touching on topics like reorganized religion, abusive tactics, and the impact of the Evangelical industrial complex, Amy explores where the church could head in the next decade with honesty, humility, and openness. We also talk about failing religious leadership, and the transformation needed to address systemic issues within the church. You can find Amy’s blog here: http://amyfritzwrites.com/ You can connect to Amy’s podcast here: https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: 02:39 Network and Connections 06:56 Reorganized religion 11:25 The abuse of “convert and convince” tactics 16:38 Failing religious leaders 22:59 Allergic of pastoral “leadership” culture 29:19 Leadership corruption 33:22 The Evangelical industrial complex 38:03 untangling faith from Evangelical industrial complex 42:50 The apocalypse we find ourselves in 49:02 Asking: what can we own, and help make right? 54:30 Trying church again 59:13 Walmart-ization of western church 1:04:23 Cannibalizing mega church campuses All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

112: Amanda Tyler: How to End Christian Nationalism

112: Amanda Tyler: How to End Christian Nationalism

Key Takeaways Christian Nationalism Defined : A political ideology merging American and Christian identities, often excluding non-Christians and enforcing conservative, white supremacist norms. Historical Roots : Christian nationalism is intertwined with the doctrine of discovery, slavery, and segregation, using faith to justify oppression. Power Over Principles : The alignment of some Christian groups with political power (e.g., Trump-era policies) often sacrifices theological integrity for influence. Violence and Symbolism : Events like the Tree of Life Synagogue shooting and January 6th Capitol attack exemplify Christian nationalisms violent consequences. Hope in Community : Grassroots conversations, honest history, and interfaith solidarity are vital to resisting Christian nationalism and fostering healing. Chapter Breakdown Amandas Faith & Political Roots (00:0015:00) Growing up in a Baptist family in Texas. Early passion for politics, career in law, and work with Rep. Lloyd Doggett. Faith, Power, and Disillusionment (15:0130:00) Tension between Christian values and political power. Critique of the Moral Majoritys shift from justice to power-seeking. Defining Christian Nationalism (30:0145:00) Links to white supremacy, colonialism, and the myth of America as a Christian nation. January 6th as a modern example of Christian nationalist violence. Historical Trauma and White Supremacy (45:0160:00) The doctrine of discovery, slavery, and systemic racism as foundational to Christian nationalism. Challenges in discussing race and privilege without triggering defensiveness. Hope and Resistance (60:01End) The role of literature ( James by Percival Everett) and community dialogue in healing. Amandas optimism in grassroots movements and truth-telling. Links & Resources Organizations : Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty (BJC) Christians Against Christian Nationalism End Christian Nationalism Campaign Amandas Book : How to End Christian Nationalism (available on the above sites) Mentioned Literature : James by Percival Everett (retelling of Huckleberry Finn ) Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

18: Tom Rundel: Mental Health and Meditation Edition

18: Tom Rundel: Mental Health and Meditation Edition

Today I asked many of you to submit your questions to me for an Ask Me Anything episode, and I was absolutely shocked at the amount of questions I received. I have four pages of your questions, and today I take on just one, but I do a deep dive into the world of mental health. While I am not a mental health expert, I have much work on the intersection of spirituality and mental health. So today we get very practical about how much of the Western Evangelical tradition does not equip us to handle things like trauma and stress, but instead increases it in many cases. So we take on the spiritual practice of meditation today, what happens physiologically and spiritually as we discuss Tims question: How do you view the confluence of spirituality and mental health? In other words, what have you learned about how to navigate difficult seasons from both a spiritual perspective and a mental health perspective? With a revisit and deep dive into Jasons question: Is there a difference between Christian meditation and meditation in other religions? Time Stamps for the episode: 0:59: Introduction 2:57: Spirituality and Psychological Health 8:31: Self-Knowledge vs Self-Righteousness 14:36: Church only took me half way 19:50: Becoming Fully Human and Fully Alive 26:00: The Spirituality of the Nervous System 31:11: Evangelicalism stressed me out 36:44: The Spirituality of the Parasympathetic Nervous System 41:06: The Physiology of Meditation 46:05: The Unconscious Mind 51:06: 6 Forms of Christian Meditation: Lectio Divina, Visio Divina, Ignatian Exercises 56:36: 6 Forms of Christian Meditation: Centering Prayer, Mantra Prayer, Breath Prayer 1:00:18: Meditation of other faith traditions 1:02:11: Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

55: Justin Lee: Coming out as Gay in the Southern Baptist Church

55: Justin Lee: Coming out as Gay in the Southern Baptist Church

Have you ever been made the prayer request of a community because your story didnt match the triumphal testimony narrative? Justin grew up in the Southern Baptist Church as a conservative labeled by his high school peers as God boy. He was handing out tracts, evangelizing, and really good at obeying purity culture rules when it came to women. Then he realized that he was gay. He went on a long journey of wrestling with faith and identity, and we talk about his story today. For over 25 years, Justin Lee has been a leading voice in navigating contentious issues with depth and empathy. As the author of "Talking Across the Divide: How to Communicate with People You Disagree Withand Maybe Even Change the World," his work has been adopted as a college textbook, guiding students through areas of disagreement. Beginning his journey in the 90s as a spokesperson for Bridges Across the Divide, Justin later founded a nonprofit dedicated to fostering dialogue within Christian communities on LGBTQ issues, gaining international recognition for his efforts. His bestselling book, "Torn: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gays-vs.-Christians Debate," has solidified his reputation as a bridge-builder between progressives and conservatives. Justin's influence extends beyond his writing, as a co-host of three podcasts and a sought-after speaker featured in global media outlets. Now, he focuses on empowering individuals to apply strategic dialogue principles to diverse causes, maintaining a vibrant online presence through his YouTube channel and website at GeekyJustin.com. You can preorder Justins book here: https://geekyjustin.com/books/torn-v2/ You can connect to Justins YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/geekyjustin Time Stamps for the episode: 02:48 Boardgame Geekdom 08:04 Board games are like cosplay 11:54 Growing up Baptist 17:13 Coming out into a culture war 23:49 Slow realization, I am gay. 30:10 Making peace with new identity 35:03 Accepting that I cant become straight 41:34 the danger of failed testimony to group narrative 48:43 Wrestling with the clobber passages 55:26 Asking the gay community to help with our theology 1:00:43 weaponizing truth claims 1:05:46 teaching the beginners 1:09:17 dialogue with those ideologically opposed to you All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2: E14: Tom Rundel: Mental Health and Meditation Edition

S2: E14: Tom Rundel: Mental Health and Meditation Edition

Today I asked many of you to submit your questions to me for an Ask Me Anything episode, and I was absolutely shocked at the amount of questions I received. I have four pages of your questions, and today I take on just one, but I do a deep dive into the world of mental health. While I am not a mental health expert, I have much work on the intersection of spirituality and mental health. So today we get very practical about how much of the Western Evangelical tradition does not equip us to handle things like trauma and stress, but instead increases it in many cases. So we take on the spiritual practice of meditation today, what happens physiologically and spiritually as we discuss Tim’s question: “How do you view the confluence of spirituality and mental health? In other words, what have you learned about how to navigate difficult seasons from both a spiritual perspective and a mental health perspective?” With a revisit and deep dive into Jason’s question: Is there a difference between Christian meditation and meditation in other religions? Time Stamps for the episode: 0:59: Introduction 2:57: Spirituality and Psychological Health 8:31: Self-Knowledge vs Self-Righteousness 14:36: Church only took me half way 19:50: Becoming Fully Human and Fully Alive 26:00: The Spirituality of the Nervous System 31:11: Evangelicalism stressed me out 36:44: The Spirituality of the Parasympathetic Nervous System 41:06: The Physiology of Meditation 46:05: The Unconscious Mind 51:06: 6 Forms of Christian Meditation: Lectio Divina, Visio Divina, Ignatian Exercises 56:36: 6 Forms of Christian Meditation: Centering Prayer, Mantra Prayer, Breath Prayer 1:00:18: Meditation of other faith traditions 1:02:11: Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E14: Justin Lee: Coming out as Gay in the Southern Baptist Church

S3 E14: Justin Lee: Coming out as Gay in the Southern Baptist Church

Have you ever been made the “prayer request” of a community because your story didn’t match the triumphal testimony narrative? Justin grew up in the Southern Baptist Church as a conservative labeled by his high school peers as “God boy.” He was handing out tracts, evangelizing, and really good at obeying purity culture rules when it came to women. Then he realized that he was gay. He went on a long journey of wrestling with faith and identity, and we talk about his story today. For over 25 years, Justin Lee has been a leading voice in navigating contentious issues with depth and empathy. As the author of "Talking Across the Divide: How to Communicate with People You Disagree With—and Maybe Even Change the World," his work has been adopted as a college textbook, guiding students through areas of disagreement. Beginning his journey in the 90s as a spokesperson for Bridges Across the Divide, Justin later founded a nonprofit dedicated to fostering dialogue within Christian communities on LGBTQ issues, gaining international recognition for his efforts. His bestselling book, "Torn: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gays-vs.-Christians Debate," has solidified his reputation as a bridge-builder between progressives and conservatives. Justin's influence extends beyond his writing, as a co-host of three podcasts and a sought-after speaker featured in global media outlets. Now, he focuses on empowering individuals to apply strategic dialogue principles to diverse causes, maintaining a vibrant online presence through his YouTube channel and website at GeekyJustin.com. You can preorder Justin’s book here: https://geekyjustin.com/books/torn-v2/ You can connect to Justin’s YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/geekyjustin Time Stamps for the episode: 02:48 Boardgame Geekdom 08:04 Board games are like cosplay 11:54 Growing up Baptist 17:13 Coming out into a culture war 23:49 Slow realization, “I am gay.” 30:10 Making peace with new identity 35:03 Accepting that I can’t become straight 41:34 the danger of failed testimony to group narrative 48:43 Wrestling with the clobber passages 55:26 Asking the gay community to help with our theology 1:00:43 weaponizing truth claims 1:05:46 teaching the beginners 1:09:17 dialogue with those ideologically opposed to you All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

113: Dillon Naber Cruz: Untangling Faith, Fundamentalism, and Nationalism

113: Dillon Naber Cruz: Untangling Faith, Fundamentalism, and Nationalism

takeaways Dillon discusses the cultural diversity in Lancaster County, highlighting the coexistence of Amish and Christian nationalists. He emphasizes the importance of love and neighborly kindness in his theological approach. Dillon's writing project critiques Christian nationalism through the lens of Jesus and Paul's teachings. He expresses a desire to understand biblical figures and their teachings more deeply. The conversation touches on the significance of orthopraxy over orthodoxy in modern faith practices. Dillon shares his personal journey through fundamentalism and the impact of early religious experiences. He reflects on the challenges of reconciling faith with modern scientific understanding. The role of permaculture is discussed as a metaphor for spiritual growth and interconnectedness. Dillon's experiences in seminary led to a deeper exploration of theology and spirituality. The conversation concludes with a focus on finding community and meaning in a changing world. Navigating post-fundamentalism involves reconciling faith with personal beliefs. Experiences of spirituality can transcend traditional dogma. Spiritual nourishment is essential in today's politically charged environment. Christian nationalism poses a significant challenge to authentic faith. The golden rule is a universal principle found across various belief systems. Personal experiences of grace can reshape one's understanding of faith. Community support is vital for those struggling with mental health issues. Hope exists in the form of individuals reevaluating their beliefs. Compassion towards others, even enemies, is a difficult but necessary pursuit. The need for a global perspective on love and humanity is more pressing than ever. Links: Podcast: https://godsquadpodcast.com/ Blog: https://tattooed-theologian.com/about/ Book: [ click here ] Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

19: Caleb Jacobson: A Journey to Agnosticism

19: Caleb Jacobson: A Journey to Agnosticism

What happens when a pastors kid and a worship leader from a Marshill satellite in Seattle becomes an Agnostic? Today on the podcast I talk with long time friend, Caleb Jacobson. Caleb comes from a conservative evangelical background, is a pastor's kid in a family with a heritage of pastoral vocation. Caleb had an existential crisis with his faith, hit a reset button on belief, and reconstructed what he could. He left the pastorate and left the faith and became an Agnostic. I think that it is important to learn of all kinds of Liminal experiences and stories and practice empathy and understanding. I remain curious and ask questions seeking to understand Calebs perspectives and learn along the way. I hope you do as well. Time Stamps for this episode: 2:21: Introduction 4:18: Rockstar for Jesus 9:16: Working at Marshill 14:45: Cleaning the slate of all belief 19:36: Journeying toward Atheism, stopping at Agnosticism 24:08: Questioning the Christian Worldview indoctrination 28:05: Being Ok with the discomfort of unbelief 31:25: Why Atheism and not progressive Christianity? 36:22: Finding peace 41:05: Fear of Death and life eternal 46:53: What is life after death? 51:49: Liminal Living Practice of mindful meditation 56:02: Howd your family take this? 1:01:46 Conclusions Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

56: Ally Henny: I Won't Shut Up

56: Ally Henny: I Won't Shut Up

"Have you ever wondered how one finds their voice in a world that often seeks to silence them? Today, we're diving deep into that question with author and advocate-minister Ally Henny, as we explore her journey of resilience, faith, and empowerment. Ally is the brilliant mind behind "I Won't Shut Up: Finding Your Voice When the World Tries to Silence You," a wonderful work that delves into the complexities of navigating societal pressures and finding one's voice amidst adversity. As the Vice President of The Witness: A Black Christian Collective, Ally is dedicated to empowering Black Christians toward liberation from racism, offering profound insights into the intersection of faith and social justice. Throughout our conversation, we'll journey through Ally's experiences and perspectives, exploring the differences of black and white Christian culture in this country, the effect it has on politics, economics, society, and religion. Also, Ally offers invaluable insights into the tensions of Black freedom and the complexities of navigating racial dynamics within church institutional spaces. So, grab a cup of something caffeinated if your nervous system allows, and settle in and prepare to be enriched by the wisdom and passion of Ally Henny. You can order Allys book here: rb.gy/3897bm You can connect to Allys Work here: allyhenny.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: 02:59 Water damage sucks 05:50 Soil of Rural Missouri 10:52 Black Baptist upbringing 16:33 Black liturgy 23:00 Black politics 28:33 White church culture shock 35:13 Barak Obama is not the anti-christ 40:18 My mamas struggles 47:25 A constellation of harms 55:06 Trauma constellations and their narratives 1:01:59 White individualism 1:08:08 The mythology of meritocracy 1:15:22 Once you see how the sausage is made 1:21:21 Civilized? 1:28:07 Long obedience in the same direction All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2 E15: Caleb Jacobson: A Journey to Agnosticism

S2 E15: Caleb Jacobson: A Journey to Agnosticism

What happens when a pastor’s kid and a worship leader from a Marshill satellite in Seattle becomes an Agnostic? Today on the podcast I talk with long time friend, Caleb Jacobson. Caleb comes from a conservative evangelical background, is a pastor's kid in a family with a heritage of pastoral vocation. Caleb had an existential crisis with his faith, hit a reset button on belief, and reconstructed what he could. He left the pastorate and left the faith and became an Agnostic. I think that it is important to learn of all kinds of Liminal experiences and stories and practice empathy and understanding. I remain curious and ask questions seeking to understand Caleb’s perspectives and learn along the way. I hope you do as well. Time Stamps for this episode: 2:21: Introduction 4:18: Rockstar for Jesus 9:16: Working at Marshill 14:45: Cleaning the slate of all belief 19:36: Journeying toward Atheism, stopping at Agnosticism 24:08: Questioning the Christian Worldview indoctrination 28:05: Being Ok with the discomfort of unbelief 31:25: Why Atheism and not progressive Christianity? 36:22: Finding peace 41:05: Fear of Death and life eternal 46:53: What is life after death? 51:49: Liminal Living Practice of mindful meditation 56:02: How’d your family take this? 1:01:46 Conclusions Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S3 E15: Ally Henny: I Won't Shut Up

S3 E15: Ally Henny: I Won't Shut Up

"Have you ever wondered how one finds their voice in a world that often seeks to silence them? Today, we're diving deep into that question with author and advocate-minister Ally Henny, as we explore her journey of resilience, faith, and empowerment. Ally is the brilliant mind behind "I Won't Shut Up: Finding Your Voice When the World Tries to Silence You," a wonderful work that delves into the complexities of navigating societal pressures and finding one's voice amidst adversity. As the Vice President of The Witness: A Black Christian Collective, Ally is dedicated to empowering Black Christians toward liberation from racism, offering profound insights into the intersection of faith and social justice. Throughout our conversation, we'll journey through Ally's experiences and perspectives, exploring the differences of black and white Christian culture in this country, the effect it has on politics, economics, society, and religion. Also, Ally offers invaluable insights into the tensions of Black freedom and the complexities of navigating racial dynamics within church institutional spaces. So, grab a cup of something caffeinated if your nervous system allows, and settle in and prepare to be enriched by the wisdom and passion of Ally Henny. You can order Ally’s book here: rb.gy/3897bm You can connect to Ally’s Work here: allyhenny.com/ Time Stamps for the episode: 02:59 Water damage sucks 05:50 Soil of Rural Missouri 10:52 Black Baptist upbringing 16:33 Black liturgy 23:00 Black politics 28:33 White church culture shock 35:13 Barak Obama is not the anti-christ 40:18 My mama’s struggles 47:25 A constellation of harms 55:06 Trauma constellations and their narratives 1:01:59 White individualism 1:08:08 The mythology of meritocracy 1:15:22 Once you see how the sausage is made… 1:21:21 Civilized? 1:28:07 Long obedience in the same direction All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

114: Bruce Epperly: Progressive Christianity Can Save Us

114: Bruce Epperly: Progressive Christianity Can Save Us

takeaways Howard Thurman is a significant figure for understanding hope in difficult times. The current political climate creates a crisis of hope for many. Progressive Christianity can serve as a counterforce to conservative ideologies. Empathy is essential for ethical behavior and morality. There is a divide in Christianity that reflects differing beliefs about God. Fear and grievance play a significant role in conservative Christianity. The importance of social justice and activism in faith communities. Mysticism can be a pathway to understanding our spiritual lives. The need for a strong, theologically grounded progressive movement is urgent. Bad behavior often reflects a misunderstanding of God's nature. Empathy is essential in understanding differing perspectives. Progressive Christianity aims to bring health to society and the planet. Christianity must evolve to meet contemporary challenges. Experience should take precedence over rigid doctrines. Faith should be dynamic and culturally relevant. God's presence is universal and not confined to one place. Politics should not define faith, but faith should inform politics. Moral accountability is crucial in political engagement. Hope can be found in small, everyday actions. Self-care and community support are forms of resistance. Links Blog: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/livingaholyadventure/ Book: https://tinyurl.com/35ftpnac Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

20: Lance Hough: The Abuse of Commodifying Creativity in Church

20: Lance Hough: The Abuse of Commodifying Creativity in Church

S2 E16: Lance Hough, The Abuse of Commodifying Creativity What happens when a church continually commodifies creativity for a Sunday morning experience? Today, I talked with a friend and former church creative director, Lance Hough. Lance experienced leadership abuse under a few different pastors that led to an existential crisis concerning his faith and how we experience it in a modern western church experience, and the eventual leaving of ministry and healing of trauma it caused. Lance is a creative individual, and many churches can take advantage of creatives and transform art into a religious commodity to be bought and sold and traded on a Sunday. It ends up being an abusive cycle for those who create and have a stunting effect on the maturity of the attendees who become religious consumers. Time Stamps for the episode: 2:08: Introduction 4:26: Faith roots 7:47: Serving in Church to Career in Church 11:32: How the Sausage is Made 15:51: Abusive Leadership 19:56: Crisis of Career 24:57: Questioning the Leadership and structure 29:42: A Beautiful New Community 35:07: A Fresh Start in Ministry 40:37: Existential Crisis of a Creative Leaders Heart 46:06: Church Franchising 51:55: Putting the Ass in P-ass-tor 57:13: Losing Community Again 1:02:52 Commodifying Creativity 1:08:03 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

57: Chad Bahl: To Hell with Eternal Conscious Torment

57: Chad Bahl: To Hell with Eternal Conscious Torment

"Have you ever always hated the doctrine of eternal conscious torment but felt like it was too central to the faith to discard? Chad is the guy to talk to. Today we deconstruct the theology of ECT, discuss its origins, its evolution, and its future home in the proverbial lake of fire. We also discuss open and relational theology, evangelicalism, liminality, contemplation, and more views of the afterlife. It was an invigorating conversation that let me see that my academic mind can still come out and play every once in a while. Chad Bahl is a DThM candidate at Northwind Theological Seminary, studying under Dr Thomas Jay Oord, where he specializes in the study of Open and Relational Theology. He also has hosted a podcast series: Deconstructing Hell. And is the author of God Unbound: An Evangelical Reconsiders Tradition in Search of Truth, author/editor of Deconstructing Hell: Open and Relational Responses to the Doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, and author of the upcoming Mornings with Schleirmacher. You can order Chads books here: https://rb.gy/kvy57b You can connect to Chads Work here: https://www.facebook.com/chad.bahl Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E16: Chad Bahl: To Hell with Eternal Conscious Torment

S3 E16: Chad Bahl: To Hell with Eternal Conscious Torment

"Have you ever always hated the doctrine of eternal conscious torment but felt like it was too central to the faith to discard? Chad is the guy to talk to. Today we deconstruct the theology of ECT, discuss its origins, its evolution, and its future home in the proverbial lake of fire. We also discuss open and relational theology, evangelicalism, liminality, contemplation, and more views of the afterlife. It was an invigorating conversation that let me see that my academic mind can still come out and play every once in a while. Chad Bahl is a DThM candidate at Northwind Theological Seminary, studying under Dr Thomas Jay Oord, where he specializes in the study of Open and Relational Theology. He also has hosted a podcast series: Deconstructing Hell. And is the author of God Unbound: An Evangelical Reconsiders Tradition in Search of Truth, author/editor of Deconstructing Hell: Open and Relational Responses to the Doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment, and author of the upcoming Mornings with Schleirmacher. You can order Chad’s books here: https://rb.gy/kvy57b You can connect to Chad’s Work here: https://www.facebook.com/chad.bahl Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E16: Lance Hough: The Abuse of Commodifying Creativity in Church

S2 E16: Lance Hough: The Abuse of Commodifying Creativity in Church

S2 E16: Lance Hough, The Abuse of Commodifying Creativity What happens when a church continually commodifies creativity for a Sunday morning experience? Today, I talked with a friend and former church creative director, Lance Hough. Lance experienced leadership abuse under a few different pastors that led to an existential crisis concerning his faith and how we experience it in a modern western church experience, and the eventual leaving of ministry and healing of trauma it caused. Lance is a creative individual, and many churches can take advantage of creatives and transform art into a religious commodity to be bought and sold and traded on a Sunday. It ends up being an abusive cycle for those who create and have a stunting effect on the maturity of the attendees who become religious consumers. Time Stamps for the episode: 2:08: Introduction 4:26: Faith roots 7:47: Serving in Church to Career in Church 11:32: How the Sausage is Made 15:51: Abusive Leadership 19:56: Crisis of Career 24:57: Questioning the Leadership and structure 29:42: A Beautiful New Community 35:07: A Fresh Start in Ministry 40:37: Existential Crisis of a Creative Leader’s Heart 46:06: Church Franchising 51:55: Putting the “Ass” in “P-ass-tor” 57:13: Losing Community Again 1:02:52 Commodifying Creativity 1:08:03 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

115: Kevin Sweeney: A Cosmic Christ Meets a Concrete Jesus

115: Kevin Sweeney: A Cosmic Christ Meets a Concrete Jesus

Show Outline: Podcast Reflections & Growth Toms journey from uncertainty to confidence in hosting. Lessons from awkward interviews and maintaining consistency. Peter Rollins & Parables Kevins college story using Rollins parable of the mystic, evangelical, and fundamentalist. The role of mysticism in challenging dogma. Kevins New Book: Cosmic Christ and Concrete Jesus Origins: Re-examining faith post-church closure and vocational shifts. Defining the Cosmic Christ (universal divine presence) vs. Concrete Jesus (liberation-focused activism). Bridging mysticism and social justice. Deconstruction & Embodiment Faith as direct experience vs. intellectual belief. The danger of spiritual insulation and clichs. Black Prophetic Tradition Contrasting the white Jesus of power with the radical, marginalized Jesus. Liberation theologys influence on Kevins work. Personal & Vocational Shifts Kevins transition from pastoring to hospice chaplaincy. Letting go of next things to embrace the present. Links : Web: https://www.kevinsweeneynow.com/ Pod: The Church Needs Therapy Book: Cosmic Christ Concrete Jesus Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

21: Tom Rundel: Hell, Judgement, and Universal Reconciliation

21: Tom Rundel: Hell, Judgement, and Universal Reconciliation

Does hell exist? Who goes there? Does Matthew 13s furnace reference talk about it? Today, I spout off about my views of hell, judgment, and justice. I share my thoughts around the passage from Matthew 13, commonly called the parable of the wheat and tares, where the wheat and tares are allowed to grow together until the end of the age when the wheat is harvested and put into a barn and the tares are gathered and burned in a furnace. Does this passage talk about hell? If yes, what does it mean? If not, how do we interpret it? I also go into the four classic views of hell, Eternal Conscious Torment, Annihilationism, Purgatorial, and Universal Reconciliation, and talk about where I land these days, why, and what it means for the lived experience of faith. Time Stamps for the episode: 0:40: Introduction 2:02: Matthew 13, weeds and wheat 3:08: Eternal Conscious Torment is the central dogma of fundamentalism 7:40: Judaistic Roots of Mattew 13 12:26: Agricultural Sabotage! 15:44: The Big Baddie in the Bible is not Satan, its Empire 20:49: The Kingdom of God is like 7 different stories 26:14: Justice and Judgment 31:35: Hell and the end of the world 36:51: Gritty Justice in Matthew 42:01: The Daniel Reference in Matthew 13 45:07: 4 Views of Hell, 2 Views of Justice 51:48: Universal Reconciliation 55:52: Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

58: Tom Rundel: Arriving at 95% Certainty is Good Enough

58: Tom Rundel: Arriving at 95% Certainty is Good Enough

"Have you ever wondered how much of what you believe to be true is actually influenced by the quirks of your own mind? In this solo episode of the Liminal Living podcast, we delve into the fascinating realm of cognitive biases and their impact on our perception of reality. We use Brian McLarens list of 13 cognitive biases that cloud our judgment, revealing how they shape our understanding of truth and certainty. Through a philosophical lens, we examine the notion of absolute certainty, suggesting that acknowledging the presence of biases allows us to embrace uncertainty with an open hand. The path to truth lies not in clinging to a rigid sense of certainty, but rather in maintaining a humble acknowledgment of our own limitations. Truth can be best grasped in a mindset where being 95% sure of something allows room for the remaining 5% of uncertainty. Embracing this openness enables us to navigate the complexities of truth with greater clarity and humility. Ultimately, we hope this is a compelling invitation for you to examine your own biases and embrace a more nuanced understanding of reality. Because, the journey towards truth begins with an open hand. You can find Brian McLarens podcast on baises here: https://cac.org/podcasts/why-cant-we-see/ All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E17: Tom Rundel: Arriving at 95% Certainty is Good Enough

S3 E17: Tom Rundel: Arriving at 95% Certainty is Good Enough

"Have you ever wondered how much of what you believe to be true is actually influenced by the quirks of your own mind? In this solo episode of the Liminal Living podcast, we delve into the fascinating realm of cognitive biases and their impact on our perception of reality. We use Brian McLaren’s list of 13 cognitive biases that cloud our judgment, revealing how they shape our understanding of truth and certainty. Through a philosophical lens, we examine the notion of absolute certainty, suggesting that acknowledging the presence of biases allows us to embrace uncertainty with an open hand. The path to truth lies not in clinging to a rigid sense of certainty, but rather in maintaining a humble acknowledgment of our own limitations. Truth can be best grasped in a mindset where being 95% sure of something allows room for the remaining 5% of uncertainty. Embracing this openness enables us to navigate the complexities of truth with greater clarity and humility. Ultimately, we hope this is a compelling invitation for you to examine your own biases and embrace a more nuanced understanding of reality. Because, the journey towards truth begins with an open hand. You can find Brian McLaren’s podcast on baises here: https://cac.org/podcasts/why-cant-we-see/ All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E17: Tom Rundel: Hell, Judgement, and Universal Reconciliation

