Jasmine Baucham, CollegePlus, and Leaving Things Out

CollegePlus is a Christian organization that guides students through the process of getting online degrees through a state college in New Jersey. You CLEP, you take online classes, and anything with a lab you take at your local community college – and the whole time you have a CollegePlus (same gender) tutor/guidance counselor helping you. Oh, and a character training program you do on the side, which is a CollegePlus thing and not a requirement of the state college in new Jersey.

Vision Forum, which is not only against daughters going to college but increasingly against sons going to college, is a major supporter and partner of CollegePlus because CollegePlus allows students to get a real college degree without leaving home, and all through a Christian organization.

Well, today I read a promo for College Plus that I couldn’t help but feel was deceptive. It’s called “My Dad Went To Oxford and I Didn’t – Here’s Why,” and is written by a CollegePlus student whose father has a degree from Oxford. Here’s an excerpt:

I chose CollegePlus because I believe young people are capable of learning autodidactically (needs to be a word, so I’m coining it) and that, if you work it, you’ll be exposed to more avenues than you ever dreamed of through a CollegePlus education!

The implication is that this girl chose CollegePlus over Oxford – and is glad she did! And of course, this story is used as a promo. However, this feels deceptive somehow.

You see, Jasmine Baucham, the author of this promotional article, has actually written a manual on the importance of being a stay at home daughter, which is published and is still being sold by Vision Forum. I’ve written about it before. Here’s an excerpt from the product description:

By age fourteen, Jasmine Baucham’s little-girl dreams of becoming a mommy were supplanted by bigger visions of winning the Pulitzer Prize or an Oscar and appearing on Oprah. She began viewing the calling of home and marriage as second-rate. Then her world was radically challenged by the Scriptures, as she went from craving personal renown to craving to please the Lord through delighting in his design for the joyful home — an even bigger dream, she realized, than stardom.

In Joyfully at Home, Jasmine writes with verve and transparency about her own struggles and triumphs as a young woman, encouraging other girls to embrace a vision for the home as a hub of ministry and discipleship and as a training ground for life ahead.

And here are two promotions for the book, one written by Jasmine herself and the other by Doug Phillips’ wife:

Why do single young women choose to stay at home? Can they be fulfilled and content under their father’s roof? What do they do with their time? Jasmine Baucham has written a winsome, compelling, and hard-hitting book which will encourage and inspire all the women in your home! Joyfully at Home will challenge your thinking and help you honestly answer the really tough questions. —Beall Phillips

I want to encourage young women . . . to be enthusiastic and vibrant, purposeful and driven, meticulous and passionately focused in pursuit of the Lord’s will for their time at home. —Jasmine Baucham

In other words, Jasmine didn’t choose College Plus over her father’s Oxford education because CollegePlus offered autodidactic learning and “more avenues than you ever dreamed of.” She chose CollegePlus over Oxford because she believed that as an adult daughter she must remain under her father’s authority and that her purpose was to be a stay at home daughter. Going to Oxford was out of the question. Getting an online degree while living at home under her father’s authority, however, was a workable option.

I’m glad Jasmine is getting a degree. What I’m confused by is why CollegePlus would advertise itself in this way, as though Jasmine honestly chose CollegePlus over Oxford for some sort of educational benefits rather than because of her involvement in the Christian Patriarchy movement. It seems a bit deceptive.

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Libby Anne grew up in a large evangelical homeschool family highly involved in the Christian Right. College turned her world upside down, and she is today an atheist, a feminist, and a progressive. She blogs about leaving religion, her experience with the Christian Patriarchy and Quiverfull movements, the detrimental effects of the "purity culture," the contradictions of conservative politics, and the importance of feminism.

  • http://phoenixandolivebranch.wordpress.com Sierra

    It’s extremely deceptive. And infuriating.

    Nothing you can do at home is like going to Oxbridge. I’ve gone to Oxbridge. There is absolutely nothing you can do at home that compares to the experience of being abroad learning from the greatest minds in your field, who are willing to help you follow your dreams AFTER graduating as well. Even if she had gotten accepted to Oxford (which I doubt her homeschool education prepared her for at all), her story would be more evidence of her own self-destructive brainwashing than anything to do with CollegePlus.

