Answering ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’ – Immunizations?

Answering ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’ – Immunizations? April 18, 2017

AnsweringAnother installment of giving better answers to the questions asked at Debi Pearl’s site message board for the book ‘Preparing To Be A Help Meet’. Many young ladies ask questions on all sorts of different subjects brought up by the book. There was just one big problem, many of the answers stray into either the outright bad and emotionally unhealthy to dangerous. Yes, typical Debi Pearl borderline abusive. Here’s what we’re going to be doing here at NLQ. Every week, once or twice a week, I’ll be posting up one of the questions from the message board and ask you, our readers, to answer that poor soul’s question in a way that is logical, rational and the best possible solution, in other words 180 degree turn from Debi and friends answers. As always  all spelling and grammar in the posting is unchanged from the original author.


I was recently accepted into an allied health career program in college and thus have to get several immunizations in order to participate in labs and clinical internships. I have the option to get titers drawn instead of receiving some of the immunizations, and for some of them, shots I got when I was a baby will suffice. But I’m anticipating having to get at least one or two immunizations soon. I have heard of various ways to lessen the possible bad side effects of immunizations (like my friends who feed their dog charcoal after it gets its required shots!) Do any of you have any experience with this or any ideas for how to prevent bad side effects of the shots? Thanks in advance!

What advice would you give this young lady? She was told to use vitamin C or try to opt out and there was some fear-mongering over mercury and vaccines.

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  • GHN

    For questions about health-related matters, such as immunizations, I suggest you go to someone who knows what they are talking about. Such as a real medical doctor, and NOT someone who has gained her “health education” on woo-filled internet sites.

  • AFo

    I’m giving this one tough love, because I’ve seen up close the effects unvaccinated kids can have. Unless there is a medical reason, like an allergy to the ingredients in the vaccine, grit your teeth and get the shots. You’re not only protecting yourself, but the vulnerable people around you.

  • AuntKaylea

    I’m reminded of Penn and Teller:

  • Mel

    If her plan is to opt out of routine vaccinations like the flu, she should be aware that she’s opting out of being employable in the health care field.

    People in hospitals and doctor’s office are generally acutely ill or undergoing a major physiological shock like giving birth or having an operation. They are at much higher risk of getting sick and at much higher risk of having complications from routine illnesses.

    After my son was born, I was in a very weakened state due to losing red blood cells from HELLP. Getting influenza from a lab tech, nursing assistant, nurse or doctor would have had me in the hospital for a long time.

    My son’s lungs are healing, but are still weak from being born so early. A cold could be dangerous for him; influenza would be a ticket back to the hospital – so every person near him at the doctor’s office better damn well be immunized.

    By all means, have your titers done; if you’re already immune, it will save you a shot or two. But don’t listen to the crazies who are telling you to try and opt out; they are destroying your career.

  • Sari

    Smallpox. Diphtheria. Anthrax. Typhoid (pretty sure?). I’ve received vaccinations for all of these and more. Take a OTC painkiller before the immunization (OMG especially for anthrax), and suck it up.

  • Jennny

    Isn’t this just that she’s been so indoctrinated to believe anything and anyone outside her weird bubble are out to do her harm? Like most folk I’ve had my share of immunisations, some voluntary so I could travel to China etc – most had no side effects and the few that did were soon alleviated with mild painrelievers. If you’ve been brainwashed to believe prayer is the only medicine you’ll ever need, irrational fear of vaccinations may well cause nasty side-effects because you expect that as punishment for not just praying disease away, but allowing evil scientists to have their way with you!

  • Saraquill

    I recommend looking away when the needle hits. That and following the advice of the other comments here.

  • Carra McClelland

    Side effects are rare and you will be working around people who’s immune systems might not be able to take someone being a carrier of something in their presence. Get the shots.

  • Nightshade

    Dear Don’t Want Vaccines:

    Do some research on the diseases immunizations prevent. Learn about the potential complications, the morbidity and mortality rates. Then ask yourself when is the last time you saw a child die from diphtheria? How many tetanus victims have you known? Are your friends dropping like flies from preventable infections? Think about it…then go get the damned shots. The side effects are very rarely worse than the diseases!

  • Nea

    How To Deal With Shots:
    1) If you don’t like needles, play a game or read social media on your phone while getting the immunization

    2) If you are worried about a reaction, get takeout for dinner and don’t do any chores. Relax the rest of the day. Shower. Get to bed at a reasonable time.

