Before You Meet Prince Charming: Part 2 Chapter 12

Before You Meet Prince Charming: Part 2 Chapter 12 October 24, 2017

princecharmingby Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows and Kids Collide

Let’s see.  We’ve learned that God does not arrange marriages through the unholy love child of a Renaissance-State Fair.  That’s proof for a loving and merciful God, I suppose.

Next we find out that one knight is not preparing for the fair.  Sir Valiant is busy doing other tasks that are critical for the safety of the kingdom – and apparently so secret that even the readers can’t know what they are.

A quick recap on Sir Valiant: On top of a virtue-signalling name, we know the King likes him, that he is busy fighting Lies (the Dragon) and Temptation (the Giant), and that the Princess has a crush on him.  She’s seen him twice – once when he was proclaiming a message when she was 16 and once for a short conversation when she was 21.

Sir Valiant approaches the castle to have a chat with the king:

The same knight of the kingdom was riding alone in the early summer along the stone road to the castle. The wind blew through this dark hair as he rode with dignity on his noble white steed. Crossing the bridge over the moat, the night heard an unexpected voice.

“From whence cometh ye?”

Looking around, the knight saw the alligator down below. “From yonder villages on the edge of the kingdom,” he answered.

” Be ye on important business?” asked the alligator.

” Be ye the castle receptionist?” returned the knight. “(pg. 223)

Wow.  That first paragraph manages to be purple prose without using ostentatious adjectives.  I’m impressed between giggles.  Does anyone in this kingdom ever have a bad hair day or a crabby horse?  

The advantage to a poorly characterized Sir Valiant is that I visualize Prince Humperdink from the movie “The Princess Bride” every time Sir Valiant appears.  After all, we know so little about Sir Valiant’s internal motivations that he may well be planning to marry the Princess then stage her murder to start a war.

Sir Valiant’s snappy comeback to the Alligator made me laugh.  I think that’s the only time I laughed from intended humor in the entire book.

“So then,” the alligator ask curiously, ” comest thou for the princess?”

“My business, oh wise one, is to report of the battles of the kingdom,” the knight answered.

“Battles? Oh my! Have we not peace throughout the borders? This be news to me.”

“We have not peace, o great counselor. I thought thou saidth that thou wast wise. Dragons and giants do roam the land.”

” Such news be nonsense,” replied the reptile. ” Thou art beginning to sound as foolish as the princess. I have not seen a giant in years, though a dragon or two have visited on occasion.”

“They have terrorized the land. Much damage has been done,” declared the knight.

” I cannot speak for Giants, but I fear that you misjudge dragons. They are often misunderstood,” spoke the alligator. ” Let them be. They intend no harm.”

” Thy words remind me of the evil dragon himself, oh superb analyst. Didst thou at one time live in a garden? I’m pleased to hear that the princess is not taken in by thy words.” (pgs. 223-225)

I see two giant issues within this section.  First, let’s discuss the literary issues.  When writing an allegory that has virtue and vice characters, the characters exist and fully live within the allegory.  The Kingdom is being terrorized by Lies the Dragon and Temptation the Giant – but no one outside of the Royal Family and Sir Valiant seem to be aware of their existence.  We learned in the last passage that the knights and men of the kingdom are so eager for advancement that they are spending the summer training for the King’s Ren-State Fair.  That implies that they are unaware of – or unconcerned about – the dragon and giant that are “terrorizing” the land.

This is also the section where the choice of a dragon to represent lies becomes clunky.  The Bible describes the critter in the garden who tempts Adam and Eve as a serpent. In the allegory, the Alligator generally tempts the Princess to flee from the CP/QF path.  Based on that trajectory, the most coherent choice for allegorical characterization would be Temptation the Snake.  Making that change would keep the point of the allegory while removing the jarring disconnect at the end when Sir Valiant combines the dragon, the serpent in Genesis 1, and the alligator into one incoherent mishmash.

Lies could be represented by the Giant – but I’m still completely unclear about why lies or temptation are represented by a Giant.  Both are far more sneaky and unobtrusive than a 30 foot tall man carrying a club.

Here’s the practical problem: this section is a perfect metaphor for how CP/QF adherents live in modern society.  CP/QF believers get completely up-in-arms about “issues” that are non-starters for the rest of society like women should wear skirts all the time, hormonal birth control causing miscarriages, the myth of supporting a family on one-income of a poorly educated male or leaving number and spacing of children up to “God” (e.g., sheer chance).  THIS is how CP/QF adherents sound to the rest of society – but they have no idea how insane they sound.

Most interesting of all – by the time Sir Valiant leaves he’s spent more time talking to the Alligator than to the Princess.

