“I expect the crowd in power to destroy everything…”

Over at Instapundit, Glenn Reynolds posts, amid a wall of discouraging stuff, two especially grim bits:


I just wanted to weigh in on the food inflation issue with a local data point. I live in Southern Iowa and have a small flock of sheep (12) that I use for weed control in my vineyard. I feed grass/alfalfa hay in the winter months (roughly early November through mid-March), and typically start planning in early summer . . .People are scrambling everywhere to get hay lined up for this winter, and not just cattle operators. Craigslist is loaded with horses for sale at fire sale prices because people are having trouble lining up enough hay for this winter, at a price they can afford.

Read the whole thing. Back in the day, my parents had a freezer and would go in with a friend on buying half or a quarter of cow, depending on the finances. Stocking up sounds a good idea.

Except of course, you need electricity (or at least a generator) to see to all of that. Another Insty post from another reader:

GOING JEAN GALT? Patrick Carroll writes:

I decided to take six months off this year. I sold stock and did what I wanted for a blissful six months. I read books, drank good wine, watched my garden, got out my high-powered binocs and looked at the planets, hiked, cooked, ate well, just lived. I did so because I expect the crowd in power to destroy everything, so I thought I’d take a break before the deluge…I also bought guns (rifle, shotgun, pistol each for the wife and I), and have contracted with a local landscaping company to build a highly-defensible, nice-looking (fence/hedge combination) perimeter for my property.

Oh, and I bought water barrels. And a propane tank. And a generator.

What’s interesting is that I am hearing similarly discomfited talk around me, and seeing it in my emails. In the past few weeks I’ve heard some surprising people admit they’ve been arming themselves and purchasing ammunition — one such discussion happened all around me at the hairdresser’s while I sat and listened. The stylist and his boss, they’re storing food and arming themselves. The chiropractor who popped in to say hello while taking his afternoon stroll said he is armed, too: “never in my life thought I’d have a gun in the house, now we have two.”

They’re arming, they say, because they “see it all going bad.” These same folks who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 were now asserting an idea the far-left had floated around before that election, but instead of “Bush is going to install martial law and suspend elections.” they’re saying it of Obama. “He paid off his friends and did nothing to create jobs and he wants it all to go bad, because then he can stay in power and dictate.”

Yeah, it seems as paranoid and nuts as it did when it was said about Bush, but this stuff is not being said in an extremist corner of the internet — it’s being said in a middle-class suburban salon in an area where 30% (or more) of the businesses are now shuttered, and houses are being foreclosed upon and then re-occupied seemingly overnight, creating what the stylist called “a neighborhood full of changes and no hope. Forget about new small businesses,” he said, gesturing across the street, where a small food shop’s “opening soon” banner had become sun-faded and worn, even as the door remained locked. “That guy is never going to open.”

“I can’t get a loan,” the woman in the next chair told me. “I want to consolidate my kid’s college loans into one loan, and the credit union says they don’t give loans to consolidate student loans. I told them, I have job-security and excellent credit — what if I just want a loan for myself, a personal loan?” She was in high dudgeon and her voice grew louder in a perfect arc of Long Island umbrage-taking. “They said they’d need to know what it was for. I said, ‘it’s my personal business what the loan is for! Maybe I want to go on vacation, throw a wedding, pay off college loans, why do you have to know?’, and they said, no, they had to know what the money was for, because they’d be paying it out for me — like I’m a child who can’t be trusted with money! So, I figure, okay, it’s a credit union, I’ll try my bank. They said they don’t make personal loans anymore! It shook me up. I felt like maybe I didn’t realize how bad things are.”

There is an absolute collapse of faith in our systems and in the guy they helped put into office. These folks who were so quick to believe the press in ’08 and to believe in “hope and change” are now willfully believing the absolute worst. While I was getting my grey washed away I heard about local goings-on that I won’t write about here until I check it out for myself, because I don’t know what is real and what is paranoid fantasy or conspiracy theory. But the thing is, the anxiety is real, the doubt is real, as is the willingness to believe the absolute worst of all of our institutions — the press, the churches, the government. These folks are utterly convinced that the only thing that is going to be installed come next January is chaos and oppression. They’ll vote for Romney (“assuming there is an election and we’re allowed to vote and the vote is actually counted…”) simply because he’s not Obama, but they’re convinced that America’s best days are over.

“Soon, it’s going to be every man for himself, mark my words” said the salon owner. “I’m telling you, get a gun. Get a generator, now, because in six months you won’t be able to. Stock up.”

Honestly, what I thought was, “I need to get a new salon…” Because that was a miserable way to spend 90 minutes and my hard-earned cash.

When I met up with some friends later that weekend, one announced that her husband is talking about getting a gun, too. “I told him, over my dead body. He says he wants a rifle to go hunting! Please. This man doesn’t like to be outside, where there is dirt, now he wants to go hunting? Baloney. He thinks there is going to be some kind of revolution, and I’m saying, ‘what, you’re going to fend off revolution with a rifle you don’t know how to shoot and your barbecue grill?’ Everything is going to be fine. People need to calm down.”

So, let me ask you, readers — do you also “expect the crowd in power to destroy everything”? Are you arming yourselves, stocking up on food and buying generators? Or do you think everything is going to be fine, and we all need to take a breath?

