Quoting Quiverfull: Immodest Clothing Sexual Assault on Men?

Quoting Quiverfull: Immodest Clothing Sexual Assault on Men? October 25, 2017

quotingquiverfullby Mike Shoesmith on Carl Gallup’s radio show as quoted by Left Wing Nation – Trump-Endorsed Pastor Says Women Sexually Assault Men When They Wear Provocative Clothing

Editor’s note: At least we now know what our most recent troll was getting his ideas that reveling clothing was the same thing as feminists raping men. Bizarre to say the least.

Men are visually stimulated and unwanted stimulation should meet the basic definition of assault. When a man sees a naked or partially-dressed woman, a chemical reaction happens in his brain. Neurotransmitters like dopamine and serotonin are released, giving him an involuntary surge of pleasure. Notice the word ‘involuntary’ … Men are in a state of constant sexual assault by women who either don’t understand the severity of what they are doing, because it’s cute and they like the attention, or worse, they do know the feelings it stirs and like the control they have over men.

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  • Saraquill

    By “partially dressed,” I’m guessing the person means “any visible skin, including eyelids and fingertips. Any part of the woman that can be discerned through her clothes, such as panty lines, legs or breathing counts as well.”

  • Ungodly Sweet

    Oh that poor pastor, quick someone call him a waaabulance… and get him to HTFU.

  • karmacat

    If these men are so miserable, they should get their eyes removed. Problem solved!

  • Iain Lovejoy

    I presume that the pastor concerned excuses his own appearing in public without a burqa because he himself lacks any physical attraction for women whatsoever?

  • Chiropter

    Ah yes, my existing in a female body is totally the same thing as you physically assaulting me.
    Why did I never see the correlation before? My silly lady brain is just so inferior.

  • Tawreos

    The brain and it’s chemical makeup working the way it evolved to do so does not negate ones responsibility for their own actions.

  • And yet *no* awareness whatsoever that women are just as capable of being “visually aroused” by the sight of a man in any state of dress or undress possible… *eyeroll*

  • Nightshade

    A woman can have an involuntary jolt of fear when a man she doesn’t know speaks to her or even looks in her direction, because she doesn’t know his intentions. So a thoughtless glance towards a woman counts as assault, right?

  • lisu

    Incidentally, has anyone noticed that a few of these pastor types seem to go in for sexual assault themselves? And I don’t mean wearing revealing clothing.

    To describe anyone who thinks they are being sexually assaulted when they encounter women in revealing clothing as a baboon is to disparage baboons.

  • Raging Bee

    Silly atheist, that only happens to sluts who don’t pray often or sincerely enough! /s

  • Anonyme

    Unless one is actually seeking them out, one does not see naked women in everyday life.
    Also: one of these things is not like the other. I doubt seeing “partially dressed or naked women” can lead to trauma, depression, and PTSD.

  • Anonyme

    It’s too bad there isn’t a famous book valued by Christians that actually says the same thing (albeit metaphorically) 😉

  • SAO

    Well, frankly, I’m a lot less concerned about a jolt of pleasure from seeing a good-looking guy than a jolt of blech from seeing a fat jerk like Harvey Weinstein.

  • Iain Lovejoy

    “Incidentally, has anyone noticed that a few of these pastor types seem to go in for sexual assault themselves?”
    By this pastor’s logic, wouldn’t a sexual assault on a woman wearing “provocative clothing” then count as self defence, since she sexually assaulted him first? Perhaps he’s getting his excuses in early.

  • The concept of “provocative clothing” rests solely on the person judging what is provocative. In Saudi Arabia, a woman not wearing a burqa yet still mostly covered would be considered wearing provocative clothing. So how can I possibly determine what someone else might consider “provocative clothing”? There’s no excuse for sexual assault, period – the perpetrator is solely responsible.

    As for this wingnut and his statement, I just shake my head. If he even understood what sexual assault really was, he would never make such a moronic statement.

  • bekabot

    breathing counts as well

    This is why I’ve thought about advising the manufacturers of RealDolls and similar toys not to make their products too lifelike. What these guys are after isn’t a woman or even a pet; it’s a household appliance, and should come off like one.

  • bekabot

    Yeah, all that fussing over flowers and clothing and interior decoration and jewelry and the color of the wallpaper (for good or ill) — all of it happens because women simply can’t be visually aroused. (You heard it here.)

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    If women dressed as clowns you know there has to be freaky guys out there that would be turned on…

  • Iain Lovejoy
  • Finding Home

    Using his (wildly inaccurate) definition of assault, I would like to report that I’ve been repeatedly assaulted by chocolate cake and cinnamon rolls over the course of my lifetime.