    That’s it. No charcoal (unless you like your meat well done), no old tales, no nonsense.

  • Ever Sienna

    Since all the comments did not directly answer HER question, which she has every right to have and to ask, here is my comment.
    Yes, there are some ways to “detox” from the effect of the vaccine. You should research that yourself, and vaccines in general, until YOU feel comfortable with the concept, one way or the other. If you are going into the western medicine health field, and you are unsure about vaccines, then you will have to usually fight for your beliefs. If you are up for it, then do it! I know many nurses who are forced to wear masks during flu season because they refuse to jeopardize their health with the flu shot. That does come with a price of a bit of shunning, and you would have to be strong. YOU have every RIGHT to decide what goes into your body, nobody, not even the medical “authorities” can decide that for you. If you are questioning vaccines, you might want to research and consider more holistic doctors, midwives, clinical herbalists or to look into chiropractic. There are many choices out there, and it is up to YOU to decide what you want.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I know one thing as someone with a compromised immune system that is on immunio suppressors. Any health care professional caring for me had BETTER be vaccinated! I have picked up Whooping Cough from unvaccinated children along with a few other ailments. I have had a life threatening reaction to a vaccination but I still get vaccinated. Don’t work in health care if you think vaccines are bad. It’s really junk science to think that not vaccinating is better. By not vaccinating you are putting the entire population at risk!

  • Ever Sienna

    That is your worldview, experiences, and perspective. I also know many that have auto-immune diseases who think completely the opposite. My only advice to a woman questioning vaccines is to not to necessarily “submit” to a medical authority just because “someone told her to” but to read all sides of an issue and decide for herself. To have “informed consent.” And I also agree that if she is questioning vaccines, that she might be happier looking into other health perspectives and careers, but again, that is still her choice to decide.

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    Shame on those nurses for endangering the health of their patients by refusing an extremely low-risk vaccine. I certainly wouldn’t want any of them near me or mine in the hospital, mask or no. They shouldn’t even be allowed to work as nurses if they refuse to take basic steps to protect the vulnerable people they care for. Plus, I can’t believe anyone who believes in vaccine woo would make a competent nurse. I prefer nurses who believe in science, thanks.

    And no, there are no ways to detox from vaccines because vaccines are not toxic. The amount of mercury in them is minute, just breathing is more “toxic” than that little jab.

    The law permits this woman to refuse vaccines if that’s what she wants but she is not owed a job in the healthcare field.

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    In order to make a decision based on informed consent, one must be working with information that isn’t bullshit. The earth is round, climate change is real, and vaccines are safe and effective. There is no legitimate “debate” about these things and the authority granted to medical professionals and researchers is not arbitrary but derived from the years they have spent studying and working in their fields. They earned that authority through hard work they put in to become experts. Some rando with a blog and an online supplement shop did not. You don’t get “informed consent” my by asking Professor Google. That is not how research works.

    Not all issues have “sides.” Some things are simply a matter of fact and facts are facts regardless of one’s worldview.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer
  • SAO

    I’m a firm believer in vaccination. That said, I often have a sore arm for a day or two afterwards, on occasion, I’ve had a low-grade fever afterwards.
    I recommend being as relaxed as possible when you get the shot. Next, take aspirin or something similar, particularly if you get a low-grade fever. If your symptoms are extreme or last longer than 2-3 days, see the doctor.

    For me, the flu shot, which I consider optional (I’m not a medical professional) is worth it. It used to be my family would lose a month to February flu season as one person after another got sick. That’s gone. I’d rather have a sore arm for a day or two than the flu for 2 weeks, then the job of nursing husband or kids.

    Remember, as a medical professional, you will be dealing with the sick, so if there’s an epidemic of vaccine preventable disease in your community, you’ll be on the front line.

  • SAO

    Most detox regimes are nonsense. Your body has evolved to deal with toxins. If you want to reduce the load on your liver, don’t drink alcohol or take Tylenol.

    Chiropracty and most alternative healthcare has no basis in science. “Subluxation” is not a term that any doctor with a scientific knowledge of the body ever uses. Herbal remedies are not regulated, so there’s no agency insuring that any of the ingredients on the package are in the bottle, but it generally doesn’t matter, since the remedies rarely actually do what they are claimed to do.