S2 E17: Tom Rundel: Hell, Judgement, and Universal Reconciliation

Does hell exist? Who goes there? Does Matthew 13’s furnace reference talk about it? Today, I spout off about my views of hell, judgment, and justice. I share my thoughts around the passage from Matthew 13, commonly called the parable of the wheat and tares, where the wheat and tares are allowed to grow together until the end of the age when the wheat is harvested and put into a barn and the tares are gathered and burned in a furnace. Does this passage talk about hell? If yes, what does it mean? If not, how do we interpret it? I also go into the four classic views of hell, Eternal Conscious Torment, Annihilationism, Purgatorial, and Universal Reconciliation, and talk about where I land these days, why, and what it means for the lived experience of faith. Time Stamps for the episode: 0:40: Introduction 2:02: Matthew 13, weeds and wheat 3:08: Eternal Conscious Torment is the central dogma of fundamentalism 7:40: Judaistic Roots of Mattew 13 12:26: Agricultural Sabotage! 15:44: The Big Baddie in the Bible is not Satan, it’s Empire 20:49: The Kingdom of God is like… 7 different stories 26:14: Justice and Judgment 31:35: Hell and the end of the world 36:51: Gritty Justice in Matthew 42:01: The Daniel Reference in Matthew 13 45:07: 4 Views of Hell, 2 Views of Justice 51:48: Universal Reconciliation 55:52: Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

116: Keith Giles: Reading Romans Right, an Unfundamentalist View

116: Keith Giles: Reading Romans Right, an Unfundamentalist View

Keith Giles has written extensively on biblical topics, including the Book of Romans. The collaborative project with Matthew de Stefano was born out of a shared concern about the misinterpretation of Romans. Romans is often misused to justify negative ideologies, which the authors aim to correct. Understanding the structure of Paul's arguments is crucial for accurate interpretation of Romans. The technique of prosopopeia is used by Paul to present opposing viewpoints in his arguments. Many Bible teachers overlook the dual voices present in Romans, leading to misinterpretation. The authors aim to present a more compassionate and loving interpretation of Paul's teachings. Unity in the church does not require agreement on all issues, according to Paul's teachings. The clobber passages in Romans are often taken out of context and misapplied. Paul's emphasis on love and grace is a central theme that is often neglected in traditional interpretations. Romans chapter 1 addresses pagan idol worship, not modern homosexuality. Co-writing can be a rewarding experience with minimal conflict. Future projects may include Galatians and Hebrews. Engaging with critics is essential for theological dialogue. Romans 13 should be understood in the context of love and submission, not blind allegiance. Applying Paul's teachings today requires a focus on individual relationships. Misinterpretations of Romans 7 can lead to unhealthy shame and guilt. Worship culture often emphasizes a negative self-image. Theological discussions should encourage grace and understanding. The journey of unlearning harmful theological patterns is ongoing. Links: Blog: Keith Giles Patheos Book: Reading Romans Right Pod: Second Cup with Keith Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

22: Dan White Jr: Burnout, Ego, Inner Journey to Healing

22: Dan White Jr: Burnout, Ego, Inner Journey to Healing

Have you ever been burned out, had PTSD, had an existential crisis? So has our guest for tToday. I talked with Dan White Jr. a church planting strategist with the V3 Movement, co-founder of the Praxis Gathering, author of 4 books, pastor and Church planter for the last 20+ years, as well as co-founding and building The Kineo Renewal and Retreat Center in Puerto Rico from the ground up with his wife Tonya. Dan has a gentle soul with the gift of healing, which I experienced first hand at a retreat at Kineo. There he delivered his story of pastoring, burning out twice, dealing with CPTSD, struggling with his ego, and recovering to find new vision. He tells his story here today, as well as using his degree in counseling and theology to blend a helpful understanding of a pathway toward your healing. You can find all of Dans materials on his website www.danwhitejr.com Time Stamps for the episode: 2:20: Introduction 6:52: Deconstructing with Rich Mullins 11:55: Journey out of Fundie Baptist and into Anabaptist 17:17: Entering the Ministry 21:34: Experiencing Abuse and burnout in ministry 26:05: The inner work of Ego exploration 30:36: Diagnosed with CPTSD 36:04: Skimming the Ego with Howard Thurman 41:40: Cracking the Ego open for transformation 45:07: Jungs 5 foundational needs of the ego 50:36: How to live in the liminal space of a healed ego and a broken world 55:12: Three responses from others to your true self 59:13: Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

59: Zach Lambert: A Holistic Inclusive Bible Interpretation

59: Zach Lambert: A Holistic Inclusive Bible Interpretation

"Have you ever had a difficult time reading Pauls Epistles? Ever felt like your questions were not part of the preapproved rhetoric of the groupthink? Zach felt the same way growing up in the Southern Baptist Church and lived at the edges of inclusion, fading further away from his faith. And then he read the Gospels and wondered why his church was not talking about this Jesus guy at all. Todays conversation is about progressive Christianity and the inclusivity of the early church. We discuss the shift from a way of living and embodying the teachings of Jesus to an emphasis on intellectual agreement with a set of doctrines. We also explore the misinterpretation of Paul's letters and the need to understand them in their historical and cultural context. Zach shares his personal journey from growing up in a conservative evangelical church to finding a radical encounter with Jesus and reconstructing his faith. We highlight the importance of engaging with the life and teachings of Jesus and the need to move away from an insulated subculture of information. The conversation explores the historical link between evangelicalism and fundamentalism, highlighting how evangelicalism has always been fundamentalism with a new coat of paint. It discusses the rise of a nationalistic, state church in the United States and the need for a coalition of shared value churches that embody the work and way of Jesus. The conversation also delves into the formation and purpose of the Post-Evangelical Collective, a non-profit organization that aims to support and resource churches in the post-evangelical movement. The upcoming book by Zach W. Lambert focuses on providing a holistic understanding of Bible interpretation and offers healthier lenses for engaging with scripture. Zach is the Lead Pastor and founder of Restore, a church that locks arms with the community to help bring restoration to people and neighborhoods in our city and around the world. They say, We dont have everything figured out, but we are on a journey of restoration through Jesus who loves people without prejudice or qualification. Restore is a place where you can be yourself, ask questions, and wont be pressured to conform to any stereotype. He is a native Austinite, and holds a Bachelors of Science in Communication and a Masters of Theology. Zach is also the co-founder of the Post Evangelical Collective--a group of pastors, artists, and leaders committed to full inclusion, holistic justice, deep and wide formation, a gracious posture, and the Way of Jesus. He has just signed a book contract with Brazos Press to author a book dedicated to help people wounded by harsh and legalistic church leaders rediscover the goodness and life-giving power of the Christian story. You can connect with Zachs church here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdqbo_vHkBQ7VWGh9o8TaWQ You can connect with the Post Evangelicals here: www.PostEvangelicalCollective.org All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E18: Zach Lambert: A Holistic Inclusive Bible Interpretation

S3 E18: Zach Lambert: A Holistic Inclusive Bible Interpretation

"Have you ever had a difficult time reading Paul’s Epistles? Ever felt like your questions were not part of the preapproved rhetoric of the groupthink? Zach felt the same way growing up in the Southern Baptist Church and lived at the edges of inclusion, fading further away from his faith. And then he read the Gospels and wondered why his church was not talking about this Jesus guy at all. Today’s conversation is about progressive Christianity and the inclusivity of the early church. We discuss the shift from a way of living and embodying the teachings of Jesus to an emphasis on intellectual agreement with a set of doctrines. We also explore the misinterpretation of Paul's letters and the need to understand them in their historical and cultural context. Zach shares his personal journey from growing up in a conservative evangelical church to finding a radical encounter with Jesus and reconstructing his faith. We highlight the importance of engaging with the life and teachings of Jesus and the need to move away from an insulated subculture of information. The conversation explores the historical link between evangelicalism and fundamentalism, highlighting how evangelicalism has always been fundamentalism with a new coat of paint. It discusses the rise of a nationalistic, state church in the United States and the need for a coalition of shared value churches that embody the work and way of Jesus. The conversation also delves into the formation and purpose of the Post-Evangelical Collective, a non-profit organization that aims to support and resource churches in the post-evangelical movement. The upcoming book by Zach W. Lambert focuses on providing a holistic understanding of Bible interpretation and offers healthier lenses for engaging with scripture. Zach is the Lead Pastor and founder of Restore, a church that locks arms with the community to help bring restoration to people and neighborhoods in our city and around the world. They say, “We don’t have everything figured out, but we are on a journey of restoration through Jesus who loves people without prejudice or qualification. Restore is a place where you can be yourself, ask questions, and won’t be pressured to conform to any stereotype.” He is a native Austinite, and holds a Bachelors of Science in Communication and a Masters of Theology. Zach is also the co-founder of the Post Evangelical Collective--a group of pastors, artists, and leaders committed to full inclusion, holistic justice, deep and wide formation, a gracious posture, and the Way of Jesus. He has just signed a book contract with Brazos Press to author a book dedicated to help people wounded by harsh and legalistic church leaders rediscover the goodness and life-giving power of the Christian story. You can connect with Zach’s church here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdqbo_vHkBQ7VWGh9o8TaWQ You can connect with the Post Evangelicals here: www.PostEvangelicalCollective.org All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E18: Dan White Jr: Burnout, Ego, Inner Journey to Healing

S2 E18: Dan White Jr: Burnout, Ego, Inner Journey to Healing

Have you ever been burned out, had PTSD, had an existential crisis? So has our guest for tToday. I talked with Dan White Jr. a church planting strategist with the V3 Movement, co-founder of the Praxis Gathering, author of 4 books, pastor and Church planter for the last 20+ years, as well as co-founding and building The Kineo Renewal and Retreat Center in Puerto Rico from the ground up with his wife Tonya. Dan has a gentle soul with the gift of healing, which I experienced first hand at a retreat at Kineo. There he delivered his story of pastoring, burning out twice, dealing with CPTSD, struggling with his ego, and recovering to find new vision. He tells his story here today, as well as using his degree in counseling and theology to blend a helpful understanding of a pathway toward your healing. You can find all of Dan’s materials on his website www.danwhitejr.com Time Stamps for the episode: 2:20: Introduction 6:52: Deconstructing with Rich Mullins 11:55: Journey out of Fundie Baptist and into Anabaptist 17:17: Entering the Ministry 21:34: Experiencing Abuse and burnout in ministry 26:05: The inner work of Ego exploration 30:36: Diagnosed with CPTSD 36:04: Skimming the Ego with Howard Thurman 41:40: Cracking the Ego open for transformation 45:07: Jung’s 5 foundational needs of the ego 50:36: How to live in the liminal space of a healed ego and a broken world 55:12: Three responses from others to your true self 59:13: Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree: @axletree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

118: Andy Root: Evangelism in an Age of Despair

118: Andy Root: Evangelism in an Age of Despair

takeaways Andrew Root feels most comfortable surrounded by his books. The connection between humans and dogs is mystical and profound. Andrew's childhood experiences with grief shaped his faith. Lutheranism has a unique cultural context in the Midwest. Evangelism should focus on consolation rather than mere conversion. The church's role is to walk with people in their sorrow. Modern society struggles with deep feelings of loneliness. Evangelism is often misunderstood as a marketing strategy. Andrew's experiences highlight the importance of community support. The conversation emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of faith. Rituals are essential for happiness in modern life. Evangelism should not be seen as lifestyle marketing. Luther's theology emphasizes God's presence in suffering. Ministry of consolation is vital in addressing grief. Suffering is a universal human experience. Pilgrimage invites people to journey together in faith. Joy and celebration are crucial in community life. Happiness should not be the ultimate goal. True contentment comes from connection with God. Acknowledging grief allows for genuine joy. Chapters: Welcome and Introduction to the Podcast The Mystical Connection with Dogs Life in a Monastic Cell Growing Up in Lutheranism Cognitive Dissonance in Faith Redefining Evangelism in Modern Times The Role of Consolation in Evangelism The Role of Ritual in Modern Life Evangelism vs. Lifestyle Marketing Luther's Theology of the Cross Ministry of Consolation The Nature of Suffering and Grief Pilgrimage as a Spiritual Journey Joy and Celebration in Community Links Web page: https://www.andrewroot.org/about/ Book: Evangelism in an Age of Despair Podcast: When Church Stops Working Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

23: Tom Rundel: Don't Spiritualize Your Problems

23: Tom Rundel: Don't Spiritualize Your Problems

S2 E19: Tom Rundel: Dont spiritualize your problems, claim your confidence Have you ever felt like God abandoned you and left you in the midst of a storm that you could not overcome? In this episode, I solo riff on Matthew 14s account of Christ walking on the water and calming the storm. I take note of the parabolic writing style and use that knowledge to explore the meaning behind some of the imagery in this parable. Christ dismisses the disciples and they are battered by some wind and waves. Time Stamps for the episode: 0:44: Introduction 4:45: Matthew 14 and the parabolic style of this story 9:05 Dismissed and abandoned by God 13:25 spiritualizing your problems gets spiritual answers that dont work in real life 17:42 Take courage is NOT dismiss your anxiety 21:56 Claim your inner authority 26:00 God is not a fixer of problems, but an empowerer of souls 30:22 The saving grace of community 33:13 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

60: Brian McLaren: Life After Doom

60: Brian McLaren: Life After Doom

You can preorder the book here: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250893277/life-after-doom You can find Brian's work here: https://brianmclaren.net/ Introduction The Conflict Between Conservative Faith and Love for Nature Facing a New Situation The Impact of Climate Change and Rising Depression The Importance of Spiritual Help The Power of Naming Grief The Complicated Nature of Hope Superficial Hope vs. Deeper Hope Rethinking Economic Paradigms Living in Harmony with Nature Creating Safe Landings and Imagining a Sustainable Future Questioning History: European Intellectuals and Atrocities of War The Role of Repentance Finding New Ways of Being and Centers of Gravity Recognizing and Dismantling Abusive Power Structures Expressing Gratitude and Building Connections Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E19: Brian McLaren: Life After Doom

S3 E19: Brian McLaren: Life After Doom

You can preorder the book here: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250893277/life-after-doom You can find Brian's work here: https://brianmclaren.net/ Introduction The Conflict Between Conservative Faith and Love for Nature Facing a New Situation The Impact of Climate Change and Rising Depression The Importance of Spiritual Help The Power of Naming Grief The Complicated Nature of Hope Superficial Hope vs. Deeper Hope Rethinking Economic Paradigms Living in Harmony with Nature Creating Safe Landings and Imagining a Sustainable Future Questioning History: European Intellectuals and Atrocities of War The Role of Repentance Finding New Ways of Being and Centers of Gravity Recognizing and Dismantling Abusive Power Structures Expressing Gratitude and Building Connections Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E19: Tom Rundel: Don't Spiritualize Your Problems

S2 E19: Tom Rundel: Don't Spiritualize Your Problems

S2 E19: Tom Rundel: Don’t spiritualize your problems, claim your confidence Have you ever felt like God abandoned you and left you in the midst of a storm that you could not overcome? In this episode, I solo riff on Matthew 14’s account of Christ walking on the water and calming the storm. I take note of the parabolic writing style and use that knowledge to explore the meaning behind some of the imagery in this parable. Christ dismisses the disciples and they are battered by some wind and waves. Time Stamps for the episode: 0:44: Introduction 4:45: Matthew 14 and the parabolic style of this story 9:05 Dismissed and abandoned by God 13:25 spiritualizing your problems gets spiritual answers that don’t work in real life 17:42 Take courage is NOT dismiss your anxiety 21:56 Claim your inner authority 26:00 God is not a fixer of problems, but an empowerer of souls 30:22 The saving grace of community 33:13 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

119: Michael Gungor: Holy Integration: Music, the Sacred, and the Self

119: Michael Gungor: Holy Integration: Music, the Sacred, and the Self

takeaways Bach's music exemplifies a pure expression of creativity. Creativity flows from a dance between internal and external influences. Individuality is a unique expression of the universal flow. Consciousness transcends the boundaries of ego and identity. The sacred can be found in everyday moments and experiences. Rituals can help us recognize the sacred in our lives. Creativity requires both chaos and order to flourish. The ego can hinder creativity by imposing limitations. Being present is essential to experiencing the sacred. Every moment is an opportunity to find the sacred. Creativity involves a balance between chaos and order. Both feminine and masculine energies are essential in artistic expression. Shame in music can be addressed through honest, first-person narratives. Theological language can perpetuate shame if not handled carefully. Integration of different parts of oneself leads to a more holistic identity. Non-dual perspectives can help bridge gaps in understanding spirituality. The question of identity is central to personal growth and understanding. Every part of us has a purpose, even those that seem negative. Transcending old beliefs requires including them in our new understanding. The essence of spirituality is recognizing our shared humanity. Chapters Introduction and Setting the Scene The Genius of Bach and Creative Flow The Dance of Individuality and Ego Consciousness and the Nature of Reality Defining the Sacred in Everyday Life Creativity: Balancing Chaos and Order The Dance of Creativity: Balancing Chaos and Order Navigating Shame in Music and Theology Integrating Parts: The Journey of Self-Discovery The Question of Identity: Who Am I? Links Music: Gungor Music Podcast: The Liturgist Podcast Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

24: Karl Forehand: From Fundie Baptist to Spiritual without Labels

24: Karl Forehand: From Fundie Baptist to Spiritual without Labels

S2 E20: Karl Forehand: From Fundie Baptist to Spiritual without Labels Often, church can become more about keeping the systems running smoothly, the people happily entertained, and money flowing into the plates. But what happens when you have to grieve or enter a season of suffering or become disabled? Karl Forehand is a former Southern Baptist Pastor and Church planter and revitalizer who went through a season of deconstruction shortly after the 2015 election cycle. He could no longer associate with a faith that was more about conservative politics, religious nationalism, and exclusion of the marginalized. He unlabeled himself, became open, and started to explore. Karl is author of 7 books, speaker, and podcaster. He and his wife, Laura, founded The Desert Sanctuary, a resting place for spiritual nomads. Karl was a bi-vocational pastor for 20 years and has training in spiritual leadership coaching, plant-based nutrition, and spiritual direction. He lives in Missouri with his wife Laura and dog Winston. He has three grown children and two grandchildren. Karl and Laura call Rock Port, MO their home. Karl, recently disabled, is recovering from a stroke. All of Karls works can be found here: https://rb.gy/pxczu Time Stamps for the episode: 00:41 Introduction 04:37 Baptist Fundie Roots 09:07 Deconstructing Religious Hate 13:19 Farewell to Hell 17:48 Investigating New Paths 22:52 Becoming who you already are 28:20 The Difference between Here and present 32:56 The Practice of Recollection 38:19 No space for grief 42:16 I lost my Dad, Karl had a stroke, an honest conversation 46:52 A world not built for disability is hard for us 51:47 Unintentionally slowing down because of disability 55:02 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

61: Daniel Wolpert: Looking Inward, Living Outward

61: Daniel Wolpert: Looking Inward, Living Outward

You can buy the book here: https://upperroombooks.com/book/looking-inward-living-outward/ You can connect with Daniel here: https://www.facebook.com/daniel.wolpert.1 Contemplation frees individuals from habits and patterns that cause suffering and promotes compassion and care. Contemplation is not just an individual practice, but also a communal one. Contemplative psychology explores the concept of the human person as a bundle of habits and activities that create our sense of self and the world. Contemplation can dissolve ego habits and projections, leading to more humane and loving relationships. The integration of contemplation and action is essential for social transformation. The ego constructs a sense of self based on our sensory input, leading to patterns of confirmation bias and repetitive behavior. Contemplation allows the mind to slow down and see the construction process of the ego, leading to a more open and expansive sense of self. Powerful presence is not about charisma or ego-driven leadership, but about being fully present and caring for others without personal agendas. Our society worships money and wealth, often distorting or ignoring teachings on generosity and economic justice. Engaging in the spiritual life can bring about personal and societal transformation, even in the face of suffering and uncertainty. Hope is not about clinging to a specific outcome, but about letting go of ego-driven expectations and trusting in the power of love and creativity. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E20: Daniel Wolpert: Looking Inward, Living Outward

S3 E20: Daniel Wolpert: Looking Inward, Living Outward

You can buy the book here: https://upperroombooks.com/book/looking-inward-living-outward/ You can connect with Daniel here: https://www.facebook.com/daniel.wolpert.1 Contemplation frees individuals from habits and patterns that cause suffering and promotes compassion and care. Contemplation is not just an individual practice, but also a communal one. Contemplative psychology explores the concept of the human person as a bundle of habits and activities that create our sense of self and the world. Contemplation can dissolve ego habits and projections, leading to more humane and loving relationships. The integration of contemplation and action is essential for social transformation. The ego constructs a sense of self based on our sensory input, leading to patterns of confirmation bias and repetitive behavior. Contemplation allows the mind to slow down and see the construction process of the ego, leading to a more open and expansive sense of self. Powerful presence is not about charisma or ego-driven leadership, but about being fully present and caring for others without personal agendas. Our society worships money and wealth, often distorting or ignoring teachings on generosity and economic justice. Engaging in the spiritual life can bring about personal and societal transformation, even in the face of suffering and uncertainty. Hope is not about clinging to a specific outcome, but about letting go of ego-driven expectations and trusting in the power of love and creativity. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E20: Karl Forehand: From Fundie Baptist to Spiritual without Labels

S2 E20: Karl Forehand: From Fundie Baptist to Spiritual without Labels

S2 E20: Karl Forehand: From Fundie Baptist to Spiritual without Labels Often, church can become more about keeping the systems running smoothly, the people happily entertained, and money flowing into the plates. But what happens when you have to grieve or enter a season of suffering or become disabled? Karl Forehand is a former Southern Baptist Pastor and Church planter and revitalizer who went through a season of deconstruction shortly after the 2015 election cycle. He could no longer associate with a faith that was more about conservative politics, religious nationalism, and exclusion of the marginalized. He unlabeled himself, became open, and started to explore. Karl is author of 7 books, speaker, and podcaster. He and his wife, Laura, founded The Desert Sanctuary, a resting place for spiritual nomads. Karl was a bi-vocational pastor for 20 years and has training in spiritual leadership coaching, plant-based nutrition, and spiritual direction. He lives in Missouri with his wife Laura and dog Winston. He has three grown children and two grandchildren. Karl and Laura call Rock Port, MO their home. Karl, recently disabled, is recovering from a stroke. All of Karl’s works can be found here: https://rb.gy/pxczu Time Stamps for the episode: 00:41 Introduction 04:37 Baptist Fundie Roots 09:07 Deconstructing Religious Hate 13:19 Farewell to Hell 17:48 Investigating New Paths 22:52 Becoming who you already are 28:20 The Difference between “Here” and “present” 32:56 The Practice of Recollection 38:19 No space for grief 42:16 I lost my Dad, Karl had a stroke, an honest conversation 46:52 A world not built for disability is hard for us 51:47 Unintentionally slowing down because of disability 55:02 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

120: Lauren Cibene: Navigating Faith, Trauma, and Healing in India

120: Lauren Cibene: Navigating Faith, Trauma, and Healing in India

takeaways Lauren's required reading is 'Life of Pi' for its depth. 'Grapes of Wrath' illustrates systemic evil in society. Growing up in a fundamentalist bubble shaped her faith. Trauma led to a painful deconstruction of her beliefs. Emotional prosperity gospel can distort faith expectations. Therapy was a crucial step in her healing process. Traveling to India was a leap of faith for her. Cultural immersion helped her rebuild trust. Trusting oneself is a vital part of recovery. Vulnerability is essential for self-acceptance. Cultural connections can lead to profound moments of acceptance. Alienation in evangelicalism can hinder personal healing. Family dynamics often influence our ability to confront pain. Transformative experiences can occur in mundane settings. Liminal spaces encourage open-handed living and receptivity. Reincarnation offers a different perspective on death and rebirth. Travel fosters humility and a sense of wonder. Navigating relationships requires understanding and compassion. Certainty can be found in embracing uncertainty. Deconstruction is a unique journey that requires patience and self-affirmation. Chapters: Introduction and Warm Welcome Literary Influences and Required Reading Faith Foundations and Deconstruction Trauma and the Crisis of Faith Therapy and the Journey to Healing Traveling to India: A Leap of Faith Cultural Immersion and Trust Building Rebuilding Trust in Oneself Embracing Vulnerability and Self-Acceptance Cultural Connections and Acceptance The Alienation of Self in Evangelicalism The Impact of Family and Community on Healing Transformative Moments in Mundane Spaces Liminal Spaces and Open-Handed Living Reincarnation and Cycles of Life Traveling and Humility Navigating Relationships Through Change Finding Certainty in Uncertainty Embracing the Journey of Deconstruction Links: Website: https://laurencibene.com/ Substack: https://laurencibene.substack.com/?ref=website Book: Tiger in a Lifeboat Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

25: Tom Rundel: Ask Me Anything Bible Deconstruction

25: Tom Rundel: Ask Me Anything Bible Deconstruction

S2 E21: Tom Rundel: Ask Me Anything: Bible Deconstruction I solo riff on todays pod and take on some more of the questions that yall sent in as we talk about our approach to the Bible, how it has caused harm, and how we can change it going forward. The questions I take on are Erica: Is the Bible meant to be read as a set-in-stone manual to be taken literally? Is it multiple genres, full of allegory? If literal, how are readers meant to adapt it to modern life? Jason: If the Bible says all commandments boil down to love God and love neighbor as yourself why do churches seem to be focused more on do's and donts? Jason: Is hell real and does it matter? Lance: What happens to people who never knew/heard about God when they die? Would a loving God punish someone for not accepting a truth they knew? What about babies/young children? Time Stamps for the episode: 00:41 Introduction 02:53 The Metaphysics of Elisha 06:43 Evangelicals and Conspiracy Theories 12:22 Left Behind was a Conspiracy Theory, not a theology 18:20 Authoritarian Leaders Capitalize on Conspiracy 21:48 Does all Scripture have Equal weight? 26:19 Ericas Question 32:10 The Problem with Fundies 37:03 4 Principles for your ongoing relationship to the Bible 41:04 The Sound of the Genuine 43:15 Jasons Question 47:36 Is the Church human or divine? Yes 53:45 Jason and Lances questions: Is Hell real? 59:15 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

62: Ben Katt: The Hero's Journey to Wholeness

62: Ben Katt: The Hero's Journey to Wholeness

Check out Ben's Website here: https://www.benjaminkatt.com/ Grab Ben's Book here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250910447?tag=macmillan-20 Leaving the familiar and falling into the unknown are two distinct stages of a transformative journey. Leaving the familiar involves recognizing the need for change and making a decisive break from the past, while falling into the unknown is the disorienting and challenging period of transition. Returning home after a transformative journey can be difficult, as one may no longer fit into the social identity or conformity of their previous community. It may require setting new boundaries, rearranging relationships, and finding new soul friends who understand and support the journey. Practices such as meditation, journaling, and spending time in nature can help center oneself and maintain a sense of stillness and internal reference amidst change. These practices can also foster self-discovery and a deeper connection with one's own soul and purpose. The hero's journey, as seen in literature and movies, reflects the universal pattern of leaving the familiar, falling into the unknown, and returning home transformed. This journey is about discovering the core essential self and aligning with the flow of one's own life. Ben Katt is a meditation teacher, hospice chaplain, and coach. He is the author of THE WAY HOME: Discovering the Heros Journey to Wholeness at Midlife. Ben teaches meditation in prisons and facilitates wellbeing experiences for companies and organizations. He is a certified advanced meditation teacher, holds a Master of Divinity degree, and is a former ordained minister. He lives in Milwaukee, WI with his wife and three children. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E21: Ben Katt: The Hero's Journey to Wholeness

S3 E21: Ben Katt: The Hero's Journey to Wholeness

Check out Ben's Website here: https://www.benjaminkatt.com/ Grab Ben's Book here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250910447?tag=macmillan-20 Leaving the familiar and falling into the unknown are two distinct stages of a transformative journey. Leaving the familiar involves recognizing the need for change and making a decisive break from the past, while falling into the unknown is the disorienting and challenging period of transition. Returning home after a transformative journey can be difficult, as one may no longer fit into the social identity or conformity of their previous community. It may require setting new boundaries, rearranging relationships, and finding new soul friends who understand and support the journey. Practices such as meditation, journaling, and spending time in nature can help center oneself and maintain a sense of stillness and internal reference amidst change. These practices can also foster self-discovery and a deeper connection with one's own soul and purpose. The hero's journey, as seen in literature and movies, reflects the universal pattern of leaving the familiar, falling into the unknown, and returning home transformed. This journey is about discovering the core essential self and aligning with the flow of one's own life. Ben Katt is a meditation teacher, hospice chaplain, and coach. He is the author of THE WAY HOME: Discovering the Hero’s Journey to Wholeness at Midlife. Ben teaches meditation in prisons and facilitates wellbeing experiences for companies and organizations. He is a certified advanced meditation teacher, holds a Master of Divinity degree, and is a former ordained minister. He lives in Milwaukee, WI with his wife and three children. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E21: Tom Rundel: Ask Me Anything Bible Deconstruction

