The Harlot v. the Godly Woman

I just ran upon this image on facebook. It is from the website Dan’s Pulpit, and compares the “Harlot” to the “Godly Woman.” Have a look:

I was going to get all in depth examining all of the implications and issues involved here, but then I found myself short on time and thought instead I’d hand it over to you all to dissect. So, what do you think? What all is going on with this sort of contrast? If you spent time as an evangelical or fundamentalist, how have you seen this contrast between the Harlot and the Godly Woman presented?

About Libby Anne

Libby Anne grew up in a large evangelical homeschool family highly involved in the Christian Right. College turned her world upside down, and she is today an atheist, a feminist, and a progressive. She blogs about leaving religion, her experience with the Christian Patriarchy and Quiverfull movements, the detrimental effects of the "purity culture," the contradictions of conservative politics, and the importance of feminism.

  • AnotherOne

    Wow. Where to even start . . .

    • AnotherOne

      Although, it’s obvious times have changed, since during my childhood (30ish years ago) the image on the right could have been the harlot. I mean, she has makeup on. And high heels. And her clothes are tight (at least by comparison to what I would have been allowed to wear).

      • Stev84

        And why is her head uncovered?

        And if the harlot’s feet don’t stay at home, where is the godly woman walking to?

      • AnotherOne

        And in high heels! That can’t be good. She’s definitely got an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations and feet that be swift in running to mischief. (yeah boy can I still ever quote me some KJV Proverbs).

      • teglet

        Ah, but in high heels–you cannot run swift, whether to or from mischief.

      • Ellen

        Why, she’s walking to church, naturally! How can you even ask?

      • Brightie

        Church, of course! ;)

      • Christine

        While I was raised outside of the purity culture, I had a similar reaction to seeing that. She’s clearly dressing to look pretty, she’s wearing heels and makeup, looks like she’s done her hair, and despite what the caption says, doesn’t look like she has a “gentle and quiet spirit”.

      • Alice

        And her skirt is too short. :)

  • AnonaMiss

    Talk about your madonna/whore dichotomy…

    The main thing that leaps out at me is what a great design decision it was for the cartoonist to black out the “harlot’s” body. It appeals to the prurient imagination of the viewer, while also shielding the cartoonist from criticism of whether he went too far/not far enough (except to people for whom the lady on the right is ‘too far’).

    Also, apparently not staying at home makes you a harlot. Better let Debi and Bev know.

    • gimpi1

      Just what I was thinking, AnonaMiss. Madonna/whore all the way. That’s all we need, a whole new generation messed up by that nonsense. Training ground for rapists, anyone?

    • Sarah-Sophia

      But if you are poor, then staying at home makes you a welfare harlot.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy

      Dude, I’ve got a bad case of Madonna/Whore Dichotomy, and this is just too over-the-top even for me.

  • http://valuesfromscratch.blogspot.com/ Marian

    I’m mostly just focused on the weird ruffly-lace on the “Godly woman’s” sleeves and neck. It doesn’t really add to the modesty of the shirt, which would be modest with or without it. It does, however, infantilize the shirt a little bit. And I think, in far too many cases, “modesty” and “little girlishness” are synonyms in the evangelical culture. It’s like, to be a modest woman, you aren’t ever allowed to actually grow up.

    • Brightie

      I think that’s the artist’s attempt to portray “distinctly feminine.” ;)

    • Levedi

      I’m late to this conversation, but I have to agree. My mom spent years trying to make me hide my breasts. Finally I realized – my breasts are 3 dimensional and God given. Nothing, not even a burka, could actually hide them. I’m not immodest, I’m just an adult. If standing up straight and wearing clothes that aren’t tent shaped makes me slutty, then I give up trying not to be.

  • teglet

    I’m also interested in how short the Godly Woman’s hair is, because amongst my pentecostal sisters hair would be much, much longer. Also, she might be wearing cosmetics and I think that’s a bangle, neither of which would be permitted inside their church.

    But all that is nitpicking, really. The larger point is the control and policing of women, and I agree with the earlier commenter–never specifying the costume of the “harlot” is genius. That way, you fuel imagination, get to stay “pure”, and by never firmly defining harlotry you can thus move the goalposts of what constitutes harlotry in a heartbeat without having to explain away an inconvenient previous position.

    • Brightie

      Would that be United Pentecostal? Because Assemblies of God identifies as a kind of Pentecostal, and that outfit looks par for the course for my AG friends… sometimes you might even see a top that’s sleeveless or a bit v-necked, and longish skirts alternate with pants.

      • teglet

        I am…not sure. I just know Pentecostal, no more specifics. My sisters already completely disregard my wishes on not being evangelized to, so I try not to do anything that could be construed as an interest in going to their church. That being said, Assemblies of God doesn’t sound familiar, and I do know their church is really hardcore about MODEST CLOTHES and THOU SHALT NOT WEAR PANTS.

  • Composer 99

    That so-called “Godly” woman is – *gasp* – showing skin of her legs and feet!

    Whore of Babylon!

    Excuse me while I retire to my fainting couch to clutch pearls.

    • persephone

      The JWs I knew would not have approved of the “godly” woman’s hair and makeup, and probably not the white skirt (too easy to see through in the sun while going door to door). Definitely not the heart shirt, as it might imply the celebration of a holiday. And the heels are way too high to be going door to door.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy

      That so-called “Godly” woman is – *gasp* – showing skin of her legs and feet!

      Whore of Babylon!

      The Taliban would agree.
      That’s what the burka is for.

  • Scott_In_OH

    For some reason, I immediately wondered why the cartoonist made the “godly woman” blonde and the “harlot” brunette.

    And I felt about the heart on the blouse the same way Marian felt about the lace: it’s infantilizing.

    • Mira

      Blonde hair and blue eyes is the only RIGHT, and GODLY way to be, donchaknow.

      • Alice

        That’s why all the blond-hair, blue-eyes pictures of Jesus in children’s books exist.

    • Panda Rosa

      Maybe she’s a friend of still-missed comics icon Cathy? I won’t say relative, because unlike Cathy this woman does have a nose. :-)
      Cathy was Godly too, sort of, she would never ever wear revealing clothes in public, though that was more for her AACK!!! reaction than piety.

  • Yoav

    Sometimes there’s just not enough vomit in the world.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy

      I wound up with one of the biggest cases of Virgin/Whore dichotomy this side of the Taliban, and this is just TOO FAR for me!

  • http://musings.northerngrove.com/ JarredH

    One of the things that jumped out is the apparent happiness and health of the two women. It strikes me as once again a reinforcement of the notion that if you’re a godly woman, you’re guaranteed to be happy and healthy (and if you’re not happy and healthy, you must be doing something wrong), while all “harlots” are unhappy and in poor health (and if you think you’re happy and in good health, you’re just deluding yourself).

    And again, heaven forbid that a woman has a sense of personal power.

    • teglet

      Yeah, I noticed that too. Very stepford, if you ask me.

      • alwr

        Nope. Very prosperity gospel. Being a good Christian guarantees health, wealth and happiness.

  • eamonknight

    Is Harlot smoking a cigarette? ‘Cuz that’s a huge turnoff for me. And Madonna’s clothes, without exposing a lot of skin, are figure-flattering. IOW: making-your-point FAIL.
    Also: “LOUD!”? Can’t get more explicit about silencing than that, can we?