    I’m also really sick of people tolerating the absolute bullshit that is the idea that being a stay-at-home mom is somehow more glamorous than winning a Pulitzer prize. If you want to stay home, that’s great, but don’t expect to be treated like Oprah for it. Argh, this article just made my brain melt from the ridiculously blatant indoctrination of girls into permanent servitude. Arrrrrrrrggghh!

    • Flora

      The part that makes me the most upset is that she DID have big dreams and she didn’t compromise them out of her own changing life goals or extraneous circumstances – she was forced to squash them by virtue of the CP lifestyle. It’s one thing to realize that your dream of becoming an astronaut is rather unrealistic, and quite another to be told it’s stupid and get back to doing the laundry. And it’s another thing yet to be forced to enjoy doing laundry instead.

    • http://TeamEagleRevolution.com Bryan Hart

      Tell me how you really feel. ;-)

    • Bee Atch

      As though a public school education would necessarily prepare you either. I was home schooled, and found university way easier than grade nine. XD Jamine could probably manage. And who knows? Maybe she’ll try someday.

      But I agree about the dishonesty of her endorsement.

  • smrnda

    The one part of the college experience you can’t replicate at home, under parental authority, is being exposed to different types of people and different viewpoints and learning how to live on your own and negotiate life without an adult authority figure making all the decisions.

    I have no objection to women who choose to stay at home, but in the end, I don’t think kids, unless they are very young, really need a full-time stay at home mom. My mom worked and I liked that because it meant that my mom didn’t have no life outside of the family. The way they convince people that kids need a full-time stay at home mom is either to convince women to have too many kids (so you’ll never be able to say ‘well, now that the kids are old enough i can work’ since there’s always another baby) or to alter the homemaking standards – either make them unattainable, or else turn back the clock and refuse to use labor-saving technology.

    The whole Christian patriarchy deal is just a way to get women to be completely absent from the public sphere so that they will exist only as attachments to men, either as supportive wives with no independent lives or goals or obedient daughters – it’s pretty much the same deal as fundamentalist Islam.

    People should pursue whatever they feel like, but in the end I’m happy that I don’t have a family and that I can do what I feel like, and I’m happy I went away to college. There’s nothing wrong with making other choices but these girls are clearly not being given choices.

    • Froborr

      Even little kids don’t need a full-time stay-at-home mom. They do need constant care, but as it turns out it is not required for 100% of that care to come from the same woman who gave birth to them or a female parent. There are actual documented cases of kids being raised successfully by men! Or people paid for the purpose! Or even… [drumroll]… the shared cooperative efforts of multiple adults, permitting all of them to pursue outside interests while also responsibly raising children!

      Amazing, I know.

      • smrnda

        Totally agreed 100% there. The idea of the nuclear family and the mom ALONE caring for the kids is by no means an ahistorical norm, and in other cultures men take a greater role in childcare than they typically do in the states. And what about extended families? In some cultures where multi-generational living is more common grandparents do a lot of direct child-rearing. The whole idea of the mom being the sole caregiver is an anglo-american Victorian ideal that never matched reality for most people anyway.

  • smrnda

    The one part of the college experience you can’t replicate at home, under parental authority, is being exposed to different types of people and different viewpoints and learning how to live on your own and negotite life without an adult authority figure making all the decisions.

    I have no objection to women who choose to stay at home, but in the end, I don’t think kids, unless they are very young, really need a full-time stay at home mom. My mom worked and I liked that because it meant that my mom didn’t have no life outside of the family. The way they convince people that kids need a full-time stay at home mom is either to convince women to have too many kids (so you’ll never be able to say ‘well, now that the kids are old enough i can work’ since there’s always another baby) or to alter the homemaking standards – either make them unattainable, or else turn back the clock and refuse to use labor-saving technology.

    The whole Christian patriarchy deal is just a way to get women to be completely absent from the public sphere so that they will exist only as attachments to men, either as supportive wives with no independent lives or goals or obedient daughters – it’s pretty much the same deal as fundamentalist Islam.

    People should pursue whatever they feel like, but in the end I’m happy that I don’t have a family and that I can do what I feel like, and I’m happy I went away to college. There’s nothing wrong with making other choices but these girls are clearly not being given choices.