S2 E21: Tom Rundel: Ask Me Anything Bible Deconstruction

S2 E21: Tom Rundel: Ask Me Anything: Bible Deconstruction I solo riff on today’s pod and take on some more of the questions that y’all sent in as we talk about our approach to the Bible, how it has caused harm, and how we can change it going forward. The questions I take on are… Erica: Is the Bible meant to be read as a set-in-stone manual to be taken literally? Is it multiple genres, full of allegory? If literal, how are readers meant to adapt it to modern life? Jason: “If the Bible says all commandments boil down to love God and love neighbor as yourself why do churches seem to be focused more on do's and don’ts?” Jason: “Is hell real and does it matter?” Lance: What happens to people who never knew/heard about God when they die? Would a loving God punish someone for not accepting a truth they knew? What about babies/young children? Time Stamps for the episode: 00:41 Introduction 02:53 The Metaphysics of Elisha 06:43 Evangelicals and Conspiracy Theories 12:22 Left Behind was a Conspiracy Theory, not a theology 18:20 Authoritarian Leaders Capitalize on Conspiracy 21:48 Does all Scripture have Equal weight? 26:19 Erica’s Question 32:10 The Problem with Fundies 37:03 4 Principles for your ongoing relationship to the Bible 41:04 The Sound of the Genuine 43:15 Jason’s Question 47:36 Is the Church human or divine? Yes 53:45 Jason and Lance’s questions: Is Hell real? 59:15 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

121: Catherine Cowell: Finding God's Feminine Side

121: Catherine Cowell: Finding God's Feminine Side

Catherine experienced her faith journey in small, incremental shifts. Questioning beliefs can lead to deeper understanding and growth. Maturity in faith involves embracing uncertainty and mystery. The divine can be understood through both masculine and feminine imagery. Catherine's experiences with church communities shaped her views on faith. The journey of questioning can be seen as an invitation to grow. Feminine imagery for God exists in scripture but is often overlooked. Cultural norms have historically marginalized feminine perspectives in faith. The church's patriarchal structure influences perceptions of God. Reclaiming feminine imagery can enrich spiritual experiences. Gender roles in faith are often seen as divinely designed. Both men and women are created in God's image. The interpretation of scripture is influenced by human perspectives. Cognitive dissonance is prevalent in faith communities. Inerrancy of scripture can reflect patriarchal biases. Jesus elevated women in his teachings and actions. The divine feminine can unlock new spiritual insights. Historical context is crucial for understanding biblical texts. Faith communities often struggle with contradictory beliefs. A feminine perspective of God can provide healing for those with father wounds. Links: Book: https://tinyurl.com/k9c472uf Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/loved-called-gifted/id1627936653 Web: https://catherine-cowell.medium.com/ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

26: Anthony Smith: Faith, Race, and Politics

26: Anthony Smith: Faith, Race, and Politics

Today I talk with Faith rooted organizer, Anthony Smith. Anthony headed up the removal and relocation of a Confederate Statue in his city of Salisbury, North Carolina. We talk about his faith, his work, for the poor and marginalized of his city from his position as a pastor and city council member. He is a man rooted in place and dedicated to seeing the Kingdom of God come about in his neighborhood. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:49 Introductions 02:39 Faith Rooted Organizer 07:04 Anthony vs Confederate Statue 11:56 An Ecumenical Exorcism of White Nationalism and Racism 17:10 An Apocalyptic moment and call 22:24 Christians call to apocalyptic action 27:15 Hyper individualism and its damage on society 33:33 The Gospel and White Jesus made an atheist 38:37 The Gospel evolve to meet us 43:50 White Christian Nationalism is a form of bad Atheism 47:53 Christianity as ideology for the nation state is bad news 52:15 A Heart attack and an existential crisis 57:35 The Sound of the Genuine 1:02:22 Dont live apologetically 1:07:57 Pay attention and find purpose 1:13:27 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

63: Grace Ji-Sun Kim: When God Became White

63: Grace Ji-Sun Kim: When God Became White

Buy the book: https://www.ivpress.com/when-god-became-white Listen to the pod: https://www.christiancentury.org/podcast/madang Read her Blog: https://gracejisunkim.wordpress.com/ Subscribe Substack: https://gracek.substack.com/ Names hold deep significance in Korean culture, connecting individuals to their family and generations. Understanding race as a social construct is essential in dismantling racism. Whitewashing biblical stories perpetuates whiteness and reinforces white supremacy. Theological creedal development should be reexamined to ensure it does not reinforce whiteness. Solidarity and hope are necessary in the fight against racism and the decolonization of the Christian faith. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E22: Grace Ji-Sun Kim: When God Became White

S3 E22: Grace Ji-Sun Kim: When God Became White

Buy the book: https://www.ivpress.com/when-god-became-white Listen to the pod: https://www.christiancentury.org/podcast/madang Read her Blog: https://gracejisunkim.wordpress.com/ Subscribe Substack: https://gracek.substack.com/ Names hold deep significance in Korean culture, connecting individuals to their family and generations. Understanding race as a social construct is essential in dismantling racism. Whitewashing biblical stories perpetuates whiteness and reinforces white supremacy. Theological creedal development should be reexamined to ensure it does not reinforce whiteness. Solidarity and hope are necessary in the fight against racism and the decolonization of the Christian faith. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E22: Anthony Smith: Faith, Race, and Politics

S2 E22: Anthony Smith: Faith, Race, and Politics

Today I talk with Faith rooted organizer, Anthony Smith. Anthony headed up the removal and relocation of a Confederate Statue in his city of Salisbury, North Carolina. We talk about his faith, his work, for the poor and marginalized of his city from his position as a pastor and city council member. He is a man rooted in place and dedicated to seeing the Kingdom of God come about in his neighborhood. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:49 Introductions 02:39 Faith Rooted Organizer 07:04 Anthony vs Confederate Statue 11:56 An Ecumenical Exorcism of White Nationalism and Racism 17:10 An Apocalyptic moment and call 22:24 Christians call to apocalyptic action 27:15 Hyper individualism and its damage on society 33:33 The Gospel and White Jesus made an atheist 38:37 The Gospel evolve to meet us 43:50 White Christian Nationalism is a form of bad Atheism 47:53 Christianity as ideology for the nation state is bad news 52:15 A Heart attack and an existential crisis 57:35 The Sound of the Genuine 1:02:22 Don’t live apologetically 1:07:57 Pay attention and find purpose 1:13:27 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

122: Cynthia Beach: Disillusionment with Christian Leaders

122: Cynthia Beach: Disillusionment with Christian Leaders

Cynthia Beach has a deep connection to Castle Rock, Northern Ireland, which inspires her writing. Her upbringing in a wealthy family contrasted with her mother's devout spirituality. Disillusionment with Christian institutions shaped her understanding of faith. Frederick Douglass's writings provided a framework for navigating faith amidst disillusionment. Operational faith often leads to a focus on exceptionalism rather than true spirituality. The persona adopted by church leaders can create a divide between authenticity and performance. Success in ministry can come with the pressure to conform to certain personas. Disillusionment can be a sign of growth and clarity in one's faith journey. The paradox of being both depraved and glorious is a central theme in understanding faith. Cynthia emphasizes the importance of seeing things clearly in one's spiritual journey. The vocabulary around hiding failures often stems from a desire to protect good work. Exceptionalism often comes at the expense of marginalized groups. Suffering can lead to humility and authenticity in leadership. Listening to others is crucial for crafting community narratives. Hope can be found in personal experiences and divine tenderness. Creativity should be prioritized and not relegated to the bottom of our lists. Idle brain time is beneficial for creativity and problem-solving. The church is facing challenges that may lead to a post-Christian society. Localizing actions can help combat feelings of hopelessness. The desire for exceptionalism can hinder genuine connection and growth. Links: Web: https://www.cynthiabeach.com/ Book: https://www.ivpress.com/the-surface-of-water Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

27: Rev. Dr. Randy Woodley, Indigenous Spirituality and De-Colonizing Christianity

27: Rev. Dr. Randy Woodley, Indigenous Spirituality and De-Colonizing Christianity

What if the severe dogmatic cruelty of our modern expression of faith is an add on of Western Colonialism? What would happen if you started to pull on the thread of colonialism in your faith. What would come out? What would remain? Today I talk with Rev. Dr. Randy Woodley, an expert voice in the areas concerning spirituality, earth-care, racial and ethnic identity, diversity, peace, social justice, eco-justice, interreligious dialogue, Indigenous studies, agriculture, and spirituality. Randy is also co-founder and Program Director of the George Fox Master of Arts Intercultural Studies degree, the Eloheh Indigenous Center for Earth Justice and Eloheh Farm & Seeds. Author of 9 books, including An Indigenous theology and the Western Worldview, and host of the Peacing it all together podcast. He is a member of the Cherokee nation, and considers himself an indigenous person who follows Christ. We talk about his experiences as an indigenous person within the western church.To see Randys work, please visit his website: www.Randywoodley.com | www.Eloheh.org | www.elohehseeds.com Time Stamps for the episode: 00:43 Introductions 09:06 Cherokee roots 13:30 My Oppressive Missionary Colonizer Years 19:02 Colonialism woven into the Christian faith 22:37 The Violence of Christian Supremacy 28:06 Conservative politics picks up the torch of colonialism 31:45 The Problem of Disembodied Theology 36:55 Shalom and the Failed Western Experiment 42:20 Decolonizing the Faith 47:16 Colonial Theology that needs to Go: Hell, Exclusivity, and Original Sin 51:19 The Practice of Vulnerable Conversation 53:40 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

64: Peter Rollins: Is God Dead? A Peek Into Radical Theology

64: Peter Rollins: Is God Dead? A Peek Into Radical Theology

Key Take Aways: Embrace the contradictions and dividedness that are inherent in being human. Loss and death are fundamental aspects of existence that shape our experiences. Grief should be acknowledged and processed as a natural part of life. The death of God and the tearing of the temple curtain challenge the idea of liminality as a space where the finite and infinite meet. Certain objects capture a sense of transcendence and the eternal within them, rather than behind them. Christianity is radical in its belief in the death of God and the alienation within the divine. Hope is the driving force that motivates us to work for something better in the present moment. A better understanding of God in the modern world embraces self-division and ontological unknowing. Living in the present moment and embracing self-division can lead to a more fulfilling and authentic experience of life. Chapters: -Introduction and Espresso -The Northern Ireland Peace Process -The Apocalyptic Perspective and Psychoanalysis -The Redemptive Power of Embracing Loss and Death -Critiquing the Notion of Liminality -The Eternal Within Objects -The Role of Hope and the Present Moment -Embracing Self-Division and Ontological Unknowing Links: Find Peter on the Web: https://peterrollins.com/ Find Peter on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCweF6BScvFnbsymouI-znDA Find Peter's Books on Amazon: https://rb.gy/yu7zje Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E23: Peter Rollins: Is God Dead? A Peek Into Radical Theology

S3 E23: Peter Rollins: Is God Dead? A Peek Into Radical Theology

Key Take Aways: Embrace the contradictions and dividedness that are inherent in being human. Loss and death are fundamental aspects of existence that shape our experiences. Grief should be acknowledged and processed as a natural part of life. The death of God and the tearing of the temple curtain challenge the idea of liminality as a space where the finite and infinite meet. Certain objects capture a sense of transcendence and the eternal within them, rather than behind them. Christianity is radical in its belief in the death of God and the alienation within the divine. Hope is the driving force that motivates us to work for something better in the present moment. A better understanding of God in the modern world embraces self-division and ontological unknowing. Living in the present moment and embracing self-division can lead to a more fulfilling and authentic experience of life. Chapters: -Introduction and Espresso -The Northern Ireland Peace Process -The Apocalyptic Perspective and Psychoanalysis -The Redemptive Power of Embracing Loss and Death -Critiquing the Notion of Liminality -The Eternal Within Objects -The Role of Hope and the Present Moment -Embracing Self-Division and Ontological Unknowing Links: Find Peter on the Web: https://peterrollins.com/ Find Peter on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCweF6BScvFnbsymouI-znDA Find Peter's Books on Amazon: https://rb.gy/yu7zje Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E23: Rev. Dr. Randy Woodley, Indigenous Spirituality and De-Colonizing Christianity

S2 E23: Rev. Dr. Randy Woodley, Indigenous Spirituality and De-Colonizing Christianity

What if the severe dogmatic cruelty of our modern expression of faith is an add on of Western Colonialism? What would happen if you started to pull on the thread of colonialism in your faith. What would come out? What would remain? Today I talk with Rev. Dr. Randy Woodley, an expert voice in the areas concerning spirituality, earth-care, racial and ethnic identity, diversity, peace, social justice, eco-justice, interreligious dialogue, Indigenous studies, agriculture, and spirituality. Randy is also co-founder and Program Director of the George Fox Master of Arts Intercultural Studies degree, the Eloheh Indigenous Center for Earth Justice and Eloheh Farm & Seeds. Author of 9 books, including An Indigenous theology and the Western Worldview, and host of the Peacing it all together podcast. He is a member of the Cherokee nation, and considers himself an indigenous person who follows Christ. We talk about his experiences as an indigenous person within the western church.To see Randy’s work, please visit his website: www.Randywoodley.com | www.Eloheh.org | www.elohehseeds.com Time Stamps for the episode: 00:43 Introductions 09:06 Cherokee roots 13:30 My Oppressive Missionary Colonizer Years 19:02 Colonialism woven into the Christian faith 22:37 The Violence of Christian Supremacy 28:06 Conservative politics picks up the torch of colonialism 31:45 The Problem of Disembodied Theology 36:55 Shalom and the Failed Western Experiment 42:20 Decolonizing the Faith 47:16 Colonial Theology that needs to Go: Hell, Exclusivity, and Original Sin 51:19 The Practice of Vulnerable Conversation 53:40 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

123: Keith Giles: Erasing Mary from the Text

123: Keith Giles: Erasing Mary from the Text

takeaways Keith Giles has written multiple books, including a series on quantum gospels. The Gospel of Mary is a fragmentary text with significant insights. Mary Magdalene is likely the central figure in the Gospel of Mary. The text emphasizes the idea of Christ within all individuals. There were multiple early Christian communities with differing beliefs. The Gospel of Mary aligns with the egalitarian views of the Valentinians. The text suggests a direct connection to God without mediators. The concept of the 'child of humanity' is central to the Gospel's message. The Gospel of Mary challenges traditional patriarchal views of God. Understanding the Gospel of Mary could transform modern Christianity. Evangelicalism often defines itself by its enemies. The pendulum of faith can swing too far towards isolation. Community is essential for spiritual growth and understanding. The Gospel of Mary presents radical ideas about sin and forgiveness. The emphasis on sin can be detrimental to spiritual health. Morality should stem from love and connection to others. Political events can challenge our spiritual beliefs. Mary Magdalene's role has been historically marginalized. The Gospel of Mary lacks references from early church writers. The Quantum Gospel of Mary combines multiple texts for deeper insights. Links: Book: https://tinyurl.com/ck8d2et4 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/KeithGiles Blog: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

28: Matt Tebbe: Money, Power, and Abuse in the Church

28: Matt Tebbe: Money, Power, and Abuse in the Church

Why have we spiritualized so much of Jesus teaching on poverty, money, and forgiveness? It is the only way we could make sense of his teachings while wearing the insulation that power provides us. But what does Christ say about money and power? How have we harnessed what Jesus calls the god of mammon into our methodologies of modern church growth tactics? Today I talk with Matt Tebbe, an expert voice in the areas concerning mammon, which is the Bibles word for the worship of the economy, colonial empire, authoritarian abuse, and patriarchy. Matt says hard things, but good things. His voice is honest and succinct. Matt Tebbe. holds a Masters of Divinity from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, has been featured in the pages of Leadership Journal and Shattered Magazine. Matt's insights are also featured in the book 'What Pastors Wish Their Congregations Knew,' authored by Kurt Fredrickson and Cameron Lee. He's also been a prominent voice in thought-provoking platforms such as Missio Alliance and The V3 Movement. Matt's collaborative spirit shines through his co-authorship of 'Having the Mind of Christ' alongside Ben Sternke which won the IVP Reader's Choice Award. Matt is more than just a writer and thinker. He's a practitioner of transformational leadership as the co-founder of Gravity Leadership, and he serves as the co-rector of an Anglican church plant known as 'The Table,' nestled in the northeast suburbs of Indianapolis. Join us today as we dive into Matt's journey and how he balances it all with his life alongside his wife Sharon and their children, Deacon and Celeste. To see Matts work, please visit his website: https://www.thetableindy.org/, https://gravityleadership.com/, https://substack.com/@matttebbe, Time Stamps for the episode: 00:52 Introductions 03:58 Climbing Mt. Whitney 08:56 Facing Internal Demons on the Mountain 14:04 Spiritual Roots in Catholicism 18:33 Grace in Community & Abuse on Church Staff 23:57 Abusive Leadership Embraces Power and Causes Trauma 30:18 Using Your Voice with Clarity and Humility 34:36 Spiritualizing the Poor is a Hermeneutic Mistake 40:17 The God of Mammon, Power, Money, and Economy 46:45 What Love of Money Actually Looks Like 51:47 Exposing Undercover Idolatry 57:08 Mammons Weapon is Fear of Death 1:00:50 What Really Causes Inflation 1:06:27 Gatekeepers of the Bible Dont Actually Like the Bible 1:13:14 Mammon Works and Why We Cant See It. 1:18:40 How to Love our Neighbor 1:21:11 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

65: Thomas Jay Oord: On Trial for Heresy

65: Thomas Jay Oord: On Trial for Heresy

Advocacy for LGBTQ+ inclusion within the Church of the Nazarene is a complex and challenging endeavor, involving theological, social, and personal dimensions. The conversation sheds light on the tensions and complexities within the church and society regarding LGBTQ+ issues, highlighting the need for thoughtful dialogue and understanding. Thomas Jay Oord's journey of advocacy and the challenges he faces within his denomination provide insight into the evolving landscape of Christianity and the ongoing pursuit of inclusivity and social justice. The evolving understanding of LGBTQ+ issues has led to a shift in language and terminology, reflecting a broader and more inclusive perspective. Personal experiences, including interactions with LGBTQ+ individuals, have played a significant role in shaping perspectives and fostering empathy and understanding. The intersection of faith, science, and love is a complex and evolving space, with implications for theological discourse and social justice. The challenges faced by the Church of Nazarene reflect broader issues within denominations, including the retention of youth and the impact of LGBTQ+ inclusivity on membership and identity. Thomas Jay Oord's commitment to love, justice, and the pursuit of a more inclusive and empathetic faith community is evident throughout the conversation. Buy his book here: https://shorturl.at/xYX5O Check out his author page here: https://shorturl.at/1uDO4 Watch his YouTube video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbWoc_HfnC0 Chapters: Denominational Charges and Consequences Biblical Interpretation and Aesthetics The Desire for Certainty and Authority Evolving Language and Understanding of LGBTQ+ Issues Personal Experiences and Empathy Intersection of Faith, Science, and Love The Question of Sin and Healthy Behavior Love, Listening, and Humanizing the Issue Challenges Faced by Denominations Impact on Youth Retention and Future of Denominations Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E24: Thomas Jay Oord: On Trial for Heresy

S3 E24: Thomas Jay Oord: On Trial for Heresy

Advocacy for LGBTQ+ inclusion within the Church of the Nazarene is a complex and challenging endeavor, involving theological, social, and personal dimensions. The conversation sheds light on the tensions and complexities within the church and society regarding LGBTQ+ issues, highlighting the need for thoughtful dialogue and understanding. Thomas Jay Oord's journey of advocacy and the challenges he faces within his denomination provide insight into the evolving landscape of Christianity and the ongoing pursuit of inclusivity and social justice. The evolving understanding of LGBTQ+ issues has led to a shift in language and terminology, reflecting a broader and more inclusive perspective. Personal experiences, including interactions with LGBTQ+ individuals, have played a significant role in shaping perspectives and fostering empathy and understanding. The intersection of faith, science, and love is a complex and evolving space, with implications for theological discourse and social justice. The challenges faced by the Church of Nazarene reflect broader issues within denominations, including the retention of youth and the impact of LGBTQ+ inclusivity on membership and identity. Thomas Jay Oord's commitment to love, justice, and the pursuit of a more inclusive and empathetic faith community is evident throughout the conversation. Buy his book here: https://shorturl.at/xYX5O Check out his author page here: https://shorturl.at/1uDO4 Watch his YouTube video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbWoc_HfnC0 Chapters: Denominational Charges and Consequences Biblical Interpretation and Aesthetics The Desire for Certainty and Authority Evolving Language and Understanding of LGBTQ+ Issues Personal Experiences and Empathy Intersection of Faith, Science, and Love The Question of Sin and Healthy Behavior Love, Listening, and Humanizing the Issue Challenges Faced by Denominations Impact on Youth Retention and Future of Denominations Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E24: Matt Tebbe: Money, Power, and Abuse in the Church

S2 E24: Matt Tebbe: Money, Power, and Abuse in the Church

Why have we spiritualized so much of Jesus’ teaching on poverty, money, and forgiveness? It is the only way we could make sense of his teachings while wearing the insulation that power provides us. But what does Christ say about money and power? How have we harnessed what Jesus calls the god of mammon into our methodologies of modern church growth tactics? Today I talk with Matt Tebbe, an expert voice in the areas concerning mammon, which is the Bible’s word for the worship of the economy, colonial empire, authoritarian abuse, and patriarchy. Matt says hard things, but good things. His voice is honest and succinct. Matt Tebbe. holds a Masters of Divinity from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, has been featured in the pages of Leadership Journal and Shattered Magazine. Matt's insights are also featured in the book 'What Pastors Wish Their Congregations Knew,' authored by Kurt Fredrickson and Cameron Lee. He's also been a prominent voice in thought-provoking platforms such as Missio Alliance and The V3 Movement. Matt's collaborative spirit shines through his co-authorship of 'Having the Mind of Christ' alongside Ben Sternke which won the IVP Reader's Choice Award. Matt is more than just a writer and thinker. He's a practitioner of transformational leadership as the co-founder of Gravity Leadership, and he serves as the co-rector of an Anglican church plant known as 'The Table,' nestled in the northeast suburbs of Indianapolis. Join us today as we dive into Matt's journey and how he balances it all with his life alongside his wife Sharon and their children, Deacon and Celeste. To see Matt’s work, please visit his website: https://www.thetableindy.org/, https://gravityleadership.com/, https://substack.com/@matttebbe, Time Stamps for the episode: 00:52 Introductions 03:58 Climbing Mt. Whitney 08:56 Facing Internal Demons on the Mountain 14:04 Spiritual Roots in Catholicism 18:33 Grace in Community & Abuse on Church Staff 23:57 Abusive Leadership Embraces Power and Causes Trauma 30:18 Using Your Voice with Clarity and Humility 34:36 Spiritualizing the Poor is a Hermeneutic Mistake 40:17 The God of Mammon, Power, Money, and Economy 46:45 What “Love of Money” Actually Looks Like 51:47 Exposing Undercover Idolatry 57:08 Mammon’s Weapon is Fear of Death 1:00:50 What Really Causes Inflation 1:06:27 Gatekeepers of the Bible Don’t Actually Like the Bible 1:13:14 Mammon “Works” and Why We Can’t See It. 1:18:40 How to Love our Neighbor 1:21:11 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

124: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 1

124: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 1

Chapters Introduction and Technical Setup Localizing Action and Finding Empowerment The Role of Music in Social Commentary Songwriting as a Call to Action Reflections on Lyrics and Social Issues Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

29: Tom Rundel: Does God have a Gender, Karma, and more Science talk

29: Tom Rundel: Does God have a Gender, Karma, and more Science talk

Does God have a Gender? Is Karma real? What did the Bible say about Dinosaurs? And other fun questions in this ask me anything episode where I take on your theological questions: Scott: According to Christianity, the only way is through Jesus. According to another religion, the only way is through their belief system. How can we all be right? Does God give many paths that lead to him? Lance: How do we know which religion is right? And if Christianity is it, how do we know which version/interpretation is right? Rosey: If God created humans in his image, male and female, what does that actually mean? Is God not genderless? Wendi: Whats the deal with karma and the Christian faith? Nic: did the Creator create us individually or broad stroke? What level of detail went into His design? Lance: How does the Bible coexist with science? Time Stamps for the episode: 00:49 Introductions 05:48 The Benedictine Monk who taught me to meditate 11:10 Are there many paths to God? 16:23 Labels on something vs Essence of something 21:26 Love is the point and humility is the foundation 23:30 How do we know which religion is right? 28:42 Is God a man? 33:37 God as the Father 39:06 God as the Mother 44:43 Gender and the Incarnation 47:56 Karma and Buddhism 53:36 Karmas 4 Noble Truths and 8 fold Path 57:33 Karma and Christianity 1:01:32 How does God make us and the world? 1:05:51 Are Dinosaurs in the Bible? 1:10:13 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

66: Steve Harper: Christian Nationalism Isn't Christian

66: Steve Harper: Christian Nationalism Isn't Christian

The importance of stripping away layers of interpretation to reveal the true essence of Christ. The challenges of countering Christian nationalism and the significance of speaking the truth in love. The concept of God as a being and the implications of this understanding. The connection between spiritual formation and the inspiration behind the book 'Jesus Unpainted.' The nature of God is explored through the lens of personal relationship and the concept of 'I thou' rather than 'I it'. Faith is validated through personal relationship with God, not just by accepting principles or statements of faith. The LGBTQ community faces challenges within religious institutions, often experiencing a lack of genuine love and acceptance despite the language of inclusion. Inclusive churches should not only welcome but also empower and involve all individuals, ensuring accessibility for everyone in the community. Engaging with the local community and serving the parish is essential for meaningful church impact and relevance in the present age. A gentle leader embodies self-care, community counsel, humility, and a commitment to serving the needs of others. The concept of 'Little Lights' and 'Oboedire' provide platforms for daily meditation and deeper engagement with the author's writings and thoughts. Links: Connect to his Blog here: https://oboedire.wordpress.com/ Connect on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/little.lights.2024 Find books on Amazon here: https://shorturl.at/lGF9M Chapters: Introduction and Retirement Reflections The Quilt and Its Story Stripping Away Layers of Interpretation Countering Christian Nationalism Understanding God as a Being Exploring the Nature of God and Faith Challenges Faced by the LGBTQ Community in Religious Institutions The Role of Inclusive and Accessible Churches Engaging with the Local Community and Serving the Parish Qualities of a Gentle Leader Connecting with 'Little Lights' and 'Oboedire' Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E25: Steve Harper: Christian Nationalism Isn't Christian

S3 E25: Steve Harper: Christian Nationalism Isn't Christian

The importance of stripping away layers of interpretation to reveal the true essence of Christ. The challenges of countering Christian nationalism and the significance of speaking the truth in love. The concept of God as a being and the implications of this understanding. The connection between spiritual formation and the inspiration behind the book 'Jesus Unpainted.' The nature of God is explored through the lens of personal relationship and the concept of 'I thou' rather than 'I it'. Faith is validated through personal relationship with God, not just by accepting principles or statements of faith. The LGBTQ community faces challenges within religious institutions, often experiencing a lack of genuine love and acceptance despite the language of inclusion. Inclusive churches should not only welcome but also empower and involve all individuals, ensuring accessibility for everyone in the community. Engaging with the local community and serving the parish is essential for meaningful church impact and relevance in the present age. A gentle leader embodies self-care, community counsel, humility, and a commitment to serving the needs of others. The concept of 'Little Lights' and 'Oboedire' provide platforms for daily meditation and deeper engagement with the author's writings and thoughts. Links: Connect to his Blog here: https://oboedire.wordpress.com/ Connect on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/little.lights.2024 Find books on Amazon here: https://shorturl.at/lGF9M Chapters: Introduction and Retirement Reflections The Quilt and Its Story Stripping Away Layers of Interpretation Countering Christian Nationalism Understanding God as a Being Exploring the Nature of God and Faith Challenges Faced by the LGBTQ Community in Religious Institutions The Role of Inclusive and Accessible Churches Engaging with the Local Community and Serving the Parish Qualities of a Gentle Leader Connecting with 'Little Lights' and 'Oboedire' Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E25: Tom Rundel: Does God have a Gender, Karma, and more Science talk