    • http://valuesfromscratch.blogspot.com/ Marian

      Yeah. I have a fairly loud voice naturally, and I can’t TELL you how many times my mother shamed me for it. I’m still extremely insecure about it, to the point where if someone asks me to speak more quietly (a legitimate request, as my natural timbre is just very loud, and sometimes can hurt people’s ears if they have hearing problems) I assume they hate me.

      • teglet

        I feel you there.

        Also I’m willing to bet that the Godly Woman has a merry soprano while the Harlot is probably a brooding contralto.

      • http://yllommormon.blogspot.com/ aletha

        Nah. It’s a smoker’s raspy bass. :D

      • teglet

        Ooh. Even better.

      • Joanna Marie

        I know exactly what you mean. Being “the loud one” has always been a source of discomfort for me. :/ And now it’s “ungodly”? >.<

      • Saraquill

        The loud business makes a lot of deaf people harlots by default.

    • Saraquill

      Eep, responded to the wrong person.

    • Sarah-Sophia

      I think by “loud” the author means being outspoken.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy

      Is Harlot smoking a cigarette? ‘Cuz that’s a huge turnoff for me.

      And sixty years ago, it would have been Normal.

  • Trollface McGee

    Harlots take their feet with them, while good girls remove their feet and attach a pair of gravy boats to their legs.

    But yay for more black and white “thinking.” Clearly you are either walking around high and naked or you go and buy your clothes from the juniors/tweens section (except for the gravy boats presumably) and walk around with a constant grin because if you stop smiling, you’re going to strangle everyone.

    She doesn’t really look that “modest” either. I mean, sure, we’re all modest compared to naked lady in flip-flops. But she’s got her hair done, nice make-up, her ankles are showing (the strumpet!), high heels, bright girly colours. All of that puts a lot of attention on her looks – not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • luckyducky

      Ha! “walk around with a constant grin because if you stop smiling, you’re going to strangle everyone.”

      I have a “friend” who on FB is constantly praising Jesus and being so very thankful for her blessings and extolling all us to be positive and grateful. While I am all for cultivating a spirit of gratitude (to whom/what I don’t care, I think we’re all just happier, kinder people when we appreciate what we’ve been lucky be the recipients of), I cannot help but feel like this is a overacting and that she’s afraid that if she were to admit to the occasional disappointment or frustration the whole thing would fall apart on her. Plus, I want to gag every time I see here praising Jesus for the sale of their house, the perfect parking spot, and other absurdities, not to mention the HTT crap about *gasp* not believing the smutty movies she watched as a teen — smutty being anything hinting at pre/extra-marital sex, drugs, nudity, etc.

      Also, please explain the gravy boats!

      • The_L1985

        The high heels in the comic above look more like gravy boats than shoes.

      • Trollface McGee

        I don’t know..it’s something about the way those shoes are drawn.. a real foot wouldn’t fit in there.

      • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

        Question — what does HTT stand for?

      • Lunch meat

        I’m guessing “holier than thou.”

      • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

        Oh. Derp.

      • gimpi1

        I understand the irritation for your FB buddy. I, personally, think that if Jesus is truly all-powerful and involved with the world, wouldn’t saving the lives of starving children or preventing airplane crashes or train derailments take priority?

        The “I’m the center of the universe” idea some groups seem to have is a bit crazy-making.

      • Kate Monster

        I’m more annoyed at the ones that give God credit for their own success. “Passed the exam. God be praised!” “Getting promoted. God is truly great!” No, YOU passed that test! You worked hard and studied and it paid off. YOU earned that promotion by being a great employee. God didn’t possess your body, march into your boss’s office, demand a pay raise and assistant managership, then leave you confused and spinning around in your desk chair afterwards.

      • The Other Weirdo

        It’s also quite self-centred and egotistical. “The infinite, omnipotent, omniscient creator has favoured me, above all other students at the school and allowed me to pass my exam.” That other students also passed the same exam doesn’t seem to trigger any sort of self-examination.

      • SkyknightXi

        I wonder what it would take to convince such ones that no, God is NOT a sorceror…

      • Headless Unicorn Guy

        I want to gag every time I see here praising Jesus for the sale of their house, the perfect parking spot, and other absurdities…

        Like God Almighty has nothing better/else to do than make sure she’s never personally inconvenienced in the slightest.
        In religion, the supernatural powers are the one in charge.
        In Magick, the mortal sorcerer is in charge and the supernatural powers serve the mortal.

  • dj_pomegranate

    Two things stand out to me:

    –Jewelry. Hoops and bangles vs. discreet, tiny bracelet. Jewelry is something that obviously (to most of us, anyway) comes down to personal taste but can often be interpreted in a cultural way. Ie. I’ve heard people say things like, “Hoop earrings aren’t appropriate” and “Don’t wear too much jewelry, it makes you look like a tramp.” etc. But these opinions just come down to culture, plain and simple. The woman on the right isn’t an image of a “godly woman”–it’s an image that tries to capture a specific culture’s ideas of appropriate ways to express femaleness.

    –Smile. The “godly woman’s” smile is lighting up the room! How lovely. But of course, godly women ALWAYS smile. There is nothing to be sad about. And even if she’s sad, she knows to cover it up.

    (Honestly, the “harlot” looks like she would be a lot more fun to talk to. She would tell it like it is, while the “godly woman” looks like someone who would probably spend the conversation reminding you to “Let go and let God!”)

    • Jolie

      That’s quite interesting- I was making this point a while ago (in the post with Duggars photos and how they dress) seeing that I had a long denim skirt which looked exactly like what one of the Duggar girls were wearing.
      Suppose you see a girl wearing an ankle-lenght denim skirt with a baggy sweater over a collared shirt, plain loafers, white socks and no jewelery except maybe a purity ring. You would be likely to assume her to be religious in the traditional sense and socially conservative; you would expect that she probably waits until marriage, asks for her father’s approval for boys to date/court her and is opposed to gay rights; that she never drink alcohol and doesn’t dance.
      Now suppose you see another girl wearing the same skirt with a knitted poncho, straw-wedge espadrilles, a flower headband, a lot of bangles/beaded bracelets/plaited bracelets and dangling earrings. Her clothes are not in any way more revealing than the first girl’s in terms of amount of skin shown or tightness; however, you “read” her outfit completely differently: you would be likely to assume that she is “a hippie”: probably spiritual, but not religious in the traditional sense and socially liberal; she’s probably gay-friendly, may or may not be monogamous/poly/straight/bi/lesbian but she probably enjoys exploring her own sexuality in a variety of ways; you would think her the kind of person who backpacks through Europe, plays guitar and loves rock music.

      Makes you think ;)

      • gimpi1

        Indeed. Well done.

        Clothes, jewelry, make-up and such only mean what we think they mean. When we stop assuming things about people based on the way they look, a whole world can open up.

    • Nancy Shrew

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the “hoop earrings are inappropriate” had to do with their popularity amongst black and Latina girls/women.

      • Katherine Hompes

        Also gypsies.

      • shortcake

        I’m black, and growing up, I wasn’t allowed to wear hoop earrings any bigger than a dime. A quarter was pushing it, when I hit my teenage years.
        It was consider being “fast.”
        To this day, I still have no idea how earring correlate to supposed promiscuity.