Or are you, like me, just a tad wary but still hoping that the nation can pull itself together?

About Elizabeth Scalia
  • http://contraniche.blogspot.com August

    The Republic is Dead.
    I have no nation. I am ruled by traitors, and my alternatives are people eager to be traitors. Anyone who can read ought to be able to tell that Justice Roberts is a traitor with this Obamacare thing.
    We live in a sort of zombie socialism, where the bureaucrats animate the corpse, and will continue to do so until there is nothing left for them to benefit from.
    I guess I’m not like you.

  • Mandy P.

    In all honesty, we’re making some contingency preparations. I don’t expect Obama to do the martial law thing, but I don’t see us having the courage to do what’s needed to deal with our national financial problems. And without curbing our spending and debt, we’re headed for collapse. I worry that when Europe goes down it will takeus down with us. The only thing that keeps me from being a complete pessimist is the stuff trickling out of China. They’ve been keeping themselves afloat by building all those ghost cities and “infrastructure” that no one uses. It appears that bubble may have burst. While I don’t wish I’ll on the Chinese citizens, the bottom line is that they’re heavily invested in our debt and I don’t think they can afford us going under.

    Maybe that all sounds nuts. But I’m not in the camp that thinks these things just can’t happen here, like we’re somehow magically insulated from the troubles of other nations. We could go down just like many a nation before us. I hope and pray we don’t, but I don’t want to be caught unawares, either. So we’re doing what we can to try and prepare for the worst just in case. And hey, if things end up fine then we’re set for the next hurricane here in Florida.

  • Mandy P.

    Please pardon my spelling errors. Autocorrect and I are not on friendly terms.

  • http://dailywoof.wordpress.com Kensington

    Well, I’m certainly not worried about the election not happening. People on the fringe of the party out of power say this every four years. I remember hearing it in 1996, and I’ll bet they were saying it in 1992, 1988, 1984, etc. It’s just silliness, but I fell for it the first time. Perhaps everyone does.

    That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if we reach a point where our economic problems get so bad that some cities start to collapse, to the point where there is some kind of breakdown of society, at least temporarily, at least on a local level. Mind you I’m not predicting it — just saying I wouldn’t be surprised.

    And if that happens, I am utterly unprepared for it and will probably remain so because I just don’t have the resources to stock up on guns and extra food and medication.

    But probably everything will be okay. Let’s throw Obama out of office as soon as possible, though, okay?

  • Tim Drake

    What is at the root of all the fear?

    All we need to do is to look at our own budgets, the federal budget, unemployment, and the economy to see where the discontent is coming from.

    For the first time in my adult life, I am not able to provide for my wife and children. It’s humiliating, and there’s tremendous fear. Our property insurance has doubled, our property taxes have increased, healthcare insurance is through the roof, medical bills, food prices, gasoline prices – ALL of it has increased dramatically, while at the same time our salaries have remained the same for years. Not a single category of spending is decreasing. Couple all of those increases, with no salary increase, and in time you have economic disaster on a small scale.

    Should we purchase that chicken, or is it better to go with pasta? Do we get the braces our daughter desperately needs? When November rolls around, will we have enough to pay the mortgage?

    Now, multiply that.

    As I talk with other families across the country, including those where a provider is out of work, you get some idea where the discontent and the fear is coming from. Everyone in the middle class is facing these kinds of questions.

    Businesses remain vacant. People remain unemployed. The drought will increase food costs even more. I can’t help but think that this is something akin to what it felt like for our grandparents who lived through the Depression.

    Food stockpiles, generators, ammunition, guns, not even politics is the answer. Prayer is.

    Remember Y2K and all the folks who spent time preparing for that disaster-that-never-happened?

    Instead of putting our faith in any of those things, or in a political party, a candidate, or the election, we ought to be on our knees in fervent prayer… doing everything we can as if it depended upon us, while knowing that it depends on God. Prayer and work (ora et labora) will see us through.

    [I tend to agree. Although I am uneasy, I am not "preparing." I'm not sure than anything I would do would make a difference, anyway, so I'll just keep praying for the best. For all of us. -admin]

  • http://rau.3littlefoxes.com LindaF

    I’m not going survivalist, but I am making provisions for short-term disorder. Don’t know what will be coming, but I do want to be intelligently prepared for limited problems. Of course, a lot of that is just hurricane season bug-out prep – batteries, tools, food, etc.

  • Cathym

    I’m armed, stocked, have the generator and I’m clinging to my religion!

  • Katie

    You may count me in the bucket of individuals who share a profound sense of gratefulness for having had custody of a fairly comfortable life, basically since I was born. I’ve been able to eat good food, drink clean water (and assorted adult beverages, of course), slept in clean sheets with lots of pillows, bought several vehicles, traveled across country to visit relatives and friends, and count myself honored to associate with faithful Catholics here in Michigan. I’ve had a growing sense of the need to remain unattached to this life I lead over the past several years, though. Part of this may be my personality (I signed up for service as a Marine, after all) but I also think God is at work in my life, encouraging me to find the less-easy path, reminding me that I must not get comfortable or complacent. I’d be exaggerating if I said I was a glutton for punishment, but I’m more aware than ever that my present life is temporary.