S2 E25: Tom Rundel: Does God have a Gender, Karma, and more Science talk

Does God have a Gender? Is Karma real? What did the Bible say about Dinosaurs? And other fun questions in this ask me anything episode where I take on your theological questions: Scott: According to Christianity, the only way is through Jesus. According to another religion, the only way is through their belief system. How can we all be right? Does God give many paths that lead to him? Lance: How do we know which religion is right? And if Christianity is it, how do we know which version/interpretation is right? Rosey: If God created humans in his image, male and female, what does that actually mean? Is God not genderless? Wendi: What’s the deal with karma and the Christian faith? Nic: did the Creator create us individually or broad stroke? What level of detail went into His design? Lance: How does the Bible coexist with science? Time Stamps for the episode: 00:49 Introductions 05:48 The Benedictine Monk who taught me to meditate 11:10 Are there many paths to God? 16:23 Labels on something vs Essence of something 21:26 Love is the point and humility is the foundation 23:30 How do we know which religion is right? 28:42 Is God a man? 33:37 God as “the Father” 39:06 God as “the Mother” 44:43 Gender and the Incarnation 47:56 Karma and Buddhism 53:36 Karma’s 4 Noble Truths and 8 fold Path 57:33 Karma and Christianity 1:01:32 How does God “make” us and the world? 1:05:51 Are Dinosaurs in the Bible? 1:10:13 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

125: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 2

125: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 2

In this conversation, we continue our Summer Songs of Resistance series with Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson talking about the role of music as a form of resistance and social commentary. They explore the importance of local action in the face of overwhelming national issues, the need for honest dialogue, and the influence of historical figures in shaping music's impact on society. The discussion also touches on politics, religion, society, and playing a song to accompany: Fly Like and Eagle, by the Steve Miller Band. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

30: Kathy Khang: Finding a Home: Hospitality, Immigration, and Power in the Church

30: Kathy Khang: Finding a Home: Hospitality, Immigration, and Power in the Church

Who gets to decide the modern dogmas of who is in and who is out? Probably not the people Jesus would hang around with, marginalized communities. I have an honest and beautiful conversation with author Kathy Khang today about her experience as a Christian in America who immigrated from Korea. And she highlights things from that perspective that I had a hard time seeing from my perspective. Our guest today is Kathy Khang, a mother of three, wife of one, and a passionate advocate for embracing the complexities of identity, spirituality, and social justice. Kathy's story is one of transformation and empowerment, rooted in her love for Jesus and a deep appreciation for the simple joys of life, like yoga, nail polish, lipstick, and the bond she shares with her girlfriends. Kathy's journey as a writer, speaker, coffee enthusiast, and even a yoga teacher has taken her from the pages of childhood diaries to newsrooms and co-authored books. Her next book co-authored with Matt Mikalatos is called Loving Disagreement which is about how to sustain community in a polarized society. It landed on Englewood Book Reviews list of most anticipated books of 2023. She is also a co-host of The Fascinating Podcast which is on season 11 now. With over two decades of experience in parachurch ministry, working with college students and training leaders, Kathy has been a force for change, encouraging others to find and use their voices to bring about positive transformation. Her recent book, "Raise Your Voice: Why We Stay Silent and How to Speak Up," inspires everyone to embrace their influence and work toward creating a more just and compassionate world. So, join us today as we dive deep into Kathy Khang's inspiring journey of using one's voice to shape a better future. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:40 Introductions 03:52 Good Coffee 09:09 Spiritual Roots in the Korean Church in Chicago 13:44 Renting church space and false hospitality 18:31 Rethinking Hospitality as the Church 21:58 Loving Disagreement what it is and is NOT 27:04 Love is not nice 32:01 Toxic Positivity 36:45 The Moving Goalposts of expectation 41:47 False apostolic authority used to create exclusive dogma 44:12 What loving your enemy can look like 48:31 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

67: Keith Giles: Decoding the Gospel of Thomas

67: Keith Giles: Decoding the Gospel of Thomas

Insights The Gospel of Thomas is a collection of the sayings of Jesus and does not have a narrative like the other Gospels. The Gospel of Thomas was suppressed by early church leaders, particularly those who opposed the Valentinians. The Gospel of Thomas was found in 1945 in a clay jar buried in the desert. Scholars have dated the Gospel of Thomas to the early second century and believe it may have served as a Q document. The teachings in the Gospel of Thomas emphasize the oneness and connection with God and challenge hierarchical structures in the early church. The early Christian church adopted hierarchical, patriarchal, and uniform beliefs and practices after the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as its national religion. The Gospel of Thomas offers wisdom for steering the church towards a more egalitarian and community-based structure. Realizing our connection with God and one another is essential for loving and caring for others. The early church practiced secret teachings, and the shift towards hierarchical structures was a departure from the teachings of Jesus and Paul. Chapters Introduction and Keith Giles' Podcasts Discovering the Gospel of Thomas Dating the Gospel of Thomas and its Relationship to the Q Document The Discovery of the Gospel of Thomas Keith Giles' Interest in the Gospel of Thomas Hierarchy, Patriarchy, and Uniformity in the Early Christian Church The Gospel of Thomas: Wisdom for a More Egalitarian Church Realizing Our Connection: The Key to Loving and Caring for Others The Shift from Secret Teachings to Hierarchical Structures Links: Buy the Book Here: https://shorturl.at/JG3b0 Read the Blog here: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E26: Keith Giles: Decoding the Gospel of Thomas

S3 E26: Keith Giles: Decoding the Gospel of Thomas

Insights The Gospel of Thomas is a collection of the sayings of Jesus and does not have a narrative like the other Gospels. The Gospel of Thomas was suppressed by early church leaders, particularly those who opposed the Valentinians. The Gospel of Thomas was found in 1945 in a clay jar buried in the desert. Scholars have dated the Gospel of Thomas to the early second century and believe it may have served as a Q document. The teachings in the Gospel of Thomas emphasize the oneness and connection with God and challenge hierarchical structures in the early church. The early Christian church adopted hierarchical, patriarchal, and uniform beliefs and practices after the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as its national religion. The Gospel of Thomas offers wisdom for steering the church towards a more egalitarian and community-based structure. Realizing our connection with God and one another is essential for loving and caring for others. The early church practiced secret teachings, and the shift towards hierarchical structures was a departure from the teachings of Jesus and Paul. Chapters Introduction and Keith Giles' Podcasts Discovering the Gospel of Thomas Dating the Gospel of Thomas and its Relationship to the Q Document The Discovery of the Gospel of Thomas Keith Giles' Interest in the Gospel of Thomas Hierarchy, Patriarchy, and Uniformity in the Early Christian Church The Gospel of Thomas: Wisdom for a More Egalitarian Church Realizing Our Connection: The Key to Loving and Caring for Others The Shift from Secret Teachings to Hierarchical Structures Links: Buy the Book Here: https://shorturl.at/JG3b0 Read the Blog here: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/ Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E26: Kathy Khang: Finding a Home: Hospitality, Immigration, and Power in the Church

S2 E26: Kathy Khang: Finding a Home: Hospitality, Immigration, and Power in the Church

Who gets to decide the modern dogmas of who is in and who is out? Probably not the people Jesus would hang around with, marginalized communities. I have an honest and beautiful conversation with author Kathy Khang today about her experience as a Christian in America who immigrated from Korea. And she highlights things from that perspective that I had a hard time seeing from my perspective. Our guest today is Kathy Khang, a mother of three, wife of one, and a passionate advocate for embracing the complexities of identity, spirituality, and social justice. Kathy's story is one of transformation and empowerment, rooted in her love for Jesus and a deep appreciation for the simple joys of life, like yoga, nail polish, lipstick, and the bond she shares with her girlfriends. Kathy's journey as a writer, speaker, coffee enthusiast, and even a yoga teacher has taken her from the pages of childhood diaries to newsrooms and co-authored books. Her next book co-authored with Matt Mikalatos is called Loving Disagreement which is about how to sustain community in a polarized society. It landed on Englewood Book Review’s list of most anticipated books of 2023. She is also a co-host of The Fascinating Podcast which is on season 11 now. With over two decades of experience in parachurch ministry, working with college students and training leaders, Kathy has been a force for change, encouraging others to find and use their voices to bring about positive transformation. Her recent book, "Raise Your Voice: Why We Stay Silent and How to Speak Up," inspires everyone to embrace their influence and work toward creating a more just and compassionate world. So, join us today as we dive deep into Kathy Khang's inspiring journey of using one's voice to shape a better future. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:40 Introductions 03:52 Good Coffee 09:09 Spiritual Roots in the Korean Church in Chicago 13:44 Renting church space and false hospitality 18:31 Rethinking Hospitality as the Church 21:58 Loving Disagreement what it is and is NOT 27:04 Love is not nice 32:01 Toxic Positivity 36:45 The Moving Goalposts of expectation 41:47 False apostolic authority used to create exclusive dogma 44:12 What loving your enemy can look like 48:31 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

126: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 3

126: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 3

In this conversation, we continue our Summer Songs of Resistance series with Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson talking about the role of music as a form of resistance and social commentary. They explore the importance of local action in the face of overwhelming national issues, the need for honest dialogue, and the influence of historical figures in shaping music's impact on society. The discussion also touches on politics, religion, society, and playing a song to accompany: For What It's Worth by Buffalo Springfield. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

31: Tom Rundel: The Bible Says... Why I don't say that anymore

31: Tom Rundel: The Bible Says... Why I don't say that anymore

Have you ever had someone use the phrase, Well, the Bible says to correct you? But then they dismiss other things the Bible says with a yeah, but Who we offer our yeah but comments to and who we hard line with the Bible says reveals more about the one using the phrase than it does the Bible. Today I talk about why I no longer use the phrase, The Bible says and how it is often a signal of a theology that is static, exclusive, elitist, or abusive. This summarizes some of the things I learned from the last 4 interviews I did. To get there we meander through the historical narrative flow of the old and new testaments. So if you have ever struggled to make sense of what the Bible is saying, and why, it might help to understand the story. Time Stamps for the Episode: Time Stamps for the episode: 00:40 Introductions 01:54 I Dont say, The Bible Says anymore 05:38 The Tabernacle Narrative 09:31 Kings and Temples Narrative 12:19 Babylon, Persia, and Greece! Oh My! 16:29 Rome, Herod, and Second Temple 19:41 Its the end of the world as we know it 22:27 Theology: Our static Temple 27:54 Theology: our elitist and and exclusive Temple 33:02 Theology: our abusive Temple 34:56 LGBTQ+ texts vs Greed, Power, Corruption texts 37:42 Abusive Church Growth Tactics 43:30 The Bible says, says more about you than the Bible 46:52 Tables instead of Temples 52:44 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

68: Eric Nevins: Dark Night of the Vocational Soul

68: Eric Nevins: Dark Night of the Vocational Soul

Highlights: Embrace the ongoing process of spiritual growth and recognize that there is no arrival point. Question expectations that God will make everything smooth sailing and happy. Allow God the freedom to be creative in how He works in your life and the lives of others. Recognize the tension between the objective and subjective experiences of God and embrace both. Don't compare your spiritual journey to others, as each person's experience is unique. Experiencing God cannot be forced or limited to specific activities; it requires openness and a release of expectations. The lack of space for doubt and lament in Christian worship songs, sermons, and church spaces can hinder authentic expression and growth. Knowing the stories of God's people throughout history, including their struggles and questions, can provide comfort and perspective in times of doubt and anger. A theology that acknowledges suffering and difficult questions is essential for a mature and authentic faith. Faith is a fluid journey, and it may not fit neatly into a specific label or category. The focus should be on living out the kingdom of God in everyday life. Chapters: Introduction and Setting the Tone Eric's Journey to Denver Questioning Expectations and God's Provision Looking Back and Adjusting Theology Growing Up in a Christian Family Exploring Different Theologies Seeking Theological Education Discovering Spiritual Formation Shifting Understanding of God The Objective and Subjective Experiences of God Experiencing God and Releasing Expectations The Challenge of Prayer and Expressing Anger The Lack of Space for Doubt and Lament in Christian Community Knowing the Stories of God's People The Need for a Theology of Suffering The Fluidity of Faith and the Search for Authenticity Living Out the Kingdom of God Links: Find Eric here: https://www.ericnevins.com/ Listen to Halfway There here: https://shorturl.at/Ysnzx Watch this Interview here: https://youtu.be/gHrp_37JB8I Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E27: Eric Nevins: Dark Night of the Vocational Soul

S3 E27: Eric Nevins: Dark Night of the Vocational Soul

Highlights: Embrace the ongoing process of spiritual growth and recognize that there is no arrival point. Question expectations that God will make everything smooth sailing and happy. Allow God the freedom to be creative in how He works in your life and the lives of others. Recognize the tension between the objective and subjective experiences of God and embrace both. Don't compare your spiritual journey to others, as each person's experience is unique. Experiencing God cannot be forced or limited to specific activities; it requires openness and a release of expectations. The lack of space for doubt and lament in Christian worship songs, sermons, and church spaces can hinder authentic expression and growth. Knowing the stories of God's people throughout history, including their struggles and questions, can provide comfort and perspective in times of doubt and anger. A theology that acknowledges suffering and difficult questions is essential for a mature and authentic faith. Faith is a fluid journey, and it may not fit neatly into a specific label or category. The focus should be on living out the kingdom of God in everyday life. Chapters: Introduction and Setting the Tone Eric's Journey to Denver Questioning Expectations and God's Provision Looking Back and Adjusting Theology Growing Up in a Christian Family Exploring Different Theologies Seeking Theological Education Discovering Spiritual Formation Shifting Understanding of God The Objective and Subjective Experiences of God Experiencing God and Releasing Expectations The Challenge of Prayer and Expressing Anger The Lack of Space for Doubt and Lament in Christian Community Knowing the Stories of God's People The Need for a Theology of Suffering The Fluidity of Faith and the Search for Authenticity Living Out the Kingdom of God Links: Find Eric here: https://www.ericnevins.com/ Listen to Halfway There here: https://shorturl.at/Ysnzx Watch this Interview here: https://youtu.be/gHrp_37JB8I Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E27: Tom Rundel: The Bible Says... Why I don't say that anymore

S2 E27: Tom Rundel: The Bible Says... Why I don't say that anymore

Have you ever had someone use the phrase, “Well, the Bible says…” to correct you? But then they dismiss other things the Bible says with a “yeah, but…” Who we offer our “yeah but” comments to and who we hard line with “the Bible says” reveals more about the one using the phrase than it does the Bible. Today I talk about why I no longer use the phrase, “The Bible says…” and how it is often a signal of a theology that is static, exclusive, elitist, or abusive. This summarizes some of the things I learned from the last 4 interviews I did. To get there we meander through the historical narrative flow of the old and new testaments. So if you have ever struggled to make sense of what the Bible is saying, and why, it might help to understand the story. Time Stamps for the Episode: Time Stamps for the episode: 00:40 Introductions 01:54 I Don’t say, “The Bible Says” anymore 05:38 The Tabernacle Narrative 09:31 Kings and Temples Narrative 12:19 Babylon, Persia, and Greece! Oh My! 16:29 Rome, Herod, and Second Temple 19:41 It’s the end of the world as we know it 22:27 Theology: Our static Temple 27:54 Theology: our elitist and and exclusive Temple 33:02 Theology: our abusive Temple 34:56 LGBTQ+ texts vs Greed, Power, Corruption texts 37:42 Abusive Church Growth Tactics 43:30 The Bible says, says more about you than the Bible 46:52 Tables instead of Temples 52:44 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

127: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 4

127: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 4

takeaways The importance of family and personal experiences in shaping perspectives. The Isle Royale experience serves as a metaphor for disconnecting from chaos. Moderate voices in faith often face backlash for political engagement. Wisdom requires challenging one's own beliefs regularly. The prophetic tradition in Christianity speaks truth to power. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

32: Kate: When a Pastor/Husband is a Predator: Trauma, abuse, and Healing

32: Kate: When a Pastor/Husband is a Predator: Trauma, abuse, and Healing

A pastor who had 12 victims over the course of 20 years is found out. The patriarchal leadership of the church wants to sweep it all under the rug quickly. But *Kate, who happens to be married to this pastor, says No! She is not allowed to lead in this culture in spite of being the greatest leader in the room with the best plan, so she decides to take matters into her own hands. This is her story of trauma, tragedy, reconciliation, and healing. *Kate is not her real name, but a pseudonym to protect her from ongoing abusive actions of former church leaders and former husband. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:48 Introductions 02:30 Breckie in Australia with a Cuppa 03:58 Protecting her Anonymity 06:29 Inoculation makes you blind to abuse 11:14 Rebuilding the soul after recognizing abuse 15:36 The Truth comes out 20:32 Seeking to hold him accountable 25:48 Abusive patriarchy favors the abusive man 30:14 Reconciliation begins but not with him 34:49 Rebuilding a life 37:17 Learning self-care and boundaries after helping everyone else 41:59 The Healing journey begins 47:08 Gospeling the Heart 50:03 The Father Heart of God 54:26 Somatic Bodily Practices for Healing 57:59 Healing Non-sexual touch 1:02:34 Healing of song, sound, and puppies 1:05:52 You cannot think your way into trauma healing 1:08:14 Conclusions Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

69: Justin Scoggins: Inking Christ: Tattoos as Religious Art

69: Justin Scoggins: Inking Christ: Tattoos as Religious Art

Take Aways Meeting tangible needs in the community is an important expression of faith. Faith is a journey of growth and evolving perspectives. Extending grace and love to others is a central aspect of the Christian faith. The stigma of tattoos in the Christian context can be challenged and reevaluated. Personal expressions of art, such as tattoos, can be a way to build relationships and express one's faith. The cultural acceptance of tattoos in the church is influenced by historical and societal factors, such as the sexual revolution and the Reformation. Art, including tattoos, can be a powerful tool for communicating the gospel and bridging the gap between the sacred and the secular. God can be found in secular spaces, and Christians should strive to embrace and engage with the world around them. The church should value and appreciate creativity and the arts as a means of expressing and experiencing God's presence. Chapters Introduction and Background From Atheism to Faith The Evolution of Faith The Love for Tattoos Challenging Stigmas and Expressing Faith Bridging the Gap: Art and the Gospel God in Secular Spaces: Embracing the World The Importance of Creativity in the Church Links: Buy the book on July 30th: https://shorturl.at/W65VZ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E28: Justin Scoggins: Inking Christ: Tattoos as Religious Art

S3 E28: Justin Scoggins: Inking Christ: Tattoos as Religious Art

Take Aways Meeting tangible needs in the community is an important expression of faith. Faith is a journey of growth and evolving perspectives. Extending grace and love to others is a central aspect of the Christian faith. The stigma of tattoos in the Christian context can be challenged and reevaluated. Personal expressions of art, such as tattoos, can be a way to build relationships and express one's faith. The cultural acceptance of tattoos in the church is influenced by historical and societal factors, such as the sexual revolution and the Reformation. Art, including tattoos, can be a powerful tool for communicating the gospel and bridging the gap between the sacred and the secular. God can be found in secular spaces, and Christians should strive to embrace and engage with the world around them. The church should value and appreciate creativity and the arts as a means of expressing and experiencing God's presence. Chapters Introduction and Background From Atheism to Faith The Evolution of Faith The Love for Tattoos Challenging Stigmas and Expressing Faith Bridging the Gap: Art and the Gospel God in Secular Spaces: Embracing the World The Importance of Creativity in the Church Links: Buy the book on July 30th: https://shorturl.at/W65VZ Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E28: Kate: When a Pastor/Husband is a Predator: Trauma, abuse, and Healing

S2 E28: Kate: When a Pastor/Husband is a Predator: Trauma, abuse, and Healing

A pastor who had 12 victims over the course of 20 years is found out. The patriarchal leadership of the church wants to sweep it all under the rug quickly. But *Kate, who happens to be married to this pastor, says “No!” She is not allowed to lead in this culture in spite of being the greatest leader in the room with the best plan, so she decides to take matters into her own hands. This is her story of trauma, tragedy, reconciliation, and healing. *Kate is not her real name, but a pseudonym to protect her from ongoing abusive actions of former church leaders and former husband. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:48 Introductions 02:30 Breckie in Australia with a Cuppa 03:58 Protecting her Anonymity 06:29 Inoculation makes you blind to abuse 11:14 Rebuilding the soul after recognizing abuse 15:36 The Truth comes out 20:32 Seeking to hold him accountable 25:48 Abusive patriarchy favors the abusive man 30:14 Reconciliation begins… but not with him 34:49 Rebuilding a life 37:17 Learning self-care and boundaries after helping everyone else 41:59 The Healing journey begins 47:08 “Gospeling the Heart” 50:03 “The Father Heart of God” 54:26 Somatic Bodily Practices for Healing 57:59 Healing Non-sexual touch 1:02:34 Healing of song, sound, and puppies 1:05:52 You cannot think your way into trauma healing 1:08:14 Conclusions Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

128: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 5

128: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 5

The importance of family and personal experiences in shaping perspectives. The Isle Royale experience serves as a metaphor for disconnecting from chaos. Moderate voices in faith often face backlash for political engagement. Wisdom requires challenging one's own beliefs regularly. The prophetic tradition in Christianity speaks truth to power. Hyper-masculine Christianity is on the rise, raising concerns. Music serves as a powerful medium for resistance and expression. The impact of war on society is profound and often overlooked. Christians have a responsibility to address injustice and oppression. The future of Christianity may depend on its ability to separate from political nationalism. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

33: Deb Gregory: Ignatian Spirituality, Disability in the Church, Living Liminally

33: Deb Gregory: Ignatian Spirituality, Disability in the Church, Living Liminally

What happens when the church space you helped create and cultivate is not hospitable and inclusive of those in your own family with neurodivergent minds? Deb Gregory shares her story of traversing liminal spaces from her childhood into her professional career and how Ignatian spiritual practices have helped moor her to her faith and family. Deb is a spiritual director, former documentary filmmaker and church planter, and the founder of Flourish Contemplative Center. She is also the producer and host of the Betwixt Podcast. Having spent much of her life in transit, Deb enjoys the slow growth of roots with her family in Ormond Beach, FL. Where she enjoys listening with you: Flourish Spiritual Direction Where you can enjoy listening with her: Betwixt Podcast Time Stamps for the episode: 00:48 Introductions 02:50 What is Liminal Space Anyways? 06:37 Living in two worlds, belonging to neither 11:35 Where is home? 14:25 Faith roots, paradoxes, and contradictions 18:49 Lack of common spaces to hold paradox 22:08 Deconstruction as expected season of faith 27:17 Liminal seasons built into the liturgical calendar 32:39 Making space for folks in liminality 38:47 Neurodiversity and Disability in the church 44:26 Ignatius taking a cannonball to the knee 50:11 Ignatian spirituality 101 55:53 Ignatian practices 1:01:19 Pastors in liminal seasons 1:05:42 Inscape: the particular beauty of this moment 1:09:37 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

70: Tom Rundel: Recognize High Control Religious Language

70: Tom Rundel: Recognize High Control Religious Language

Take Aways Liminality is the space between what was and what will be, where we are trying to figure out how to be in a rapidly changing world. High-control religious environments can be toxic and manipulative, exerting authority over individuals and stifling personal growth. It is important to recognize and reject religious jargon that seeks to control and manipulate others. Reclaiming common human experiences, such as compassion, honesty, and justice, can help transcend religious boundaries and foster understanding. When confronted with high-control individuals, it is important to remember that you are not crazy, not engage in their games, and find a way to exit the conversation. Chapters Introduction to Liminal Living Podcast The Impact of Liminality on Individuals and Society Criticism of Christian Supremacy and Institutional Christianity The Manipulative Nature of High-Control Religious Environments Rejecting Religious Jargon and Embracing Human Universals Dealing with High-Control Individuals Conclusion and Invitation to Future Conversations Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E29: Tom Rundel: Recognize High Control Religious Language

S3 E29: Tom Rundel: Recognize High Control Religious Language

Take Aways Liminality is the space between what was and what will be, where we are trying to figure out how to be in a rapidly changing world. High-control religious environments can be toxic and manipulative, exerting authority over individuals and stifling personal growth. It is important to recognize and reject religious jargon that seeks to control and manipulate others. Reclaiming common human experiences, such as compassion, honesty, and justice, can help transcend religious boundaries and foster understanding. When confronted with high-control individuals, it is important to remember that you are not crazy, not engage in their games, and find a way to exit the conversation. Chapters Introduction to Liminal Living Podcast The Impact of Liminality on Individuals and Society Criticism of Christian Supremacy and Institutional Christianity The Manipulative Nature of High-Control Religious Environments Rejecting Religious Jargon and Embracing Human Universals Dealing with High-Control Individuals Conclusion and Invitation to Future Conversations Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E29: Deb Gregory: Ignatian Spirituality, Disability in the Church, Living Liminally

S2 E29: Deb Gregory: Ignatian Spirituality, Disability in the Church, Living Liminally

What happens when the church space you helped create and cultivate is not hospitable and inclusive of those in your own family with neurodivergent minds? Deb Gregory shares her story of traversing liminal spaces from her childhood into her professional career and how Ignatian spiritual practices have helped “moor” her to her faith and family. Deb is a spiritual director, former documentary filmmaker and church planter, and the founder of Flourish Contemplative Center. She is also the producer and host of the Betwixt Podcast. Having spent much of her life in transit, Deb enjoys the slow growth of roots with her family in Ormond Beach, FL. Where she enjoys listening with you: Flourish Spiritual Direction Where you can enjoy listening with her: Betwixt Podcast Time Stamps for the episode: 00:48 Introductions 02:50 What is Liminal Space Anyways? 06:37 Living in two worlds, belonging to neither 11:35 Where is home? 14:25 Faith roots, paradoxes, and contradictions 18:49 Lack of common spaces to hold paradox 22:08 Deconstruction as expected season of faith 27:17 Liminal seasons built into the liturgical calendar 32:39 Making space for folks in liminality 38:47 Neurodiversity and Disability in the church 44:26 Ignatius taking a cannonball to the knee 50:11 Ignatian spirituality 101 55:53 Ignatian practices 1:01:19 Pastors in liminal seasons 1:05:42 Inscape: the particular beauty of this moment 1:09:37 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

129: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 6

129: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 6

The importance of family and personal experiences in shaping perspectives. The Isle Royale experience serves as a metaphor for disconnecting from chaos. Moderate voices in faith often face backlash for political engagement. Wisdom requires challenging one's own beliefs regularly. The prophetic tradition in Christianity speaks truth to power. Hyper-masculine Christianity is on the rise, raising concerns. Music serves as a powerful medium for resistance and expression. The impact of war on society is profound and often overlooked. Christians have a responsibility to address injustice and oppression. The future of Christianity may depend on its ability to separate from political nationalism. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

34: Keith Giles: Deconstruction is the Revival you Prayed For

34: Keith Giles: Deconstruction is the Revival you Prayed For

Today on the podcast I talk with prolific author and chief boat rocker, Keith Giles. We talk about his upbringing in the a fundamentalist Baptist Church, and his journey through deconstruction. You can find Keith's writings here: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/ and here: https://www.bk2sq1.com/ and here: https://rb.gy/9yjeod all music in this episode provided by axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

71: Larry Jordan: Non Religious Spirituality

71: Larry Jordan: Non Religious Spirituality

Takeaways Hold beliefs loosely and be open to subjective experiences and objective evidence. Recognize the limitations of creedal faith and the need for a more contextualized understanding of God. Explore the concept of oneness and the connection between mysticism, science, and different religious traditions. Embrace a sense of awe, gratitude, and responsibility towards everyone and everything. Question and challenge traditional beliefs and seek a more expansive spirituality. Contextualizing God in the modern culture requires holding beliefs more loosely and embracing the diversity of religious and theological perspectives. Reflecting on what is essential to one's faith and being open to different interpretations can help address improper understandings of God. Moving away from a fear-based understanding of religion and focusing on love, compassion, and service can lead to a healthier and more inclusive spirituality. Exploring different spiritual practices and engaging with diverse religious traditions can deepen one's understanding and connection to ultimate reality. Questioning and reevaluating beliefs is a necessary part of spiritual growth and evolution. Chapters Larry's Background and Retirement Exploring Faith and Writing a Book Questioning Beliefs and Evolution of Thought Contextualizing God in Modern Culture The Limitations of Creedal Faith Challenges of Modern Christianity Contextualizing God in the Modern Culture Moving Away from Fear-Based Religion Questioning and Reevaluating Beliefs Exploring Different Spiritual Practices Links: Buy the Book here: [ click here for Amazon link ] Connect with Larry Here: https://larryjordanauthor.com/ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E30: Larry Jordan: Non Religious Spirituality