      • The_L1985

        Indeed. I was forbidden from wearing hoop earrings bigger than a nickel at my first job–but that was entirely for safety reasons. (I’ve seen people with earlobes torn from a caught hoop earring.)

      • Nancy Shrew

        Yeah, arbitrary “rules” like that are pretty strange. I remember when I was about five or so I couldn’t paint my nails red because that color was “inappropriate” for my age.

      • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

        Whaaaaat. That’s, like, the age where you can get away with crazy bright stuff like that!

  • The Other Weirdo

    Are there really no points in between these two extremes?

    • http://musings.northerngrove.com/ JarredH

      Personally, I have a problem with even painting these as legitimate “extremes.” I have yet to see anyone use “harlot” in this kind of context to mean anything other than “a woman who has more sex than I think is appropriate and/or has the kind of sex I don’t approve of.” That kind of thinking doesn’t sit well with me at all.

    • Stev84

      Religious fundamentalists always think in extremes. No matter the topic.

      • The Other Weirdo

        Only the Sith speak in absolutes.

      • Headless Unicorn Guy

        Which Jedi statement is itself speaking in absolutes.

      • The Other Weirdo

        I also seem to remember Yoda telling Luke, “No, no, there is no ‘why’” and also “Do or do not, there is no try.” Those statements, too, were absolutist to the core.

  • teglet

    Also one more thing…

    Every time I hear people go on and on about the SINFULNESS of pants or those tight miniskirts with fishnets!!! I have to bite my tongue in order to avoid pointing out that so far as clothes that make it easy to have quickies go, probably the best clothes are loose skirts and panties (socks optional). Pants and tight skirts and hose, not so much with the easy accessibility…

    • luckyducky

      I cannot remember where I read it but someone made that observation about medieval/Renaissance European dress and how the Scots expedited it further by putting the men in kilts — no underwear at all!

    • http://aztecqueen2000.blogspot.com/ AztecQueen2000

      I’ve thought that many times.

  • LadyCricket

    What’s “brazen” about the harlot’s face? She looks stoned. Is it considered “brazen” to have a facial expression not registering ecstasy?

    • LadyCricket

      And now I’m thinking that the godly woman is on ecstasy. Ah, puns.

      • Nancy Shrew

        Or mother’s little helpers.

  • tulips

    Ah, I’ve got it now. Wealth and class status = godliness. So glad that’s cleared up once and for all. Yet…conundrum. The quiverfull lifestyle is more likely to deliver the “look” to the left minus the smoking and jewelry.

    • http://yllommormon.blogspot.com/ aletha

      Plus if it were authentic, the “Godly” woman would be 8 1/2 months pregnant, wearing a baby on her back, and have 4 or 5 little blessings all around her.

      • http://aztecqueen2000.blogspot.com/ AztecQueen2000

        Not if she’s still waiting for Daddy to find the perfect husband for her.

      • Kate Monster

        No, if you’re a Godly woman, your body remains pristine throughout pregnancy, undergoing absolutely no untoward changes at all. You just get a cute little bump the last month, so that the outside world can truly see that you’ve defiled your maidenhood, but then 10-15 days after birth, you’re back in shape in order to more fully please your husband.

      • Mira

        And when genetics kicks in and she’s permanently a different shape, because she was never meant to have more than one child (if any–it’s true, some people really aren’t built for babies), the hubbykins makes up reasons for why she’s not godly enough, abuses her, then eventually leaves her with the church’s blessing.

  • http://exploringthejungle.wordpress.com/ Kat

    If this is all supposed to be about how you dress, why does the explanatory text say virtually nothing about clothing? “Gentle and quiet spirit”? “Reverent behavior”? Trying going into a clothing store and asking for help finding clothing based on those things. See if you get anything other than a blank stare or “huh?”

    Also, the flip flops seem a little incongruous with all the extravagant jewelry. Maybe the rest of the outfit somehow pulls it all together? I guess I’ll never know, and I’ll have to figure out how to dress like a harlot all by myself. Fine. *grumbles about picture not adequately providing the assistance advertised*

    • realinterrobang

      Yeah, it’s really interesting to me that the “Harlot” is wearing flat shoes and the “Godly Woman” is wearing heels (well, high-heeled gravy boats). Aren’t flat shoes supposed to be more modest?

      Then again, my experience with a “modesty” culture is in Jerusalem, and pretty much *nobody* wears heels in Jerusalem — uneven stone streets, lots of walking, and big hills aren’t high-heel friendly. Israelis may be crazy, but they’re not *that* kind of crazy.

    • Brightie

      Why, didn’t you know that when you go to the clothing store you’re just supposed to clone the fashion sense of your pastor’s wife and the wives of the three most prominent members of the church board? *wide-eyed innocence*

  • Alan(UK)

    Once upon a time a gang of men raped a girl and left her for dead by the road-side. In the morning, along came a Godly Woman and seeing the girl was not wearing a wedding ring and had a short skirt, passed by on the other side. Another Godly Woman, blaming the girl for drinking and being out late, also passed by on the other side. Then along came a harlot…

    But then you know the rest of the story. The trouble is, both of the Godly Women know the rest of the story and have had it explained in detail hundreds of times.

    • Monimonika

      Why can’t I give you more than one upvote!? I need to use a second browser… brb
      Edit: Upvoted again as guest. You deserve it!

    • gimpi1

      Totally perfect, Alan. 100%. I also wish I could up-vote this more than once!

    • Kellen Connor

      Agreed. All of the up-votes for you.

    • Sarah-Sophia

      What did the harlot do?

      • Nate Frein

        Probably something like what Melody describes below.

      • Katherine Hompes

        In my head I see the scenario- the “harlot” rushes over, drops to her knees, and the first words out of her mouth are “Oh, honey”

      • Panda Rosa

        AYE-men, sister!

  • BobaFuct

    Funny, the harlot has “feet that do not stay at home” yet is wearing flip-flops, which are typical around-the-house footwear, while the godly woman wears heels. When was the last time you saw a woman chilling at home in heels?

    • onamission5

      Stole the words right outta my mouth!

      edit: Not to mention, heels (and lace! and a heart on her boobs! scandal!) are not so much godly or modest as they are “whorish” and vain. She obviously cares more about her appearance than she does about god. Just lookit all that pride, it fairly radiates off her face! A really godly woman would be much more demure. Maybe a small smile, eyes cast upward toward heaven or downward toward her feet, ear cocked so she can hear her husband’s wisdom.

    • Pam

      The 1950s? And flip-flops are everywhere wear to me, but then again I’m Australian.

      • Petticoat Philosopher

        The TV 1950s. I’m pretty sure neither of my grandmothers ever did housework in heels.

        Honestly, I don’t get how heels fit into “godliness.” They are impractical and uncomfortable and their only purpose is fashion. Wouldn’t that be vanity? On the other hand, what could be more “biblical” than sandals?! Not surprisingly, there’s a heavy dose of Male Gaze in this idea of godliness. The artist has clearly taken what he finds attractive–the WASP look, I guess–and decided that that=godly womanhood. Whatever.

      • The_L1985

        This is the constant paradox of “modest” dress. Covering up more of yourself to be “modest” becomes a source of pride. Oops!