  • Julia Childress

    Exactly. I know I felt assaulted by our waiter at a restaurant last night when he brought the dessert tray around. I definitely had a surge of pleasure looking at those enticing treats, and it was all I could do to keep from just snatching one off the tray.

  • zizania

    Don’t forget kittens.

  • Aloha

    D’ya have a license for those breasts? Its lethal weapons you’ve got there.

  • AFo

    Do words mean anything to these people? Sexual assault has a pretty clear definition. Of course, acknowledging that would mean they couldn’t attack and slut-shame women just for existing…

  • Sandpirate

    Well, kittens do often lie in wait for you to come around a corner and then pounce at you or climb up your leg. Although their cuteness is much more of a time killing attack.

  • Sandpirate

    I know you are being sarcastic, but these people obviously aren’t watching enough TV or go out of the house much. I dare these Quiverfull ladies to watch a show like Arrow, pretty much any cop/military show and not be aroused at least somewhat. I’m not even talking shirtless scenes.

  • katiehippie

    Women don’t like sex, silly…..

  • katiehippie

    What he’s really saying is that this happens to him and he can’t control himself so he should be locked up. Right?

  • texassa

    Are men superiorly strong, smart, and in charge of everything, or are they fragile, weak, penis-hosts? It cannot be both. (In truth, it is neither.)

  • texassa

    omg #metoo

  • texassa

    A close relative of mine has worked with the televangelist John Hagee in the past and has seen him in the company of prostitutes.

  • texassa

    Do words mean anything to these people? No! That’s why they like Trump!

  • Samantha Vimes

    “A surge of pleasure” is not a sexual assault. The idea that it is shows he has a rapist’s mentality.

  • Karen the rock whisperer

    I’m quite willing to accept the assertion that men are more easily aroused than women. But I can’t get past a reaction of so, what? Most men just deal with it, accept the passing thoughts, and get on with life. A thought is just a thought, a fleeting thing if you let it be.

    The obsession with thought crimes has always baffled me. But then, policing people’s thoughts is a good way to help keep them under control, and the guiltier they feel, the more money they put in the collection basket on Sunday.

  • Iain Lovejoy

    “I was trying to convert them, convert them, do you hear! Why won’t anyone believe me?!”

  • Iain Lovejoy

    I can think of a number of people whom seeing partially dressed or naked I imagine might leave me in danger of trauma, depression and PTSD, but not for the reason proposed by the pastor.

  • smrnda

    unwanted stimulation should meet the basic definition of assault

    I think what he really means is unwanted arousal – no manual stimulation has occurred. The problem is that arousal is involuntary so the notion kind of falls apart. People who have sexual feelings will report arousal from time to time, even when there’s nothing obviously causing it.

    Sexual assault is totally disconnected from arousal or pleasure. If someone gropes a person whether or not that is sexual assault doesn’t rely on the reactions of their body.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    why am I not surprised at all! My father used to see Jimmy Swaggert around south Louisiana with prostitutes for at least several years before his scandal.

  • paganheart

    That’s what I’m thinking; I know I don’t want to be anywhere near this guy. It sounds like he has the impulse control of a toddler.

  • pinkie

    With his penis?

  • pinkie

    I read a story on that, too bad I can’t remember the name now. It involved a company that made various models of realistic sex dolls – the most human-like ended up not wanting to have sex with its owner.

  • bekabot

    Well, thus far I’m considering things from the owner’s point of view. Men who want women can get women, for the most part. Men who want something else…are welcome to invent it for themselves. But by virtue of the fact that they do want something else, it stands to reason that they’re not content with what’s already on offer, or the endless specifications of what’s wrong with what’s there would never have got their start. Would they?

  • Well, *I* don’t… but I’m also not the only woman in existence and I’m not the standard by which all women are supposed to be defined… and I’m also more intellectually honest than some of these jackwagons. *deep sigh* Dear gak, these prejudices are endlessly tiresome.

  • *laughs softly* I know it’s a joke, but just seeing that line in contrast to what’s *currently* going on inside my head and heart and soul where I feel like I’m dancing on the line between a strange variation on Christianity and just embracing some form of Paganism… it makes the highlighting of the bigotries and assumptions even more humorous to me.

  • Trellia

    Or go into the romance section of a bookstore. That’s why all the covers just have the title and author’s names, and not any pictures of hunky guys. Really, I don’t know why they bother with images. 😉

  • Iain Lovejoy

    Haven’t you heard of the “rod of correction”?