S3 E30: Larry Jordan: Non Religious Spirituality

Takeaways Hold beliefs loosely and be open to subjective experiences and objective evidence. Recognize the limitations of creedal faith and the need for a more contextualized understanding of God. Explore the concept of oneness and the connection between mysticism, science, and different religious traditions. Embrace a sense of awe, gratitude, and responsibility towards everyone and everything. Question and challenge traditional beliefs and seek a more expansive spirituality. Contextualizing God in the modern culture requires holding beliefs more loosely and embracing the diversity of religious and theological perspectives. Reflecting on what is essential to one's faith and being open to different interpretations can help address improper understandings of God. Moving away from a fear-based understanding of religion and focusing on love, compassion, and service can lead to a healthier and more inclusive spirituality. Exploring different spiritual practices and engaging with diverse religious traditions can deepen one's understanding and connection to ultimate reality. Questioning and reevaluating beliefs is a necessary part of spiritual growth and evolution. Chapters Larry's Background and Retirement Exploring Faith and Writing a Book Questioning Beliefs and Evolution of Thought Contextualizing God in Modern Culture The Limitations of Creedal Faith Challenges of Modern Christianity Contextualizing God in the Modern Culture Moving Away from Fear-Based Religion Questioning and Reevaluating Beliefs Exploring Different Spiritual Practices Links: Buy the Book here: [ click here for Amazon link ] Connect with Larry Here: https://larryjordanauthor.com/ Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E30: Keith Giles: Deconstruction is the Revival you Prayed For

S2 E30: Keith Giles: Deconstruction is the Revival you Prayed For

Today on the podcast I talk with prolific author and chief boat rocker, Keith Giles. We talk about his upbringing in the a fundamentalist Baptist Church, and his journey through deconstruction. You can find Keith's writings here: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/ and here: https://www.bk2sq1.com/ and here: https://rb.gy/9yjeod all music in this episode provided by axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

130: Brian McLaren: Reimagining God for the Modern World

130: Brian McLaren: Reimagining God for the Modern World

Check out Brian's work here: https://brianmclaren.net/ Order his new Book here: https://brianmclaren.net/the-last-voyage-my-new-sci-fi-novel/ Check out his podcast here: https://cac.org/podcast/learning-how-to-see/?fbclid=IwAR2F2SM7RopzGuelD8HOshRFUCxhf9yg0wT9wz6lKWRSy9S6IO0Jnz2DX80 Takeaways Brian McLaren shares a joyful moment with his grandson. The importance of being present in the moment to find joy. Fiction can be a powerful medium to explore complex themes. Imagination is crucial in times of societal regression. Ethics should arise from mutual dependence within communities. Empathy is essential for a healthy ethical framework. The Bible reflects the values of an indigenous people. Progressive Christianity faces challenges in a modern context. Recontextualizing faith is necessary for contemporary believers. Hope is found in the conviction to pursue meaningful actions. Chapters Introduction and Background The Shift to Fiction Writing Exploring the Role of Storytelling Ethics and Community Dynamics The Intersection of Faith and Politics Understanding Indigenous Ethics The Impact of Modernity on Religion The Future of Christianity in a Changing World The Impact of Modernity on Faith Deconstruction and Reconstruction of Faith Diverse Perspectives on God Creeds and Their Relevance Today Recontextualizing Theology for a Modern World Re-enchanting the World Hope Amidst Regression Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

35: Rob Bell: Life, Death, and a Little Bit of Everything

35: Rob Bell: Life, Death, and a Little Bit of Everything

Today on the podcast I have the wonderful privilege of talking with Rob Bell about his new book, Where'd You Park Your Spaceship? We meander in conversation from topics like grief, surfing, death, life, resurrection, hope, dreams, and as the title suggests, a little bit of everything. You can find Rob's work here: www.Robbell.com Time Stamps for this episode: 1:58 Introductions 5:38 Graduating into new seasons of life 10:08 Saying "yes" to life and befriending death 16:23 Intellectual frames don't define reality 22:32 The accumulation of un-grieved grief 27:57 Learning to be human again through grief 34:14 Accepting mortality brings resurrection 41:27 Identity working itself out in writing 47:55 Two halves of Life in narrative 53:59 Heaven and Hell and Reality 1:00:15 En-fleshing ideas in humanity 1:06:38 "The News" and finding hope 1:12:38 We create the world we inhabit, we can uncreate it 1:18:04 Conclusion All music in this episode is provided by Axeltree. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

72: Matthew J Distefano: The Wisdom of Hobbits for Today

72: Matthew J Distefano: The Wisdom of Hobbits for Today

Key points include: The unhealthy balance between individual well-being and community demands in evangelical settings. The symbolic and inspirational aspects of Tolkiens stories and how they relate to real-life experiences. The importance of continuing to do good without relying on miraculous interventions. Reflections on the role of marginalized voices in pursuing true justice and equity. The episode delves into the deeper, often overlooked, emotional and spiritual struggles within religious communities, emphasizing the need for genuine connection and personal growth. Links : Buy the Book [ click here ] check out God Squad [ click here ] check out Heretic Happy Hour [ click here ] Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E31: Matthew J Distefano: The Wisdom of Hobbits for Today

S3 E31: Matthew J Distefano: The Wisdom of Hobbits for Today

Key points include: • The unhealthy balance between individual well-being and community demands in evangelical settings. • The symbolic and inspirational aspects of Tolkien’s stories and how they relate to real-life experiences. • The importance of continuing to do good without relying on miraculous interventions. • Reflections on the role of marginalized voices in pursuing true justice and equity. The episode delves into the deeper, often overlooked, emotional and spiritual struggles within religious communities, emphasizing the need for genuine connection and personal growth. Links : Buy the Book [ click here ] check out God Squad [ click here ] check out Heretic Happy Hour [ click here ] Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E31: Rob Bell: Life, Death, and a Little Bit of Everything

S2 E31: Rob Bell: Life, Death, and a Little Bit of Everything

Today on the podcast I have the wonderful privilege of talking with Rob Bell about his new book, Where'd You Park Your Spaceship? We meander in conversation from topics like grief, surfing, death, life, resurrection, hope, dreams, and as the title suggests, a little bit of everything. You can find Rob's work here: www.Robbell.com Time Stamps for this episode: 1:58 Introductions 5:38 Graduating into new seasons of life 10:08 Saying "yes" to life and befriending death 16:23 Intellectual frames don't define reality 22:32 The accumulation of un-grieved grief 27:57 Learning to be human again through grief 34:14 Accepting mortality brings resurrection 41:27 Identity working itself out in writing 47:55 Two halves of Life in narrative 53:59 Heaven and Hell and Reality 1:00:15 En-fleshing ideas in humanity 1:06:38 "The News" and finding hope 1:12:38 We create the world we inhabit, we can uncreate it 1:18:04 Conclusion All music in this episode is provided by Axeltree. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

131: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 7

131: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 7

takeaways Music serves as a powerful tool for social change. The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music. Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles. Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe. Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times. The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship. Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections. Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art. The importance of community and shared values in music. Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

36: Scot McKnight: Revelation, End Times, and Christian Nationalism

36: Scot McKnight: Revelation, End Times, and Christian Nationalism

S2 E32: Scot McKnight: Revelation, End Times, and Christian Nationalism Today I talk with Scot McKnight, he's the professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, a history buff of early Christianity, a theology nerd, and a prolific author of almost 40 published books and academic articles. He's delved deep into topics like the historical Jesus, early Christianity, and how to live the Christian life. McKnight is ordained in the Anglican tradition and is theological advisor to Todd Hunter. Today we explore his most recent book, Revelation for the Rest of Us. We delve into his history in fundamentalism, conversion to Anglicanism, theological explorations, the Book of Revelation, political leanings, and more. It is a conversation to stretch your mind beyond the borders of standard American theology of the End Times. You can find Scots blog here: https://scotmcknight.substack.com/ You can find Scots books here: https://rb.gy/xl32he Time Stamps for the episode: 03:32 Introductions 07:14 Roots and Soil Scot grew up in 11:55 Early Fundamentalist Faith 16:45 Shifting to Anglicanism 20:58 Pause for Definition of terms 22:59 Rapture Trauma 27:58 Why this Book and Why now? 34:18 Speculative vs Imaginative readings of Revelation 40:11 Christian Nationalism steeped in Dispensationalism 46:44 Dissident Disciples or MAGA followers 49:46 Finding Hope in todays world 54:19 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S2 E32: Scot McKnight: Revelation, End Times, and Christian Nationalism

S2 E32: Scot McKnight: Revelation, End Times, and Christian Nationalism

S2 E32: Scot McKnight: Revelation, End Times, and Christian Nationalism Today I talk with Scot McKnight, he's the professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, a history buff of early Christianity, a theology nerd, and a prolific author of almost 40 published books and academic articles. He's delved deep into topics like the historical Jesus, early Christianity, and how to live the Christian life. McKnight is ordained in the Anglican tradition and is theological advisor to Todd Hunter. Today we explore his most recent book, Revelation for the Rest of Us. We delve into his history in fundamentalism, conversion to Anglicanism, theological explorations, the Book of Revelation, political leanings, and more. It is a conversation to stretch your mind beyond the borders of standard American theology of the “End Times.” You can find Scot’s blog here: https://scotmcknight.substack.com/ You can find Scot’s books here: https://rb.gy/xl32he Time Stamps for the episode: 03:32 Introductions 07:14 Roots and Soil Scot grew up in 11:55 Early Fundamentalist Faith 16:45 Shifting to Anglicanism 20:58 Pause for Definition of terms 22:59 Rapture Trauma 27:58 Why this Book and Why now? 34:18 Speculative vs Imaginative readings of Revelation 40:11 Christian Nationalism steeped in Dispensationalism 46:44 Dissident Disciples or MAGA followers 49:46 Finding Hope in today’s world 54:19 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

132: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 8

132: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 8

takeaways Music serves as a powerful tool for social change. The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music. Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles. Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe. Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times. The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship. Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections. Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art. The importance of community and shared values in music. Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

37: Tom Rundel: Holding Conviction Confidently and Non-violently

37: Tom Rundel: Holding Conviction Confidently and Non-violently

Have you ever learned a new perspective, started a new diet, or become really religious, and then get on a mission to convert everyone in your path to this new thing only to leave it behind at some point and wonder whats real? Me too. It leaves you feeling guilty for being wrong or feeling shamed for convincing so many people of something you are not so sure of anymore. What do we do with this part of our history, and how can we hold our current convictions with both confidence and humility? In this episode I share some thoughts I have learned along the way of having conversations with wonderful folks on this podcast. I also offer some perspective on passages of scripture like the widows two mites, and the parable of the talents. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:43 Mental Furniture 05:45 Convert, Convince, Convict 11:14 Frames and how we hold them 16:13 Learning from perspectives not my own 21:52 Naming your frames to hold them non-violently 27:48 The Parable of the Talents 33:33 Parable of the Whistleblower 39:36 Interpreting scripture through our frame 44:12 Creating subcultures and naming it reality 49:38 Christian Nationalism 53:52 Hope is not an emotion, but an imagination 57:02 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

73: Chris Green: Dead Answers vs Living Questions

73: Chris Green: Dead Answers vs Living Questions

Chapters Intro Theology and Art Where does art come from? What does art do? Art involves us in the truth Art opens us up to truth Imagination and Faith Sweaty Pentecostalism Knowing more about demons than about God Bonhoeffer A true place to belong Incarnation shows us what God is like Conclusion Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E33: Chris Green: Dead Answers vs Living Questions

S3 E33: Chris Green: Dead Answers vs Living Questions

Chapters Intro Theology and Art Where does art come from? What does art do? Art involves us in the truth Art opens us up to truth Imagination and Faith Sweaty Pentecostalism Knowing more about demons than about God Bonhoeffer A true place to belong Incarnation shows us what God is like Conclusion Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E33: Tom Rundel: Holding Conviction Confidently and Non-violently

S2 E33: Tom Rundel: Holding Conviction Confidently and Non-violently

Have you ever learned a new perspective, started a new diet, or become really religious, and then get on a mission to convert everyone in your path to this new thing… only to leave it behind at some point and wonder what’s real? Me too. It leaves you feeling guilty for being “wrong” or feeling shamed for convincing so many people of something you are not so sure of anymore. What do we do with this part of our history, and how can we hold our current convictions with both confidence and humility? In this episode I share some thoughts I have learned along the way of having conversations with wonderful folks on this podcast. I also offer some perspective on passages of scripture like the widow’s two mites, and the parable of the talents. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:43 Mental Furniture 05:45 Convert, Convince, Convict 11:14 Frames and how we hold them 16:13 Learning from perspectives not my own 21:52 Naming your frames to hold them non-violently 27:48 The Parable of the Talents 33:33 Parable of the Whistleblower 39:36 Interpreting scripture through our frame 44:12 Creating subcultures and naming it reality 49:38 Christian Nationalism 53:52 Hope is not an emotion, but an imagination 57:02 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

133: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 9

133: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 9

takeaways Music serves as a powerful tool for social change. The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music. Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles. Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe. Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times. The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship. Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections. Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art. The importance of community and shared values in music. Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

38: Dr Thomas Jay Oord: God is not Omnipotent, and that's good news

38: Dr Thomas Jay Oord: God is not Omnipotent, and that's good news

S2 E34: Dr Thomas Jay Oord: God is not Omnipotent, and that is Good news. Can God microwave a burrito so hot that even he cant eat it? -Homer Simpson. All joking aside, today I talk to Dr Thomas Jay Oord about his new book, the Death of Omnipotence, the Birth of Amipotence. This book provides a critique of the classic doctrine of Omnipotence, and why it is good news that God is NOT all powerful. Dr Oord is an award-winning author, and he has written or edited more than thirty books. Oord directs a doctoral program at Northwind Theological Seminary and the Center for Open and Relational Theology. He won the Outstanding Faculty Award twelve times as a full-time professor He also speaks at institutions across the globe. Most recently at Theology Beer Camp with Tripp Fuller. He also runs the Ort Shorts podcast and has been featured on over 50 podcasts. Dr. Oord is known for his contributions to open and relational theology, science and religion, and freedom and relationships for transformation. He and his wife, Cheryl, have three daughters, a son-in-law, and two grandchildren. You can find his work at www.thomasjayoord.com Time Stamps for the episode: 03:18 Theology and Photography 08:55 From faith to Atheism and back to faith 14:47 The problem with Apologetics 19:42 Needing a modern moral framework 22:19 Omnipotent God OR Loving God 27:53 The Death of Omnipotence 34:01 Play the mystery card 38:06 Omnipotence vs Amipotence 42:53 God is all Loving with power, not All powerful with love 47:06 Abuses of Omnipotence 52:51 Authority vs Power 58:02 Pet Peeves and Hope 1:02:47 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

74: Anthony Smith: Faith, Race, and Politics

74: Anthony Smith: Faith, Race, and Politics

Chapters Introductions Faith Rooted Organizer Anthony vs Confederate Statue An Ecumenical Exorcism of White Nationalism and Racism An Apocalyptic moment and call Christians call to apocalyptic action Hyper individualism and its damage on society The Gospel and White Jesus made an atheist The Gospel evolve to meet us White Christian Nationalism is a form of bad Atheism Christianity as ideology for the nation state is bad news A Heart attack and an existential crisis The Sound of the Genuine Dont live apologetically Pay attention and find purpose Conclusions Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E34: Anthony Smith: Faith, Race, and Politics

S3 E34: Anthony Smith: Faith, Race, and Politics

Chapters Introductions Faith Rooted Organizer Anthony vs Confederate Statue An Ecumenical Exorcism of White Nationalism and Racism An Apocalyptic moment and call Christians call to apocalyptic action Hyper individualism and its damage on society The Gospel and White Jesus made an atheist The Gospel evolve to meet us White Christian Nationalism is a form of bad Atheism Christianity as ideology for the nation state is bad news A Heart attack and an existential crisis The Sound of the Genuine Don’t live apologetically Pay attention and find purpose Conclusions Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E34: Dr Thomas Jay Oord: God is not Omnipotent, and that's good news

S2 E34: Dr Thomas Jay Oord: God is not Omnipotent, and that's good news

S2 E34: Dr Thomas Jay Oord: God is not Omnipotent, and that is Good news. “Can God microwave a burrito so hot that even he can’t eat it?” -Homer Simpson. All joking aside, today I talk to Dr Thomas Jay Oord about his new book, the Death of Omnipotence, the Birth of Amipotence. This book provides a critique of the classic doctrine of Omnipotence, and why it is good news that God is NOT all powerful. Dr Oord is an award-winning author, and he has written or edited more than thirty books. Oord directs a doctoral program at Northwind Theological Seminary and the Center for Open and Relational Theology. He won the Outstanding Faculty Award twelve times as a full-time professor He also speaks at institutions across the globe. Most recently at Theology Beer Camp with Tripp Fuller. He also runs the Ort Shorts podcast and has been featured on over 50 podcasts. Dr. Oord is known for his contributions to open and relational theology, science and religion, and freedom and relationships for transformation. He and his wife, Cheryl, have three daughters, a son-in-law, and two grandchildren. You can find his work at www.thomasjayoord.com Time Stamps for the episode: 03:18 Theology and Photography 08:55 From faith to Atheism and back to faith 14:47 The problem with “Apologetics” 19:42 Needing a modern moral framework 22:19 Omnipotent God OR Loving God 27:53 The Death of Omnipotence 34:01 Play the mystery card 38:06 Omnipotence vs Amipotence 42:53 God is all Loving with power, not All powerful with love 47:06 Abuses of Omnipotence 52:51 Authority vs Power 58:02 Pet Peeves and Hope 1:02:47 Conclusions All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

134: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 10

134: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 10

takeaways Music serves as a powerful tool for social change. The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music. Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles. Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe. Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times. The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship. Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections. Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art. The importance of community and shared values in music. Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

39: Kenneth Tanner: God Becomes Human in Christ... for real.

39: Kenneth Tanner: God Becomes Human in Christ... for real.

God became a human being, the incarnation, a central dogma of the Christian tradition that I was not taught in my Evangelical tradition. Well it was a messy necessity for Chgrist to be human so that the real dogma of substitutionary atonement was valid. Father Kenny and I dive into this concept in all its beauty today on what it means that God became human. Father Kenneth Tanner is pastor of Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills Michigan, writer at Sojourners, Patheos, and Substack, author of an upcoming book called Vulnerable God: Retrieving the Wonder of God-With-Us in Our Humanity, teacher, and wonderful human being. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:31 Intro 03:40 Handing me mystery instead of answers 08:30 Mystery leads to awe and wonder 12:40 A long painful call into ministry 17:48 Grief and anxiety in ministry 22:05 The soil Father Kenny grew out of 25:41 Two responses to the Challenger tragedy 29:42 The expansive idea of God becoming human 34:39 Incarnation IS revelation of God 40:09 Gods humility in Christ is not an anomaly 45:11 The role of Mary in the Incarnation 51:49 God has a mother 57:18 Christs humanity is just like our humanity 1:03:32 Reading our fallenness back into God 1:07:59 Vulnerable God, the Book 1:12:43 Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

75: Kathy Khang: Finding a Home, Immigration and Power in the Church

75: Kathy Khang: Finding a Home, Immigration and Power in the Church

Chapters Introductions Good Coffee Spiritual Roots in the Korean Church in Chicago Renting church space and false hospitality Rethinking Hospitality as the Church Loving Disagreement what it is and is NOT Love is not nice Toxic Positivity The Moving Goalposts of expectation False apostolic authority used to create exclusive dogma What loving your enemy can look like Conclusions Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E35: Kathy Khang: Finding a Home, Immigration and Power in the Church

S3 E35: Kathy Khang: Finding a Home, Immigration and Power in the Church

Chapters Introductions Good Coffee Spiritual Roots in the Korean Church in Chicago Renting church space and false hospitality Rethinking Hospitality as the Church Loving Disagreement what it is and is NOT Love is not nice Toxic Positivity The Moving Goalposts of expectation False apostolic authority used to create exclusive dogma What loving your enemy can look like Conclusions Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E35: Kenneth Tanner: God Becomes Human in Christ... for real.

S2 E35: Kenneth Tanner: God Becomes Human in Christ... for real.

God became a human being, the incarnation, a central dogma of the Christian tradition that I was not taught in my Evangelical tradition. Well it was a messy necessity for Chgrist to be human so that the “real” dogma of substitutionary atonement was valid. Father Kenny and I dive into this concept in all its beauty today on what it means that God became human. Father Kenneth Tanner is pastor of Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills Michigan, writer at Sojourners, Patheos, and Substack, author of an upcoming book called Vulnerable God: Retrieving the Wonder of God-With-Us in Our Humanity, teacher, and wonderful human being. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:31 Intro 03:40 Handing me mystery instead of answers 08:30 Mystery leads to awe and wonder 12:40 A long painful call into ministry 17:48 Grief and anxiety in ministry 22:05 The soil Father Kenny grew out of 25:41 Two responses to the Challenger tragedy 29:42 The expansive idea of God becoming human 34:39 Incarnation IS revelation of God 40:09 God’s humility in Christ is not an anomaly 45:11 The role of Mary in the Incarnation 51:49 God has a mother 57:18 Christ’s humanity is just like our humanity 1:03:32 Reading our fallenness back into God 1:07:59 Vulnerable God, the Book 1:12:43 Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

135: Josh Patterson: From Deconstruction to Re-Enchantment

135: Josh Patterson: From Deconstruction to Re-Enchantment

takeaways Josh Patterson discusses his recent exploration of radical theology. The conversation highlights the importance of ongoing education through podcasts. Tom Rundel reflects on the evolution of his own theological perspectives. The hosts discuss the need for re-enchantment in a post-deconstruction world. Process theology is presented as a way to understand God as a verb rather than a noun. The conversation touches on the interconnectedness of all beings and the importance of community. The hosts emphasize the significance of storytelling in spirituality. They explore the role of symbols in religious traditions and their meanings. The discussion includes the importance of humility in understanding different faiths. The hosts encourage listeners to experiment with their faith and experiences. Links: Web: https://www.joshuagpatterson.com/ Pod: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rethinking-faith/id1438696524 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/RethinkingFaith Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

40: Dr Chris Green: Dead Answers vs Living Questions

40: Dr Chris Green: Dead Answers vs Living Questions

S2 E35: Dr Chris Green: Dead Answers vs Living Questions Too often theology becomes more about trophy hunting for the right answers in order to impress and display. But trophies are dead things. Dr. Chris Green and I talk about the role of art and imagination in the theological process of finding living questions, which are small answers that lead to more questions and explorations. Dr. Chris Green is Professor of Public Theology at Southeastern University, the Bishop of the Diocese of St Anthony, and Director for St Anthony Institute of Theology, Philosophy, and Liturgics. He is the author and editor of a number of books, articles, and reviews, including most recently All Things Beautiful: An Aesthetic Christology. He and his wife, Julie, live in Cleveland, TN with their sons Clive and Emery, and their Weimaraner, Auggie. Their oldest, Zo, is currently attending the University of Oklahoma. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:35 Intro 04:19 Theology and Art 08:25 Where does art come from? 13:46 What does art do? 18:19 Art involves us in the truth 23:46 Art opens us up to truth 28:29 Imagination and Faith 33:41 Sweaty Pentecostalism 38:29 Knowing more about demons than about God 44:31 Bonhoeffer 49:30 A true place to belong 55:22 Incarnation shows us what God is like 1:02:13 Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

76: Randy Woodley: Indigenous Spirituality and Decolonizing Christianity

76: Randy Woodley: Indigenous Spirituality and Decolonizing Christianity

Chapters Introductions Cherokee roots My Oppressive Missionary Colonizer Years Colonialism woven into the Christian faith The Violence of Christian Supremacy Conservative politics picks up the torch of colonialism The Problem of Disembodied Theology Shalom and the Failed Western Experiment Decolonizing the Faith Colonial Theology that needs to Go: Hell, Exclusivity, and Original Sin The Practice of Vulnerable Conversation Conclusions Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E36: Randy Woodley: Indigenous Spirituality and Decolonizing Christianity

S3 E36: Randy Woodley: Indigenous Spirituality and Decolonizing Christianity

Chapters Introductions Cherokee roots My Oppressive Missionary Colonizer Years Colonialism woven into the Christian faith The Violence of Christian Supremacy Conservative politics picks up the torch of colonialism The Problem of Disembodied Theology Shalom and the Failed Western Experiment Decolonizing the Faith Colonial Theology that needs to Go: Hell, Exclusivity, and Original Sin The Practice of Vulnerable Conversation Conclusions Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E36: Dr Chris Green: Dead Answers vs Living Questions

S2 E36: Dr Chris Green: Dead Answers vs Living Questions

S2 E35: Dr Chris Green: Dead Answers vs Living Questions Too often theology becomes more about trophy hunting for the “right” answers in order to impress and display. But trophies are dead things. Dr. Chris Green and I talk about the role of art and imagination in the theological process of finding living questions, which are small answers that lead to more questions and explorations. Dr. Chris Green is Professor of Public Theology at Southeastern University, the Bishop of the Diocese of St Anthony, and Director for St Anthony Institute of Theology, Philosophy, and Liturgics. He is the author and editor of a number of books, articles, and reviews, including most recently All Things Beautiful: An Aesthetic Christology. He and his wife, Julie, live in Cleveland, TN with their sons Clive and Emery, and their Weimaraner, Auggie. Their oldest, Zoë, is currently attending the University of Oklahoma. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:35 Intro 04:19 Theology and Art 08:25 Where does art come from? 13:46 What does art do? 18:19 Art involves us in the truth 23:46 Art opens us up to truth 28:29 Imagination and Faith 33:41 Sweaty Pentecostalism 38:29 Knowing more about demons than about God 44:31 Bonhoeffer 49:30 A true place to belong 55:22 Incarnation shows us what God is like 1:02:13 Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

136: Matt Alexander: Reimagining God After Burnout

136: Matt Alexander: Reimagining God After Burnout

takeaways Ministry leadership is inherently difficult and often leads to burnout. Burnout can stem from vocational disappointment and unmet expectations. Relational injuries within ministry contexts are common and can be deeply impactful. Pastors often neglect their emotional health, leading to unregulated emotions. It's essential for pastors to have friendships outside their congregations. The Kineo Center provides support for pastors experiencing burnout. Naming and addressing emotions is crucial for mental health. Internalized expectations can distort a pastor's sense of self. Navigating change in ministry requires awareness of relational dynamics. Creating space for lament in church settings is important for emotional health. Links: The Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/ The Quiz: https://www.thekineocenter.com/burnoutprevention Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

41: SEASON 2 FINALE!!

41: SEASON 2 FINALE!!

We made it to the end of the year! So to celebrate I revisited our top three most downloaded episodes*, as well as read some of your comments on your favorite moments. Thank you for listening and contributing to the conversation. Here is to a great season 3! *after recording this, Dr Chris Greens episode released and became the #1 downloaded episode of the season. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:00 Intro 07:55 #3 most downloaded: Kenneth Tanner 14:40 #2 most downloaded: Rob Bell 21:25 #1 most downloaded: Matt Tebbe 27:46 Joe: Dont Spiritualize Your Problems 35:20 Terri: Consolation and Desolation 41:43 Collette: Universal Redemption 46:27 Abigail: Kates Courage 52:14 Scott: Liminal seasons of new life 58:03 Dave: The Bible Says 1:03:51 Rosie: Frames and Reality 1:10:35 David: Rob Bells laugh 1:14:13 Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

77: Matt Tebbe: Money, Power, and Abuse in the Church

77: Matt Tebbe: Money, Power, and Abuse in the Church

Introductions Climbing Mt. Whitney Facing Internal Demons on the Mountain Spiritual Roots in Catholicism Grace in Community & Abuse on Church Staff Abusive Leadership Embraces Power and Causes Trauma Using Your Voice with Clarity and Humility Spiritualizing the Poor is a Hermeneutic Mistake The God of Mammon, Power, Money, and Economy What Love of Money Actually Looks Like Exposing Undercover Idolatry Mammons Weapon is Fear of Death What Really Causes Inflation Gatekeepers of the Bible Dont Actually Like the Bible Mammon Works and Why We Cant See It. How to Love our Neighbor Conclusions Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E37: Matt Tebbe: Money, Power, and Abuse in the Church

S3 E37: Matt Tebbe: Money, Power, and Abuse in the Church

Introductions Climbing Mt. Whitney Facing Internal Demons on the Mountain Spiritual Roots in Catholicism Grace in Community & Abuse on Church Staff Abusive Leadership Embraces Power and Causes Trauma Using Your Voice with Clarity and Humility Spiritualizing the Poor is a Hermeneutic Mistake The God of Mammon, Power, Money, and Economy What “Love of Money” Actually Looks Like Exposing Undercover Idolatry Mammon’s Weapon is Fear of Death What Really Causes Inflation Gatekeepers of the Bible Don’t Actually Like the Bible Mammon “Works” and Why We Can’t See It. How to Love our Neighbor Conclusions Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

S2 E37: SEASON FINALE!!

