Doug Wilson Dislikes Women and Leggings

Doug Wilson Dislikes Women and Leggings June 22, 2019
Here in Costa Rica the idea of gender roles is relaxed enough to have unisex restrooms with the only designations being mermaids or centaurs. Leggings might be the most modest article of clothing you see worn here. Even in church.

One thing is for sure, Doug Wilson of Blog and Mablog never met an idea about shaming women he didn’t like. In this  confusing mess of word salad Doug explains why he thinks leggings are not modest clothing and shows his sneering dislike of women. Whatta man!

First we start with a list that Doug thinks about women. It’s a pretty weird list including that quote from yesterday involving his lie about very submissive wives needing fewer tranks and antidepressants.

Then there’s this:

“I believe that the Bible requires the older women to teach the younger women how to make flaky buttermilk biscuits.”

Doug does not seem to realize you can get pre-made biscuits, frozen biscuits or canned biscuits just as good as homemade. No woman need slave over Doug’s stupid biscuits.

I wonder if he realizes that is certain circles in the Deep South a ‘biscuit’ can also refer to a lovely lady’s most intimate parts, her genitalia? Doesn’t that just put a whole different spin on his advice there?

I almost find his attempt at a witticism about women cooking to be more offensive than his claims about mental health medications for women, women gloating over male failures, women’s Bible study sessions being a stitch and be a witch group and comparisons to wrestling bears in slacks. He seems to be laboring under the idea that only women can make biscuits, only older women can teach this to women, like it’s important instead of another mindless gendered chore he dreamed up.

He goes on to claim that a woman wearing a pair of leggings is usurping a man’s power and authority.

“The point for the feminists in all this is not the sexual part but rather the defiant and rebellious usurpation of authority part. Sex is just the instrument. A common theme in all the angry responses to any complaint whatever is that the patriarchy has nothing whatever to say about matters such as this, and that if a woman wants to walk down the street looking like a couple of bear cubs wrestling playfully in small sack, the men need to learn how not to reduce women to a part of their bodies. “Respect me as a person,” the bear cubs seem to be saying, and that is certainly one point of view. But science is science, and nature is nature, and if the woman is unattractive, nobody wants to see that, and if the woman is attractive, then godly men really don’t want to see that. This leggings parade is not (in most instances) a personal and lascivious “screw me” invitation. It is an insolent and culture-wide “screw you” that is aimed at the patriarchy and men in general. The root sin in it is a lack of submissiveness, along with defiance offered to the very idea of submissiveness.”

Doug also does not understand that women wear yoga pants and leggings because……… drum roll please…….. they are COMFORTABLE, not to make his wee-wee swell up. Comfort, practicality, price, and a million other reasons that are none of his business!

This is one of the things I do not get about Quiverfull any longer. Why do any of these guys think that their opinion holds any water with any woman that isn’t their own wives or daughters?

He spends the rest of the piece whining that the whole world scoffs or laughs at his personal notions of modesty, complaining about feminists and other mockers that refuse to accept his authority. A righteous  QF man’s temper tantrum on not being taken seriously.

Dear Doug, if you want to be taken seriously, you merely have to stop with the ridiculous ideas that you have any influence or say so in this world, and start behaving like an esteem-able person. not a contemptuous prig.


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  • This leggings parade is not (in most instances) a personal and lascivious “screw me” invitation. It is an insolent and culture-wide “screw you” that is aimed at the patriarchy and men in general. The root sin in it is a lack of submissiveness, along with defiance offered to the very idea of submissiveness.”

    Take away the word “sin” and I partly agree with him. Women know there are men out there who presume they can control our behavior and make us do their homework for them by dressing to avoid making them feel lust instead of letting them control their own lusts the way Jesus actually commanded. We don’t so much defy them as ignore them, but doing what you think makes the most sense in the face of opposition is always going to be at least partly defying opposition.

    What would really be nice is not having the opposition to what should be our own choices there to defy.

  • Nightshade

    ‘…an insolent and culture-wide “screw you” that is aimed at the patriarchy.’ Cool. Now I want to wear leggings all day, every day. ‘Lack of submissiveness’?
    Yep. Any questions?

  • Delta

    This may be news to Doug, but he is not the center of the universe around which women’s lives revolve. They are not doing things to please, spite, or “usurp” him.