      • Headless Unicorn Guy

        Hence the burka.

      • smrnda

        I thought you called them “thongs” in Australia? (I’m guessing if so, you’re translating as most of us here live Stateside.)

        Flip flops are pretty standard attire in warm weather in the States. I’d argue they’re probably much more modest than heels since I don’t think flip-flops have ever had much of a ‘sexy’ connotation, being basically shoes you slap on and buy for a few dollars.

        I actually knew someone who only wore flip flops inside, as they preferred to go barefoot, but bare feet are banned from some locations.

      • Mogg

        Normally they’re called thongs, but flip-flops is an acceptable alternative term these days. I rarely wear them myself – I’m in one of those parts of Oz where good sturdy leather boots are appropriate footwear right now along with a harlot outfit consisting of terribly immodest jeans, jumper, scarf and jacket, and I find flip flops/thongs rather uncomfortable due to the toe-clawing effect.

    • Heidi

      I think the artist is trying to portray what a woman would wear to church, in the godly woman picture.

      • The_L1985

        That always bugged me. My parents made a big deal out of the fact that Real Ladies wear skirts to church, or at least nice slacks. Girls who wore jeans, T-shirts, and/or tank tops to church were considered to somehow be less Godly. As if one can’t be respectful in everyday clothes.

      • Hilary

        Oy. That would drive me nuts. Did it matter what you where going to church for? I mean, did you have to dress the same for Sunday school classes as you did for Mass?

      • The_L1985

        Er, CCD/PSR was always immediately before/after Mass, so it wasn’t like we had time to change. Now, on Wednesday night Confirmation classes we were allowed to stay in our jeans, but that was different, for some unnamed reason.

      • shortcake

        Oh, man. I relate to this so much.
        Pants weren’t even allowed at my church until about 2005. Even then, I wasn’t allowed to wear pants, because it was “disrespectful.”

      • onamission5

        My folks went to far as to insist– well into high school– that we girls wore skirts to school no less than three days a week. Not with pantyhose or dress shoes, mind you, nor were we allowed to shave our legs before the age of 15. I had to wear my dresses with boy’s tube socks and sensible nurse’s shoes. In the 1980′s. When I was 13 years old.

      • Sarah-Sophia

        When I was going to church I would wear dress pants but short skirts was definitely not allowed.

    • Sophie

      I’m another one who wears flip-flops outside, I wear bare feet inside! Or slippers when it’s cold.

  • AAAtheist

    So much cognitive dissonance, so little time …

    It strikes me that, in terms of framing, the “Godly” woman comes off as “loud” by the four points emphasizing her “godliness”, the bright colors, the prominent display of her bible, and her cheery disposition (“No one could be more feminine and submissive than me, don’t you agree?”), while the so-called “harlot” seems more naturally gentle and quiet, with the subdued color palette, her heavy-lidded eyes, and her bored expression. (“I’m soooo baked. I need to take a nap.”)

    Also, that “censored” stripe functions as a metaphorical burka, drawing more attention to her body and supposed harlotry than her actual body ever could.

    I’m almost positive Mr. Nuckols didn’t mean for his cartoon to function as satire, but it totally does.

  • Niemand

    It’s not often that it gets put out there this overtly, but it looks to me like this is an overt endorsement of slavery for women: women must “stay home” or be a “harlot”. No independence for you, ladies!

    • Brightie

      I’m pretty sure that line was trying to quote Proverbs.

  • Lunch Meat

    What I notice is that despite their attempt to proof-text, the Bible doesn’t actually say anything about what specifically people should wear. Deut. 22:5 says “women shouldn’t wear men’s clothes and men shouldn’t wear women’s,” but that’s so obviously culturally based–who can say that jeans are “men’s clothes,” given that nearly everyone wears them now? 1 Tim. 2:9 says be modest, but the only specifics are “don’t braid your hair or wear jewelry.” It doesn’t say anything about spaghetti straps or bare midriffs or miniskirts. Spirit, heart, and behavior–none of those are about clothing. Although they are trying to tell people specifically how to dress, the fact is that the scriptures they’re citing say that what you wear is less important than how you act, that godliness is on the inside and you can’t tell from what’s on the outside whether someone’s a “harlot” or not. Godly women aren’t supposed to worry about if they’re dressing “correctly” for people’s approval, whether that approval comes from men or from tribal gatekeepers.

    Also, I’m assuming they use the word “harlot” only because they’re not allowed to say “slut.”

    • BobaFuct

      I think the bible says something about not causing weaker Christians to stumble…so in order to cater to the lowest possible common denominator, women better cover the fuck up, because some dude, somewhere out there, might get a boner when he sees a woman’s shoulders. If you take that to its logical extreme, you basically get the Taliban, but modern Christians sort of arbitrarily draw their modesty “stumble” line somewhere between “1950s TV show” and the Victorian age.

      • Arielle

        That ‘weaker brother’ crap is one of the most misused portions of the Bible. The only way it can be used to apply to modesty, at all, is if one Christian woman dressed ‘immodestly’ by another Christian woman’s standards, and the second Christian woman started dressing in a fashion she believed was sinful, thus ‘sinning against her own conscience.’

        But I’ve yet to run into any Christian women that believe in ‘modesty’ that abandon it and start wearing clothing they believe is ‘immodest’ based on what they see other Christian women wearing.

      • Lunch Meat

        Well, men need to stop paying attention to me, because it’s tempting me to sin by thinking about my appearance and wearing immodest clothing, so there!

    • Sophie

      What’s immodest about braiding your hair? Seriously you are meant to manage a home and a dozen children with your hair in your face?

      • Lunch Meat

        I’m no scholar, so take this with a grain of salt, but as I understand it the connotation of braids in that time was the fancy arrangements with interweaving braids and pearls and whatnot. Not a simple braid to keep your hair out of your face.

      • Christine

        There were a lot of cultures where married women simply cut their hair shorter, and wore a scarf of some kind over it. It takes less time & effort to do that.

      • Lucreza Borgia

        Hair for women in ancient Greek and Roman culture was extremely elaborate in the upper-classes. We are not talking a single braid, but multitudes as well as hairstyles that had to be stitched into place. Lower class women emulated them as much as possible. The one thing that these hairstyles conveyed tho, was wealth and Paul was very much against wealth! These links might give you an idea of what I am talking about:

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/22/ancient-roman-hair-janet-stephens_n_2925152.html

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_hairstyles

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Roman_hairstyle

      • Sophie

        Thank you, that was really interesting.

  • Rubyfruit

    I grew up Evangelical. Yeah, the contrast between a Proper Godly Woman and an Evil Worldly Harlot (But this was presented to me in youth group, so the word “harlot” wasn’t used in an attempt on the youth pastors’ part to be cool) was presented to me sort of like this. But then, I was never really able to meet both the standard of femininity and the standard of modesty.

    And of course, the Godly Woman is blonde, whilst the Harlot is brunette. Like some other people have said, the Harlot looks to be better company…and is she wearing, like… a t-shirt and shorts under the censor bar? That’s what I like to imagine; my old youth pastor used to rail against girls wearing shorts because they placed emphasis on the butt and thus incited lust in men. Or something.