    This is not to say that I expect upheaval associated with this election cycle, nor that I am prepared for such a thing to happen. I’ve got a couple of firearms that I’ve had for 10 years or so. I’ve got a few thousand rounds for each that I stocked up on after the last election (there’s no such thing as too much ammo), and I’m working on a food and water supply. My family (parents, siblings) have long talked about setting up a family farm compound, though we all remind ourselves that we ultimately rely on our Creator. Preparation is good (especially for control-freaks like me) but only God will get us through.

    For those who may think that being negative over the state of our country is an overreaction, may I remind you that Europe is even more unstable, and the US, even if we try to isolate ourselves, will not be immune to the results of a collapse across the Atlantic. In my view, it’s a matter of ‘when’, not ‘if’.

  • victor

    It’s like they say: Anything can happen and it probably will. But before everyone goes all Cormac McCarthy crazy, how about some perspective: “Are not two sparrows sold for a small coin? Yet not one of them falls to the ground without your Father’s knowledge. Even all the hairs of your head are counted. So do not be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.”

  • Mary

    I’m in the same camp as Mandy P, with the added background of a family history (Mennonite) of watching societies become more restrictive and oppressive, impelling the family (or community of families) to move onward to better opportunities – and away from oppression.

    My grandfather fled Russia in the early 1920s after being put in front of a firing squad twice; once by the Red army, once by the White army. He and his family stayed only briefly in pre WWII Germany before coming to the US. He told my father in the late 1950s “its happening again here. Watch and be careful. ”

    I don’t want to worry about it, but I also don’t want to be the lobster slowly relaxing into the boiling pot. And New Orleans after Katrina was a huge wakeup call for me.

    Living in an organized, connected community is best. Being self sufficient is second best. After that the options get less attractive.

  • Katherine

    The world has ended before. In 1871 the Germans surounded Paris, to the point that the people ate the zoo animals. And then life went on.

  • Baby M

    I don’t think even Obama would be crazy enough to try to suspend the election, nor that he would be able to get fifty Secretaries of State to go along with him if he made the attempt. I do think it likely that if the election is close in a key state or three, he would try (as Gore did in 2000) to win through litigation what he couldn’t at the ballot box. I also think it likely that, if he loses, he will do everything in his power to delegitamize the result, even after the inauguration, and might go so far as to refuse to leave office.

    If he wins, I have no doubt that he will continue his ego-driven “transformation” of American society, and he will take the election result as a mandate.

  • http://jscafenette.com Manny

    Agree that some of these reactions are extreme. I’m not planning to take any special provisions. But everyone has to agree this country is a mess. I have never seen it this bad. I can’t believe Obama is really close in the polls. Food and gas prices rising uncontrollably, economic activity is down, and there seems to be a crazy shooting every other week. What the hell is going on?

  • Nicky

    I am worried but do not stock pile because won’t those who have nothing eventually come and agressively take what you have, especially if their children are hungry?

  • http://jscafenette.com Manny

    As a good Catholic (I assume) wouldn’t you want to give what you stock piled to those hungry children? If you can save hungry children wouldn’t you want to?

  • Susan D.

    I live in an extended family household, and I think it’s just prudent to have plenty of food and other necessities on hand. My sister and I keep a decently-stocked pantry and freezer; my sister’s husband has an extensive garden in the backyard, and we preserve a lot of that produce. But we’d do that regardless. Brother-in-law also has guns and ammo and knows how to use them–but again, he’s always done that; it’s how he grew up. It’s possible to be prudent without being mindlessly fearful.

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  • john primm

    I may be the Pollyanna here but I just have this feeling…you know, one of those…that all is well and God is in charge. Lest anyone think I am a dreamer, I have been underemployed for 5 years now and have no leads or hopes for work…I trust that He is working here–God writes straight with crooked lines. FDR was right about this, “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself”…not much else he got right but that was. What you fear you attract is a truism l learned from an old monk friend of mine.

  • http://www.withouthavingseen.com Ryan Haber

    I am not a survivalist either, but have also made preparations for short-term disorder.

    My sense is that short-term disorder is already imminent. Remember the rolling brownouts in California because of budget issues about a decade ago? It does hurt to have a hundred pounds or two of rice, dried beans, etc., so that if there is a run on grocery stores, I don’t have to run. Sound like a third-world country, like something in Peru or Russia? Well, increasingly we are giving ourselves over to just that sort of governance.

    I do not see a collapse. There is no desire for a collapse. I see a gradual, managed degradation. It is a misconception of the Whig interpretation of history that the Roman Empire collapsed. It didn’t. It devolved, decentralized, deformed, transitioned, evolved, re-centralized, and reformed into modern Europe over the course of a millennium. But a lot of people had to deal with a lot of crap along the way, and we will too. We might as well prepare ourselves and get to know our neighbors, rather than waiting on overburdened police and striking firefighters to solve all our problems.

  • Roz Smith

    This talk reminds me of the summer of 1968. I was 15 and even in St. Paul Minnesota there was talk of race riots. By whom I never understood as the city was overwhelmingly white. Now I know it’s just a mood people get in when they feel events are out of control. There is one difference. In 1968 most people still trusted the national news media. Today many people suspect that media filters out and distorts information to suit its agenda. That makes it harder to know what is really happening.