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    Apparently her CollegePlus education hasn’t exposed her to the fact that “autodidactically” is already a word…

    But whatever. What really stuck out to me is the fact that, according to that promo, at 14, Jasmine was apparently dreaming of winning a Pulitzer OR an Oscar. Well did she want to write books or act in films? Most people don’t do both. Did she have any literary talent? Any acting talent? Any history of actually cultivating one of these talents? Or did she just want to be on Oprah, because, gosh, all that attention, that just sounds so much fun, squeeeee!

    This seems to be the standard narrative of young girls’ professional dreams that the stay-at-home daughter crowd promotes. They don’t seem to like to entertain the idea that girls may have actual interests and talents that they want to pursue, instead of just vague, non-specific dreams of receiving fame and public attention for SOME kind of glamorous accomplishment, doesn’t matter what kind. Because according to them, a woman’s career ambitions are just a narcissistic desire for “personal renown.” Women don’t have particular talents, or interests, or principles, or a a social conscience, or any of the other things that tend to drive people when they pick career paths, apparently. They just want to feel special! And Daddy can do that much better than Oprah, girls! In a way, it’s kind of the same mindset as that “Mommy, I’ll make you forget all about your silly career” anti-abortion song that you posted about a few days ago. It’s all based on the assumption that all women really want is to be adored, and they think they can get that adoration from pursuing a career, when really they should be looking at it from their fathers, or their children, or their husbands or whatever person is being held up at the moment as who is supposed to define us.

    Ugh. Give me a break. I’m guessing that the 14-year-old girls out their who dream of Pulitzers do so because they love to write. And the girls who dream of Oscars do so because they love to act. And that the awards are, in their minds, secondary to simply being allowed to pursue what they love and what they’re good at. And that’s to say nothing of all the girls who don’t dream of awards at all, and just want to be able to find what they love and are passionate about and do it. Get a clue, guys (and your female puppets.) Women are people and people need to define themselves. We can’t simply swap out our personal dreams and ambitions for the adoration of our families any more than men can.

    • AnotherOne

      Also, call me jaded, but I’m skeptical whether her life story followed the arc that she describes. It’s just far too neat and packaged of a story. To me it sounds like a modern fundy morality story packaged as autobiography to sell.

      And then there’s the irony that Jasmine actually *is* a writer, and that she has renown. She’s made a career out of writing about not having a career–she got to have her stay-at-home daughter cake and eat it too. Which makes her loads better off than every single one of the stay-at-home daughters I know who are pushing 30 and have either 1) given up this joke of a lifestyle in disgust, or 2) live sad, sad lives at home, hoping to one day find a man.

      • Maggy

        This tale reminds me of Phyliss Schlafly. She is still making the rounds speaking to anyone who will hear her deride working women. She spent a tremendous amount of time, effort and resources trying to convince the citizens of the United States that the ERA should not have been enacted and that feminists are evil. Phyliss is a lawyer and political activist who works against the women and policies that have allowed her to balance these roles with being a mother.

      • Judy L

        What a lot of people don’t know is that the ERA was never enacted. It passed in Congress but was never ratified. The Equal Rights Amendment is not an amendment to the Constitution of the USA.

        The CP movement and Republicans would like to see women have as few rights as possible, which is why they’ve been working so tirelessly to strip rights from women or make it impossible for them to do the things that they have rights to do by law. Apparently the political rhetoric of ‘jobs jobs jobs’ is Republican code for ‘attack women from all sides’.

    • MadGastronomer

      Apparently her CollegePlus education hasn’t exposed her to the fact that “autodidactically” is already a word…

      I was thinking exactly the same things.

    • http://thaliasmusingsnovels.com/ Amethyst

      They give Oscars for writing.

      • MadGastronomer

        But a very, very different kind of writing than they give Pulitzers for. OK, they give a Pulitzer for playwrights, but even that is a different skillset than screenwriting. The question of whether she was working to acquire the skills necessary is still valid. I wanted to act, and indeed to write plays, when I was 14, and I was actively working on it. I took classes, was part of a local youth theater group, took writing workshops, competed, read books on both topics, all kinds of things. I majored in theater in college, too, before I had to drop out because of my bipolar. There’s a big difference between dreaming of someday, and actually being passionate about it and working towards it. Hell, some of the teen actors I knew then thought I was a slacker.