    Doug has no authority to usurp.

  • Friend

    People secretly love what they complain about. All publicity is good publicity. By railing against leggings, Doug is fueling their popularity, probably because he loves watching bear cubs wrestle in small sacks. “Look! Looooooooook!” he shrieks, pointing and running around in little circles. “Look at the horrible leggings!!!!! Boy oh boy, is God ever mad today!!!!!!!!!”

    Your Totally Reliable Lesson of the Day. The song “Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polkadot Bikini” changed history:

    At a time when bikini bathing suits were still seen as too risqué to be mainstream, the song prompted a sudden take off in bikini sales and is credited as being one of the earliest contributors to the acceptance of the bikini in society. The early 1960s saw a slew of surf movies and other film and television productions that rapidly built on the song’s momentum.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itsy_Bitsy_Teenie_Weenie_Yellow_Polkadot_Bikini

    I know, I know: correlation is not causation. The song was not negative. But I can dream, can’t I?

  • LaMaria

    I don´t like leggings. So I don´t wear them. Case closed.

  • Littleblueheathen

    It’s been over forty years since I went to a fundie school where pants weren’t allowed, frumpers only. I was reprimanded for wearing pants(hip-huggers – gasp!) and shorts outside of school hours. So basically everything I wear to this day is an insolent “screw you” to the patriarchy. Full disclosure, though, I don’t like how leggings look on me so I don’t wear them.

  • Nightshade

    He must be an extremely self-centered person, to take everything women say, do, and wear so personally.

  • AFo

    Doug whines about no one taking him seriously, then goes on to complain about leggings being an evil feminist plot to embarrass men, and never makes the connection between the two.

  • Allison the Great

    Doug does NOT know how to stick to a point and follow it all the way through. He couldn’t do it to save his life. He always goes on these tangents that have nothing to do with whatever bullshit point he’s trying to make. Maybe he should have his wife, the woman who supposedly writes English textbooks proofread his posts for him? Maybe his daughter could do that for him? It’s almost hilarious that from his writing style, one can tell that he thinks he’s a genius. Lol, no, Doug.

    And why the fuck can’t he stop being whiney ass titty baby about everyone knowing he’s a moron and get off his petulant ass and make his own goddamn biscuits? Jesus Christ I’m surprised he can even wash himself without throwing a fit about having to do it.

  • Mimc

    Talk about a narcissist. He thinks women think about what he wants and then intentionally defies him when we get dressed in the morning. I can’t speak for everyone but I typically take into account the weather, what activities I have planned for the day, and my own mood when I put on clothes and that’s pretty much it. I don’t even think about what my husband likes much less what some self appointed Christian patriarch might think.

  • paganheart

    “Doug Wilson dislikes women….”

    Could’ve summed it up right there….

  • Iain Lovejoy

    Doug is being quite open and honest here, and largely accurate. His hatred of women wearing trousers comes from its constantly reminding him that there is nothing whatsoever he can do about it. The lie he clings to, though, to satisfy his pathetic ego, is that women are doing it to defy him and his “submissiveness”. The bitter truth which he cannot accept is women no longer caring sufficiently about what he thinks to even bother defying it.

  • Kathryn

    The people who want women to just “submit and bake biscuits” like to think of career women as domestically handicapped dingbats who can’t even make a decent cup of tea without burning the water. Only submissive housewives can make a truly kingly spread. This is not even close to reality; I know a female astrophysicist who could make incredible food, a female professor who could knit beautifully, a female engineer who could decorate rooms like a pro. Educated career women are often also brilliantly well-rounded people in varied respects. These paleo Confederate types do not handle the idea of complex, multi faceted women without making angry noise about it.

  • SAO

    Well, Wilson is probably right that lack of submissiveness is the problem. Submission means that a man’s opinions and preferences matter more than a woman’s. Thus what Wilson wants or doesn’t want to see should, in his view, matter more than what a woman wants to wear.

    But the truth is, most women don’t give a damn about his opinion. It’s not a ‘screw you’, it’s a blank stare of incomprehension at the idea that his opinions matter.

  • persephone

    I wear loose cut knit pants all the time. They’re comfortable and they meet work clothing guidelines.