S2 E37: SEASON FINALE!!

We made it to the end of the year! So to celebrate I revisited our top three most downloaded episodes*, as well as read some of your comments on your favorite moments. Thank you for listening and contributing to the conversation. Here is to a great season 3! *after recording this, Dr Chris Green’s episode released and became the #1 downloaded episode of the season. Time Stamps for the episode: 00:00 Intro 07:55 #3 most downloaded: Kenneth Tanner 14:40 #2 most downloaded: Rob Bell 21:25 #1 most downloaded: Matt Tebbe 27:46 Joe: Don’t Spiritualize Your Problems 35:20 Terri: Consolation and Desolation 41:43 Collette: Universal Redemption 46:27 Abigail: Kate’s Courage 52:14 Scott: Liminal seasons of new life 58:03 Dave: “The Bible Says” 1:03:51 Rosie: Frames and Reality 1:10:35 David: Rob Bell’s laugh 1:14:13 Conclusion All Music for this episode is provided by Axeltree Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

137: Tori Owens & Jonathan Foster: Rooting God in the Human Experience

137: Tori Owens & Jonathan Foster: Rooting God in the Human Experience

takeaways Tori Owens and Jonathan Foster discuss their experiences with open and relational theology. The definition of love is explored as a non-violent, non-scapegoating energy. Personal stories play a crucial role in understanding authority within the church. God assumptions can shape our emotional well-being and spirituality. Reimagining God in modern contexts is essential for spiritual growth. Emotional well-being is tied to our understanding of God and how we relate to others. Integrating new understandings of God requires practical steps in daily life. Listening to our bodies can provide insights into our emotional state and spirituality. Acting our way into new ways of thinking is more effective than merely changing our thoughts. The conversation emphasizes the importance of love-centric theology over power-centric theology. Links: Links: Jonathans many links: https://www.jonathanfosteronline.com/ Tori's Substack: https://toriowens.substack.com/ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

78: Chuck DeGroat: Trauma, Narcissism, Deconstruction, Dark Night of the Soul

78: Chuck DeGroat: Trauma, Narcissism, Deconstruction, Dark Night of the Soul

Links Pre-order Chuck's New Book: [ click here ] Chucks Author Page: [ click here ] Chuck's Amazon Page: [ click here ] Takeaways Chuck DeGroat's faith journey was shaped by a mix of embodied spirituality and disorientation due to brokenness in his parents' marriage. He found a broader understanding of faith through the contemplative tradition and the mystics, which opened up a more expansive language for his experience of God. Chuck DeGroat's work as a counselor, spiritual director, and author is rooted in his own experiences of pain and the desire to help others navigate their own wounds. Narcissism in church communities can lead to alienation, disconnection, and the multiplication of pain and abuse. Self-awareness is crucial in navigating narcissistic tendencies, and it allows for growth, transformation, and the ability to acknowledge and repair the impact on others. The dynamic between narcissistic leaders and followers is often characterized by mirror hunger and ideal hunger, where the leader seeks validation and the follower seeks fulfillment of certain needs. Being drawn to authoritarian leaders can be a result of feeling a sense of alignment and connection with them, especially for those who have experienced shame and insecurity growing up. Hypermasculinity is often a defense mechanism to disown shame, and many hypermasculine individuals have experienced profound pain, trauma, and powerlessness in their past. Paying attention to the inner dashboard, which includes thoughts, emotions, body sensations, behaviors, and interpersonal relationships, can help identify symptoms of trauma and the need for healing. Deconstruction and the dark night of the soul are similar phenomena that involve questioning and reevaluating one's beliefs and experiences of God, often leading to a sense of disorientation and abandonment. Being anchored in a state of calm and presence, rather than being stuck in survival mode, allows for genuine connection, curiosity, and engagement with ideas. Chapters A Journey of Faith and Disorientation Exploring the Contemplative Tradition Navigating Narcissism in Church Communities The Importance of Self-Awareness Transformation in the Midst of Pain and Suffering The Dynamic Between Narcissistic Leaders and Followers Hypermasculinity as a Defense Mechanism for Disowned Shame The Inner Dashboard: Identifying Symptoms of Trauma Deconstruction and the Dark Night of the Soul Anchoring in Calm and Presence for Genuine Connection Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E38: Chuck DeGroat: Trauma, Narcissism, Deconstruction, Dark Night of the Soul

S3 E38: Chuck DeGroat: Trauma, Narcissism, Deconstruction, Dark Night of the Soul

Links Pre-order Chuck's New Book: [ click here ] Chucks Author Page: [ click here ] Chuck's Amazon Page: [ click here ] Takeaways Chuck DeGroat's faith journey was shaped by a mix of embodied spirituality and disorientation due to brokenness in his parents' marriage. He found a broader understanding of faith through the contemplative tradition and the mystics, which opened up a more expansive language for his experience of God. Chuck DeGroat's work as a counselor, spiritual director, and author is rooted in his own experiences of pain and the desire to help others navigate their own wounds. Narcissism in church communities can lead to alienation, disconnection, and the multiplication of pain and abuse. Self-awareness is crucial in navigating narcissistic tendencies, and it allows for growth, transformation, and the ability to acknowledge and repair the impact on others. The dynamic between narcissistic leaders and followers is often characterized by mirror hunger and ideal hunger, where the leader seeks validation and the follower seeks fulfillment of certain needs. Being drawn to authoritarian leaders can be a result of feeling a sense of alignment and connection with them, especially for those who have experienced shame and insecurity growing up. Hypermasculinity is often a defense mechanism to disown shame, and many hypermasculine individuals have experienced profound pain, trauma, and powerlessness in their past. Paying attention to the inner dashboard, which includes thoughts, emotions, body sensations, behaviors, and interpersonal relationships, can help identify symptoms of trauma and the need for healing. Deconstruction and the dark night of the soul are similar phenomena that involve questioning and reevaluating one's beliefs and experiences of God, often leading to a sense of disorientation and abandonment. Being anchored in a state of calm and presence, rather than being stuck in survival mode, allows for genuine connection, curiosity, and engagement with ideas. Chapters A Journey of Faith and Disorientation Exploring the Contemplative Tradition Navigating Narcissism in Church Communities The Importance of Self-Awareness Transformation in the Midst of Pain and Suffering The Dynamic Between Narcissistic Leaders and Followers Hypermasculinity as a Defense Mechanism for Disowned Shame The Inner Dashboard: Identifying Symptoms of Trauma Deconstruction and the Dark Night of the Soul Anchoring in Calm and Presence for Genuine Connection Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

138: Matt Tebbe: Reimagining God Beyond Empire Economics: Pt 1

138: Matt Tebbe: Reimagining God Beyond Empire Economics: Pt 1

Being in nature and facing challenges is vital. Community support is essential during difficult times. Toxic positivity denies reality; genuine hope acknowledges pain. Pastors often feel powerless in a chaotic world. The need for pastoral care is mutual between pastor and congregation. Navigating political issues in ministry is complex. Moral choices in politics often feel inconsistent. Christian nationalism poses a significant challenge to faith. Capitalism influences our understanding of God. We must imagine God beyond economic systems. Self-interest governs the market, but it conflicts with the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God operates on grace, not merit. Christianity has been co-opted by capitalism in America. The Enlightenment shifted God from the material to the immaterial. Debt relief is a biblical principle that many Christians overlook. Christian nationalism often distorts the true message of the Gospel. Freedom and supremacy are often conflated in religious contexts. Naming systemic issues is crucial for spiritual growth. Experiments against mammon can lead to meaningful change. Community practices can reclaim time and challenge capitalist norms. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

80: David Gushee: Defending Democracy From its Christian Enemies

80: David Gushee: Defending Democracy From its Christian Enemies

Takeaways Faith can provide an organizing center, meaning, and purpose in life. Gushee's journey of faith involved a conversion experience as a teenager and a broadening of perspectives through studying Christian ethics. Democracy is a system of government that belongs to the people and is based on a constitution and the rule of law. Authoritarianism poses a threat to democracy and can be fueled by religious or ideological beliefs. It is important to defend and uphold democratic principles, including free and fair elections, an independent judiciary, and the protection of individual rights. Support for democracy among Christians has eroded since the 1960s, leading to a sense of alienation and fear among conservative Christians. Conservative Christians perceive culture and politics as dominated by their enemies and feel oppressed, which has been exploited by political figures like Donald Trump. Identity-oriented politics and the rejection of pluralism are not aligned with the teachings of Christianity. The rise of authoritarianism in countries like Hungary and Russia follows a pattern of a once-dominant majority group feeling threatened by societal changes and mobilizing for action. Preserving the rules of democracy and the constitutional order is crucial to prevent further erosion of democratic values. Chapters Introduction and Background Gushee's Journey of Faith Broadening Perspectives Defending Democracy from Its Christian Enemies The Threat of Authoritarianism to Democracy The Erosion of Support for Democracy Among Christians The Rise of Authoritarianism and the Threat to Democracy Preserving Democracy and the Constitutional Order Links: www.DavidpGushee.com Buy His Latest Book [ click here ] Support Links: Square 2 Course from Quoir [ click here ] Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E39: David Gushee: Defending Democracy From its Christian Enemies

S3 E39: David Gushee: Defending Democracy From its Christian Enemies

Takeaways Faith can provide an organizing center, meaning, and purpose in life. Gushee's journey of faith involved a conversion experience as a teenager and a broadening of perspectives through studying Christian ethics. Democracy is a system of government that belongs to the people and is based on a constitution and the rule of law. Authoritarianism poses a threat to democracy and can be fueled by religious or ideological beliefs. It is important to defend and uphold democratic principles, including free and fair elections, an independent judiciary, and the protection of individual rights. Support for democracy among Christians has eroded since the 1960s, leading to a sense of alienation and fear among conservative Christians. Conservative Christians perceive culture and politics as dominated by their enemies and feel oppressed, which has been exploited by political figures like Donald Trump. Identity-oriented politics and the rejection of pluralism are not aligned with the teachings of Christianity. The rise of authoritarianism in countries like Hungary and Russia follows a pattern of a once-dominant majority group feeling threatened by societal changes and mobilizing for action. Preserving the rules of democracy and the constitutional order is crucial to prevent further erosion of democratic values. Chapters Introduction and Background Gushee's Journey of Faith Broadening Perspectives Defending Democracy from Its Christian Enemies The Threat of Authoritarianism to Democracy The Erosion of Support for Democracy Among Christians The Rise of Authoritarianism and the Threat to Democracy Preserving Democracy and the Constitutional Order Links: www.DavidpGushee.com Buy His Latest Book [ click here ] Support Links: Square 2 Course from Quoir [ click here ] Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

139: Matt Tebbe: Reimagining God Beyond Empire Economics Pt 2 of 2

139: Matt Tebbe: Reimagining God Beyond Empire Economics Pt 2 of 2

Being in nature and facing challenges is vital. Community support is essential during difficult times. Toxic positivity denies reality; genuine hope acknowledges pain. Pastors often feel powerless in a chaotic world. The need for pastoral care is mutual between pastor and congregation. Navigating political issues in ministry is complex. Moral choices in politics often feel inconsistent. Christian nationalism poses a significant challenge to faith. Capitalism influences our understanding of God. We must imagine God beyond economic systems. Self-interest governs the market, but it conflicts with the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God operates on grace, not merit. Christianity has been co-opted by capitalism in America. The Enlightenment shifted God from the material to the immaterial. Debt relief is a biblical principle that many Christians overlook. Christian nationalism often distorts the true message of the Gospel. Freedom and supremacy are often conflated in religious contexts. Naming systemic issues is crucial for spiritual growth. Experiments against mammon can lead to meaningful change. Community practices can reclaim time and challenge capitalist norms. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

84: Bruce Epperly: Homegrown American Mystics

84: Bruce Epperly: Homegrown American Mystics

Takeaways Mystics experience the divine in everyday life and see the holiness in others. Mystics can be both heavenly minded and earthly good, working for peace, justice, and the well-being of all people. Political discourse should involve empathy, understanding, and dialogue, rather than demonization and polarization. Finding common ground and holding space for different perspectives is essential for progress and positive change. Mystics challenge the status quo and work towards a more inclusive and compassionate society. Love and understanding are essential in our interactions with others. Practicing gratitude and mindfulness can bring peace and fulfillment to our lives. Embracing the past and working towards healing and justice is important for personal and societal growth. Mysticism can guide our actions and inspire us to make a positive impact in the world. Living with intention, compassion, and a sense of responsibility can lead to a more meaningful and fulfilling life. Chapters Introduction and Discussion of British Mystery Shows Defining Mysticism and its Connection to Everyday Life Expanding the Understanding of Mystics and their Role in Society The Importance of Empathy and Dialogue in Political Discourse Mystics as Agents of Change and the Need for a Broader Perspective The Challenge of Loving Your Enemies and Working for Positive Political Change The Power of Love and Understanding Embracing the Past and Working Towards Healing Living with Intention and Compassion The Role of Mysticism in Guiding Our Actions Links: https://www.drbruceepperly.com/ Buy his book: [ click here ] Support Links Quoir Square 2 Class and Community [ click here ] Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E40: Bruce Epperly: Homegrown American Mystics

S3 E40: Bruce Epperly: Homegrown American Mystics

Takeaways Mystics experience the divine in everyday life and see the holiness in others. Mystics can be both heavenly minded and earthly good, working for peace, justice, and the well-being of all people. Political discourse should involve empathy, understanding, and dialogue, rather than demonization and polarization. Finding common ground and holding space for different perspectives is essential for progress and positive change. Mystics challenge the status quo and work towards a more inclusive and compassionate society. Love and understanding are essential in our interactions with others. Practicing gratitude and mindfulness can bring peace and fulfillment to our lives. Embracing the past and working towards healing and justice is important for personal and societal growth. Mysticism can guide our actions and inspire us to make a positive impact in the world. Living with intention, compassion, and a sense of responsibility can lead to a more meaningful and fulfilling life. Chapters Introduction and Discussion of British Mystery Shows Defining Mysticism and its Connection to Everyday Life Expanding the Understanding of Mystics and their Role in Society The Importance of Empathy and Dialogue in Political Discourse Mystics as Agents of Change and the Need for a Broader Perspective The Challenge of Loving Your Enemies and Working for Positive Political Change The Power of Love and Understanding Embracing the Past and Working Towards Healing Living with Intention and Compassion The Role of Mysticism in Guiding Our Actions Links: https://www.drbruceepperly.com/ Buy his book: [ click here ] Support Links Quoir Square 2 Class and Community [ click here ] Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

140: Anthony Smith: This Ain't Revival

140: Anthony Smith: This Ain't Revival

Chapters Navigating Change: Personal and Professional Transitions The Political Landscape: Insights from Local Governance Reimagining God: Contrasting Views in Christianity The Kingdom of God: Understanding Its True Nature Revival or Division? The Current State of Christianity The Echoes of McCarthyism Awakening from Christian Nationalism The Cruelty of Reality The Cost of Austerity Revival and Reversal of Power Grassroots Hope and Community Building Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

89: Danny Cox: Making Inclusive Faith Spaces

89: Danny Cox: Making Inclusive Faith Spaces

Takeaways Transparency and clarity are essential in church communities, particularly when it comes to issues like LGBTQ inclusion. Churches should clearly communicate their theological stance and actively work towards creating an inclusive and welcoming environment for all. The concept of covenantal relationships, where individuals are bound together in a covenant of community, allows for diversity of theology while maintaining a sense of unity. Churches should prioritize open and honest conversations, embracing the mystery and wonder of God rather than trying to control or limit understanding. Pastors should focus on meeting the spiritual needs of their community and creating spaces for diverse spiritual exploration and community. Shifting from winning people to walking with them allows for a more authentic and compassionate approach to relationships. Questioning and letting go of beliefs, such as eternal conscious torment, can lead to a deeper understanding of God's love and grace. Creating spaces of love and service, like the Open Table Collective, allows for the inclusion and support of diverse individuals and communities. Living in liminal spaces, embracing change and uncertainty, can lead to personal growth and a deeper connection with the divine. Practicing spiritual disciplines, such as prayer and silence, can help cultivate awareness of God's presence in everyday life. Chapters: Introduction and Background Challenges within the Evangelical Church The Power of Covenantal Relationships Leaving the Pastoral Realm and Starting Open Table Collective From Winning People to Walking with Them Creating Spaces of Love and Service Living in Liminal Spaces Practicing Spiritual Disciplines Links: https://www.theopentablecollective.com/about-us https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-open-table-collective-podcast/id1667876129 Support Links: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction?coupon=LIMINAL Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E41: Danny Cox: Making Inclusive Faith Spaces

S3 E41: Danny Cox: Making Inclusive Faith Spaces

Takeaways Transparency and clarity are essential in church communities, particularly when it comes to issues like LGBTQ inclusion. Churches should clearly communicate their theological stance and actively work towards creating an inclusive and welcoming environment for all. The concept of covenantal relationships, where individuals are bound together in a covenant of community, allows for diversity of theology while maintaining a sense of unity. Churches should prioritize open and honest conversations, embracing the mystery and wonder of God rather than trying to control or limit understanding. Pastors should focus on meeting the spiritual needs of their community and creating spaces for diverse spiritual exploration and community. Shifting from winning people to walking with them allows for a more authentic and compassionate approach to relationships. Questioning and letting go of beliefs, such as eternal conscious torment, can lead to a deeper understanding of God's love and grace. Creating spaces of love and service, like the Open Table Collective, allows for the inclusion and support of diverse individuals and communities. Living in liminal spaces, embracing change and uncertainty, can lead to personal growth and a deeper connection with the divine. Practicing spiritual disciplines, such as prayer and silence, can help cultivate awareness of God's presence in everyday life. Chapters: Introduction and Background Challenges within the Evangelical Church The Power of Covenantal Relationships Leaving the Pastoral Realm and Starting Open Table Collective From Winning People to Walking with Them Creating Spaces of Love and Service Living in Liminal Spaces Practicing Spiritual Disciplines Links: https://www.theopentablecollective.com/about-us https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-open-table-collective-podcast/id1667876129 Support Links: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction?coupon=LIMINAL Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

141: Andrew M Davis: Cosmological Humility, Living Between Science and Spirit

141: Andrew M Davis: Cosmological Humility, Living Between Science and Spirit

takeaways Philosophy begins in wonder and should cultivate it. The universe is not disenchanted; it is full of wonder. Science and spirituality can coexist and enrich each other. Values are perceived through our consciousness and are objective. Art and poetry play a crucial role in understanding reality. Experiences of enchantment can be reintroduced into our lives. The journey of understanding death can be transformative. The integration of science and faith requires humility. Objective values exist but must be understood in context. Practices like meditation and storytelling can enhance our sense of wonder. Chapters Introduction and Context of Wonder The Journey of Deconstruction and Re-enchantment Integrating Science and Spirituality The Nature of Spirit and Consciousness The Renaissance of Panpsychism Reconnecting Spirit and Matter Indigenous Worldviews and Colonial Perspectives The Limitations of Language and Dogma Art, Poetry, and the Enchantment of Science Experiencing the Enchantment of Life The Interplay of Subjective and Objective Values Practices for Embracing Enchantment Links Course: https://www.whiteheadsuniverse.com/ Web: https://www.andrewmdavis.info/ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

86: Matt Tebbe: Politics as Christian Practice

86: Matt Tebbe: Politics as Christian Practice

takeaways The current political and cultural moment in the United States is characterized by the erosion of trust in democracy and the weaponization of fear and anger. Apocalyptic language is used in political discourse to create a sense of urgency and to rally support, but it often hinders productive conversations and solutions. Economic realities, such as rising prices and income inequality, are often blamed on political leaders, but the underlying problems are complex and require systemic changes. The current economic system is profit-centered, prioritizing growth and wealth accumulation over human flourishing. This has led to the exploitation of resources and the neglect of social services. Building a more egalitarian and pluralistic society requires a shift in values, prioritizing love, faith, and truth over domination, coercion, and control. Evaluate economic policies based on their impact on real people's lives Pastors can address political issues from the pulpit while maintaining the separation of church and state Being politically engaged is a responsibility as a Christian Take care of yourself and pay attention to your body's response to fear and anxiety Hold onto truth and challenge misinformation Be open to change and willing to repent Chapters Introduction and Recap New Beginnings and Church Expansion Interpreting the Political Cultural Moment The Weaponization of Fear and Anger The Impact of Apocalyptic Language Blaming Economic Realities on Political Leaders The Profit-Centered Economic System Shifting Values for a More Egalitarian Society The Impact of Economic Policies The Role of Pastors in Addressing Politics Being Politically Engaged as a Christian Taking Care of Yourself in a Politically Charged Environment Holding onto Truth and Challenging Misinformation Links: https://gravitycommons.com/matt-tebbe/ https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gravity-leadership-podcast/id1356585852 Support Links https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction?coupon=LIMINAL Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E42: Matt Tebbe: Politics as Christian Practice

S3 E42: Matt Tebbe: Politics as Christian Practice

takeaways The current political and cultural moment in the United States is characterized by the erosion of trust in democracy and the weaponization of fear and anger. Apocalyptic language is used in political discourse to create a sense of urgency and to rally support, but it often hinders productive conversations and solutions. Economic realities, such as rising prices and income inequality, are often blamed on political leaders, but the underlying problems are complex and require systemic changes. The current economic system is profit-centered, prioritizing growth and wealth accumulation over human flourishing. This has led to the exploitation of resources and the neglect of social services. Building a more egalitarian and pluralistic society requires a shift in values, prioritizing love, faith, and truth over domination, coercion, and control. Evaluate economic policies based on their impact on real people's lives Pastors can address political issues from the pulpit while maintaining the separation of church and state Being politically engaged is a responsibility as a Christian Take care of yourself and pay attention to your body's response to fear and anxiety Hold onto truth and challenge misinformation Be open to change and willing to repent Chapters Introduction and Recap New Beginnings and Church Expansion Interpreting the Political Cultural Moment The Weaponization of Fear and Anger The Impact of Apocalyptic Language Blaming Economic Realities on Political Leaders The Profit-Centered Economic System Shifting Values for a More Egalitarian Society The Impact of Economic Policies The Role of Pastors in Addressing Politics Being Politically Engaged as a Christian Taking Care of Yourself in a Politically Charged Environment Holding onto Truth and Challenging Misinformation Links: https://gravitycommons.com/matt-tebbe/ https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gravity-leadership-podcast/id1356585852 Support Links https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction?coupon=LIMINAL Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

142: Thomas Jay Oord: Why Prayer "Doesn't Work." Re-enchanting the World

142: Thomas Jay Oord: Why Prayer "Doesn't Work." Re-enchanting the World

Deconstruction is a journey many are experiencing. The dichotomy of natural and supernatural is outdated. Prayer should be seen as cooperation with God. God's omnipotence is often misunderstood. Selective miracles create distrust in God. Enchantment in the world is often overlooked. Philosophy and theology should work together. Resurrection narratives can be reinterpreted. Life after death may involve continued subjective experience. Trust in God can be rebuilt through understanding God's nature. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

82: Caleb Campbell: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbors

82: Caleb Campbell: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbors

Takeaways Caleb's upbringing in a conservative home shaped his early views on faith. His experience with neo-Nazi skinheads led to critical questioning of ideologies. The rise of American Christian nationalism has created a divide in churches. Many church members are influenced by external political narratives. Christian nationalism is a blend of political ideology, tribal identity, and spiritual idolatry. The decline of trust in the church is linked to political affiliations. Engaging in conversations requires self-reflection and emotional health. Flipping tables is sometimes necessary, but setting tables is more common. True change happens at the heart level, not through confrontation. Hope can be found in the faith of global Christian communities.\ Chapters Introduction and Symbolism of the Leviathan Sticker Caleb's Journey: From Conservative Roots to Pastoral Leadership The Impact of 2016-2020 on Faith and Community Understanding American Christian Nationalism The Identity Crisis within American Christian Nationalism The Decline of Trust in the Church Navigating Conversations Across Political Divides Flipping Tables vs. Setting Tables: A Call to Action Finding Hope Amidst Chaos Links: https://www.ivpress.com/disarming-leviathan https://www.disarmingleviathan.com/ Support Links: Quoir Square 2 Class and Community [ click here ] Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E43: Caleb Campbell: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbors

S3 E43: Caleb Campbell: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbors

Takeaways Caleb's upbringing in a conservative home shaped his early views on faith. His experience with neo-Nazi skinheads led to critical questioning of ideologies. The rise of American Christian nationalism has created a divide in churches. Many church members are influenced by external political narratives. Christian nationalism is a blend of political ideology, tribal identity, and spiritual idolatry. The decline of trust in the church is linked to political affiliations. Engaging in conversations requires self-reflection and emotional health. Flipping tables is sometimes necessary, but setting tables is more common. True change happens at the heart level, not through confrontation. Hope can be found in the faith of global Christian communities.\ Chapters Introduction and Symbolism of the Leviathan Sticker Caleb's Journey: From Conservative Roots to Pastoral Leadership The Impact of 2016-2020 on Faith and Community Understanding American Christian Nationalism The Identity Crisis within American Christian Nationalism The Decline of Trust in the Church Navigating Conversations Across Political Divides Flipping Tables vs. Setting Tables: A Call to Action Finding Hope Amidst Chaos Links: https://www.ivpress.com/disarming-leviathan https://www.disarmingleviathan.com/ Support Links: Quoir Square 2 Class and Community [ click here ] Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

143: Chad Bahl: Beyond the Pitchfork: A Process Relational View of Demonic Evil

143: Chad Bahl: Beyond the Pitchfork: A Process Relational View of Demonic Evil

takeaways If a good God exists, why does suffering occur? We often attribute suffering to a greater good. The mystery of God's plan can be hard to understand. Tragedies like cancer and war challenge our beliefs. Supernaturalism becomes problematic when faced with evil. The death of children raises profound questions about faith. World events like the Holocaust complicate the narrative of a good God. Understanding suffering requires deep philosophical inquiry. Faith can be tested by the realities of life. The conversation highlights the struggle between belief and evidence. Links: Book: [ Click Here ] Article: [ Beyond the Pitchfork ] Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

88: Tommy Preson Phillips: Leaving the Church and Looking for Christ

88: Tommy Preson Phillips: Leaving the Church and Looking for Christ

Take Away Ideas Deconstruction isnt about losing faith, but about re-centering on Jesus. Doubt and curiosity are essential tools in questioning rigid religious structures. The power dynamics of church leadership need reevaluation; Christ-like leadership centers on humility and service. The shift from religious laws to virtues (like love, peace, and self-control) is essential for spiritual growth. The church should create space for dialogue, shared meals, and mutual support to foster genuine community. People are drawn to authenticityleaders who admit their doubts and embrace communal wisdom. Introduction: Tommy is introduced as a musician and pastor with a love for art and church life. He shares about his background growing up in a Southern Baptist family, his love for music, and the early influence of church culture. Journey into Ministry: Tommy discusses how he found himself leading a church in his early 20s, dealing with church scandals, and eventually growing his congregation into a space for those questioning faith. Deconstruction and Rebuilding: Tommy explains his personal deconstruction process, including moments of doubt and skepticism. He talks about how his church evolved after leaving a traditional evangelical denomination. Church Growth and New Models: The conversation turns to how Watermark Church functions as a community for both deconstructing Christians and new believers, focusing on shared meals, dialogue, and Christ-like leadership. Power, Capitalism, and Faith: Tommy critiques the influence of power and capitalism on modern church structures, contrasting this with the teachings of Jesus, and emphasizing the need for a "cross-shaped" leadership model. The Role of Doubt and Curiosity: Tommy highlights how doubt and curiosity are vital for spiritual growth, encouraging open questioning of scripture and long-held beliefs. The Future of the Church: The episode ends with a discussion on the future of the church, Tommy's optimism about the current shifts in faith communities, and his belief that God's work is revealed in moments of upheaval. Links: Book: https://www.zondervan.com/p/invisible-jesus/ Music: https://presonphillips.bandcamp.com/ Watermark Church: Watermark Church Website Substack: https://tommypresonphillips.substack.com Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E44: Tommy Preson Phillips: Leaving the Church and Looking for Christ