    • Ahab

      Sounds like that pastor had some issues with his own sexuality.

  • Abby Normal

    Ugh. So much is wrong with both those pictures, but how about the shear boneheaded stupidity of making “godliness” something that’s based on appearance? By this moron’s estimation, a “godly” woman is supposed to look more like Tammy Fae Bakker than Mother Teresa (who left her home in flip-flops all the time, that hussy!)

    • Kate Monster

      Well, she WAS one of those nasty Catholics…

    • Panda Rosa

      Mother Teresa as a hussy? Now I’m breaking down in a helpless case of the giggles.

  • CarysBirch

    I know it’s been mentioned before in the comments, but the first thing that struck me was how very very white and blonde the “godly woman” is. It’s a very white middle class American mega church picture of godliness.

    Doesn’t even resonate in some posts of the US. In rural Maine, where I grew up, my mother would have called sometime dressed like that “a mall woman” (someone with a lot of money to spend on clothes and grooming and time to travel the long distances to reach the high end clothing stores). It would have meant vanity to my mother. Later when I was in mega church culture in the Midwest, the same look would have meant modesty and respect for a husband (she “maintains”her appearance to stay attractive for him, because it can’t have anything to so with her own motives).

  • smrnda

    The godly woman’s huge, fake gigantic smile looks a bit creepy to me – my first thought was of the Joker, or someone trying to sell me something.

    • Petticoat Philosopher

      haha, yeah, I thought “toothpaste commercial,” “token game show chick,” or “Jesus Barbie.” I’m sure I’ll think of more. The manic grin is terrifying.

      • Ahab

        “Jesus Barbie” — I LOVE IT!

  • MyOwnPerson

    Is this why all Baptist women dye their hair blonde?

    • Brightie

      They do?

  • brbr2424

    I didn’t know harlots wear flip flops and godly women wear pumps.

    • Kate Monster

      Yep. It’s all written out very clearly in the handbook.

  • Mira

    …Feet that should stay at home? wat.

    • onamission5

      Apparently, you’re supposed to replace your feet with gravy boats, should the urge to leave the house strike you.

  • jasondick

    Not much to say, other than the woman on the right is a dead ringer for the character Sarah Newlin on True Blood.

    Sarah Newlin, in the show, is a very bigoted and hypocritical woman who tries to present a facade of purity and godliness. She comes up with excuses to cheat on her husband, and wants to run a campaign to exterminate all vampires (vampires, in the show, are largely an allegory for homosexuals, complete with slogan, “God hates fangs”).

    • Katherine Hompes

      Yes! I totally got the Sarah Newlin vibe!

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    So…godly women are blindingly white and blond and wear pastels and heels at all times. Harlots are darker, where Big Hoop Earrings (and other fashions that could be described as *ahem* urban…) and comfortable shoes. Hussies! Oh, and they have “brazen faces.” I don’t quite know what that means but I guess means faces that aren’t frozen in the expression of an overzealous Miss America contestant on speed.

    Got it!

    • BobaFuct

      Like such as…

      • Petticoat Philosopher

        I…don’t understand this question.

      • http://www.brittanyannwick.wordpress.com/ BookishBeemer

        I think he’s quoting the Miss Teen America contestant a few years back:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

      • Petticoat Philosopher

        LOL! Ah yes, I forgot about that video!

  • Nicole Resweber

    Ugh, but seriously y’all, WHERE can you find those big black “censored” rectangles? I’ve been to six malls and three Wal-Marts trying to find my appropriate harlot uniform!

    • BobaFuct

      Wal-Mart only sells “Jesus approved” apparel. Try Ann Taylor.

      • oywiththepoodles

        *But you do not have to be WEARING “Jesus approved” apparel to shop at WalMart. (Source: peopleofwalmart dot com)

  • Ahab

    It definitely dehumanizes women who don’t conform to what fundamentalists consider “modest”. All human beings deserve to be taken seriously and respected, including those with “brazen” faces and “feet that do not stay at home”.

  • Hilary

    Looking at the Godly woman again – I’d like to take her home. Get her out of those shoes and into some comfy slippers, because her heels and toes must be hurting. Let her wash the makeup off in the bathroom, maybe even shower off all the gel in her hair. Strip out of her polyester clothes and into a comfortable worn dressing gown. I’d ease the bible out of her death grip, and let her curl up on the couch in a slightly messy but comfortably mis-matched sun room. She’s not alergic to cats, because I’ve 3 that will sniff her out and curl up with her, including my black panther Cody who will flirt with anything, male or female. I might hand her a wand with a dangly cat toy, or a few choice books I’d like to put in her hands.

    And just. let. her. breathe. With nobody judging her, looking at her, or ‘holding her accountable.’ I can put some quiet music on, and make dinner, spagetti with ice cream and apple crisp for dessert. Maybe by then the fake smile will come off, and somebody human will show up underneath. Maybe I could get “The Dance of Anger” by Harriet Lerner into her hands, or not be able to get “The Lesbian Kama Sutra” out of her hands.

    And then . . . I’d hand her an iPad with this blog, and Rachel Held Evens, book marked for her to lurk through, while I got the dishes washed. And we would see what type of human being would come out of that.
    Hilary

    • E.R.A. Triano

      Yes, Rachel Held Evans ! you’re an angel, Hilary

      • Hilary

        Thanks, and thanks to everybody for all the up votes. It’s just that after hanging around here for so long, I can’t help but wonder how much pain and suppressed self is behind the plastic Barbie for Jesus smile. For all we know, she’s had that smile beaten into her literally before she could walk. Yes I know this is just some artist’s fetish about what he thinks these type of women should look like, but still, if she was a real woman, that might very well be the case.

        As for the harlot – I’d have her over, let her put up her feet, watch TV or play with the cats, and share some dinner. She looks like she’s had a long day on her feet at some crappy job for crappy pay. I don’t think she looks brazen or slutty, just tired. That lollypop she’s sucking on could be the only thing she’s had after an 8 hour shift at Walmart for all I know.

        Everybody who knows me IRL knows I like to feed people good food, and that I feed stray cats. Because they are cats, and by the very virtue of being cats I think they are worth feeding, with a scratch behind the ears and head rub. I wish I could invite half the people here regularly over for dinner sometimes.

      • gimpi1

        I’d take you up on that. I’ll even bring dessert! I bake a mean french apple pie.

      • Liz

        You are the sweetest person :-) I’m a mama bear too and I love to feed people :-)

    • luckyducky

      It is so obvious that a man was responsible for the illustration… because men, particularly men who revel in strict gender roles are blissfully ignorant of the time and expense it takes to get that “natural” glow.

      I would not be at all surprised if Pulpit thought the highly polished though relatively modestly dressed woman simply rolled out of bed, showered, brushed her hair (possibly blew out her hair… to keep from catching a cold), and that was that. It takes some willful ignorance but then again there are all those 1930s-1950s era “marital advice” columns that advise waking far earlier than your spouse so he never sees you not made up*. I assume Pulpit is married and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mrs. followed said advice. It isn’t “don’t wear make up and try to look pretty,” it is “don’t be obvious about wearing make up and trying to look pretty.”