      • Froborr

        MadG: I don’t see anything wrong with having two disparate careers in mind at 14. When I was 14 I wanted to be either a physicist or a writer. I was good at and enjoyed both science and writing, and I figured I had plenty of time to figure out which I really wanted to do. I wrote as much as I could *and* read up on physics as much as I could, I took high school classes for both dreams (accelerated math curriculum, AP Physics, the creative-writing-focused version of senior English), and a little before I turned 18, I decided on writing. I think it’s going a little far to demand that a 14-year-old have only one passion they pursue above all others or else it somehow doesn’t count as a dream. The teen years are all about exploring possibilities and defining who you are, and that usually means passing through several definitions along the way.

        That said? Yeah, the having-her-cake-and-eating-it-too thing is rank hypocrisy.

      • Petticoat Philosopher

        I had disparate interests at 14 too, Froborr (hell, still do), but that’s not really the point. The article didn’t say “Jasmine wanted to write books or be an actress” or even “write books or screenplays.” It said that she dreamed of “winning the Pulitzer Prize or an Oscar and appearing on Oprah” which shifts the focus from the actual skills, talents, and interests involved in getting those awards to the awards themselves. It’s all about a desire for the attention and validation of others, “stardom,” not a desire to be intellectually or creatively fulfilled or to contribute to the world through one’s talents.

        And why SHOULD the promoters of the SAHD lifestyle want to talk about those that? Those kinds of ambitions are awfully inconvenient because they can’t be satisfied by shaving Daddy or fetching him his slippers and winning his smiling approval(or any of that other creepy Botkin crap). It’s in the best interest of the cause for girls to be depicted as having no inner life outside of an endless need to to get a pat on the head and an “atta girl.” And why get that from the public, or the Academy, or Oprah (because all teh wimminz heart Oprah!) when you can get it from your own dear Daddy (and God)?

      • MadGastronomer

        Froborr: Petticoat Philosopher is right: It’s not about the disparate interests, it’s about whether or not she was actually pursuing them. Pointing out that they were different skills was more of a sidenote. Sorry if that was unclear.

  • AnotherOne

    Thanks for writing about this. As I’ve mentioned before, I have siblings doing CollegePlus. (Although what they’re actually doing is a mystery to me–they seem to be taking very few classes, and they’ve been enrolled for going on 5 years and have no degree to show for it). I would be really interested in seeing a survey of people enrolled in CollegePlus–what their time to degree is, whether those with degrees have decent job prospects, etc. Also, from stories my siblings have told me, it sounds like the counselors actively encourage the students not to engage any course content that conflicts with their fundamentalist worldview. In other words, you just memorize the material as a way of passing a CLEP exam or a course, in an environment that keeps the brainwashing in place and keeps contradicting viewpoints from having any impact.

    Can you tell I’m frustrated? The ever-expanding list of ways fundy parents can keep their kids locked up in their little cult world is so scary.

    • Rosa

      do you know if they are recieving federal loans for the tuition portion? I assume College Plus isn’t fundable, since it’s not a degree bearing program, but the college they work with is accredited, so it might be loan-eligible – and if so, they may soon have to disclose graduation rates.

      • Maggy

        I did some cursory research on the CollegePlus website. Here’s what it says about financial aid: “Because CollegePlus is not an official college but rather a coaching system, it cannot accept FAFSA, HOPE, TTF, Pell grants, or other forms of federal aid as payment for services.”

        But then there are comparisons to the cost for private and public colleges: “The average cost for a degree obtained through CollegePlus ranges from $10,000 to $15,000 depending on the degree obtained. When this is compared to similar degree programs at brick-and-mortar institutions, which range from $20,000–$150,000+, CollegePlus is obviously an enormous bargain.”

        It’s confusing to me. How do students obtain degrees through CollegePlus if they are not an official college? And if they are not an official college, isn’t $10-15K of expense for “coaching” tacked on to the cost of getting a degree really expensive?

      • http://patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism Libby Anne

        Because CollegePlus doesn’t give you the degree. They are essentially a tutoring and guidance service. You still pay for your CLEP tests, pay for your online classes through Thomas Edison State College in New Jersey, and pay for whatever hands-on courses you have to take at your local community college. All CollegePlus does is guide you through a process you could technically do yourself – a combination of CLEP tests, online classes, and community college classes. The degree you get does NOT come from CollegePlus, it comes from Thomas Edison State College in New Jersey. I would guess you could get student loans for those classes, and from what I’ve heard Thomas Edison is on the front lines of pioneering online degrees, which is why CollegePlus has its students go through them.