S3 E44: Tommy Preson Phillips: Leaving the Church and Looking for Christ

Take Away Ideas Deconstruction isn’t about losing faith, but about re-centering on Jesus. Doubt and curiosity are essential tools in questioning rigid religious structures. The power dynamics of church leadership need reevaluation; Christ-like leadership centers on humility and service. The shift from religious laws to virtues (like love, peace, and self-control) is essential for spiritual growth. The church should create space for dialogue, shared meals, and mutual support to foster genuine community. People are drawn to authenticity—leaders who admit their doubts and embrace communal wisdom. Introduction: Tommy is introduced as a musician and pastor with a love for art and church life. He shares about his background growing up in a Southern Baptist family, his love for music, and the early influence of church culture. Journey into Ministry: Tommy discusses how he found himself leading a church in his early 20s, dealing with church scandals, and eventually growing his congregation into a space for those questioning faith. Deconstruction and Rebuilding: Tommy explains his personal deconstruction process, including moments of doubt and skepticism. He talks about how his church evolved after leaving a traditional evangelical denomination. Church Growth and New Models: The conversation turns to how Watermark Church functions as a community for both deconstructing Christians and new believers, focusing on shared meals, dialogue, and Christ-like leadership. Power, Capitalism, and Faith: Tommy critiques the influence of power and capitalism on modern church structures, contrasting this with the teachings of Jesus, and emphasizing the need for a "cross-shaped" leadership model. The Role of Doubt and Curiosity: Tommy highlights how doubt and curiosity are vital for spiritual growth, encouraging open questioning of scripture and long-held beliefs. The Future of the Church: The episode ends with a discussion on the future of the church, Tommy's optimism about the current shifts in faith communities, and his belief that God's work is revealed in moments of upheaval. Links: Book: https://www.zondervan.com/p/invisible-jesus/ Music: https://presonphillips.bandcamp.com/ Watermark Church: Watermark Church Website Substack: https://tommypresonphillips.substack.com Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

144: Kathy Khang: You Made it Weird, When Faith Divorces from Life

144: Kathy Khang: You Made it Weird, When Faith Divorces from Life

In this engaging conversation, Tom Rundel and Kathy Khang explore the complexities of faith, deconstruction, and the journey towards reimagining spirituality in a modern context. They discuss the importance of love, community, and the challenges of navigating conversations with differing perspectives. Kathy shares her insights on embodied theology, the significance of human connection, and the need for authenticity in faith practices. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of acknowledging past mistakes, trusting one's voice, and finding magic in everyday moments, ultimately advocating for a more compassionate and human-centered approach to spirituality. takeaways Kathy emphasizes the importance of love in understanding God. Navigating tensions between love and anger is crucial in today's world. Conversations with differing perspectives require discernment and good faith. Embodied theology connects faith with physical experiences. Authenticity in faith practices is a challenge for many. Human connection is vital in moments of grief and loss. Language shapes our faith and community interactions. Trusting our voices requires acknowledging past mistakes. Making peace with our past is essential for growth. Finding magic in everyday moments enriches our spiritual journey. Chapters 00:00 Welcome Back and Coffee Conversations 03:03 Deconstructing Faith and Reimagining God 06:01 Living in Tension: Love and Anger 09:10 Navigating Conversations with Different Perspectives 11:50 Embodied Theology: Experiencing God in the Physical World 15:02 Reconnecting with Humanity and Faith 17:58 The Challenge of Authenticity in Faith 20:49 Human Connection in Grief and Loss 23:59 The Role of Language in Faith and Community 27:03 Trusting Our Voices in a Changing Landscape 30:14 Making Peace with Our Past 33:01The Journey of Transformation and Mistakes 36:01 Finding Magic in Everyday Moments 38:57 The Power of Presence and Community 41:47 Navigating the Complexity of Faith and Identity 45:02 Final Thoughts on Faith and Humanity Links: Kathy's Books { Click Here ] web: http://www.kathykhang.com/ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

92: Cassidy Hall: Queering Contemplation

92: Cassidy Hall: Queering Contemplation

takeaways Hiking the Camino was a transformative spiritual experience. Reflecting on life in three-month segments helps maintain focus. Faith was a spacious concept in Cassidy's upbringing. Questions about existence began at a young age for Cassidy. Deconstruction of faith can lead to deeper self-understanding. Thomas Merton's writings opened new avenues of contemplation. Queering contemplation invites a broader understanding of spirituality. Engaging with political issues is crucial for community support. Hope can be found in the innocence of children. Silence holds infinite possibilities for personal growth. Chapters Introduction and Background Stories The Camino Experience: A Spiritual Journey Reflections on Life and Time Management Faith and Spirituality: Early Influences The Journey of Deconstruction Thomas Merton: Influence and Impact Queering Contemplation: A New Perspective Engaging with Political Polarities Finding Hope in Local Connections Silence and Its Infinite Possibilities Liminality and Queerness: Embracing Uncertainty Links: Connect with Cassidy: https://cassidyhall.com/ Buy her Book: [ click here ] Listen to her Podcast: [ click here ] Watch Her Merton Film: https://www.dayofastranger.com/ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E45: Cassidy Hall: Queering Contemplation

S3 E45: Cassidy Hall: Queering Contemplation

takeaways Hiking the Camino was a transformative spiritual experience. Reflecting on life in three-month segments helps maintain focus. Faith was a spacious concept in Cassidy's upbringing. Questions about existence began at a young age for Cassidy. Deconstruction of faith can lead to deeper self-understanding. Thomas Merton's writings opened new avenues of contemplation. Queering contemplation invites a broader understanding of spirituality. Engaging with political issues is crucial for community support. Hope can be found in the innocence of children. Silence holds infinite possibilities for personal growth. Chapters Introduction and Background Stories The Camino Experience: A Spiritual Journey Reflections on Life and Time Management Faith and Spirituality: Early Influences The Journey of Deconstruction Thomas Merton: Influence and Impact Queering Contemplation: A New Perspective Engaging with Political Polarities Finding Hope in Local Connections Silence and Its Infinite Possibilities Liminality and Queerness: Embracing Uncertainty Links: Connect with Cassidy: https://cassidyhall.com/ Buy her Book: [ click here ] Listen to her Podcast: [ click here ] Watch Her Merton Film: https://www.dayofastranger.com/ Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

145: Bruce Epperly: Process, Peace, and the Planet. Healing the World

145: Bruce Epperly: Process, Peace, and the Planet. Healing the World

In this episode of Liminal Living , Tom Rundel welcomes theologian and author Bruce Epperly back for his third appearance to discuss his new book, Healing the World: Whitehead, Francis, Clare, and Bonaventure on Spiritual and Planetary Transformation. Their conversation flows through themes of hope, mysticism, process theology, and spiritual imagination in a world in need of healing. They explore how Francis of Assisi, Clare, and Bonaventure embodied a spirituality of simplicity and interconnection that can inspire todays efforts toward peace, ecological care, and compassionate living. Bruce also shares insights from Alfred North Whiteheads process philosophy , drawing connections between divine immanence and the living presence of God within creation. From stories of pilgrimage in Ireland to reflections on hope amid political despair , the conversation invites listeners to see each moment as sacred, each small act as part of healing the moral and spiritual fabric of the world. Chapters Pilgrimage and Peace in Ireland Bruce recounts his trip with Gareth Higgins and Diana Butler Bass, exploring lessons from Northern Irelands peacemaking for todays polarized world. Hope Beyond Despair Discussing the moral arc of history, Jeremiahs field, and faith in uncertain times. The Inspiration for Healing the World How synchronicity, Whitehead, and Francis converged in Bruces creative and theological journey. Francis, Clare, and Bonaventure Mini-biographies and their radical simplicity, feminism, philosophy, and spiritual clarity. Process Theology and Mysticism The union of Whiteheads philosophy with Franciscan spirituality; God as immanent, relational, and present in all things. Reimagining Prayer and Presence Tom shares a personal story about reframing prayer and blessing through a process-oriented, Celtic lens. Healing vs. Curing the World Bruces distinction between transformation and domination; hope through faithful small acts. The Song That Cannot Be Taken Away Franciss joy on his deathbed and the spiritual defiance of singing amid darkness. Prophetic Healing and Hope Speaking truth with compassion, judgment as healing, and love as resistance. Invitation to Participate Bruce encourages listeners to join the movement of healing through group study, contemplation, and daily acts of love. Takeaways Hope is active its buying a field for a future you may never see. Healing begins in small acts ; the world changes one moment at a time. Francis and Clare broke boundaries between rich and poor, male and female, human and non-human. God is not distant or supernatural but interwoven through all of creation. Prayer is not about summoning God but awakening awareness of divine presence already within the moment. True spirituality bridges barriers between people, faiths, and even species. Prophetic healing names injustice while seeking reconciliation, not destruction. Music and joy are sacred resistance against fear and despair. Each person contributes to the ongoing creation through small faithful actions aligned with love. Links web: https://www.drbruceepperly.com/ Book: Healing the World: Whitehead, Francis, Clare, Bonaventure Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

90: Bradley Jersak: Nonviolent Atonement

90: Bradley Jersak: Nonviolent Atonement

Takeaways Bradley Jersak emphasizes the importance of community in spiritual growth. He reflects on the trauma experienced within his faith journey. The problem of evil is a significant challenge for many believers. Jersak advocates for a nonviolent interpretation of atonement. He believes the cross represents God's love rather than divine violence. The intersection of goodness and suffering is a central theme in his theology. Jersak highlights the need for healing and recovery in faith communities. He discusses the importance of acknowledging complicity in societal issues. The conversation calls for bridge-building across ideological divides. Jersak's work at St. Stephen's University focuses on peace and reconciliation. We are training bridge builders for reconciliation. The exhaustion from political entanglement may lead to healing. Fear of existential crises leads to doubling down on beliefs. Deconstruction should not lead to spiritual arson. Religion gestures towards a greater mystery. The incarnation should not justify Christian supremacy. God's wrath is not violent anger but self-giving love. Consequences of turning from love are often called wrath. Retribution is a dangerous concept in faith. Faith in violence undermines the teachings of Jesus. Links: Author page [ click here ] Amazon Book Link [ click here ] St Stevens University link [ click here ] Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E45: Bradley Jersak: Nonviolent Atonement

S3 E45: Bradley Jersak: Nonviolent Atonement

Takeaways Bradley Jersak emphasizes the importance of community in spiritual growth. He reflects on the trauma experienced within his faith journey. The problem of evil is a significant challenge for many believers. Jersak advocates for a nonviolent interpretation of atonement. He believes the cross represents God's love rather than divine violence. The intersection of goodness and suffering is a central theme in his theology. Jersak highlights the need for healing and recovery in faith communities. He discusses the importance of acknowledging complicity in societal issues. The conversation calls for bridge-building across ideological divides. Jersak's work at St. Stephen's University focuses on peace and reconciliation. We are training bridge builders for reconciliation. The exhaustion from political entanglement may lead to healing. Fear of existential crises leads to doubling down on beliefs. Deconstruction should not lead to spiritual arson. Religion gestures towards a greater mystery. The incarnation should not justify Christian supremacy. God's wrath is not violent anger but self-giving love. Consequences of turning from love are often called wrath. Retribution is a dangerous concept in faith. Faith in violence undermines the teachings of Jesus. Links: Author page [ click here ] Amazon Book Link [ click here ] St Stevens University link [ click here ] Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

146: Tom Rundel: God is Not an Idea

146: Tom Rundel: God is Not an Idea

In this episode, Tom Rundel explores the meaning of Christ the King Sunday, the conclusion of the liturgical year, and uses Psalm 46 to challenge the common Western tendency to treat God as a mere idea rather than an embodied reality. Rundel unpacks the Psalmists imageryrefuge, river, stillnessto point listeners toward a faith that is lived, practiced, and experienced in the body, not simply thought in the mind. He contrasts the biblical embodied pathway of spiritual trust with the modern habit of spiritual bypassing, urging listeners to regulate their nervous systems not with ideas but with grounding practices, presence, and embodied trust. In a world that feels like it is shaking, this episode reframes stillness as a revolutionary act of faith. Key Takeaway Moments Liturgical time shapes us: The liturgical calendar exists to form us, not to reflect our preferences or current news cycles. Christ the King Sunday was created to resist nationalism: Pope Pius XI introduced it in 1925 in response to rising secularism, nationalism, and authoritarianism after World War I. Psalm 46 is embodied, not abstract: God as refuge is comparable to a life-saving oasis in an actual desertnot an inspirational concept but a physical experience. Ideas alone cannot calm the nervous system: Overthinking spiritual truths cannot regulate fear, anxiety, or overwhelm; we need embodied practices. God is encountered in the physical world: Walks in nature, shared meals, prayer, meditation, therapy, community, and rhythms of grounding connect us with divine presence. Be still = Stop it: The Hebrew phrase carries the tone of a sharp interruptionGod breaking into human anxiety, war, and inner conflict. Your identity is not your performance: We must detach our self-worth from opinions, productivity, and inner narratives. Divine life flows through reality like a river: God is woven into creations fabric, inviting us into steady presence rather than frantic striving. Stillness is not passivity but resistance: Trust is an active response that disrupts fear, violence, and dominationwithin society and within ourselves. Chapter Breakdown 1. The Liturgical Year and Christ the King Sunday Tom explains how the liturgical calendar shapes Christian reflection and why Christ the King Sunday was added in 1925 as a response to nationalism and authoritarianism. 2. Introducing Psalm 46 He situates the Psalm as an ancient song meant to be sung, full of poetic imagery that speaks to a trembling world. 3. God as Refuge More Than an Idea Tom describes the wilderness of the Sinai Peninsula and the oasis at En Gedi to illustrate that God as refuge was originally a lived survival experience, not an abstract thought. 4. Ideas vs. Embodied Faith He critiques Western Christianitys tendency to reduce faith to thoughts, arguing that nervous systems cannot be soothed by ideas alone. 5. Experiencing God Through the Body Tom highlights spiritual grounding practiceswalks, rest, prayer, therapy, worshipas places where divine presence is actually encountered. 6. The River of God Using imagery from ancient Egypt and Jerusalem, he shows how rivers symbolized life, stability, and divine presence in the midst of chaos. 7. Be Still as a Divine Intervention Tom reframes be still and know as God forcefully stopping human violence and inner chaosless gentle contemplation, more stop it. 8. The Inner War He identifies the internal battles of self-worth, anxiety, and fear, urging listeners to stop fueling the war through performance and self-criticism. 9. God Woven Into Reality He quotes Ilya Delio and others to describe divine life as flowing through the cosmos; faith becomes an embodied way of being. 10. Reflection & Practice Tom offers reflection questions and a spiritual practice for the week, ending with a poem titled Still Here by Paul A. Jones. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

91: Rob Bell on the Meaning of Everything

91: Rob Bell on the Meaning of Everything

takeaways The journey of life often involves navigating liminal spaces. Emotional transitions can be profound and transformative. Writing is a deeply personal and exploratory process. Names hold significant power in shaping identity. Self-definition is an essential part of personal growth. Grief can be processed in various ways, including observation. Self-awareness must be balanced with self-compassion. The present moment is all we truly have. Creative expression can lead to deeper self-understanding. Life's experiences shape our understanding of ourselves and others. Learning how we became us is essential for growth. Personal histories can illuminate patterns in our lives. Trauma is rooted in our cellular nervous system. Understanding our emotions can lead to healing. Anger can be navigated without harming others. Being human involves navigating highs and lows. Mythologies provide meaning in our lives. The political is an amalgamation of the personal. Art helps us transcend our pain. We can trust in new futures as old myths die. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E48: Rob Bell on the Meaning of Everything

S3 E48: Rob Bell on the Meaning of Everything

takeaways The journey of life often involves navigating liminal spaces. Emotional transitions can be profound and transformative. Writing is a deeply personal and exploratory process. Names hold significant power in shaping identity. Self-definition is an essential part of personal growth. Grief can be processed in various ways, including observation. Self-awareness must be balanced with self-compassion. The present moment is all we truly have. Creative expression can lead to deeper self-understanding. Life's experiences shape our understanding of ourselves and others. Learning how we became us is essential for growth. Personal histories can illuminate patterns in our lives. Trauma is rooted in our cellular nervous system. Understanding our emotions can lead to healing. Anger can be navigated without harming others. Being human involves navigating highs and lows. Mythologies provide meaning in our lives. The political is an amalgamation of the personal. Art helps us transcend our pain. We can trust in new futures as old myths die. Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

147: Tom Rundel: Toxic Positivity Vs Hope

147: Tom Rundel: Toxic Positivity Vs Hope

In this episode, Tom Rundel explores the concept of hope versus toxic positivity, particularly within the context of Advent and the Christian faith. He discusses how hope is often misunderstood as mere optimism or positivity, and instead argues that true hope involves acknowledging reality and potential, even in the face of despair. Rundel shares personal insights and experiences, emphasizing the importance of co-authoring a better future with God, rather than relying on clichd narratives. Takeaways The majority of our life is lived in liminal space. Hope is not a denial of reality but an awareness of it. Toxic positivity replaces reality with comforting narratives. True hope involves acknowledging both reality and potential. Bad theology insulates us from reality. Hope is born when the human spirit confronts despair. We are participants in God's unfolding future. Hope requires co-authoring a better future with God. Clichs are not true theology but can be comforting. Hope travels through despair to reach the other side. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

93: Mattie Jo Cowsert: Unraveling Evangelical Identity

93: Mattie Jo Cowsert: Unraveling Evangelical Identity

takeaways Mattie moved to New York City driven by a strong instinct. Growing up in Branson felt like living on a movie set. Her upbringing was wholesome but came with pressures. She recognizes the good and bad in her evangelical background. Stability in community provided comfort during her teenage years. Questioning beliefs began at a theater camp in New York. Evangelicalism often conflates knowing and believing. Love should not have an agenda in evangelism. The historical context of women in Christianity is often overlooked. Diversity in theater challenged her previous beliefs. The concept of divine love is often restricted by societal norms. Personal identity struggles can lead to questioning established beliefs. The pressure to conform to evangelical ideals can be overwhelming. Many truths taught in evangelicalism can be challenged and deconstructed. Faith should accommodate human growth and change. Questioning beliefs is a difficult but necessary process. Control within religious contexts often masquerades as love. Family support can play a crucial role in spiritual shifts. The future of Christianity may see a decline in conservative ideologies. Cultural factors contribute to the current political landscape. Links: Website: https://www.mattiejocowsert.com/ Book: Amazon Page Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E 49: Mattie Jo Cowsert: Unraveling Evangelical Identity

S3 E 49: Mattie Jo Cowsert: Unraveling Evangelical Identity

takeaways Mattie moved to New York City driven by a strong instinct. Growing up in Branson felt like living on a movie set. Her upbringing was wholesome but came with pressures. She recognizes the good and bad in her evangelical background. Stability in community provided comfort during her teenage years. Questioning beliefs began at a theater camp in New York. Evangelicalism often conflates knowing and believing. Love should not have an agenda in evangelism. The historical context of women in Christianity is often overlooked. Diversity in theater challenged her previous beliefs. The concept of divine love is often restricted by societal norms. Personal identity struggles can lead to questioning established beliefs. The pressure to conform to evangelical ideals can be overwhelming. Many truths taught in evangelicalism can be challenged and deconstructed. Faith should accommodate human growth and change. Questioning beliefs is a difficult but necessary process. Control within religious contexts often masquerades as love. Family support can play a crucial role in spiritual shifts. The future of Christianity may see a decline in conservative ideologies. Cultural factors contribute to the current political landscape. Links: Website: https://www.mattiejocowsert.com/ Book: Amazon Page Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

148: Tom Rundel: Joy is Not a Mood

148: Tom Rundel: Joy is Not a Mood

He contrasts joy with happiness, emphasizing that joy is a deeper, more resilient state that can coexist with sorrow and is not dependent on circumstances. The discussion also delves into the historical context of apartheid in South Africa and how Tutu's joyful spirit served as a powerful form of resistance against oppression. The conversation concludes with an invitation to meditate on joy and its significance in our lives. takeaways Advent is a preparation for the arrival of God into our lives. Joy is not an emotion but a resilient state of being. Happiness can be tied to brain chemicals like dopamine, but joy transcends that. Desmond Tutu exemplified joy in the face of oppression. Joy can coexist with sorrow and is rooted in reality. Repentance is about awakening to one's true self. Joy is a revolutionary force that cannot be governed. The fire of God is illuminating and cleansing, not punitive. Joy invites us to new beginnings and deeper connections. Meditating on joy can help us connect with our true selves. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

94: Scot McKnight: Doing Better Political Discipleship

94: Scot McKnight: Doing Better Political Discipleship

Scot expresses discouragement over the political alignment of evangelicals with Trump. The conversation highlights the importance of character in leadership. Young people are increasingly disillusioned with the church due to its political affiliations. Scot emphasizes the need for political discipleship in the church. The rise of authoritarianism is a concern for many Christians. Scot believes that America will survive political turmoil. The church should not be tied to any political party. There is a trend of rightist leaders being elected globally. Scot argues that the evangelical church has failed to teach political engagement. The need for reevaluation of political engagement is crucial for the church. Our devastation is an indicator of our discipleship. Christians can care at a completely different level. Politics is about compromise; dissent is necessary. We should dissent as Christians when policies harm the least of these. Pastors need to create a culture of political discipleship. The church must resist becoming an oppressive force. We need to model constructive political conversations in churches. The church's future may involve smaller congregations. Informed political engagement is crucial for the church. The church's political orientation should be shaped by allegiance to Jesus. Links: Amazon Book: https://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Jesus-Leaving-Church-Looking-ebook/dp/B0CW1MS88W Scot's Substack: https://scotmcknight.substack.com/ Scot's Author Page: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B001IQZDNO Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

S3 E50: Scot McKnight: Doing Better Political Discipleship

S3 E50: Scot McKnight: Doing Better Political Discipleship

Scot expresses discouragement over the political alignment of evangelicals with Trump. The conversation highlights the importance of character in leadership. Young people are increasingly disillusioned with the church due to its political affiliations. Scot emphasizes the need for political discipleship in the church. The rise of authoritarianism is a concern for many Christians. Scot believes that America will survive political turmoil. The church should not be tied to any political party. There is a trend of rightist leaders being elected globally. Scot argues that the evangelical church has failed to teach political engagement. The need for reevaluation of political engagement is crucial for the church. Our devastation is an indicator of our discipleship. Christians can care at a completely different level. Politics is about compromise; dissent is necessary. We should dissent as Christians when policies harm the least of these. Pastors need to create a culture of political discipleship. The church must resist becoming an oppressive force. We need to model constructive political conversations in churches. The church's future may involve smaller congregations. Informed political engagement is crucial for the church. The church's political orientation should be shaped by allegiance to Jesus. Links: Amazon Book: https://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Jesus-Leaving-Church-Looking-ebook/dp/B0CW1MS88W Scot's Substack: https://scotmcknight.substack.com/ Scot's Author Page: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B001IQZDNO Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

149: Tom Rundel: Peace is Not the Absence of Chaos

149: Tom Rundel: Peace is Not the Absence of Chaos

In this episode, Dr. Tom Rundel explores the themes of Advent, focusing on peace as a central concept. He reflects on personal experiences of chaos and stress, particularly during a planned power outage, and contrasts these with moments of genuine peace found in community service. The discussion delves into the nature of peace, emphasizing that it is not merely the absence of chaos but a powerful force that can disrupt unjust systems. The episode concludes with a reflection on expectations and how they can blind us to the peace that exists in our lives. takeaways Advent is a time for reflection on hope, joy, and peace. Peace is not just tranquility; it is a deeper state of being. Experiencing chaos can lead to a greater understanding of peace. Expectations can blind us to the peace present in our lives. True peace can disrupt unjust systems and promote liberation. Peace exists in every moment, regardless of circumstances. Breath meditation can help tap into inner peace. Community service can be a source of genuine peace. Peace is a generous contribution to the good of all. The world is not saved through force but by a change of consciousness. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

95: Leslie Nease: Free From Toxic Theology

95: Leslie Nease: Free From Toxic Theology

Leslie's childhood was marked by instability and a search for connection. She experienced a significant faith shift after a traumatic event involving her daughter. The journey of deconstruction led her to question long-held beliefs. Leslie emphasizes the importance of community and authenticity in faith. She learned to think critically and trust herself after leaving the church. The fear-based teachings of her past created anxiety and isolation. Leslie's experiences on Survivor China opened her eyes to diverse perspectives. She began to research and question the teachings she was raised with. The shift from destination-focused faith to journey-oriented spirituality was profound. Leslie aims to support others in their journeys of faith and self-discovery. I don't believe in hell anymore. I'm not turning my back on my Christianity. God is love. Discipline is for rehabilitation, not punishment. You don't have to do anything you're not ready to do. I was taught I was disgusting and unlovable. We've been putting the blame on everything else for so long. The kingdom of God is already here and it's in you. You can't take somebody someplace they're not ready to go. Honoring the journey looks different for both of us. Links Podcast: https://honoring-the-journey.simplecast.com/ Book: [ Click Here ] Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Leslie Nease: Free From Toxic Theology

Leslie Nease: Free From Toxic Theology

Leslie's childhood was marked by instability and a search for connection. She experienced a significant faith shift after a traumatic event involving her daughter. The journey of deconstruction led her to question long-held beliefs. Leslie emphasizes the importance of community and authenticity in faith. She learned to think critically and trust herself after leaving the church. The fear-based teachings of her past created anxiety and isolation. Leslie's experiences on Survivor China opened her eyes to diverse perspectives. She began to research and question the teachings she was raised with. The shift from destination-focused faith to journey-oriented spirituality was profound. Leslie aims to support others in their journeys of faith and self-discovery. I don't believe in hell anymore. I'm not turning my back on my Christianity. God is love. Discipline is for rehabilitation, not punishment. You don't have to do anything you're not ready to do. I was taught I was disgusting and unlovable. We've been putting the blame on everything else for so long. The kingdom of God is already here and it's in you. You can't take somebody someplace they're not ready to go. Honoring the journey looks different for both of us. Links Podcast: https://honoring-the-journey.simplecast.com/ Book: [ Click Here ] Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

150: Tom Rundel: Love is Not Sentiment

150: Tom Rundel: Love is Not Sentiment

This reflection explores love as a disruptive, risky, and compassionate force revealed in the Advent story of Joseph and Mary. Rather than portraying love as perfection or rule-following, it shows how imperfect lovechoosing mercy over fear and presence over withdrawalis enough to bring God into the world. Josephs decision to stay, despite uncertainty and social risk, reframes righteousness as compassion and justice as mercy, inviting listeners to see love as embodied courage in liminal, in-between spaces. Chapter Breakdown Liminal Space and Advent Love Life is lived in in-between spaces where transformation and possibility emerge; Advent highlights love within this liminality. The Disruption of the Virgin Birth God breaks patriarchal and monarchical expectations by entering the world quietly, without coercion or male control. Josephs Imperfect Love Joseph follows the law yet chooses mercy, redefining righteousness as compassion rather than strict rule-keeping. Love Resists Sanctioned Violence Love stands against violence even when that violence is justified by religion or law. God Interrupts Closed Systems Through dreams and divine invitation, God opens new possibilities beyond fear-driven decisions. Love Must Be Embodied Love is not an idea or doctrine but something lived out through risky, faithful action. Risky Fidelity Over Safe Withdrawal Joseph chooses to stay and grow through love rather than escape discomfort. Reflection and Practice Listeners are invited into self-examination and imaginative prayer to embody love in their own lives. Key Takeaways Love often arrives as disruption, not certainty Imperfect love is still enough to bring God into the world Righteousness is compassion, not mere rule-following Justice and mercy are inseparable Love resists fear-driven withdrawal God opens new possibilities when systems feel closed Love grows when fear is faced rather than avoided Staying present can be a holy, transformative act Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

96: Blair Coyle: Escaping Evangelical Indoctrination

96: Blair Coyle: Escaping Evangelical Indoctrination

takeaways Catching the Northern Lights was a long-awaited dream. Growing up in evangelical communities shaped my worldview. Fear-based teachings can lead to obsessive faith practices. Experiencing spiritual abuse can lead to complex PTSD. Questioning beliefs is a crucial part of personal growth. YWAM provided both community and indoctrination. Different theological perspectives can expand understanding. The journey of deconstruction is often painful but necessary. Finding supportive communities is essential for healing. Books and podcasts can be valuable resources for exploration. Listening and taking a lot of input and learning is crucial. Music can reflect the struggle of faith and personal growth. There is a narrative of death and resurrection in belief systems. Finding grounding in new perspectives can lead to freedom. Community can provide stability but can also become cult-like. It's important to navigate the balance between individuality and community. Influences from music and thinkers can guide personal journeys. Spiritual practices like meditation can aid in personal growth. Beliefs can evolve beyond traditional dogmas. Authenticity in spirituality is a continuous journey. Links: https://www.blaircoylemusic.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@blaircoylemusic Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Blair Coyle: Escaping Evangelical Indoctrination