      *I’ve never understood how those who suggest this thinks this would work over decades of marriage — never over sleeping, never getting sick, never waking up in the middle of the night because of a strange noise of some midnight nookie… I am absolutely certain that intimacy – not just physical – would suffer though I don’t think that was ever the goal of those advice writers.

      • luckyducky

        Grrr…. I misread the names. It is Dan feature Nuckols’ cartoon on his blog “Dan’s Pulpit” (I thought that was a rather too convenient last name) and the cartoonist is Nuckols… it doesn’t materially affect my conjecture.

      • Christine Vezina

        They’d have to be like my boyfriend’s mother and spend about 3 hours a day in the bathroom, mid-afternoon, applying waterproof makeup to wear to bed.
        I suspect my BF’s annoyance with me wearing make up is directly related to this nonsense.

    • gimpi1

      What a nice idea, Hilary. With any luck, you could find a real person, not a plastic doll. I’m sure the actual, living woman would be a much better dinner-companion than Evangelical Barbie. You’re a sweetie! Well done.

  • LadyCricket

    Seriously though… minus the cigarette, Harlot looks positively mousy, while Godly Woman apparently gets her fashion advice from the cast of Mean Girls.

    • NeaDods

      Yeah, funny how someone who’d be considered a tart in other circumstances is now the good girl.

      • LadyCricket

        Not just that; between the two of them, it’s the Godly Woman who gives off the impression of “Look at Me!!!!!” while HarlotMouse actually seems to be holding on to her censor box, like she’s hiding herself.

      • LadyCricket

        Seriously, I could talk about this forever if I don’t stop myself. Godly Woman isn’t modest, she’s just the kind of tarted up that the artist LIKES. She sure as hell spent more time on her hair! And despite the Harlot’s thick red lipstick, Godly Woman appears to be the more made-up of the two as well. And what kind of woman only likes Valentine’s colors, hearts and lace into her adulthood? She seems to have specifically chosen those fashions in order to appear as harmless, as girlish, as saccharine as possible, regardless of her own taste, and while the artist has lazily copped out of showing the extent of Harlot’s harlotry, the flipflops suggest someone who dresses for comfort without care for fashion. Wouldn’t a really slutty woman wear stripper boots or something? I know we’re supposed to imagine she’s near-naked under the censor box, but I can only really imagine her in a loose T-shirt and denim shorts.

        I suppose I’m ranting like this because I feel a bit personally offended, and I suppose I feel a bit personally offended because I resemble the slu- “harlot” in this picture way more than the “godly woman”, and I’m an introverted, depression-suffering, conflict-avoiding, glasses-wearing, petite brunette nerd with lots of acne scars and slightly more body hair than average; a physical and emotional virgin at 21 who cannot bring herself to swear, even after 2 years as an atheist. But I don’t appeal to Dan Nuckols’ little fetish, so I suppose I’m a filthy slut, or possibly a frumpy dyke. Eff you too, Dan Nuckols.

        …Okay, I’ll shut up now. It’s high time I got outside anyway.

      • Carolina

        Your last paragraph it’s me all the way :O, minus the glasses, that I’ll be needing soon

      • Hilary

        Never, ever shut yourself up. Sometimes it’s the better part of wisdom to listen rather then talk, but you should never silence yourself. Rant all you want here, we like it!

      • NeaDods

        I think she’s holding onto it to hold herself up. From the look on her face, she needs an aspirin and a glass of water, not to be loud!

  • bunsof…aka Heidi

    first thought: they have the verses about the Harlot all coming from the same chapter in the OT, and the Godly woman’s verses are scattered throughout OT and NT. Is there one place in the Bible that describes the godly woman? Or, can we find passages scattered throughout the Bible, describing the harlot?

  • nell2

    Does the godly woman have her breasts bound? She has the chest of a pre-pubescent girl.

    • The_L1985

      Probably another good example of the feminine = infantilized idea this subculture has going on.

    • Petticoat Philosopher

      True, she’s not drawn to be busty but some women just have naturally small breasts. And while it does speak to how this guy views women’s bodies that he draws a “modest” woman as being small-chested, let’s not let modesty-bashing become body-bashing.

      • http://exploringthejungle.wordpress.com/ Kat

        Agreed on the no body-bashing, but I have personally encountered men in this subculture who think big breasts = slutty, regardless of actual behavior or dress. Apparently a “good girl” is supposed to just will them to stop growing past a certain size. Then again, considering how little these men often know about biology, particularly with regard to women, I guess I shouldn’t be too shocked that they think this is possible.

      • KristinMuH

        Well, clearly – the female body has a way of shutting that down, dontchaknow.

      • http://abasketcase.blogspot.com/ Basketcase

        Yep, I didn’t find out till after I left the church, but the main reason I didn’t get any interest from guys was because my chest was too big and I didn’t look like enough of a good girl because I didn’t dress in a tent to hide it.
        And this from university-educated evangelicals. All my still-good-little-christian female friends I still have are smaller chested by far. Damn biology.

      • nell2

        No body-bashing toward small-breasted women was intended or implied.

        My comment was meant to convey that, in addition to all the other stereotypes of the “Godly woman” this artist depicts, no discernible bosom is also among the traits that renders a woman godly in his view. Even most small-breasted women, wearing a shirt as form-fitting as the one shown, would show evidence of having developed breasts. No one else had mentioned it, so I thought I would.

    • RowanVT

      My mother, until she had her first child at 20, could barely wear a training bra.

      Not all women have boobs big enough they can’t see their feet when they look down.

      • gimpi1

        I haven’t seen my feet since I went through puberty, Rowan. It’s not as much fun as some people think. Bra-straps can hurt!

        I think the idea being objected to is that a physical characteristic can tell you anything about a person’s character.

        I have to say, back in my young-and-beautiful days, I had the misfortune to know a few men who assumed that I was “easy” pretty much based on my being well-endowed. Weather or not that runs through the Fundamentalist-Quiverfull sub-culture, I can’t say. And, since I’m a long way from my young-and-beautiful days, I’ll never find out. What a relief!

      • RowanVT

        Don’t I know it. >_< I'm a D at least. I miss being able to see my feet, or lean against a counter. These things just get in the way! D:

        And don't even get me started on bra straps. I usually just stick with a sports bra or go bra-less.

  • Saraquill

    Well, I’m in trouble. Since I leave the house on a regular basis to work, visit family, and buy groceries, I’m indecent. Even worse, my hearing is such that my voice is constantly loud. Clearly I am shameless.

  • Whirlwitch

    First thing that struck me was the shoes. Those “Godly” heels are what actual sex workers wear, never mind run-of-the-mill “harloty” women. By contrast, I have seen pictures of fundagelical women at home wearing…flip flops!

    The man who drew this knows diddly-squat about actual women’s attire. I suspect the fact that “Godly” with her truly frightening smile looks like a Stepford wife is also way beyond his grasp. He’s just put everything he approves of in women on Godly, and everything he doesn’t like in women on Harlot, which may actually explain the censor block, because how would he draw a sexy appearance he doesn’t secretly like?

    The cartoon says a lot more about the cartoonist and how he views women then it says about women. I doubt Mr. Nuckols intended that.

    Also, carrying a Bible does NOT indicate “reverent behaviour”. And a “gentle and quiet spirit” is not indicated by a pink top or lacy sleeves or whatever that little line is supposed to be pointing at. There are actual Bible verses about how outer appearance does not reveal inner character, and having “a form of godliness” – like, say, carrying around a big Bible – does not equate to actual reverence.