    The survivalist thing has been growing ever since Katrina. On the whole I think it is a good idea, even the guns if people take time to learn how to handle them safely. I like to remind people it wasn’t law enforcement that did in the baddest gangs of the Old West. The James Gang was done in when they unwisely ventured into territory where the local farmers didn’t see them as populist heroes and shot back with their varmint guns when the gang robbed the bank. It certainly is advisable to keep on hand all the items you might need should you be without power for several days. Our power grid seems overstretched right now. Remember that no electricity means no cash stations, credit card readers or gas pumps as well as no light and refrigeration.

  • Lizzy

    There’s definitely anxiety about the election, especially if Romney wins. It’s amazing how many rational people believe that Obama might take some action to stay in power. With the recent race riots and Obama/the Left’s stirring up racial strife over Trayvon’s shooting, and the OWS hatred of success, and the ugliness toward Christians over same-sex marriage and contraceptives, I think there is legitimate fear that an Obama loss trigger violence like the Rodney King verdict. I also think most people have recognized that the combination of rising food prices, rising gas prices rising, and the EPA’s regulations forcing a significant number of coal plants to close, that the easy life as we know it will cease to be (at least for a while). Stocking up and loading up is about the only thing one can do (at least individually), to prepare for this.

  • Nicky

    Manny…that was my point..I was asking a rhetorical question.

  • thule222

    I’m worried and starting to stockpile. I see more of a Weimar Republic inflationary period. This stuff can’t go on. We’ve been spending two bucks for every dollar we make for a long time now, the Chinese are out of money, everybody’s out of money.

  • Skay

    Obama is now saying that if he is re elected he will work with the Republicans. Of course he said that before the last election also. Something about transparency. I gather he thinks there are enough people out there who will believe him-again. He could be right. The rest of his ideological voters are just laughing at the joke.
    If he is re-elected I worry about where this country will be after those four years. That is the election we may not be able to have.
    If the Dems hold the Senate–he will be able to put in even more far left pals into high offices in order to gain even more control. That includes Supreme Court Justices.
    I heard a man who was a prisoner in one of Castro’s jails say that he knew what Obama was as soon as he heard him speak. His comment was that he could smell communism a mile away.
    From his life experience I am sure he can.
    I believe there will be an attempt to take away private property through taxes and that will include church property.
    The Justice Department(Holder) is trying to get information about voters names and how they are registered in our state and the state is fighting that. Why would Holder and Obama need that info?

    I pray for our faithful priests and sisters — and this country every day. The HHS mandate makes it clear where Obama and his backers(Soros) intend to go.

    I do wish I could be as prepaired as some are who have commented. It is a smart thing to do.

  • RigelDog

    Somehow I think it will all work out. OTOH, we are prepared for short-term disruptions, natural catastrophes…..and zombies.

  • TXRed

    I try and stay stocked up because I’ve been through ice storms, tornadoes, and two hurricanes. And random power failures. My family has firearms because we always have. The feeling in the air is profound uncertainty and people, even here in an comparatively steady and prosperous area, are hunkering down and thinking about worst-case plans. There is talk of inflation a la the 1970s, if not quite Weimar or Zimbabwe style. Folks around me are reducing luxury purchases, buying more things with cash instead of credit, and getting more involved in local churches and charities. Why? Because of the feeling that we are going to have to look to G-d and our neighbors instead of the state or federal government for the next while.

  • R.C.

    I’m going to start this out sounding very grim. But hang in there…I’ll moderate it all significantly at the end.

    To start with: My wife says,

    “First, anyone who is paying attention knows that we’re teetering on the edge of disaster in an awfully large number of areas. Food prices are already going up and about to go up more. Europe’s about to crash, bacteria have developed antibiotic resistance and the drug companies are unable to develop new antibiotics quickly enough, our debt is out-of-control and about to bankrupt us or send us into an inflationary spiral, too many people are out of work and living uncertain of their ability to keep life going this time next year, China’s freaking out with angry nationalism and economic problems, Iran’s six months from having nukes (and Israel’s five months from attacking them to prevent it), our whole electrical grid could be taken down any time by an EMP or a bad solar flare (and it’s a months-to-years proposition to replace any large number of blown transformers), our information systems are vulnerable to cyberattack…and I’m really just getting started.

    “Secondly, we’ve seen too many people that become violent when things don’t go their way. You can’t trust people not to do that; certainly not anymore. Too many people don’t have the character, the moral goodness, to be relied upon to react helpfully if the feces hits the fan in one or more of the above-cited possible-disaster scenarios.”

    I agree with my wife on this, although I note that the problem is most severe in the cities, where attitudes of dependency intersect with crowdedness and failure to know your neighbors. Contrast New Orleans at Katrina-time with the central-plains farm states and how they reacted to bad weather the last couple of years, to see the difference. (Or even New Orleans with Mississippi’s handling of Katrina.) Or, to put it another way, who would you rather be living among in a disaster scenario, a bunch of Tea Party folks or a bunch of Occupy Wall Street folks? The Occupiers defecated in public and raped women and men and tried to set off bombs even when it wasn’t a disaster-scene; what will they do if the power’s out and food supplies run scarce? But if you live in a blue-state, in a big-city, you’ll have a lot more Occupiers on your streets than Tea Partiers if the situation becomes dire. With Katrina in “Nawlins” they could send in the National Guard, but if they have L.A. riots in ten or more cities at the same time, are there enough guardsmen to go around?