    I find the super skinny short pants on men kind of funny. Definitely not hot. They just look so uncomfortable and like they’re trying to fit into their pants from middle school.

  • persephone

    I was pushing back at a SW E RF on twitter today. They just don’t get that they’re doing the dirty work of the patriarchy. I’m not an S W. Many women are, and as long as it is their choice, cool. Let’s focus on the children being traf ficked, the children being taken from their parents and locked in ca ges to die, the children being mol es ted and ra pe d by govern ment of fic ers. Let’s be serious about what really counts.

  • persephone

    But if you’re not thinking about him, how can he possibly exist? And all women were placed on earth by go d to be used by men, so we must always always keep that at the front of our thoughts.

  • persephone

    Considering where Doug lives, I doubt there are that many women in leggings. He’s in one of the reddest states ever, thanks to Mormons and RWNJ Christian homeschoolers.

  • persephone

    Do you think if we send him a Victoria’s secret catalog, he’ll have a heart attack?

  • Iain Lovejoy

    Got to be worth a shot…

  • Saraquill

    I dislike leggings as trousers.* Unlike Doug, I’m capable of moving on with my life.

    *Butts aside, often times the pattern matching is non-existent, and the fabric of poor, short lived quality.

  • Friend

    Well, I did find a store that sells them. Afraid to name it here for fear that the Jerk o’ th’ Kirk will make life miserable for them.

  • Aloha

    Are frumpers coulottes? I’ve never heard that word.

    Plus, isn’t the idea of little girls running and playing in dresses a little suspicious? Almost seems like someone is scheming to see their underwear.

  • Aloha

    But they’re cheap. In my husband’s 3rd world country, it’s pretty much all you can buy unless you go to a department store.
    I s’pose I wear them for the same reason. Capri leggings and a long shirt is pretty much my everyday uniform.

  • Friend

    Girls used to run around in skirts and dresses all the time. Only in their teens were they urged to smooth their skirts and keep their knees together. Most people did not think seeing little girls’ underwear, especially from the back, was alarming. It was just something that happened when they bent over or reached up. This sewing machine manual shows a little girl watching her mother at the Kenmore (early 1970s):

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-Sears-Kenmore-Instructions-Model-1803-Zig-Zag-Sewing-Machine-/223534237713?oid=223466862184

    I wish we could be vigilant about girls’ safety without linking every single solitary blasted thing to s#x.

  • S*ex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminist.

  • Does Doug know that I can look up a buttermilk biscuit recipe via Google? Because I have.

    Either way, I wouldn’t make biscuits for him; he’s far too self-important for my liking. (I do, however, want to make biscuits for my husband, because my husband is a pretty awesome guy…)

  • Saraquill

    There are sturdy yet inexpensive materials, and prints that look nice without the need to match patterns. Shame on the manufacturers for selling shoddy product.

  • Saraquill

    Ick. I’m not surprised they still exist, but disappointed.

  • persephone

    “Sex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminist”.

  • Ingeborg Nordén

    The only authority that Neanderthal has is in his twisted mind.

  • Ingeborg Nordén

    I live in a nursing home and usually wear shapeless medical gowns (not a turn-on to most people, thank goodness!) My nearest male relatives are halfway across the continent; they might disapprove of some choices I made, but never limited me to the “mommy track”. My current religion includes some old-fashioned gender roles; but no fellow Heathen claims that I’m bound for the underworld because I can’t bake. If the Biblical Heaven is going to be full of lunatics like Doug Wilson, I don’t want to go.

  • Jennifer

    Hahaha.

  • Jennifer

    Too bad one of the three female saps in his life won’t tell him that.

  • Jennifer

    Why is it exclusionary?

  • Jennifer

    If they ever cared to begin with. Most women I imagine have never heard of him; our former young associate pastor, who was excellently educated and knew many religious authors’ names, couldn’t remember hearing his at all when I mentioned it.

  • smrnda

    Wilson and such tend to glorify the 1950s as the ideal USians era, but that was the time where processed, packaged and microwave food first became widely consumed. If anything, it was a time when cooking skill perhaps when downhill, to be resurrected in the present thanks to the internet which is full of useful videos and content.

    And as people have said, many of the recipes posted by QF women like Lori leave a lot to be desired.