      • http://TeamEagleRevolution.com Bryan Hart

        (CollegePlus Coach) The CollegePlus program is not a normal approach to completing college. The goal is to help students first nail down their life purpose (like a personal mission statement), make a solid degree choice, and complete their degree in a much more efficient and personalized timeframe. The coaching service is why I wanted to hop onboard. Life coaching is an area that, for some, is hard to see the value. However, having a professionally trained life coach, who helps train you how to exercise self-leadership, holds you accountable to your goals, and provides feedback and troubleshooting can be invaluable.
        I hate how this sounds like a sales pitch though. I am jumping into this conversation today because this blogpost was reposted on another site. What I really want is to hear the various perspective on my company to see how we can improve. Thanks for the honesty on this discussion (I don’t see how you could be any more honest ^.^) Email me through my website if you would like to continue this conversation through that means (TeamEagleRevolution.com).
        I do think the overall perspective on this particular issue with Ms. Baucham is more complicated. There are many aspects of people’s choice that we do not see.

  • http://AztecQueen2000.blogspot.com AztecQueen2000

    It’s not just the Christian fundies who do this. In Brooklyn, they have a similar program for Orthodox Jewish women. (And I’m not talking about Touro College, which is accredited.) To me, the whole thing screams “DIPLOMA MILL!”
    Even though I homeschool, I want my kids to attend a brick-and-mortar college. Whether it’s Columbia or CUNY, I think they would benefit from the experience.

    • http://TeamEagleRevolution.com Bryan Hart

      I thought diploma mill when I first heard of CP. Do some research though. My students are not paying money and getting a sheet of paper. They are busting it. But they are doing so in a very different way than traditional college. I think we should welcome this kind of change. For some, it is far better to do college through distance learning. Many colleges will turn towards this model completely (Consider Stanford’s, Duke’s, etc. partnership with Coursera.com).
      If you have ideas to make CP sound less like a degree mill I am seriously all ears!

  • kalipay

    your degree is not eventually through CollegePlus, it is from Thomas Edison State College in Trenton, NJ. ThomasEdison is one of the big three “online colleges” and is not in any way religious or affiliated with anything religious. CollegePlus is a coaching program that lays out a schedule and a path to follow in order to get a degree the fastest way possible, as mentioned above, through CLEP tests, various classes at community colleges, a few online courses through various programs or through ThomasEdison themselves, portfolio submission… CollegePlus only coaches: a legitimate degree is issued through ThomasEdison. i’ve done work through ThomasEdison after taking a bunch of classes at a community college, and they are definitely an online college, but they are accredited and well-accepted in the area. and yes, the coaching is enormously expensive. i have a good friend who helped me (for free) but his help was invaluable. it is a complicated process at times, to work on a degree non-traditionally, so while coaching is helpful, they charge an awful lot for it.

    also, the reason CollegePlus is advertising that way is that it has close ties to VisionForum and even ATI. this is their main market, and they know that this is the advertising and promotion that will encourage and draw in that market. many of its employees grew up ATI (hence the “same sex mentor” requirement), and some of its employees and higher-up people attend Boerne Christian Fellowship, Doug Phillips local church (as it is based right outside of San Antonio, TX). i don’t know what their market is like in non-homeschooled groups, but i know that i have only heard of them in those groups.

    • http://patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism Libby Anne

      So I have to ask. Did Doug Phillips have a hand in the founding of CollegePlus?

      • kalipay

        i don’t think so directly, but that is just me saying that i have no information or knowledge that he did. Brad Voeller is of ATI circles (big scandal with his family, very sad) and is the one who mainly founded it. i was quite interested in their South Korean ministry for a while and wanted my family to go back into missions with that organization, especially since i understood to a significant degree what the Voeller children had gone through.

        CPlus does however have a special Vision Forum page “http://www.collegeplus.org/requestinfo/visionforum”. i can see how perhaps Brad had contacts with VF and chose to be in the San Antonio area for that reason? it could also just be cheaper real estate: i honestly have no idea. i just know that several of the elite VF interns have gone through CPlus, and VF highly advocates it (or did a few years ago when i knew and was in the loop with these things).