    • TLC

      That’s what I thought too. For example, from Samuel 1:16: “But the Lord said to Samuel, ‘Don’t judge by his appearance or height, for I have rejected him. The Lord doesn’t see things the way you see them. People judge by outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.’ ”

      I’ve known too many “perfectly dressed” Christians who were only playing the part. And I’ll never forget the day at the United Pentecostal Church I attended when I found out all their rules about dress. I looked at the pastor and said, “I’ve had a hard enough time being accepted in these churches because I’m divorced. And now you’re going to tell me that you won’t accept me because of my appearance? ” I walked out and never went back. But I still love the look of shock and horror on his face because a mere woman had challenged him!

  • KristinMuH

    The godly woman looks like Rexella Van Impe. The harlot…maybe 1980s Cher?

    Two great Cher movies from the 80s: “Moonstruck” and “Mermaids”. I’d much rather hang out with her than dear old Rexella and Jack, what with their always predicting the apocalypse and it never happening.

  • LizBert

    Guys, I’m really worried that I have a brazen face. Is there a way to know for sure?

    • Lunch Meat

      Does your face make eye contact with guys who are not your husband? Does your mouth talk back to the manly men in authority, or flirt? If so, then yes, I’m afraid it’s brazen. There’s no cure. I’m so sorry.

      • LizBert

        Damnit, are you sure that I can’t fix it by bleaching my hair and wearing too much blush?

    • Katherine Hompes

      Looks more like “bitchy resting face” to me. In which case, I am definitely a harlot…

      • Rilian Sharp

        god I hate that term and the concept. You don’t eternally have a smile on your face therefore you are a douche/jerk/bitch.

      • AlisonCummins

        I’m with you on that one, sister.

  • KristinMuH

    Anyway, to be serious? I didn’t grow up in the evangelical purity subculture – I was raised in a liberal Catholic environment, so I don’t have personal experience with this stereotype. This cartoon makes crystal clear to me that dressing like a “godly woman” is really about projecting a very specific type of white, cis, middle-class, suburban femininity. Because there is only one very circumscribed way of being a woman, and it involves teased blond hair and some very uncomfortable-looking shoes. (I think the gravy boat aspect is just bad drawing.)

    • Rilian Sharp

      gravy boat?

  • bmorejoe

    y’know depending on where this was posted I would take it as total sarcasm. I assume it is not intended so. Ew. But I think things are past this discussion. It is action time. Those still unpersuaded are not going to be. Keeping them happy is not worth the cost. IMO.

  • Limeade

    I’m not familiar with this guy- is he serious, or is this just convincing satire(like Landover Baptist, Christwire, etc)?

    • Christine

      I looked at his site where Libby linked to it. It went the “too over-the-top to be serious. Wait, no, it’s too over-the-top to be satire.” route in my head.

  • E.R.A. Triano

    yeah, well, as a brunette I guess I am doomed…. because we all know that every blonde in NY was made that way by God… lol, this almost isn’t worth commenting on except that some people will actually be taking it seriously! omg

    • Petticoat Philosopher

      What about me? I’m a redhead! Does that make extra harloty?

      • Lucreza Borgia

        I dye my blonde hair red. Clearly I am nuts!

      • Hilary

        Yes, it does. But that’s ok, I like red heads.

      • Petticoat Philosopher

        *power fist*

  • wildburra

    At least they didn’t put any “tats” on the harlot, lol.

  • momofthree66

    Why is the Godly woman wearing the hooker heels?

  • http://tinygrainofrice.wordpress.com/ Kristycat

    DAAAAANNNG.

    Did… did the cartoonist realize he was making the “Godly Woman” look like the sort of smarmy, simpering person most people would cross the street to get away from?

    I’m just sayin’. If those are my only two choices, I know who I’d rather be – and who I’d rather hang out with. (Although it effectively obscures the quirky, nerdy crowd I usually associate with…)

  • Lucreza Borgia

    Someone is unhappy about the attention he is receiving because of this comic.

    • LizBert

      It’s only ok to degrade women in the name of Jesus!

      • Panda Rosa

        Not “Jesus”, it’s “JAAAYY-EEEE-ZZUS!!” There’s a difference. Bonus points if you can wring a couple more syllables out of the name.

    • Nancy Shrew

      I like how the life-sapping of men is the foremost concern. I get this nagging feeling that he couldn’t give the most minuscule fuck about the exploitation of women.

      Oh, and what a delightful euphemism for what he clearly meant in the last sentence.

      • Rilian Sharp

        What do you mean? What was it a euphemism for?

      • Nancy Shrew

        I just get the distinct feeling that he had to backspace “fucked up” before he settled on “mixed up”.

    • Christine

      What’s this “instead of” that he’s talking about? If he could be bothered to read the archives here he’d understand that there’s a lot of “as well as”. (I’m aware that he’s including things that the majority of people here don’t find offensive, but there’s going to be a lot of overlap – Cosmo for example).

    • smrnda

      Does this guy *get* that his critics are making the point that the whole ‘modesty’ deal degrades women just as much as any hard core porn?

  • ako

    It’s incredibly revealing how little of the Harlot’s behavior has to do with sex, and how much has to do with having more power than the cartoonist is comfortable contemplating. There’s the giant censored block outfit which is presumably meant to be sexual and enticing*, but even that’s show primarily about a woman wanting power, and the rest of it has, at best, a marginal relationship to sex. She’s got feet that do not stay at home, in a style of shoes known for comfort, not sexiness, which indicates she’s more interested in doing what she wants than looking pleasant for men. Her face is “brazen”, which is portrayed as heavy-lidded and not smiling, again a sign that she’s not going out of her way to please any passing man who might want something pretty to look at. (I can’t tell if she’s wearing any more makeup than the Godly woman.) And she’s loud, which is not particularly sexually enticing, but very threatening to men who fear insufficiently obedient women.

    The Godly Woman, on the other hand, is putting a lot of time an energy into man-pleasing attractiveness. She’s wearing heels, a famously sexy shoes, and frills and a skirt so that men who see her will be distinctly aware of her as a woman. She’s got blonde hair that looks cut and styled, the same red lips and visible lashes as the Harlot, and a face that conveys a willingness to please. She could be interpreted as every bit as sexual as the Harlot, but she doesn’t have the scary trappings of power. She’s gentle and quiet, smiling for your convenience, reverent and ready to submit.

    This is a powerful, albeit unintentional, illustration of how much modesty-policing is only nominally about sex, but actually about preventing women from having power.

    *Although, it is pretty common to slut-shame girls and women for wearing a ‘sexy’ outfit that was chosen because it was practical, comfortable in the hot weather, something that fit perfectly before the last growth spurt, or otherwise chosen without sexual attraction in mind at all.

    • Ahab

      Ako — Fantastic observations. This cartoon says so much about the gender hang-ups of the person who drew it.

  • MNb

    The first thing that strikes me is that the good girl has fair hair and the bad girl has dark hair. That’s a very old christian stereotype.
    I prefer girls with dark hair.