    To this I add: Episode 1 of the original “Connections” series from the 70′s (featuring James Burke) is instructive: Let’s say they lose power in the city, or a lot of cities. For a few hours, it’s no big deal, although there’s an initial burst of violence as yahoos act like yahoos and create a bit of mayhem and theft for as long as it takes for the police to re-establish order. After a few days, though, things get tight. After a couple of weeks, the cities are deathtraps and you have to get out. But where will you go? The cars are all abandoned on the highways where they ran out of gas. Are you going to walk? Can you walk that far? Who will you encounter on the way? Are they armed? Are you? How will you handle that? Let’s say you make it out of the city and get to a place that’s potentially self-sustaining: A farm, with some livestock and some seed supplies intact. Are the owners still there? Will they let you crash? What’re you going to do if they don’t? Let’s say that the owners aren’t there and nobody better-armed than you got there first: Great, you’re saved. But are you? Do you know how to work farm machinery? There’s an electric-milking machine, but no electricity. There’s a generator, but only a tiny amount of stored up gas. And if you take up trying to live there, are you prepared to defend yourself against the next group that shows up looking to take the place away from you?

    Now that everyone’s feeling grim, let me back up on all of this a tad.

    I don’t think we’ll get hit with an EMP. The solar flare is unlikely. Europe will collapse but will be more slow, less sudden. Iran will get the nuke and the resulting conflagration will be beyond our ability to affect much, but it’ll send gas prices way high. Things won’t get awful overnight. But they’ll get bad over a matter of weeks or months, and stay that way for years. People will adjust.

    Obama won’t contest the election; he’ll leave quietly. Yes, even he, that narcissistic incompetent dweeb who thinks the world runs on unicorn flatulence and just feels in his heart that academic progressive radical chic is a foreordained brave new eschatology, won’t lock himself in the Oval Office any more than Bush would have.

    But Romney and Ryan will be stuck presiding over a lot of bad and worse options, bequeathed to them along with a lot of misery they won’t be able to avoid as they set things right, if they have the political courage to do so, which is uncertain. They’ll get blamed for the misery, and won’t be able to protest otherwise, because they campaigned on Obama being dishonest for blaming his troubles on Bush. Not fair, but that’s how it’ll play out.

    So this will be a long hard slog, with periodic eruptions of civil disorder and supply shortages.

    That’s where the freezer and the guns come in.

    So here’s the reasonable approach: Have a freezer stocked for 2 months, firearms and a stockpile of ammo, a lot of disaster supplies, and, most importantly, learn some new post-apocalyptic carpentry and mechanical and electrical and food-prep and small-garden and emergency medical skills between now and then. You’ll only need all this stuff one month out of twelve, if that often. But when the periodic rough patches happen, it’ll help to know how to McGuyver stuff and live off the land until they smooth over.

    In the end, the Republic will right itself. But “in the end” means months or years of twitchy times.

    That’s the deal.

  • pink lady

    Since moving to south florida in the 80s , I have become friends with many people from other countries that had turned socialist/communist(their governments). Hearing their many stories, I know this can happen here, it seems sure to be happening here. In Jamaica in the 70s , they confiscated all the property of the white jamaicans , including their land (google it, I know many expats!) and most could only leave with one suitcase. Many of them succeeded here in business and medicine, but their stories, at my neighbor’s annual Christmas parties were chilling. I tell myself that all the hunters in this country amount to the largest army of armed men/women in the world and that we will be ok, but there is a zombie-like quality to the obama supporters that does scare me.I did go to a gun store/range for the first time in my 53 yrs. with a friend and her husband. They wanted me to learn how to shoot and I was curious. The line was too long to wait.That’s what is happening.

  • JuliB

    As a single woman 5 years ago, I had a 3 month stint of unemployment with no UI. I almost had a panic attack when I went into the grocery store. I told myself ‘never again’. While my pantry isn’t as stocked as I’d like it to be, I believe that being prepared for disaster is prudent since while America may be ok, there’s no reason to assume that my life will be chaos-free.

    Having worked in IT, it gets my dander up when people talk dismissively about Y2K. It didn’t “happen” because of the hard work, time and $$ dedicated to preventing the problem. Our efforts were successful, and nothing bad happened. It wasn’t that everyone was Chicken Little!

  • LordJiggy

    Given everything we know (and we don’t know EVERYTHING) about this Administration, from Fast and Furious to Solynandra, and all the rest. Given the trail balloons that have been floated about “suspending the elections” (Governor of North Carolina, was it?) and “declaring Congress in insurrection” (Jesse Jackson, Jr), and given the way those two statements weren’t greeted by a universal condemnation by the Morally Superior Press, I believe strongly that if not for the Second Amendment, Team Obama would suspend the elections, for our own good. Just so He could get everything right, of course, and then things would be all better. Normally, I leave my tinfoil hat at home, but I sincerely believe in the totalitarian impulse of the Libs, and especially in Obama.