  • smrnda

    Leggings are just sort of practical clothes. It’s easier to find leggings that will fit than many other articles of clothing since they’re made to stretch. This is also why many parents are buying them for their girls – it means they won’t be as quickly outgrown and work when the kids are sort of between sizes. A woman can wear leggings and dress up a bit and can drop a layer and be ready for the gym.

    And outside of proponents of Christian patriarchy and writers of dress codes I’ve never heard of anyone regarding leggings as particularly hot or s ex y attire.

  • Astreja

    Or a smirk and an eye-roll.

  • Mimc

    It would be nice if we could make mysoginists non-existent by not thinking about them.

  • Nefercat

    Geez. In biblical times, men wore the equivalent of long nightgowns with their robes hanging open. Lemmee know when the Dougster insists on “biblical” attire for men.

  • Nefercat

    As if he doesn’t already get them, addressed to Dougletta at a PO box.

  • Nefercat

    if a woman wants to walk down the street looking like a couple of bear cubs wrestling playfully in small sack

    What a snotty and crude insult, pointing out that a woman might not have a tight and firm enough ass to give Doug pleasure and therefore that ass shouldn’t be seen in public. Like there aren’t plenty of men who are not quite Greek gods strolling down the street. But you know what? If those men are content and happy in whatever they are wearing, good for them.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Yes, just look at Jill Duggar Dillard’s blog if you want prove of that.

  • Karen

    My husband is a severe diabetic. Biscuits will kill him if he eats too many. Doug apparently thinks I should force my husband to eat something deadly.

  • Karen

    Wilson and his followers are all pretty much the opposite of physically attractive. That’s okay for people who don’t judge others for their hotness, but since Wilson took time out of his busy day to mention that he thinks some women look bad in leggings, I will take time to say he looks ugly in everything.

    Now that I’ve type that, I see something important: patriarchy is the way ugly and unattractive men get mates. In a fair world, Doug would have to work at looking good and being charming or learn to make his own damn biscuits and clean his own, lonely, house. The same goes for all patriarchs, from Trump to Limbaugh to all the pasty—faced, polyester-suited men of Christian Patriarchy. They’re dumb, rude, and physically ugly and the only way they get the attention of women at all is by forcing us to do so.

  • Friend

    Most definitely processed and packaged, but I think microwave ovens showed up in homes in the 1970s. The 1950s and 1960s featured frozen TV dinners that had to be heated in the oven, “boil-in-bag entrees,” and Jiffy Pop popcorn in a disposable pan that performed a small show on the stovetop.

    Microwave ovens scared the heck out of large numbers of people. They would literally run out of the room.

  • Defensis Prime

    …you have never made biscuits of any stripe for me. You’ve shared a couple Biscotti with me–that’s as close as you’ve gotten.

    I’m not saying I didn’t appreciate that–this is an observance, not a complaint.

    :p

  • Saraquill

    There are offshoots of feminism that shit on other marginalized groups. Such twits have degraded me for being an abuse victim, disabled, PoC etc. As sex workers are vulnerable to financial exploitation, physical abuse and so on, they are a target for ill will.

  • Trellia

    I work with lab animals and am studying for a certification. I also do cross-stitching and crochet baby blankets. My ‘Ecco the Dolphin’ one took about two and a half years, and I only finished it that quickly because my job at the time was eliminated. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7ae4d1ab1cdf268f3e19f7c90eabfcc9dacdc4de6535c9bbb6bc7abd5a19538e.jpg

  • Jennifer

    Oh wow, had no idea they’re ugly to different races and abuse victims! How awful.

  • bekabot

    This leggings parade is not (in most instances) a personal and lascivious ‘screw me’ invitation. It is an insolent and culture-wide ‘screw you’ that is aimed at the patriarchy and men in general.

    Question: “WHY can’t you give me the RESPECT that I’m ENTITLED to?”

    Answer: Because I am not one of your FANS, Doug.

    (Drama kings…)

  • bekabot

    I draw the line at middle-aged men in Speedos in malls. That’s terrible.

  • paganheart

    Based on the pics I’ve seen of Dougie, he might be pre-diabetic or diabetic himself…maybe he’s sulking because his wife won’t make him biscuits anymore? I know my Dad sulked for weeks when my Mom told him she wouldn’t be making him biscuits and gravy for Sunday brunch anymore, after his Type II diabetes diagnosis. Biscuits are high on the list of “Thou Shalt Not Eat” things the diabetic educator gave him apparently.