      • http://TeamEagleRevolution.com Bryan Hart

        I don’t think Phillips was at all a part of the founding. I think the connection has more to do with the homeschool market. It is a natural connection since many homeschoolers are familiar, or even huge fans, of Vision Forum.

  • Froborr

    Why would they be deceptive? What have these people ever done to make you think they would *not* deceive potential customers if it would bring them further into the CP cult?

  • Tsu Dho Nimh

    @Maggie – CollegePlus coaches the student through the on-line courses at a variety of colleges that do offer degrees.

    I checked their info on a couple of degrees I’m familiar with and it’s VERY sparse. Unless you can see the cirruculum and the course catalog, you can’t evaluate the degree.

    • http://TeamEagleRevolution.com Bryan Hart

      Check the degree info through TESC and Liberty university online. They are the accredited colleges that CollegePlus has partnered with.

  • Crazy Gal

    It’s not like going out for college automatically tears apart the family either. As a young woman starting at UCSD, my college choice was mainly about family. My story’s nothing new. I had always idealized a very different approach to higher education–closer discussion, tutoring (probably something more like what they offer at Oxford, not so much at UCSD even with an honors program), and the Socratic method if that’s at all possible to get, since I see experience and relationship as the hub of learning–I got accepted to a program like that, but chose to turn it down so that I could stay close to home, near my grandparents, in the event of an emergency. I think that was a rather family-centered choice. It seems to me that what makes the difference is the decisions you make as an individual. You can’t control what your parents or anyone else in authority will decide. (Who decided that 18 should be the drinking age, after all? That is pretty legalistic when you think about it.). If you must stay at home for college, but love to encounter and get to know new things, chances are that the rules can’t hurt you too much. If you are going to go to college, take the time to value relationships, to see past differences (rather than remain at the–’ooh. this is different and special. It’s so weird! ‘ or the ‘ohh it’s new, so it’s hip!’ stages) and into the heart of what people are really about. Get over the differences. Don’t let your status become your identity. Read good literature, take a philosophy or logic class, and have fun. After all, learning is as much about the individual student as it is about the context. Many see, but few observe. (Thank you, Holmes)

    • http://TeamEagleRevolution.com Bryan Hart

      Hey…are you drinking at age 18? That’s 21 where I come from. ^.^

      One benefit that CP promotes about their program is that it frees students up to be able to pursue their degree in any location in the world (with good internet). This allows students to take up longer term internship, missions, or other experiences. I know that we are planning on making this more a part of our program.

  • SueSue

    I know several students who are enrolled in CP and they all seem to fall into 3 areas:
    1. Daughters and Sons at home–either for the purposes of parental covering or financial.
    2. Dual Credit Homeschoolers. High School/College credit.
    3. Mid 20′s plus students looking to do SOMETHING that will get that degree.

    Some are super religious and conservative–some not so much so. I’m more concerned about just how the “degree” translates into real world careers and experiences.

    • http://www.collegeplus.org Adam Bell

      SueSue – that’s the real question isn’t it? ‘Sounds nice, but how well does it translate into a real world career, etc.?’ Granted, this link is from the CollegePlus website, but the stories are quite genuine and while certainly not the case across the board it does give a picture of what is achievable. (www.collegeplus.org/flipbook). According to research we conducted last year that compared job prospects of CP students vs their traditional Higher Ed peers, while the national average of graduates finding a job was roughly 56% (pretty well documented in national news), degree-earning CP grads were at 87% having either landed a job or started their own business. The conclusion probably shouldn’t be that CP is proven as superior in this regard, but should be enough to answer the general concern about whether or not it translates. Hope this helps in that regard.

  • Strawberrygreen

    As for the capability of homeschoolers to study at Oxford… I know one who did. After completing 10 APs in high school and getting a full ride to college, he participated in a study abroad program at Oxford.

    I know another homeschooled kid who placed 2nd last year in the National History Day competition, which has over 600,000 entries/year. She also placed 1st in the nation in the National Biblical Greek exam the same year.

    Statistically, homeschooled kids on average score higher on standardized testing than their public schooled counterparts… they average at the 85th percentile in national testing (Iowa and CAT tests), compared to 50th percentile for public school kids. You can find extensive links to studies here: http://www.nheri.org/research.html

    I’m an Ivy League grad myself (Princeton), and I have to say that the homeschooled kids I know are personable, mature, and excited about learning. I’ve been impressed by them.

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