  • LordJiggy

    Given everything we know (and we don’t know EVERYTHING) about this Administration, from Fast and Furious to Solynandra, and all the rest. Given the trail balloons that have been floated about “suspending the elections” (Governor of North Carolina, was it?) and “declaring Congress in insurrection” (Jesse Jackson, Jr), and given the way those two statements weren’t greeted by a universal condemnation by the Morally Superior Press, I believe strongly that if not for the Second Amendment, Team Obama would suspend the elections, for our own good. Just so He could get everything right, of course, and then things would be all better. Normally, I leave my tinfoil hat at home, but I sincerely believe in the totalitarian impulse of the Libs, and especially the impulse to control people that lurks in Obama.

  • Michael Romkey

    I haven’t bought a gun or generator, but I think about it often — especially the gun.

    At this point in the election cycle, I am guardedly optimistic we are not flat-out doomed. I like Ryan a lot; Romney makes me nervous, but his experience leading a business and the Olympics is reassuring in the sense that I would be a pleasant change to have an experienced, results-oriented adult in charge of what will for another year or two be the last remaining super power in the world, if we haven’t ceded that title to China.

    The worst-case scenario is mighty bad. Most of the nations, including ours, are financially leveraged beyond the max. China needs to make a move, if it’s going to, before all the young men of military age turn gray and crazy because there aren’t enough women. If Iran goes nuclear, or Saudia Arabia tips over into Islamic extremism and turns off the oil… Well, there are a lot of “what if” scenarios, including the great states of Illinois, New York and California going bankrupt, along with a selection of cities, taking their bondholders down with them, that could push us over the edge.

    We really are dancing along the edge of the cliff. God is in control, as stated above, but I don’t see a lot happening today in the public spere that I could imagine God wishing to bless.

    Meanwhile, we have the whole social/political/philosophical disease of political correctness driving tolerance out of America and the world. Say you believe in traditional marriage where I work or on your Facebook page and you are treated like a dangerous bigot. There is no middle ground of tolerance these days. It’s black-and-white PC morality, and if you don’t agree with whomever gets to decide what you’re supposed to agree with, you are an enemy of the people.

    And Obama … I don’t even want to get started. Oh, what hath America’s willful and self-indulgent naivety wrought! A president who doesn’t believe in free market capitalism, who doesn’t want to salute the flag, who frets about offending Islam, who divides the world into two classes, the oppressed and the oppressors…

    Bottom line, I don’t think being alarmist is at all alarmist. Not today.

  • Pen1

    Plus we have provisions and guns.

  • Myssi

    I know for sure that my God shall supply all my needs according to his riches in glory. He did say for us to be wise like the ant and store up food for the winter though, and lately I’ve been feeling a cold breeze intermittently.

  • Elaine S.

    Well, I feel kind of caught between a rock and a hard place here. We chose to live in an apartment, in a medium-size Midwestern city, so that I could be within walking distance of my job and not have to commute. Before that we had lived out in rural areas and small towns where I had to commute 80-100 miles or more, round trip, daily. When gas prices spiked after Hurricane Katrina, and again in 2008, it was devastating to our budget and we vowed to be less dependent upon car transportation. The way we live now, we only need one car instead of two, and can even do without the one car if we have to, so we don’t have to worry so much if gas prices go through the roof. But, that also means no space to store extra food, no ground to grow stuff on, and pretty much nowhere to go if all hell breaks loose. So what to do? Pack up and move out to the boonies and pay out the you know what for gas and car maintenance and propane fuel, worry about the well running dry, etc. again, or stay put?

    [I suppose there is this option! -admin]

  • Teresa

    I have been worried since 2008 frankly. Mainly because I could not imagine how so many people fell for the hope and change thing. The media did their best to keep his past from the people but it was not impossible to learn about him. It is the folks who still seem to be clueless that I worry about. If he loses (I hope) I would not at all be surprised to see riots in the city streets. I saw the riots first hand in the 60s when I worked in Washington, D. C. Though I don’t live near any large city I do have a gun and I’ve been thinking that I need to go out and practice shooting. Some time ago, I contemplated selling my late husbands weapons assuming I didn’t need more than one. With the current dismal state of our country I no longer think that way. Perhaps it would be a good idea to stock up on food and buy a generator as well. I do know that if Obama should win through vote fraud or other means, things will definitely get much worse.

  • Mike

    I have thought a lot about this and have had conversations with friends who are doing the prepping, survivalist thing including arming themselves. I guess what I can’t get past is as a Christian won’t I need to share what I might have if you know what hits the fan? And heck I have never shot a gun before- would I really be prepared to shoot someone if they come for what little I have? I think the best preparing I can do is to pray that God will provide and lead us all. And if it means I don’t survive, then my preparation needs to be on preparing for eternity- seeking forgiveness and reconciliation.

  • Iris Celeste

    Not in the least bit worried. I put my trust in God and do everything in my power to help Heaven accomplish its goal! I might as well mention that I find the saying many Christians use idiotic. “God helps those who help themselves…” is usually on someone’s lips, to which I say, “Bologna! That is not scriptural! Throughout scripture God helps those who do His will and trust in Him!” That, my friends, is truly in line with Catholic understanding and not the other, which is at times used to excuse some action that God wouldn’t be all too pleased about…

    Iris Celeste

  • Thinkling

    Somebody on Fr. Z’s site recently expressed worry about a second Obama term. Fr. Z replied to this to say it was more his third term that he worries about.