  • Emersonian

    Good lord. I work in a museum that sees over a million visitors a year. I get the flu vaccine every year, because no matter how much hand sanitizer I use, I’m going to be exposed to flu multiple times each winter. It has never had any significant side effects for me or any of my coworkers that I’m aware of. “Fighting for your beliefs” is great in religion and politics, but in matters of public health your “beliefs” aren’t even under discussion. Vaccines work to protect you and everyone around you, period.

  • Jennny

    …but she is not owed a job in the healthcare field. Exactly. A rule came out in the UK that clinical staff in hospitals must have bare arms below the elbow. There had been a big increase in hospital-acquired infections and it was thought this would help. A few objected, some females on religious grounds and a couple of my DD’s medic friends who were embarrassed to have to show scarred forearms from self-harm in their teen years. But the government said it must happen for the good of the majority. Even the Prime Minister on a visit to a hospital was refused entry by a senior doctor to a ward as he had a long-sleeved jacket on. You don’t go for a job in an abattoir if you love animals or join the air force if you are scared of heights. Just because you have the beliefs of an anti-science minority, the medical world cannot accomodate your highly dangerous non-vaccinated presence in a hospital.

  • Rapunzel

    Eat breakfast before you go. Don’t end up unconscious on the floor like me.

  • gimpi1

    If you’re going to be exposed to contagious diseases – either through lab work or by traveling to areas with active disease outbreaks – get the vaccines! They’ll save your life! You worry about the affects of vaccines? What about the affects of the disease? Diseases kill, and they spread. If you opt out of necessary vaccines, not only are you risking getting seriously ill yourself, you could expose others – people who can’t receive vaccines due to health problems.

    Vaccines have been extensively studied. They are as safe as any medical care is. You owe it to both yourself and the people around you to be vaccinated.

  • gimpi1

    I used to be needle-phobic. Then i was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and my treatment includes both weekly self-injected medicine and every-other-month fairly extensive blood-work. After all those needles, I found a few needed vaccines pretty ho-hum.

    You can get used to almost anything.

  • gimpi1

    The problem is that Susan’s “worldview” is fact-based and the world-views of those who regard vaccines as worse than epidemics is not. While people have a right to their beliefs -even beliefs that are factually wrong – they don’t have the right to endanger others based on factually unsupported beliefs.

    Facts matter. They matter more than belief. Facts are things that don’t change if you change your mind. One fact is that the plagues of infectious disease that caused so much suffering in the past has been greatly reduced by the development of vaccines. I’m pretty clear on this, as the daughter of a polio-survivor.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Funny how that happens. I was needle-phobic too. Then I needed four shots of Xolair a month to survive and got over that in very short order.

  • zizania

    I can’t remember who it was who said: “If I’d known I was going to be sick so much, I would have had a window and a tap installed”. (Or something like that) With all the procedures and blood work I’ve had done over the past 30 years, I can definitely relate. By the way, I’ve recently developed ANOTHER immune-system disorder, lichenoid keratosis. That makes either five or six now, depending on whether the rash on my arm turns out to be psoriasis. I also get a flu shot every year and have never had any side effects other than a mildly sore arm.

  • KarenOfRocks

    My podiatrist’s nurse is allergic to something (maybe eggs?) in the flu vaccine, so she ends up wearing a paper face mask at work, all day, every day, six months out of the year. She’d give a lot to be able to get that vaccine. I rather suspect that most health care professionals in the US now have the options of either being vaccinated or having to wear protective gear. Endangering patients is probably seldom one of the options.

  • KarenOfRocks

    My advice is, either suck it up and get the vaccines, or find another field. Really. If you can’t conform to best medical practices, you have no business going into health care. (I”m not including people in this statement who have real medical reasons for avoiding certain vaccinations, like an allergy to the eggs used to grow the flu vaccine.) You are entitled to believe whatever woo you want, but for the sake of the rest of us, don’t go into a field you don’t believe in.

  • texassa

    The only thing you should be scared of is the horrible, baseless fears you have been indoctrinated with since infancy. Immunizations have eradicated horrible diseases from humanity thanks to science and medicine. If you are old enough to be enrolling in an education program, particularly in HEALTH CAREERS, you are old enough to do some research on your own to understand what immunizations are.