    • Niemand

      It’s a stereotype not just in the Christian community but in society in general. I notice that while the blonde doesn’t have to be dumb any more, she is still assumed to be the conventional one. The darker haired woman is allowed to be more unconventional.

      • gimpi1

        One especially creepy aspect of this emphasis on blondes, Niemand, is that when a woman goes missing, there’s a lot more media-coverage if she’s a blonde than if she has dark hair.

        And if she’s not white, forget it. A couple of years ago I saw some privately-purchased bus-card advertisements concerning a young hispanic woman who had been missing for several weeks. Her family had bought advertisements to try to solicit information about her disappearance. I’m sure the police investigated, but the story was never covered in the local or regional media at all. I have no idea of the outcome. It’s bugged me every since.

  • Laura Jackson

    What a bunch of bullshit! And it keeps getting deeper and deeper!

  • Sereganor

    As small as the image is on my phone, I thought it said “submits to jerks” at first.

    • The_L1985

      Debi Pearl seems to think that’s godly behavior…maybe she’s not the only one? ;)

  • Niemand

    I love the way the harlot is leaning on the censor bar, appropriating it for her own use. I wonder if that implication was intentional.

  • http://kathrynbrightbill.com/ KB

    The “godly” woman reminds me of Sarah Newlin, the good vampire hating fundamentalist on True Blood.

  • Sarah-Sophia

    The cartoonist thinks that women dress immodestly so they can ensnare a man. That’s a big stereotype that the modesty movement makes that also contribute to rape culture: that women who show a lot of skin is trying to get a guy’s attention, and so that makes her open to all guys (and if she’s not than she shouldn’t be wearing that, because only whores who are willing to have any guy’s attention would be wearing that).

  • Hilary

    Well Libby, I think we’ve totally dissected this frog for you . . . what do you think of our lab report?

  • Moonlit_Night

    I think the artist is confused about which distinction he is trying to illustrate. The art illustrates difference in class/race, but the captions are all about spiritual differences, without adequate evidence of how the appearance and the spirit are linked. Maybe the author wants to show us that he believes that being or looking non-white and/or lower-class is evidence of being a bad person? Or maybe he just wants to badmouth women who might threaten or discomfit him?

  • Semipermeable

    I noticed that the ‘harlot’ has a sleeve showing and it just looks like a T-shirt with a wide neck.
    In my head cannon the harlot has a T shirt and a pair of cargo shorts on.

    I wonder if the bracelets are a reference to the jelly bracelets that some girls wore to show what sexual acts they had been a part of. Or if the artists thinks all bracelets are for sex partners, the ‘harlot’ has several and the godly woman only has a single gold one, similar to a wedding ring.

    Slut shaming at it’s finest.

  • j.lup

    A Godly woman? Out alone without a chaperone, wearing that figure-hugging skirt and blouse, revealing all her curvy-curves? Why isn’t she at home, pregnant, homeschooling her children or whipping them into submission? (And what exactly is ‘brazen’ about the face of the ‘harlot’ in this caricature, is it that she’s not grinning and silent?)

  • http://www.carpescriptura.com/ MrPopularSentiment

    The dichotomy alone is terrifying. “You must be my vision of a godly woman or you are a harlot.” Talk about hubris!

  • Charlotte

    This dichotomy is ancient. It is often referred to as ‘The Madonna and the whore’ – you find it, for example, in Chaucer’s ‘The Canterbury Tales’, where you have two female pilgrims: the Prioress, a godly woman, symbolic of the Madonna, and the Wife of Bath, a woman who has had six husbands (from memory) and recalls bawdy stories, symbolic of the whore.

    In my experience this dichotomy was strongly embedded but subtle in its presentation in the fundamentalist/evangelical circles I grew up in – there were the worldly girls/women, who were ‘easy’, got STDs, got pregnant; and then there we were: good little Christian girls who had made purity pledges. It was a very strong “us” and “them” contrast.

  • Rilian Sharp

    It doesn’t say “feet that stay at home” under the godly woman. She is carrying a bible, does that mean she’s reading it herself and depending on her own understanding rather than trusting her father/husband? Those two in the middle are about her feelings rather than actions, there’s no parallel in the harlot picture.

    and wow the harlot shouldn’t dress like that because it gives her power over men? Also, my friend andrew pointed out that you can’t see how not to dress because they’ve censored it.

  • AnonCan

    From what I recall from my church going days, didn’t Jesus hang out with “harlots” all the time? For a group using his name they conveniently forget some things very easily! And cause immense pain and suffering in the name of Jesus Christ.

  • Don Gwinn

    OK, this is neither here nor there, but does anyone else notice that it kinda looks like he just drew a spot-on caricature-style portrait of the Sarah Newlin character from the True Blood TV adaptation?

    (The creepy pastor-wife lady who co-founded the Fellowship of the Sun, had an affair with Jason Stackhouse and was ready to start a human-vampire war for awhile there?)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=True+Blood+%22Sarah+Newlin%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&authuser=0&ei=GuX3UfK7D6qZ8AG49IGYCg&biw=765&bih=402&sei=HeX3UZLbMOup8QHT0oCQCg

  • JA

    That “godly woman” is wearing heels. What a hussy.

  • Boo

    This gave me a horrible flash back. I once had a guy tell me that it wasn’t fair for a girl to refuse to have sex with her boyfriend if she wasn’t a virgin. I wish I had known the word ‘rapey’ back then. I was raised in the purity culture, but I didn’t manage to keep my virginity. I remember always feeling like I didn’t have the right to refuse sex with other men once I had lost my virginity. So I lied about being a virgin for years, so I wouldn’t be obligated to have sex with every man I went out with. When this guy said that to me it confirmed everything I had thought about sex and consent. I lived in fear for years about someone finding out about my lack of virginity. That is what that picture represents to me. Either a woman is a virgin or she is a whore. She is either untouchable or a free ride for anyone to enjoy. That probably isn’t what the artist was going for, but that was my first thought.

  • Nikki Marie

    i think that posting pictures like this opens the door for judgment, division and criticism. No one knows anything about anyone…regardless of her “title”. Who are we to judge a person in any scenario? The only one who can do that is God. How about more unity and understanding rather than discriminating and degrading a person for whatever it is they stand for. Jesus died for EVERYONE! Be it, Harlot, Godly women or anything in-between…they all have a soul in need of salvation. And it is between them and God if that will take place. Any other morbid remarks would seem to be just reflections of yourselves. Just sayin… If there is love in your heart then you have love to give. If there is anger, ANYONE IS FAIR GAME. Right? We need to look at ourselves before we cast a stone…[John 8:7]

  • Laura LeeAnne

    Am I the only one who saw the Godly Woman identical to Sarah Newlin from True Blood?

  • Sagrav

    I love how Ms. Harlot has nothing better to say than “LOUD!”. Maybe that’s just how Daniel Nuckols’s brain processes any sound coming out of a woman’s mouth.

    Who wants to bet that Mr. Nuckols tearfully masturbates to the filthiest porn imaginable when he isn’t busy drawing junk like this?

  • Panda Rosa

    FWIW, checking out this jerkhead’s site, did find one cartoon that makes a lot more sense.
    Here’s the link, if you need cheering up: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=204992669574536&set=a.116097505130720.18420.116085445131926&type=3&theater

  • Folder

    What kind of an idiot made that picture?

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