Biblical Gender Roles Wants Forced Births?

Biblical Gender Roles Wants Forced Births? November 27, 2019

This statement of Larry Solomon’s just gobsmacks me. It sounds like something out of the Hulu television show “The Handmaid’s Tale” with women being forced by evil Evangelical government to conceive and give birth to babies they do not want. Forced births. This was lurking in the comments of a piece where Larry is decrying plummeting birth rates titled “The Global Fertility Crash”

Seriously? Enslave half or slightly more than half of the population and breed them like animals. That’s what Larry is speaking about here. Dear Larry, look out how well that worked out for the Nazis. It didn’t. It’s not even working out well in the fictional Gilead of “The Handmaid’s Tale”

Remind me if I’m wrong, but does not the U.S. Constitution talk of the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness instead of forced births?

Larry loves to point out what he perceives as ‘selfish women’ demanding education, property rights, full voting rights, in other words any woman that wants all the same basic human rights and dignity as a man.  He thinks that’s the problem.

Look, I am not disputing that rates of child birth have fallen. That would be stupid when all the legitimate studies show that they have fallen. But his panic and the panic of other good cultural enforcers is a bit premature. It’s impossible to say what the long term effects will be in a society that is rapidly changing in how we literally do everything.

As the larger sectors of population age this might become more of a problem as someone needs to be available to care for those who cannot care for themselves. Babies and the elderly require much hands on care. It’s already starting to happen in parts of Japan as rates fall.

Here’s where Larry gets it so horribly wrong. The answer is not stripping women of all rights, and returning the world to a master/slave dynamic in marriages. That’s simply short-sided. I believe that the answer is better paying jobs and more opportunity.

Many people seem concerned about the state of the world, feeling pessimistic, rating their chances of having a life that includes a partner and children as low. The main reason is economic. It’s the economic, stupid! To paraphrase a former president.

We’re seeing a time when wages have been severely stagnant for over twenty years, yet rising costs do not reflect that reality. The young, the fertile, those entering the work force now have a much slimmer chance of even being able to financially support themselves, much less a future family. Buying a house? Out of reach for more people that ever.

Even as recently as the 1970s the working poor owned homes in greater numbers than they do now. Now it’s out of reach for many unless they inherit a family home.

Used to be you didn’t need a college degree to have a decent paying job. A high school diploma could score you a good position in the manufacturing sector, enough of a living wage to have a family. Now we’re seeing positions even in retail that require a four year college degree that once required only that high school diploma. Jobs that required a bachelors now insist on  a masters degree in that field.

Until this economic situation is addressed people aren’t going to be buying homes, having families, or even marrying. I don’t know exactly what the solution to this will look like, but I know it is not forced birth and keeping women as house slaves.

This is the reality of many years of Republicans being allowed to gut our country of worker protections. Larry et al is partially responsible for the same crisis he is decrying by the way he has voted through the years. This is what happens when you have an ignorant voting base who likes to blame women for every evil.

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  • Raging Bee

    Enslave half or slightly more than half of the population and breed them like animals.

    Policies like that will make women considerably LESS than half the population. It’s already happening in Texas, where loss of access to reproductive and other health services is resulting in increased maternal mortality.

  • Mel

    The conservative freak out over falling birth rates started as a poorly camouflaged racist dog whistle because whites were being outbred by everyone else. Now, the CP/QF crew have adapted the same sad sausage story but winnowed the right white people down to Calvinist Christians.

    Japan has a separate sets of issues – but the main problem facing Japan is that it is a society that does not accept or allow non-Japanese people to join their society. IOW, most of the problems could be mitigated by allowing more immigration and treating immigrants as full respected members of society rather than disliked outsiders.

    After all, the US would be screwed2 in a few years if we didn’t have a history of immigration from other countries like Mexico or Central America.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    I know next to nothing about this Solomon guy. Do you think he is truly concerned about “The Global Fertility Crash”, or is that code for “The White Fertility Crash”?

  • Mel

    Larry’s argument is absurd on the face of it. Real social scientists have been studying the demographic transition for decades now and the factors for falling birth rates are based far more on economic concerns that the places available to women in society.

    There are basically two factors controlling the average number of kids per family in a society.

    The first one is the perceived number of children a couple needs to have to ensure that one or more children survive to adulthood. Bluntly, the poorer a family and the poorer a society, the higher the infant and child death rate is. That leads to a higher birth per woman rate – and the trauma of losing children young often lasts a generation or two after the kids’ death rate drops.