The knight had spoken of these matters with the king many times previously. He did, however, have another purpose for this visit to the king. He had long noticed and thought about the princess and sought, whenever the discussion allowed, to bring questions of her into the conversation as naturally as possible. He had often look for ways to talk about her without disclosing his personal interest. But he had decided that today was going to be different –it would be a day to speak of the matter more plainly. (pg. 225)

Sir Valiant sounds like a lovelorn teenager who doesn’t want other people to know he has a crush on the Princess but doesn’t realize that he talks about the Princess incessantly.  It’s a great characterization of the average teenager – but is Sir Valiant supposed to be that inexperienced and unskilled in social skills?

Equally unexplained is why Sir Valiant has waited years to approach the King about his interest in the Princess.  Seriously, Sir Valiant has been making attempts at bringing the Princess into conversations for multiple years – what has stopped him from saying “I’d like to court the Princess, please.”

Either way, the knight finally makes it into the castle, asks to see the king and is taken into a “private conference room” (pg. 225).  Yup, yup, castles totally have those.  *eye twitches convulsively* 
The King and Sir Valiant chat about the problems facing the Kingdom before Sir Valiant subtly asks the King what the Princess thinks about the upcoming Ren-State Fair.  The King uses fancy language to state that the Ren-State Fair is beneath the notice of a Godly Princess who cares about the people.  (You know, the Princess who helps people once every two years between epic moping sessions in the castle…..that Godly Princess.) 
Sir Valiant – who is suddenly more afraid than he’s been in battle against magical critters – politely asks what the King is looking for in a suitor for the Princess.

The King interprets that as the equivalent of Sir Valiant asking to marry the Princess.  Most strangely of all, this massive, terrifying misunderstanding doesn’t phase Sir Valiant at all.  He doesn’t run away screaming.  He doesn’t blanch or avoid social situations where the King or Princess will be; he just takes it in stride.

“Why asketh thou for her hand?” questioned the king. ” Why doth she please thee?”

” Sire, though she be a princess, I’ve seen no greater servant. And though she be beautiful, she gloweth even more greatly within. And, my Lord, though she hath opportunity to meet many a knight, she falls for none because she seeketh one. I find not, Sire, another maiden in the kingdom that be of such mind, heart, and demeanor.”

” Thou hast answered well, Sir Valiant. And not only with thy words, for I have observed also thy loyalty, diligence, faithfulness, and understanding. It would please me to give my daughter and my blessing to such as thyself. I shall talk to the princess and her mother on my behalf.”

The king spoke briefly with the queen, but they needed not a long discussion, for they had spoken of Sir Valiant many times before and had observed his faithful service. They knew of no other young man in the kingdom with his understanding and stature. The queen was delighted, as the king knew she would be. Then the king walked outside to meet the princess. (pg. 226)

*rubs head to relieve ache from thumping against the desk*

Describing a princess as being a “great servant” is the type of faux pas that leads to nobles falling from favor and diplomatic alliances between countries to break down.    “No, King, seriously, she’s a great charwoman!  I love how she can work for hours like a peasant!” is a great way for Sir Valiant to spend the rest of his life in one of those remote, tiny villages in the hinterlands of the kingdom.

The rest of the first paragraph is a joke.  Glowing from within means fairly little when heroine is already a drop-dead gorgeous princess with everything money can buy.   The princess has no discernible virtue at keeping her heart pure; she’s met one knight – Sir Eloquence – whom she did like in a wishy-washy way after a while before he was run off by the King.  After that, the Princess has been kept hermetically sealed in the castle and reproached about Sir Eloquence every time she wants to socialize.  Ms. Mally should have dropped “mind” and “heart” from the list; all Sir Valiant knows about the Princess from his two interactions with her is a bit about her demeanor.

I can’t figure out why the King thinks he knows much about Sir Valiant.  In the book, the King has meetings with Sir Valiant….and that’s it.  I have no idea how Sir Valiant would prove loyalty or faithfulness – the plot ignores any issues within the Kingdom like factions.  Really, at this point, Sir Valiant seems like a toady to the King – a yes-man who parrots what the King wants to hear back regardless if that information is true or accurate.

So…like the ideal husband for a CP/QF girl, actually.

I think we’ve reached the heart of the “singleness” curse afflicting CP/QF young adults.  Men won’t ask to court women because asking to court is the equivalent of getting engaged – without having a chance to determine how compatible two people are.  Women are secretly relieved on some level because suitors are being chosen on how well they impress her father rather than how well the couple suit each other.

Dating is sounding more and more appealing the farther into the book we get.

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Mel resides in Michigan with her husband and child on farm. With her years of teaching experience, keen mind and observational skills she always brings a deeper look at the issues of homeschooling, teaching issues, and explains the science behind behind quiverfull beliefs. Mother, wife, teacher and caregiver of a child with health challenges she always brings a measured and reasoned voice to NLQ.