    It was somewhat cheeky, but the fact that he even could say it at all without sounding totally delusional is sobering.

  • Mike M.

    I am afraid of guns and would never get one – until recently I have decided I should. The idea about the generator and a stock of food is also sound. Diabolos is afoot. The goddess of discord reigns. Anyone who thinks Obama and, at this point, any democrat, will not round them up, line them up, and b;ank blank them in the back of the head at this point – if they are given half a chance! = has not learned the lesson of the last 200 years, where that sort of thing is more common than not worldwide.

    Our job is not to give those cowards – and that is what they all are, cowards and bullies – that half chance.

    The more people are armed and ready, the less chance the worst will happen.

  • Jimmie

    I’m not much of a worrier, which is why I can live in a city like Oakland, California and not fret about my safety. In fact, if there is a societal collapse, I might not even notice it for awhile. And if it comes, what about it? I have noticed in my life that there an upside to almost every situation. When I was young, I had a period of about 10 years where basically nothing went my way and i experienced a lot of financial insecurity and stress. I count that as a blessing, because now in my late fifties, I’m relatively serene about my prospects and am confident of my ability to endure. I do not have a ton of money, but I have no debts and most importantly, a room of my own that I can retire to in peace. What else do I need?

    ["there is an upside to almost every situation." That's very true. When I look back on my life, even the stuff I wish hadn't happened...had its purpose and the purpose was ultimately good -admin]


    We are headed towards an event that will echo thru the next 1,000 years. Yes, Really. And I can tell you the following as facts:
    1. We’ve reached Toynbee’s societal breakdown point, where the leaders of society are now it’s oppressors.
    2. The only end in sight is palingenesia, which replaces the stagnant, dead, exhausted and corrupted old society with something new.

    None of us may survive long enough to see the new day dawn. Those of us who do won’t necessarily be lucky, because it’s guaranteed that the world which emerges from this long dark turmoil will be unrecognizable for those from the old world.

    Face It. That’s What’s Coming.

  • Eric Blair

    You know, I heard people say George Bush was going to suspend the election in 2004, that he was going to reintroduce the draft, etc…

    I heard people say Clinton was going to turn the US over to the UN.

    I heard people say Reagan was going to start World War III.

    Quit scaring yourselves, people.

  • shanasfo

    Both my husband and I were in the scouts, and we are always trying to ‘be prepared’ as best we can. We keep good first aid kits because we have kids that are accident prone. We keep food stocked in the house because sometimes it snows in winter so hard we can’t get off the street to buy milk and bread and staples (so I keep powder milk, as well as yeast & flour, canned meat, rice and veggies, and a couple of big jars of peanut butter, as well as chickens outside in a big coop). We have a generator for when the electricity goes out, as has happened in towns around us during bad storms in recent weeks. My husband and kids put in gardens and I can the veggies as soup or sauce and fruit as jam. We plan on getting a wood stove to heat the house and use to cook if it becomes necessary. We have a number of loud, protective dogs and also guns in the house because my husband and a daughter hunt, but also for protection; we live on a dead end and the recent addition of gambling in my state also means more breaking and entering (not to mention drug use and a rising crime rate in my poor little town). Protecting the family from crime, whoever is involved, is important to us, too.

    We have a large family, we have two kids with different needs that have difficulty coping with crisis, and we think that it is wise to be prepared for a variety of emergencies. There are no guarantees of safety, of having food immediately available at all times, of good government or decent weather. Having something set aside to provide when things are rough is just prudent.

    For the record, I do not at all like the direction the country is heading or the way the TSA is talking about installing more departments and taking over more responsibility on roadways, busses and other venues. More opportunities to molest and harass innocent people isn’t my idea of good government and doesn’t bode well over all. But it isn’t the main reason we are stocked up on necessities. It is just one reason.

  • Net hick

    Being prepared for the worst doesn’t make you conspiracy theorist. It just makes you prepared.

  • Occupied Territory

    This spring, we stocked up on about a year’s worth of food in the basement. The past 2 years we’ve been educating ourselves on gardening and are getting results we’re happy with. My wife bought a dehydrator and we’re learning canning. The FID cards should be here in a week or two. I don’t think Obama will go the martial law route, but do think that economic collapse is a real possibility. We also got a generator, but more because we were without power twice last year for a week each (tornado, early fall snow). We’re also trying to get rid of the mortgage, but that’s been stubborn. I hope we don’t need any of these things, but I do feel better having them, knowing we won’t be caught flat-footed if things go seriously wrong.

  • R.C.

    To my earlier remarks, I’ll add this:

    It’s not that hard to learn to shoot.

    And it’s fun. It’s one of the more fun parts of being a competent grown-up adult. It’s far more fun than learning to change a tire, or use a fire-extinguisher, or CPR, or the Heimlich, or a Red Cross water rescue (“reach throw row go!”) or any of the other stuff grownups are supposed to know how to do in emergency situations. (Cough, cough.)

    Start with the basic books, even if some of them are old and out-of-date. You ladies could do worse than buy Paxton Quigley’s Armed and Female. Books by Massad Ayoob are helpful for beginners, too. Politely ask a gun store owner or two for advice and develop a friendly, calm, quietly competent relationship with gun owners who strike you as friendly, calm, and quietly competent.