  • Lucy

    You know, it’s quite remarkable how these people claim “unwanted pleasure” from a woman is sexual assault, but when someone with sensory processing disorder, autistic or not, gets a physically painful sensation from unwanted sounds or touch, or practically feels like screaming because the light is too bright or someone was speaking too loudly or inflicted an unwanted and unexpected performance on them (god I hate when they do that without warning – if you want to play me music, please do so when I am in the mood – some of it can be loud and overstimulating) or if a person is feeling physically ill because of someone else’s perfume or repeatedly pressured to eat food that they hate so bad it makes them gag or close to it, what do those people say? Get over it! They say that in all those cases. And guess what? The sensory hells I just described are far more “assault-like” in nature than a glance at a pretty woman is.

    They should get over it, not tell people with SPD to get over sensory hell. After all, all one has to do is turn their head and not look at the pretty woman. It’s that simple.

    Oh, and another thing. This is awfully hypocritical coming from the I-hate-trigger-warnings crowd. After all, being triggered by something is far more like assault than what he describes there. And even those of us in favor of trigger warnings don’t accuse someone of assault for failing to put them up – if the trigger is unusual and can’t be warned against, we’re fine with them not doing the warning because it’s impossible to anticipate every trigger but not fine with them being a dick to the person who was triggered, and if the person fails to give a common trigger warning and shits on traumatized people, we call the people who shat on the triggered person “assholes”, not “assaulters”.

  • Lucy

    Or Donald Trump. I mean, ew.

  • Lucy

    Or geez, look up the term “man candy”. They didn’t invent that term for nothing.

  • Mimc

    I actually bought this lie about women not being aroused by that stuff for a long time just because I’m not. Then I spent enough time with other women to correct my thinking. lol. I also learned the word demisexual which is probably the best description of my sexual experience.

  • firebubbles310

    No. Because it it all about the menz. If she was at home where she belonged or only left with her owner… er husband, then there would be no problems.

    Seriously. There is less and less difference between evangelical xtianity and fundamentalist Islam.

  • Sandpirate

    I also bought that lie, even though I was very attracted to men. I thought there was something wrong with me because most churches I went to said I shouldn’t have thoughts like that. I had to look up demisexual, but I think it describes some people I know very well, even me at certain points in my life.

  • Carstonio

    The possibility that they actually believe such nonsense is very remote. Anyone who honestly believed that men cannot control themselves around women would conclude that men need to be on lockdown 24/7 for the protection of women and of society. Or, if this were a dystopian novel, the society would have implants on men’s brains that make them see women as formless blobs. No, it’s the same old story of rationalizing the control of women.

  • Carstonio

    I might have bought into the lie, but only because men too often act like entitled jerks. Difficult to see how a straight woman or a gay man might find any such person arousing. I like chocolate, but I might lose my taste for it if people kept telling me I wanted it when I wasn’t hungry. Or assumed I granted consent to have it shoved in my mouth, just because I left the house with my stomach. Or called me a chocolate tease if I walked past the candy aisle without buying anything.

  • BridgetD

    A lot of kittens I’ve known will first assault you with their adorableness, then they’ll use your weakened state as an opportunity to strike :P.

  • BridgetD

    Yep. But they totally don’t want “Sharia law” here, right?

  • BridgetD

    I’m asexual, so while I might think a person (male or female) is good-looking, I have never been aroused…I didn’t grow up with this lie, so I just figured I was just broken for the longest time :P. If I had grown up in an evangelical household, I probably would have eaten that BS up.

  • BridgetD

    Not the weirdest fetish I’ve ever heard of. People are into some of the strangest things.

  • firebubbles310

    It isn’t Sharia! It is God’s law. They saw with no sense of irony. Lol

  • lady_black

    I just explained that to another idiot. Erection is a reflex that occurs independent of the will. It occurs in most men numerous times while he is sleeping, and it occurs in baby boys (I know, I had two)! It has no particular significance, while it may be a source of embarrassment, it’s really no more meaningful than a yawn or a sneeze, EXCEPT when it occurs because a man in in the midst of a sexual encounter.

  • Hannah

    I’m just thinking of all the men who need locking up for assaulting me with their sexiness and making me feel all funny. It’s quite a long list. Except, you know, I’d rather men who did actually go around sexually harassing, assaulting and raping women got locked up. If a man cannot control himself because he sees a woman in a short skirt, he shouldn’t be allowed out of the house.