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  • Tawreos

    One of the real problems here is that the author has not watched enough movies set in medieval times to know to tame down the archaic language a bit and to keep the same style in the narrative parts. Of course, what do I know I am not writing high faluting literature like this.

  • AFo

    Those excerpts from the book were basically unreadable. I also can’t get over how the author is presenting arranged marriage as some kind of gold standard without understanding how medieval marriages actually worked. The fact is, a princess marrying a knight with her father’s approval was very unlikely. The king would be more likely negotiating with the surrounding kingdoms that had an eligible prince or someone else of royal status available. And the man’s “honor and virtue” mattered less than what each kingdom got out of the deal, whether it was land, security, military alliances, and so forth. She’s right in that the princess would have to obey her father, just not for the reasons she seems to think.

    Regarding the whole “QF men don’t court QF girls anymore” situation, there was a post by the Pearls a while back that essentially admitted that these young men have given up on courting because the dads kept moving the goalposts and/or expecting that the wedding would happen almost immediately. That’s way too much pressure to put on someone, especially if they’ve been socially isolated and warned about interacting with the opposite sex their entire lives.

  • persephone

    Just tuned into this, though I don’t think I can handle reading the first part of this *cough* allegory *cough*.

    Princesses pretty much don’t marry knights. Just doesn’t happen. Princesses are too valuable a commodity to give to a knight. They’re for marrying off to other royal houses. They might be married off to a foreign duke or count, if the duke or count had large enough estates and plenty of political clout.

    Knights and princesses were parts of chivalric love stories, the romances that were only entertained in stories and imagination. A knight, of a high enough level in the nobility, might serve in court and entertain a crush on a lady of the court, but it would only be platonic. Marriages of the nobility were also generally arranged, so these romantic love interests were a way to have an emotional affair, without the physical side.

    /end historical rant

  • SAO

    The thing that is crazy to me is that as an only daughter in a sexist society, the princess’s husband is going to be the kingdom’s ruler some day. “Seems like a decent chap” is the standard to which Sir Valiant is held. The king thinks he is “loyal, diligent, faithful, and understanding.” He’s also quite the ass-kisser, given that he calls the alligator “oh wise one,” “o (sic) great counselor” and “oh superb analyst” and it doesn’t really read as sarcasm.

    Leadership is probably the most important skill. Can Valiant lead? Obviously not, if the other knights are letting dragons and giants wreck the kingdom. Does he have the support of the other nobles? Either they haven’t given it or he hasn’t asked. If Valiant has decent potential, the king should make him an army commander or minister of defense or some position where Valiant can demonstrate (or not) his skills.

    But, no, Valiant’s perfections are really his dark hair and his noble white steed. God forbid that the princess marry a man with a pie-bald horse!

  • Iain Lovejoy

    If, as I understand it, this book is supposed to be some sort of allegorical “how to” manual for aspiring QF Mrs Valiants, this is obviously a key point in it. Whatever the author says attracts Sir Valiant to the princess is what the readers will then seek to emulate to attract Sir Valiants of their own.
    Which, I imagine, puts the author in a bit of a bind.
    She can’t put it down to the princess’s beauty, because, firstly, that would be physical attraction, and lust, and a Bad Thing, and secondly because this would then encourage her QF readers to dress themselves up and try and look good to attract boys, which is exactly what this excremental book is trying to prevent.
    She can’t point to any active virtue or accomplishments either: to do so would encourage readers to go out and do stuff: get an education or get a job for example, or sonething like charitable work, visiting the elderly, championing good causes, getting involved in Church work, religious study and spiritual practice etc et, but the whole point is to encourage passively waiting for Sir Valiant to turn up, while the only things a QF bride needs to know how to do is to cook, clean and bear children.
    What she is left with is being a “good servant” – I.e. passively shuts up and does what she is told, and having carefully avoided any communication with the opposite sex. The “glow” is added in to reassure readers that despite having no accomplishments, doing nothing and having no distinguishing features whatsoever, somehow the “right” boy will magically discern through some kind of glow the “real her” if she just passively projects how good and nice she is and what a good wife she will make, without going so far as to actually say or do anything that might indicate this.

  • Aloha

    Though she be a princess, she can work like the meanest of peasants!
    Though her dress be of finest silk, her hands are rough with callouses and filthy dirty!
    Though her lineage might be royal, I trust she can work my fields like an ox.

    Please allow me to marry your daughter, so that she might become my lowest servant and field-wife.

  • Aloha

    I think the problem is, if we marry her into a far-flung kingdom, she’ll be outside of her father’s oversight.
    As we’ve observed with the Duggars, QF fathers like to keep their daughters nearby.

  • zizania

    And she can keep on working after dark, because she glows!