Blair Coyle: Escaping Evangelical Indoctrination

takeaways Catching the Northern Lights was a long-awaited dream. Growing up in evangelical communities shaped my worldview. Fear-based teachings can lead to obsessive faith practices. Experiencing spiritual abuse can lead to complex PTSD. Questioning beliefs is a crucial part of personal growth. YWAM provided both community and indoctrination. Different theological perspectives can expand understanding. The journey of deconstruction is often painful but necessary. Finding supportive communities is essential for healing. Books and podcasts can be valuable resources for exploration. Listening and taking a lot of input and learning is crucial. Music can reflect the struggle of faith and personal growth. There is a narrative of death and resurrection in belief systems. Finding grounding in new perspectives can lead to freedom. Community can provide stability but can also become cult-like. It's important to navigate the balance between individuality and community. Influences from music and thinkers can guide personal journeys. Spiritual practices like meditation can aid in personal growth. Beliefs can evolve beyond traditional dogmas. Authenticity in spirituality is a continuous journey. Links: https://www.blaircoylemusic.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@blaircoylemusic Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

151: Tom Rundel: The Political Tyranny of Herod the Great

151: Tom Rundel: The Political Tyranny of Herod the Great

summaryThis conversation explores the unique perspectives of the Gospels, particularly focusing on the historical context of the Hebrew people, the rise and rule of Herod the Great, and the implications of Jesus' birth in relation to Herod's tyranny. It delves into the narrative parallels between Moses and Jesus, the significance of lamentation as a form of resistance, and the overarching theme of power dynamics in biblical history. The discussion culminates in reflections on authenticity and the nature of silence in the face of oppression. takeaways Different Gospels target different audiences with unique perspectives. Herod the Great's rule was marked by violence and political maneuvering. The historical context of the Hebrew people is crucial to understanding the Gospels. Herod's fear of losing power led to the slaughter of innocent children. The narrative aligns Jesus with Moses, framing him as a new leader. God communicates through dreams, bypassing traditional power structures. Lamentation is a vital form of resistance against oppression. Herod's death symbolizes the triumph of Jesus' life and message. Matthew's account seeks to correct the narrative surrounding Herod. Silence can lead to authenticity and self-discovery. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

97: Jon Turney: This is Not Church

97: Jon Turney: This is Not Church

takeaways Jon has worked at Costco for 30 years and has a diverse personal life. He grew up in a religious household but questioned church teachings from a young age. Jon's early questions about the Bible led to feelings of rebellion during his teenage years. His experiences in theater challenged his views on homosexuality and church teachings. Jon's journey included studying various religions and ultimately identifying as agnostic. He reconnected with faith through the hyper grace movement, emphasizing God's unconditional love. Jon became a worship leader and preacher but struggled with the church's teachings on hell and salvation. His departure from the church was driven by a desire for authenticity in his beliefs. Jon maintains a friendship with his former pastor despite differing beliefs. The conversation highlights the complexities of faith, control, and personal growth. Universal salvation was a leading belief before modern teachings. Engaging in online arguments about faith can be exhausting. Identifying as a follower of Jesus rather than a Christian reflects personal beliefs. Christian nationalism has a loud platform that many reject. Political tensions are affecting faith communities today. Understanding the roots of anger can lead to healing. The church's connection to politics is concerning. Deconstruction can lead to new beginnings and perspectives. Creating a podcast allows for diverse voices in faith discussions. Community is essential in navigating faith journeys. Links Podcast: https://thisisnotchurch.com/ Book: https://amzn.to/3OIjubx Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jon Turney: This is Not Church

Jon Turney: This is Not Church

takeaways Jon has worked at Costco for 30 years and has a diverse personal life. He grew up in a religious household but questioned church teachings from a young age. Jon's early questions about the Bible led to feelings of rebellion during his teenage years. His experiences in theater challenged his views on homosexuality and church teachings. Jon's journey included studying various religions and ultimately identifying as agnostic. He reconnected with faith through the hyper grace movement, emphasizing God's unconditional love. Jon became a worship leader and preacher but struggled with the church's teachings on hell and salvation. His departure from the church was driven by a desire for authenticity in his beliefs. Jon maintains a friendship with his former pastor despite differing beliefs. The conversation highlights the complexities of faith, control, and personal growth. Universal salvation was a leading belief before modern teachings. Engaging in online arguments about faith can be exhausting. Identifying as a follower of Jesus rather than a Christian reflects personal beliefs. Christian nationalism has a loud platform that many reject. Political tensions are affecting faith communities today. Understanding the roots of anger can lead to healing. The church's connection to politics is concerning. Deconstruction can lead to new beginnings and perspectives. Creating a podcast allows for diverse voices in faith discussions. Community is essential in navigating faith journeys. Links Podcast: https://thisisnotchurch.com/ Book: https://amzn.to/3OIjubx Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

152: Tom Rundel: The Radical Theology of Incarnation

152: Tom Rundel: The Radical Theology of Incarnation

This conversation explores the life and theology of Julian of Norwich, a 14th-century mystic who lived through the Black Death. Tom Rundel discusses how Julian's experiences shaped her radical theology, emphasizing God's love and presence in suffering. The conversation also delves into the nature of God, the distinction between the world and God's kingdom, and the importance of radical inclusion in the Christian faith. Finally, it advocates for a shift from Christian nationalism to localism, encouraging deeper community engagement and awareness of God's presence in everyday life. takeaways Julian of Norwich lived through the Black Death, shaping her theology. Her visions emphasized God's love and presence in suffering. Julian's radical theology countered the belief in God's wrath during the plague. God's love is deeper than death, offering hope amidst suffering. The world is not separate from God's kingdom; we live in both. God's presence is often unrecognized due to societal power structures. Radical inclusion in God's family transcends race and status. Christian localism emphasizes community engagement and care. God's vulnerability is shown through proximity to humanity. The gospel addresses both spiritual and physical realities. Chapters Introduction to Julian of Norwich Julian's Life During the Black Death Visions and Revelations of Divine Love The Nature of God's Love Understanding the World and God's Presence The Power Structures of the World Radical Theology and Belonging Christian Localism and Community Engagement Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

98: Peter Rollins: Is God Dead? A Peek Into Radical Theology

98: Peter Rollins: Is God Dead? A Peek Into Radical Theology

In this RECAST conversation with Peter Rollins , we discuss the themes of loss, death, and redemption. He shares his experiences growing up in Northern Ireland and how it shaped his work on scapegoating and peace. Rollins emphasizes the importance of embracing our contradictions and the inherent loss and death that is part of being human. He critiques the idea of a pre-traumatic state and highlights the redemptive power of encountering our own dividedness. The conversation also explores the role of grief and the need to acknowledge and process loss. Rollins connects these ideas to the concept of the death of God and the tearing of the temple curtain, challenging the notion of liminality as a space where the finite and infinite meet. In this conversation, Peter Rollins and Tom Rundel discuss the concept of God and the different ways it is understood. They explore the idea of sublimation and liminality, with Rollins arguing that the eternal exists within certain objects rather than behind them. He sees Christianity as radical in its belief in the death of God and the alienation within the divine. They also discuss the concept of hope and the importance of living in the present moment. Rollins suggests that a better understanding of God in the modern world is one that embraces self-division and ontological unknowing. Find Peter on the Web: https://peterrollins.com/ Find Peter on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCweF6BScvFnbsymouI-znDA Find Peter's Books on Amazon: https://rb.gy/yu7zje Find us on the WEB! - https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

RECAST Peter Rollins: Is God Dead? A Peek Into Radical Theology

RECAST Peter Rollins: Is God Dead? A Peek Into Radical Theology

In this RECAST conversation with Peter Rollins , we discuss the themes of loss, death, and redemption. He shares his experiences growing up in Northern Ireland and how it shaped his work on scapegoating and peace. Rollins emphasizes the importance of embracing our contradictions and the inherent loss and death that is part of being human. He critiques the idea of a pre-traumatic state and highlights the redemptive power of encountering our own dividedness. The conversation also explores the role of grief and the need to acknowledge and process loss. Rollins connects these ideas to the concept of the death of God and the tearing of the temple curtain, challenging the notion of liminality as a space where the finite and infinite meet. In this conversation, Peter Rollins and Tom Rundel discuss the concept of God and the different ways it is understood. They explore the idea of sublimation and liminality, with Rollins arguing that the eternal exists within certain objects rather than behind them. He sees Christianity as radical in its belief in the death of God and the alienation within the divine. They also discuss the concept of hope and the importance of living in the present moment. Rollins suggests that a better understanding of God in the modern world is one that embraces self-division and ontological unknowing. Find Peter on the Web: https://peterrollins.com/ Find Peter on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCweF6BScvFnbsymouI-znDA Find Peter's Books on Amazon: https://rb.gy/yu7zje Find us on the WEB! - https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living All Music for this episode composed by Axeltree

153: Tom Rundel: Worship What You Have Burned. Burn What You Have Worshipped

153: Tom Rundel: Worship What You Have Burned. Burn What You Have Worshipped

In this conversation, Tom Rundel reflects on his journey from city life to a deeper understanding of faith, exploring themes of baptism, identity, and the call to repentance. He shares personal anecdotes and historical insights, particularly focusing on the significance of baptism as a transformative act that reveals one's true identity as beloved by God. The discussion emphasizes the importance of solidarity with others and the need for a profound reorientation of values in the context of faith. takeaways I did not grow up a country boy. I wanted to get out of the city. Fire is a symbol of baptism in the Bible. Worship what you have burned and burn what you have worshiped. Salvation and liberation are the same words. Baptism is an identity marker for us. We need a new epiphany for the new year. Repentance is a profound reorientation of values. We must stand in solidarity with those we help. You are God's beloved and he is well pleased. Chapters From City Life to Country Dreams The Symbolism of Fire and Baptism The Epiphany of Christ's Baptism Solidarity and the Call to Repentance Identity and Belovedness in Baptism Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

154: Tom Rundel: The Lamb of God vs The Eagle of Rome

154: Tom Rundel: The Lamb of God vs The Eagle of Rome

n this episode, Tom Rundel delves into the historical and theological significance of Pope Sergius I's refusal to conform to political pressures in the late seventh century, particularly regarding the phrase 'Lamb of God.' This pivotal moment in church history illustrates the tension between faith and power, as Sergius stood firm in his beliefs despite the threat of arrest. Rundel draws parallels between this historical event and contemporary issues within the church, emphasizing the importance of maintaining the integrity of faith in the face of societal pressures. He highlights how the phrase 'Lamb of God' serves as a radical declaration of God's nature, contrasting with imperial power and domination, and invites listeners to reflect on their own spiritual journeys and the deeper meanings behind their beliefs. Throughout the conversation, Rundel encourages a re-examination of what it means to follow Jesus, emphasizing that true spirituality is not merely about beliefs but about living out those beliefs in a way that embodies love, vulnerability, and sacrifice. He challenges listeners to consider their desires and how they align with their spiritual lives, ultimately calling for a deeper allegiance to the values represented by the 'Lamb of God.' Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Pope Sergius and Historical Context 02:58 The Significance of the 'Lamb of God' 05:27 Political Pressures and Faith Integrity 10:00 Contrasting Symbols: Eagle vs. Lamb 15:46 The Radical Nature of the 'Lamb of God' 20:27 Faith as a Witness and Spirituality 25:26 Desire and Spirituality: What Do You Want? 30:50 Vocation and Living Authentically 34:51 Closing Reflections and Benediction Takeaways 'I'm a Christian.' 'God's power doesn't look like empire power.' 'What do you want?' 'Faith is a witness.' 'Desire is naturally human.' 'Tell me what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?' 'The lamb symbolizes self-emptying love rather than imposed force.' 'We can't pretend otherwise, even if these people in power ask us to.' 'This is who Jesus is.' 'Come and see.' Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

155: Tom Rundel: Speaking Truth to Power

155: Tom Rundel: Speaking Truth to Power

This conversation explores the context of Jesus' beginning ministry, the nature of time, the role of prophets in society, ancient fishermen, and the call to solidarity and healing within communities. Tom Rundel shares personal fishing memories, transitions into discussing the serious nature of fishing in Jesus' time, and delves into the importance of understanding time as a social construct. He emphasizes the need for prophets to challenge unjust systems and highlights Jesus' radical choice of disciples from the margins of society. The conversation concludes with reflections on healing and the presence of God among those who are marginalized. takeaways Fishing memories evoke nostalgia and family connections. Jesus' disciples were not just hobbyists but working fishermen. Understanding the context of Jesus' ministry requires a shift in perspective. Time was measured seasonally in ancient societies, not precisely. Prophets challenge unjust systems and advocate for change. Jesus' withdrawal to Galilee was a strategic move for a new movement. The marginalized often see God's light more clearly than the powerful. Healing is an act of solidarity, not just a display of power. Community and care are essential in the Kingdom of God. Imagination shapes hope and action in our lives. Chapters 00:00Fishing Memories and Family Traditions 06:20Understanding the Context of Jesus and Fishermen 12:05The Nature of Time and Its Impact on Society 18:21The Role of Prophets in Challenging Systems 24:22Jesus' Radical Call to the Margins 30:20Healing and Solidarity in the Kingdom of God Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

156: Tom Rundel: The Light We Cannot See

156: Tom Rundel: The Light We Cannot See

In this conversation, Tom Rundel shares personal anecdotes and insights about the nature of light, the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, and the significance of the Beatitudes. He emphasizes the importance of understanding unseen forces that affect our lives, the transformative power of imagination, and the call to justice and mercy as central themes in the Beatitudes. The discussion encourages listeners to reflect on their own lives and the societal structures around them, advocating for a compassionate and just approach to living. takeaways Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not affecting you. The nature of light includes both visible and invisible elements that impact us. The Sermon on the Mount offers a new perspective on societal norms and values. Jesus' teachings challenge our survival instincts and societal hierarchies. The Beatitudes call for a radical reimagining of how we engage with the world. Solidarity is essential in understanding Jesus' message. Imagination is crucial for hope and social transformation. Justice and mercy are intertwined in the teachings of Jesus. The meek are strong-souled individuals who refuse violence as a means of progress. A vision for the world must be rooted in the Beatitudes to be effective. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

157: Tom Rundel: Christian Nationalism Can't Survive Matthew 5

157: Tom Rundel: Christian Nationalism Can't Survive Matthew 5

In this conversation, Tom Rundel explores the profound teachings of the Sermon on the Mount, emphasizing its counterintuitive nature and the challenges it presents to individuals across the Christian spectrum. He delves into the historical context of Rosa Parks and the Montgomery Bus Boycott, illustrating how acts of non-violence and dignity can challenge oppressive systems. The discussion further expands on the metaphor of being 'salt of the earth' and 'light of the world,' calling for a communal approach to justice and love that preserves life and reveals truth in society. Takeaways The Sermon on the Mount is challenging and counterintuitive. Rosa Parks' actions sparked a significant movement for civil rights. The Montgomery Bus Boycott demonstrated the power of non-violent resistance. Salt symbolizes preservation and healing in a violent world. Light represents justice and communal action that restores dignity. Christian nationalism can distort the true message of the Gospel. Repentance is a way to reclaim dignity from oppressive narratives. Small acts of faithfulness can have a significant impact. Communities should organize around justice and love. Living out the teachings of Jesus requires courage and authenticity. Chapters The Challenge of the Sermon on the Mount Historical Context and Rosa Parks The Impact of the Montgomery Bus Boycott Salt of the Earth: A Call to Action Light of the World: Living Out Goodness Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

158: Tom Rundel: God Will Not Be Managed, Only Met

158: Tom Rundel: God Will Not Be Managed, Only Met

In this conversation, Tom Rundel reflects on Black History Month, focusing on the inspiring story of Ruby Bridges and her courage during the Civil Rights Movement. He discusses the significance of Norman Rockwell's painting, 'The Problem We All Live With,' and how it encapsulates the struggles faced by Ruby as she integrated an all-white school. The conversation transitions into the themes of mountaintop moments, sacred separation, and the transfiguration of Jesus, emphasizing the importance of community, love, and the journey of transformation. Rundel encourages listeners to embrace their own moments of clarity and to practice resurrection in their daily lives. takeaways Tom Rundel reflects on Black History Month and personal growth. Ruby Bridges' story exemplifies courage in the face of adversity. Norman Rockwell's painting highlights racial tensions in America. Mountaintop moments provide clarity and vision for life's challenges. Sacred separation is different from escapism; it leads to transformation. Community plays a crucial role in individual becoming. Love is a powerful force that transcends arguments. Transfiguration reveals our true identity and destiny. Practicing resurrection is a continuous journey, not a one-time event. We must trust the light we carry, especially in difficult times. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

159: Tom Rundel: The Devil Wears Vestments

159: Tom Rundel: The Devil Wears Vestments

In this conversation, Tom Rundel explores the significance of Lent as a time for spiritual recalibration and intentional practices. He emphasizes the importance of understanding hunger versus appetite, the experience of mortality through hunger, and the temptations faced by Jesus. The discussion culminates in an invitation for personal reflection and growth during Lent, highlighting the power of love over the love of power. takeaways Lent serves as an annual recalibration of our habits and patterns. Intentional practices during Lent can help cultivate virtues. Understanding the difference between hunger and appetite is crucial. Experiencing hunger connects us to our mortality and need for community. The temptations of Jesus illustrate recurring human struggles with power and control. Lent invites us to reflect on what we truly desire and need. The power of love is greater than the love of power. We are called to embrace our vulnerability and neediness. Lent is a time to displace negative habits with positive practices. Holistic growth during Lent can encompass physical, mental, and spiritual well-being. Chapters 00:00 Lent: A Time for Recalibration 03:35 Intentional Practices for Lent 06:24 Understanding Hunger vs. Appetite 12:17 The Wilderness Experience 18:17 The Temptations of Jesus 30:08 The Power of Love Over Power 35:57 Invitation to Lent Practices Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

160: Tom Rundel: Pretense is the Enemy of the Spiritual Life

160: Tom Rundel: Pretense is the Enemy of the Spiritual Life

In this conversation, Tom Rundel explores the deeper meanings and contexts surrounding the famous biblical verse John 3:16, discussing its historical significance, the character of Nicodemus, and the spiritual journey of understanding faith. He emphasizes the importance of context in scripture, the role of doubt in faith, and the transformative practices of Lent as a means to deepen one's spiritual life. takeaways John 3:16 became famous through a man with a rainbow wig. The context of scripture is crucial for understanding its meaning. Nicodemus approached Jesus out of curiosity and a desire for truth. Nighttime symbolizes a space for honest questioning in faith. Doubt can drive deeper spiritual inquiry and understanding. Spirituality involves seeing interconnected layers of reality. The kingdom of God is within every human heart. Lent invites us to explore our true selves without pretense. Transformation requires letting go of old understandings. Practices during Lent can help cultivate a deeper spiritual life. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

161: Tom Rundel: Where is God When the System Fails You?

161: Tom Rundel: Where is God When the System Fails You?

Follow the Drinking Gourd: A Map Encoded in Song Tom opens with his love of astronomy and the Big Dipper, tracing it to the African American folk song "Follow the Drinking Gourd" a secret map taught to enslaved people escaping north on the Underground Railroad. The stars, the rivers, and the mysterious guide Peg Leg Joe become an extended metaphor for the kind of liberation the Woman at the Well is seeking. Setting the Scene: Why Jesus "Had To" Go Through Samaria By the time Jesus heads north in John 4, he's already overturned the temple economy and rattled religious authorities. Tom unpacks why most Jewish travelers avoided Samaria entirely doubling a three-day journey to seven and why the text's insistence that Jesus had to go through Samaria signals something theologically deliberate, not logistically necessary. 700 Years of Animosity: The Jew-Samaritan Divide Tom traces the deep historical roots of Jewish-Samaritan hostility from the fall of the Northern Kingdom in 722 BC, through Assyrian resettlement, the destruction of the Samaritan temple on Mount Gerizim, and the desecration of the Jerusalem temple showing that Jesus was walking into centuries of compounded grievance and mutual contempt. A Woman at Noon: Double Exile Jesus arrives at the well at midday and waits. Tom explains that women drew water in the morning coming at noon meant this woman wasn't welcome at the communal gathering. She's already an outcast within an outcast community: doubly exiled, doubly marginalized. Rereading the Five Husbands: Levirate Marriage and Courageous Faith Tom challenges the traditional "woman searching for love in all the wrong places" reading entirely. Through the lens of Levirate marriage law in which a widow was passed to her late husband's brothers to produce an heir he reframes her story as one of faithfully following every rule and finding the system failed her anyway. Drawing a parallel to Tamar in Genesis, Tom argues she isn't a cautionary tale about sin; she's asking the oldest theological question: Where is God when the system has failed you? Worship in Spirit and Truth: Dismantling Geographic Holiness When the woman asks about the mountain debate Gerizim or Jerusalem Tom argues she isn't deflecting. She's asking whether there's any avenue left for someone barred from all the accepted paths to God. Jesus's answer that God is worshiped in spirit and truth, not geography is a revolutionary dismantling of every gatekeeping system organized around sacred buildings and in-group access. "I AM": The Divine Name Spoken to the Most Marginalized Jesus speaks his most stunning self-disclosure the divine name I AM from the burning bush not to Nicodemus, not to the disciples, but to this woman at a well at noon in Samaria. Tom connects this to Moses's commissioning in the wilderness and shows how the same words now send her on an identical mission: go lead an exodus. Photini: Light-Bearer and Spiritual Mother The Eastern Orthodox Church honors this woman with the name Photini "light." The town that excluded her now listens to her. She has no son, yet she becomes the spiritual mother of an entire community. Tom closes by returning to the drinking gourd image: we are not the North Star, just the constellation that helps people find it. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

163: Tom Rundel: Power Has No God: The Raising of Lazarus

163: Tom Rundel: Power Has No God: The Raising of Lazarus

Jesus is a wanted man. Hes been run out of Jerusalem twice, nearly stoned to death, and is hiding in the wilderness when word arrives: your friend Lazarus is dying. What he does nextand how long he waits before doing itwill raise more questions than it answers. In this message from John 11, Tom Rundel explores the theology of delay, the geography of exile, and the difference between the kind of love that shows up when its convenient and the kind that enters a tomb. Grounded in the Greek text, Black theology, liberation thought, and honest pastoral experience, this sermon asks: Where does God actually live? And who is supposed to do the unbinding? Key Take Aways God refuses the abstraction. The God of Israel knows proper names and local addresses. When the text moves from 'a certain man was ill' to naming Lazarus and his town and his family, it is making a theological claim: the God of Scripture sees specific people in specific places, not categories of suffering. Bethany is not incidentalit is the gospel. The town where Jesus performs his greatest miracle is the town built to house people politely exiled from the seat of power. God doesn't anointed in Jerusalem's temple. God is anointed in the group home for the sick and the marginalized. This is not the consolation prize of the gospel. It is the gospel. Phileo love has a ceiling. Tribal lovebuilt on shared connection, affinity, and mutual benefitwithdraws when you become inconvenient, too loud in your grief, too different in your evolution. When Lazarus became sick and dependent and unable to reciprocate, Phileo couldn't hold him. It never can. Agape is different in kind, not just degree. Agape love is not built on what you share with the other person. It is built on the character of the person who loves. It moves toward the other at personal cost. It transforms the identity of the one who receives it. According to philosopher John Vervecky, this is Christianitys singular contribution to the evolution of human moral consciousness. The delay is not a bug in the story. Jesus knew. Jesus loved. Jesus stayed. And Lazarus died anyway. The text doesn't resolve thisit sits inside it. The invitation is not to find a theological answer to the delay but to examine what kind of love we actually want: a controlling love that prevents suffering, or a humble love that enters grief and stands at the tomb. 'Jesus wept' is not a footnote. It is the theological center. Embodied compassion precedes resurrection. God does not manage the moment from a safe distance. God enters inside it. And when Jesus says 'I am the resurrection and the life,' the 'I am' is the divine namenot a future promise but a present-tense encounter. We build our own Bethanyscommunal and interior. Communities build systems that push the sick, the poor, the doubting, and the different to the margins and call it order. Individuals exile parts of themselves they fear won't be accepted. The story of Lazarus says: may it not be that way. The miracle belongs to God. The unbinding belongs to us. Jesus raises Lazarus. Then he hands the work to the community: 'Unbind him and let him go.' The church is not the source of resurrection life. It is the community that removes the grave clothesof injustice, exclusion, shame, and old systems of meritfrom the people God has already made alive. The kingdom doesn't arrive in halls of power. Every time Jesus escapes Jerusalem and lands somewhere else, the pattern is the same: the place of power cannot receive what love is doing. The kingdom rises from the marginsfrom Bethanys humble streets, not Jerusalems religious machinery. What looks like the space between death and resurrection is actually the condition for growth. The old framework has collapsed. The new one has not yet arrived. Most of our faith operates in that threshold. It is not an obstacle to growth. It is the condition of it. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

164: Grand Theft Donkey: Palm Sunday Reflections

164: Grand Theft Donkey: Palm Sunday Reflections

Episode Notes: Summary of Arguments 1. Palm Sunday is a political confrontation, not a celebration. Tom establishes the historical and cultural context: Jerusalem at Passover swelled from 30,000 to upward of 500,000 people. Rome, aware of the uprising potential, flooded the city with military forces. On the same day Jesus processed in from the east on a donkey, Roman Governor Pontius Pilate rode in from the west on a war horse with full military escort a deliberate display of imperial power. The crowd's response to Jesus was not festive; it was insurrectionary. 2. Every symbol in the passage is a declaration of war or its subversion. The donkey, the cloaks, and the palm branches are not incidental details. Each one carries a loaded history. Riding a colt into the city was a messianic claim rooted in Zechariah 9:9 and the traditions of David and Solomon. The cloaks replicated the crowd's welcome of Jehu in 2 Kings 9, signaling a regime change. The palm branches were the national symbol of the Maccabean liberation, and "Hosanna" was the literal battle cry used to charge against the Syrians. The crowd was not worshipping they were rallying. 3. Jesus seized the expectations of the people and then refused to fulfill them violently. He accepted the messianic symbols deliberately, but rode on a colt described in Hebrew as anah poor, afflicted, oppressed. His kingship is subversive from the outset. He is not another Judas Maccabeus. He is not another Judas the Galilean. He is something the crowd had no category for: a Messiah who refuses to win through violence. 4. The neuroscience of the crowd explains the shift from "Hosanna" to "Crucify him." When political and religious symbols enter the picture, the brain's logic centers shut down and emotion centers light up. The crowd was not being fickle they were being human. Their hopes were enormous, their suffering was real, and Jesus walked past all of it toward a cross. They felt profoundly betrayed. That betrayal is the hinge of Holy Week. 5. The pastoral challenge: give up faith in violence. The enduring message of Palm Sunday is that humans are tempted to believe one more act of force will finally set the world right. It never does. Seeds of violence grow more violence. Jesus entered as the king the world needed and refused to become the king the world wanted and that distinction is everything. The episode closes with a call to lay down our own palm branches: the version of Jesus we've constructed to serve our preferred vision of power. Key Takeaways Palm Sunday is set against a backdrop of colonial oppression, military buildup, and a population at its breaking point not a festive parade. Pontius Pilate's military procession and Jesus's entry happened simultaneously from opposite sides of the city a deliberate counter-narrative. Jesus riding a colt was a deliberate, public claim to be the Davidic Messiah, fulfilling Zechariah 9:9. The Hebrew word for "humble" ( anah ) in Zechariah means poor, afflicted, and oppressed God's definition of leadership is inverted from the world's. Spreading cloaks was not hospitality it was a political act modeled on the crowning of Jehu in 2 Kings 9, a declaration that regime change had come. Palm branches were the national symbol of Maccabean independence; waving them was like raising a liberation flag. "Hosanna" was a war cry meaning God save us now the prayer of colonized people at their breaking point, not a gentle hymn. Neuroscience confirms what the crowd shows us: when political and religious symbols collide, logic shuts off and emotion takes over in every age. The crowd's turn from "Hosanna" to "Crucify him" was not arbitrary it was the grief of profound betrayal by someone who carried all their hope. Jesus entered as the king the world needed and refused to become the king the world wanted and every demand that Jesus endorse our vision of power repeats the crowd's mistake. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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