    The second one is the amount it costs to raise a child to the standards required by the parents’ social class and if the costs of raising a child can be offset by their labor. Until recently, Plain People groups like the Amish and Hutterites averaged between 8-10 children per couple because launching a new family was relatively cheap and the agricultural help of the kids at a young age made the cost of raising each kid low. Since the costs of farm land have increased and costs of farm products have dropped, the birth rate has dropped to closer to 5-6 total children per couple.

    I mean, we can totally bring back double-digit birth rates in the US – but it’ll take pretty much dropping the average living standard of families markedly. Well, actually, we’ve seen that haven’t we; most CP/QF families are dirt-poor and not really getting by.

  • Martin Penwald

    The second one. Definitively the second.

  • Martin Penwald

    Yay! Texas!

  • Martin Penwald

    Real social scientists

    You’ld say “evil socialist satanists” and it would be the same for them.

  • Nightshade

    Neither. His concern is about controlling women, dropping fertility is just his excuse.

  • Gussie FinkNottle

    I can’t leave my pie to look up the source material on this, but in “Against the Grain,” James C. Scott argues that women are already domesticated (just like livestock) thanks to the agricultural revolution. I suspect that we are in the early stages of a reversal of that trend thanks to the industrial revolution. I don’t think it’s an accident that women’s rights, especially rights involving contraception, tend to suddenly burst onto the scene whenever a country industrializes.

  • Ingeborg Nordén

    In Larry’s theo-patriarchy, a crippled and post-menopausal pagan like me would be executed on sight. Can’t cook and clean and sew for her “divinely ordained masters”; can’t breed more troops for the ongoing holy war. Can’t join the Jezebels underground, so I have no place even as a temptress embodying the false church…and a person whose very existence contradicts the Bible should not be allowed to live.

  • Jim Jones

    > Look, I am not disputing that rates of child birth have fallen.

    When your future as you age is protected by a government pension and not by the number of your children who survive you make different choices.

  • Jim Jones

    You need spaces around the angle brackets.

  • Saraquill

    I would not trust Larry to go anywhere near a child, uterus1 owner, or supply genetic material for this proposed atroc1ty.

  • Cynthia

    Horrifying but not shocking. This is Larry being his typical horrible self. Pretty much EVERYTHING he writes is all about forcing women into having sex, reproducing and serving men like him – recognizing that without some degree of coercion, he wouldn’t find a willing partner. He clearly hates his ex, and displays a ton of contempt for wife #2, who is disabled and dependent on him.

  • Brian Curtis

    Global population still rising.
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    Population Clock
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    404 Problem Not Found.

  • Carrie Scott

    I dont think its contempt for wife #2. I think it strikes his ego. Because as he has said before. He is in charge of distributing her meds. And he has said nemourous times. If she doesn’t toe, his line. She is punished.

  • Autumn487

    I don’t even think it’s possible to leave racism out of the population debates. The only people who talk on either side of the issue always appear to be privileged white people. If you look at the people who are most strident about not having kids because earth is overcrowded, you generally find white people. Then there’s Larry. who’s worried (apparently anyway) that the earth is going to run out of white people. Considering the history of how white people treat everyone and everything on the planet I have to wonder if white people disappearing is even a bad thing? (I am white)

  • Mel

    Yes – but they do that for everyone who isn’t in their tribe as is. Plus, they do that for anyone who was in their tribe but fell away or disagreed with them on doctrine.

    Really, the Venn diagram of “evil _____ satanists” compared to “good people” is one giant circle encompassing 99.999999999999999% of the human race and a tiny circle with a subset of people they know.

  • frostysnowman

    Most women who are mothers and wives value those roles even if they work. Jeez.

  • Sorry if I was married with kids I would want my wife to have a career and education, because there is always this possibility that as a MAN I could lose my job if not worse my life and the wife will have to support herself. FUCK2 this guy and the horse he rode in on, its 2020 in one month start acting like it.

  • AFo

    And this comes with the added bonus of sh1tstains2 like Larry having all the power. That’s what really gets him, that women can make their own choices, and they’re choosing things he doesn’t approve of.

  • persephone

    The falling birth rate in Japan is why there’s been such a push for human-like robots.

