Quoting Quiverfull: Sex Gives You Cooties?

Quoting Quiverfull: Sex Gives You Cooties? January 16, 2017

quotingquiverfullby Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church – Flee Fornication

Editor’s note: Has anyone ever heard of picking up non-STD infections from lots of sex with others? News to me. Plus the whole ‘Why by the cow when you can get the milk for free’ is one of the most insulting cliches that reduces women to sex objects/animals. Also, is rampant fornication more of a problem in the church than out in the real world? The way that Vaughn Ohlman, Steven Anderson and others carry on about the subject makes you think that the Quiverfull world is one short step away from a Roman orgy scene out of Caligula. Circle, circle, dot, dot, dot I’m glad I got my cootie shot.

 Fornication is defined as a man and a woman sleeping together before marriage. This sin is condemned throughout the Bible, especially in the New Testament. We are all sinners, but not all sin is equal. The Bible teaches that fornication is so serious that it can get you thrown out of the church.

People who commit fornication for the first time often do not end up marrying that person but go on to be with person after person. Our bodies were not designed to exchange bacteria with hundreds of different people. In fact, there are infections people can get that are not considered STDs per say but are virtually unheard of in people who got married as virgins and have had only one partner. I realize that people die and their spouse can remarry, but sleeping with more than a few people in your lifetime is very unhealthy. In fact, the Bible calls it filthy.

So many women today are in relationships where they would like to get married, but the guy won’t marry them. These jerks need to do the right thing, but the women are also to blame. Unfortunately, the old adage still holds true: Why buy the cow if you can get the milk free?

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  • Storm

    Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?

    What if we lived in a society where farmers and cows were equal, no one owned the other, and cows could give their milk to whoever they liked – or keep it for their own calves. Farmers could milk many cows, or just the one they really liked who really likes them back. Farmers who don’t wish to put in the effort to find a nice cow can always buy milk from the store, and there’s nothing wrong with that either.

    The farmer cow analogy is actually kind of good if you place it in a world with intelligent cows with equal rights.

    As to why the farmer might buy a cow if he could just get her milk for free? Maybe he wants to show all the other farmers that she is his cow, and she wants to show all the other cows that he is her farmer, and him buying her affords them special legal rights as a farmer-cow relationship that they could not otherwise obtain.
    There’s plenty of reasons to marry someone you’re already having sex with. It happens all the time. Avoiding premarital sex does not a good marriage make.

  • Nightshade

    ‘Our bodies were not designed to exchange bacteria with hundreds of different people.’ Funny, young kids catch germs from other kids all the time and they seem to handle it OK.

    ‘In fact, there are infections people can get that are not considered STDs per say but are virtually unheard of in people who got married as virgins.’ Per se, Stevie-boy. Proofread much? Give me a specific name of one such infection, and a credible study demonstrating the ‘fact’ claimed here, then let’s talk.

  • gimpi1

    Mr. Anderson again wallows in his creepy obsessive nasty rants. In other news, water is wet.

  • Mirella222

    As usual, CPM hones in on a few verses that they can use to judge and demean people, all while ignoring the instructions to treat others as you would wish to be treated, to give to the poor and vulnerable, to help the sick, etc.
    Also: why buy a whole pig for a few inches of sausage? /sarc

  • SAO

    People who marry as virgins and have only one partner can get STDs. Anna Duggar should certainly get tested.

    As a side point, I must say, anyone thrown out of Anderson’s church is being liberated rather tha n punished.

  • Nancy

    I don’t remember where I hear this/read this but whenever the “why buy the cow” argument comes up I say–why buy the pig if the sausage is free?

  • Ashlyn Macnamara

    So wait,

  • TLC

    This. Stevie must never had had a basic science or health and hygiene class. We exchange bacteria (and viruses!) just by breathing the same air, touching the same things, using the same bathrooms, sharing food, etc. Apparently he doesn’t even understand how his kids catch colds!

  • pagankitty

    I’m a biologist and I have no clue what “non-STDs” he’s referring to. I mean sure non-STDs can be spread through the close contact that sex requires (things like the common cold and the flu). But virgins aren’t immune to those. It’s not like a hymen is a flu shot.

  • Nightshade

    https://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/physicians.html As if we needed more evidence of his ignorance. He goes on for a while about the HPV vaccine, then moves on to vaccines in general.

  • Nightshade

    Oh, but in their world women don’t want the sausage, they just put up with it because God says they have to.

  • Emersonian

    Possible he’s talking about the oral cancers that HPV infection can lead to? Maybe? But that’s still starting with an STI.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    See, that’s what I was thinking, that you would still be exposed to colds, viruses and bacteria without having sex with someone. He makes no sense.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    If you notice that sermon was before Zsu had her twin to twin transfusion problems. (is that what it was called?) Wonder if he’s altered his view of medicine now?

  • Nightshade

    I certainly hope he has, if only for the benefit to their children.

  • pagankitty

    Unless he keeps his virgins in some kind of sterile box or bubble to ensure that they don’t try any hanky panky before the wedding day.

  • Lili

    If I’m being charitable in his craziness, he could be referring to things like bacterial vaginosis, where unprotected sex or sex with multiple partners is an increased risk. But virgins and monogamous women can get it too, so it’s bad science.

  • texassa

    “Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free” is outrageous for more than reducing women to objects. It reduces marriage to sex! This (completely stupid) comment implies that the reason to get married is sex, just as the reason to own a dairy cow is for milk. Not only that, but it assumes men only want sex, not women, just as a dairy cow wouldn’t get milk from its owner. It also implies that women are “bought” in marriage just as one would buy a cow for milk. I am engaged to be married, and I can assure these toolbags that I’m nothing close to being bought. I have savings, retirement, assets, and a good career. But none of that is why my fiance wants to be my husband – it’s because he wants us to be partners! To imply that people get married so the husband can “buy” sex from his virgin wife only makes these fundie types look more and more pathetic and shows how they really view the “sacred” bond of marriage – as nothing more than lifelong prostitution!

  • Astrin Ymris

    Except that they have to have an orgasm when having sex with their hubby, because otherwise he might feel inadequate. But she’s not allowed to give any feedback which might help him give her an orgasm, because that falls under the category of “criticism”, which also threatens his fragile ego. Women are expected to have orgasms on cue, as an act of will.

    TL;DR– Almost all women’s orgasms in fundieland are faked.

  • Astrin Ymris

    If the cow has a college degree in a professional field so that she can earn the money to support herself, then she doesn’t have any pressing need to be “bought” within a short time frame. The market value of milk thus would have no bearing on her decision to be “bought” by any given farmer or not.

    I suspect that Steven is blaming the failure of the courtship system on the existence of secular women.

  • pagankitty

    If female orgasms are acknowledged as a real thing. They certainly weren’t/aren’t in the circles I grew up in. We just got the men got pleasure from the act/ women got pleasure from knowing they’re making their husbands happy bullshit.

  • pagankitty

    Ah true. I forgot that conservatives of this caliber tend to think of yeast infections and the like as something only slutty sluts get.

  • Nightshade

    Pretty much. Given the lack of information, and the elimination of any useful feedback from the woman, how is a guy supposed to figure out how to do it right? That’s assuming that her pleasure is considered important in the first place.

  • Rapunzel

    Another wonderful metaphor I’ve heard in these circles is (on the subject of makeup): “If the barn needs painting, paint it.” I don’t know if that particular phrase originated in fundie culture or not but (I think) that’s where I heard it, and it gets me FUMING every time I think about it.

  • Patricia Lakin

    Men who subscribe to the “don’t buy a cow for a bit of milk can be told that most women don’t want to buy a whole pig for a little sausage