  • paganheart

    Exactly. The reason why these guys are so nostalgic for the “good old days” is because, frankly, it was a lot easier for them to find mates. In a world where women had limited access to education and the good-paying jobs that come with it, women couldn’t afford to be picky. Many girls had to marry high-school sweethearts, or the first post-high school guy who showed interest, because they lacked access to the resources to support themselves and faced a desperate future without a male to “provide” for them. Guys like Dougie, Larry et al. could be horrible human beings and still find wives without trying too hard. It was even easier in the “biblical” days when women were little more than chattel to be bought and sold, and males like Dougie could pick and choose the girls they wanted (or so they like to believe.)

    Seems like mediocre males like Dougie can’t deal with the reality that women just don’t NEED them anymore; we might WANT them, but we don’t necessarily need them. I know it’s very hard to grow, adapt and evolve, but these guys just don’t even want to try….

  • Karen

    They know no woman would ever WANT them and they’re willing to destroy the world rather than make themselves more pleasant.

  • Karen

    That’s gorgeous!!

  • Nefercat

    The reason why these guys are so nostalgic for the “good old days” is because, frankly, it was a lot easier for them to find mates. In a world where women had limited access to education and the good-paying jobs that come with it, women couldn’t afford to be picky.

    I am old enough to remember being told that I could always “fall back on teaching” (if I didn’t, you know, land a man). Whether I was interested in or had an aptitude for teaching was irrelevant.

  • Saraquill

    To clarify, it wasn’t SWERFs (as far as I know) I’d encountered, but still disgusting people.

  • fractal

    Do you think that “PEOPLE OF WALMART” site is Doug’s porn?

  • Trellia

    Thank you! It’s one of my favorite games, and I love the Atlantis levels so much.

  • Erik1986

    Huh. My folks were either extremely librul or just didn’t care. The only pics I can find of myself wearing a dress are “special occasions” (my brother’s baptism – that didn’t take LOL – or my confirmation – that didn’t take either.) The rest of the time, jeans, jeans, jeans (circa 1950s). Of course, that was in San Francisco, in the Haight, specifically, tho’ long before it became identified with the counter-culture. Still, it was a fairly integrated and relaxed kinda neighborhood.

  • Erik1986

    Solid colored leggings, mid-thigh or slightly lower patterned (or non-patterned, for that matter) tunic, heels or flats. Comfy, work appropriate, non-restrictive.

  • Friend

    I guess my point was that wearing a skirt didn’t stop girls from playing actively. At our local girls’ school, girls in uniform skirts could be seen daily doing headstands and cartwheels during outdoor recreation. (Gym uniforms were a different thing entirely…)

  • Astrin Ymris

    Biblical Gender Roles/Larry Solomon doesn’t even try to hide it. He openly pines for the Good Old Days when women were denied education and couldn’t own and/or control property, so they had to marry and couldn’t afford to be to selective about about their husband’s character and appearance.

  • My boss wears those super skinny pants all the time. Horrible.

  • Quinsha

    When I was going to elementary school, years ago, girls had to wear dresses or skirts. The school playground was paved with asphalt. All the girls used to go around limping with skinned knees while the boys could safely run around. I am now 57 and I still have the scars on my knees.

  • Lily Erickson

    This leggings parade is not (in most instances) a personal and lascivious “screw me” invitation. It is an insolent and culture-wide “screw you” that is aimed at the patriarchy and men in general.

    I mean, and I can’t believe I am saying this, Doug is actually kind of onto something here! Of course, he sees saying “screw you” to the patriarchy and men in general as a bad thing, but still, he has like, half a thought going here.

  • 24CaratHooligan

    I’m the only woman on site at my workplace. I’m currently sporting shorts, a sleeveless top and supremely sexy steel-capped safety boots and so far none of my male colleagues has even so much as sighed in my direction despite the skin on show. It’s amazing how much most men don’t even think about the things this man-baby makes such a fuss about…

  • se habla espol

    He could take my aunt’s route. When she was diagnosed with diabetes II, and told that her allotment of biscuits was no more than one daily, she just stopped cutting them into small rounds and filled the pan with her one monster biscuit for the day.