    While the Japanese are definitely against immigration, the other issue is that they’re severely overcrowded, making food incredibly expensive. Japan has about the same amount of land as California, but it has more than three times the population.

    The Earth has a carry capacity of approximately 2 billion. The idea that somehow we can continue with an increasing population plus global warming is why we’re doomed. I hold no hope for maintaining the current social structure.

  • persephone

    I think that a good part of that is that women’s work is mostly uncompensated monetarily. If a woman actually sees money for the labor she provides, she has an incentive to improve her life and that of her family.

    Agriculture did alter the status of women. Once people chose to settle in one place and plant food, the structure altered, moving from a tribal group to focus more on extended families. The larger the family, the more people to work.

  • persephone

    Can we smack these people with the “women belong in the home and have throughout history” BS? No, women worked, women work, they have always worked, they just often weren’t financially compensated in a job.

  • persephone

    Oh, and, f*** Luther:

    And even if they bear themselves weary—or ultimately bear themselves out—that does not hurt. Let them bear themselves out. This is the purpose for which they exist. It is better to have a brief life with good health than a long life in ill health.

  • B.A.

    This!

  • Number two, definitely.

  • True. I just wish we wouldn’t take so many species with us when we finally go extinct. =/

  • Buh… buh… buh… but the wyte peepo! There aren’t enough wyte peepo around!

  • I’m a bit shocked that this is surprising to anyone.

  • I’d trust him about as far as I could throw him.

    That is to say, I don’t trust him one bit.

  • “that does not hurt” — says the celibate man

  • Jennifer

    If white people vanished as some fear, that would mean disappearance of most English, Irish, Scottish, Norwegian, Icelandic, Swedish, German..a 1hell2 of a lot of people; it’s very unlikely. Of course it wouldn’t be good for any ethnicity to vanish, and every one and every nation has atrocities in its history. But its chances of occurring are very small, and group panic on any issue not only produces useless words, but tends to reveal people’s character. Here’s Lame Larry’s, in case anyone doubted.

  • Jennifer

    I hope when their daughter reaches adulthood, she takes her mother and leaves that lump in the dust.

  • Jennifer

    And weren’t allowed to have advanced jobs.

  • Jennifer

    How’s that possible with the factors Suzanne mentioned?

  • Jennifer

    He…WHAT?

  • Allison the Great

    All of Larry’s posts about women are basically self-owns. He is admitting to the world that he and his ilk are so awful in every way that women would rather be alone than be with him. It was feminism that gave women the means to take care of themselves and tell guys like him to get lost. That reason alone is enough to be a proud feminist.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Well, actually, we’ve seen that haven’t we; most CP/QF families are dirt-poor and not really getting by.

    Except for the few who’ve landed reality show contracts, or those who’ve managed to convince lots of naive, warm-hearted people to send them donations to support their brood, while they trumpet the “debt free” lifestyle. I once saw a site run by a couple who were crowdfunding an international adoption which had a link to the couples other site about how to live without debt. It’s like how many already-rich people got even richer using government grants and subsidies claim to be “self-made men”.

  • Clint McInnes

    Thank you for bringing up the FACT that there are already too many people on the planet. Actually, two billion is rather generous. One and a half billion is sustainable. Five TIMES that number? Not just “no”.

    If not for the invention of artificial fertilizers (which are, thenkyewverramuch, killing our rivers and deltas) the population wouldn’t have hit its current level at all. A population crash is inevitable. What form it takes remains to be seen. Half of us might disappear in balls of nuclear fire. Or half of us (or three quarters) might starve to death. It won’t be pretty, however it falls out.

  • It just worked for me.

  • persephone

    Also, the genetic alterations to many foods and the tendency to stick to just one or two varieties is making this even worse. We’re about to lose the bananas we grew up with because of a disease they can’t fight.

    It’s totally anecdata, but I’ve wondered how much the seeming increase in people with wheat issues are related to the massive genetic changes to most wheat. I know a couple of people who can eat heritage wheat products, but not the modern ones.

  • persephone

    Yup

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I would not doubt it at all about the wheat.

    The bananas it’s an interesting thing. Here in Costa Rica there are actually a variety of bananas. I love, love, love the tiny fingerling bananas but they make my asthma go nuts. There are wild varieties which are much more seed than banana. The bananas in the States are the varieties that have been so domesticated and bred to be that way. I’m wondering if we’re going to have to shift to another variety and breed it to be most disease resistant.