    You’ll find, by the way, that that’s the majority of gun owners. People who own weapons legally take it seriously. Very few of them tramp around in the woods in camo pretending to be soldiers in sketchy militia groups. None of them hold their guns sideways like a gangsta — you can’t hit squat that way. No: The private firearms ownership and concealed-carry culture in the United States is a bunch of friendly, calm, quietly competent folks who are aware they have a responsibility to themselves, their families, and their fellow citizens.

    That’s how you must be, to fit in.

    Also know the basic safety rules, and practice your awareness by watching how Hollywood movies always botch them. Things like:

    - Every gun is always loaded. Yes, including the one you just checked.
    - Always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire (Hollywood ALWAYS botches that one)
    - Don’t allow the muzzle of the firearm to cover/point at anything you don’t intend to destroy right now
    - Identify your target, and know what’s behind it and what’s between you and it
    - When you shoot a bad guy, you are not trying to kill them but to stop them from doing harm to others; however, because you can’t trust your aim, you must always shoot for center mass and fire double-taps
    - Be able to disassemble and reassemble your weapon. (It’s not that hard, get someone to show you.)
    - On an autoloader, understand that there is a chamber, and that if you rack the action over a loaded magazine, the gun is now loaded and ready to fire even if you eject the magazine. There is still one in the chamber, understood? That’s why every gun is loaded, even the one you already checked.
    - Practice at a range some. Please, be able to hit the broad side of a barn
    - “Dry fire” (with snap-caps if dry-firing empty is bad for your weapon) at home regularly if you can’t go to the range all the time. (This is especially good at training yourself not to have a flinch reflex. A smooth easy squeeze, don’t jerk it.)

    That sounds like a lot but, hey, you ladies are sometimes a bit faster at learning it than the guys, don’t ask me why. Something about not carrying cap-guns your whole childhood perhaps? Nothing to unlearn? Not sure.

    Start with a .22 and get the hang of it, then gradually move up to something large enough to stop a bad guy (but small enough for your hands to be comfortable with the weapon and the recoil).

    It’s not that bad.

    Don’t be scared, just man-up or woman-up as appropriate and get yourself educated.

    (Unless you’re a left-progressive Occupier type. In that case, go have a case of the vapors and remember that only wicked racist sexist capitalist pigs believe in being responsible for their safety. Ignore this whole topic. Go defecate somewhere public and write a blog post about it. You’ll feel better.)

  • disa

    I like to think that everything’s going to be OK, but we really do need to arm ourselves – and we haven’t yet. Yes, we’ll be practicing a lot – no time to practice when your back is against the wall, eh?

    So, be an optimist and pray, and get plenty of ammo before the federal agencies buy it all up.

  • mac

    I’m glad to hear people talking like this. Things are spinning out of control and there is a tremendous reset on the way. That said, if the traditional good sense of the American people reasserts itself, we can right the ship. There will be a lot of things spilled and broken when the hit the deck, but it will leave a lot of open space to put those things which have survived back in place when we regain an even keel. One thing you can bet on: when it’s over, PC and feminism will be deeply discredited.

    Still, get prepared as much as you can. Start thinking about food, water and warmth. You’ll need those and in a chaotic situation, it won’t be easy to find them. This goes double for people with wives and children. If you’re a man, you’re responsible for those people who depend on you. Prepare now so you don’t have to eat your guts out when you can’t provide for them.

    Also, be prepared to defend what you have. I know that when Hurricane Andrew ripped through South Florida, the LDS Church sent a lot of aid down there. One truck arrived and all the men were elsewhere. Only some women were available to distribute the goods. What happened was that the women were knocked aside and the truck was immediately looted of everything by those who were strong enough to just take what they wanted. The Mormons learned a lesson from this. They never sent another truck anyplace where there was a question of safety unless it had quietly armed men with it.

    One last thing: if you’re white and live in or near a predominantly minority area, you would be wise to move from there while you can. It has been acceptable for some time for non-whites to blame whites for misfortunes. If things really go south and you’re white in a predominantly non-white area, you’re a major target. I’m sure there will be those who want to call me racist for saying this, but the truth is what it is. You fail to heed this advice at your dire peril.

    May God bless us all and help us be safe and strong through the storms we are certain to face.

  • http://strasma.blogspot.com Man in the Middle

    The first sermon I remember was when I was in 7th grade, during the Cuban missile crisis, about why our pastor would not be building a fallout shelter. Briefly, it was because the only way he could benefit from one was if he was willing to kill anyone else who wanted in, and as a Christian he wasn’t prepared to do that.

    To me the same applies now. I’m an Eagle Scout and have always tried to “Be Prepared.” But only in ways consistent with my Christian faith. If we get to the point that we need to off neighbors to safeguard stuff, then perhaps we’ve already lived a sufficiently-full life. Short of that, our hope is that we and our neighbors can work together for mutual benefit during any coming troubles, as often happened in the Great Depression.

    As a practical matter, keeping a good supply of canned and dried food may be all we are likely to need. When such disasters have happened elsewhere, essential supplies have usually become available again within a month or two. Toward that end, we buy any such foods we like by the case as needed. If disaster strikes, hopefully that will be sufficient to keep all our bodies and souls together for the duration.