Nancy Campbell – The Womb Holds Your Emotions and a Duggar Update

Nancy Campbell – The Womb Holds Your Emotions and a Duggar Update November 19, 2019
Meme found on Facebook

So this is familiar ground and Nancy Campbell of Above Rubies is recycling her material again. But I could not let this attempt to stuff a uterus with feelings go unchallenged. Too many I know personally are missing their wombs yet are able to exhibit kindness, love, mercy, happiness and every other pleasant emotion. Try again, Nancy.

Nancy is flunking her word definitions today. I looked up chayil and it’s usage is always masculine, and having to with armies and battles. It has nothing to do with womanhood or the kind of strength that Nancy thinks is required to be a Proverbs 31 woman. I found this in the Strong’s Concordance for the KJV. So which is it Nancy? Soft or hard?

Looking up the words in Hebrew for womb and I found exactly where Nancy pulls that claptrap out of her own womb or parts nearby, another very ridiculous Quiverfull website promoting the idea of the womb holding emotions. Just not to the extent that Nancy promotes. This is all so very circle jerk of them to keep reinforcing the same ideas without any real historical links, or links to legitimate translators and translations.

It’s pretty easy to make the Bible say what you want it to say. It’s a game that the manipulative seeking to garner their own benefit from  the faithful will do. Is not manipulation listed as being near witchcraft?

In reality, that place most of us live, the only organ to contain emotions is, you guessed it, the brain.

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Apologies for no posts yesterday. Been a rough few days for my asthma not helped by all the Duggar speculation. Tanked very low blood pressure made it hard to do a thing right. Slept in too late yesterday, left my bed only to go order a real desk for my computer.

As far as the Duggars it could still shake out either way, to be completely untrue, or to be true. I cannot tell, but I think it behooves us to just watch what happens. Does anyone remember the rumors swirling in the post Josh scandal of a CPS visit triggered by one of the law enforcement officers providing private security for the Duggars? They denied and lied about that one. Months later we saw paperwork come out that proved it to have happened.

Much of the tabloid press has scurried forward to debunk the rumor. One of the less classy outfits lifted entire paragraphs from No Longer Quivering and pretended they wrote them. One of the Arkansas news stations confirmed they’d been passed the information days in advance, but figured it was another idle speculation by a Duggar non-fan. Apparently they get oodles of those.

Here’s some more things that never made it into my last Duggar update. People cruising by took photos of the large number of vehicles in the Duggar yard, and noted that the gate was left open all day long. Locals spotted law enforcement gearing up for something this past weekend. One Duggar daughter that has since posted about an out of town trip was spotted leaving the family spread early on Sunday. Now it seems everyone is determined to pretend all is well, even Duggars that rarely touch social media were merrily posting away yesterday.

Duggar rumors are more of a curse than a blessing. So much more extra work, and comment problems that I rarely share them unless I have an intuition that they might be true, or an insider contacts me.

And a special message for one Lori Alexander of The Transformed Wife this morning. Sadly my words are unprintable here in response to this so I’m just going to say “Bless you!” in my most hostile tone of voice:

So now I’m an ‘evil Leftist’ for following a possible story?

 

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  • Friend

    The w0mb worship is awfully hard to take. Huge numbers of women have hysterect0mies every year. By age 60 up to a third of American women are lacking a uterus, which is often removed to prevent people from dying1 of cancer1.

    Hysterect0my is not a personality transplant, Nancy.

  • Mary Hannah bates

    Female v man. Do they write this way on purpose? Female what? A baboon? A mouse? We know what a man is, but what do these fundies really mean when they simply say female?

  • Tawreos

    Wow! There is a lot here. Who in their right mind would translate a word that means strength into virtuous which means having high moral standards or chaste(women only though)?

    Can someone tell me where my womb2 is? I’m a guy, but I am able to display tenderness and compassion so I must have a womb2 jammed inside me somewhere, but I don’t know where it is.

    Apologies for no posts yesterday

    We’ll forgive you this time, but if it happens again, we’ll probably just forgive you then as well. =)
    I hope you are feeling better.

    Hey Lori, the FBI said they were not involved, not that no law enforcement agency was involved. It is good to see you are so concerned with untruths being spread all over the internet without being checked though. I look forward to your posts about the numerous and continuous streams of lies that are coming out of the White House.

  • Jennifer

    1Stupid2, 3stupid4 empty woman who probably didn’t give a thought to the children he 5abused. Don’t talk to women, Lori. Most people don’t heed anything that creatures under a rock have to say.

    Oh Suzanne, sorry about your asthma! Hope you’re feeling better soon.

  • WallofSleep

    Heh, the meme at the top reminded me of this oldie but goodie…

    https://www.theonion.com/u-s-out-of-my-uterus-vs-we-must-deploy-troops-to-jess-1819594277

  • Raging Bee

    I’m totally against the whole Christian mind-body-dichotomy thing: yes, thoughts and emotions do originate in the brain, but the brain is affected, second by second, by nearly all of our other organs, and affects them back at the same time, for better and for worse.

    But this loony womb-fetishist is doing it totally wrong. It’s perfectly obvious that her main objective is to treat women — and get women to treat themselves — as if they don’t HAVE brains at all.

    EDIT: And women are supposed to let their wombs be their personalities — but God forbid a woman should let her vagina be a part of her personality!

  • Positivist

    Good lard. These people (Nancy) are crazy. Flashback to Plato’s ‘wandering womb2’….

  • Michael Neville

    Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies

    Just for curiosity’s sake, what is Ruby’s price?

  • AFo

    Nancy’s obsession with uteri is beyond bizarre. No one I’ve ever met has ever said anything to the effect of “You must have a good womb2 since you’re such a good person.” Not to mention that speculating on the state of someone else’s reproductive organs is about 10 different kinds of inappropriate.

    Lori continues to be Lori. Anyone who even slightly disagrees with her was clearly spat out of the bowels2 of hell2 itself to personally torment “good Christians” like her.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    I’m not at all certain that there is a “whole Christian mind-body-dichotomy thing”. That sort of thing smacks of Gnosticism. We were created to be whole, integrated beings. Mind, body spirit, &c. all contribute, and each influences the others.

  • Cynthia

    Slight correction – the Hebrew words used in Proverbs 31 are “ayshet chayil”. “Woman of valor” is a common translation. It’s actually very commonly used by traditional Jews, and Proverbs 31 is sung, in Hebrew, by many observant Jewish families on Friday nights to the woman of the household.

    In Hebrew, the roots of womb2 and mercy/compassion are related, and one term for God is “the Compassionate One”. Some religious feminists have noted the connection. They don’t mean that emotions literally live in the uterus, they just note that woman-oriented imagery is used for a divine attribute.

    It’s no different that using the heart as an image for romantic love, just a bit less familiar for English-speakers. Just as the hormones from falling in love can make the heart beat faster, other hormones like oxytocin can actually make a womb2 contract in some cases. So yes, emotions are in the brain, but can sometimes cause sensations elsewhere in the body, and can be used in some languages for imagery.

  • Milo C

    I bought some nice ones in an Afghanistan bazaar for less than $20, unpolished. I guess it depends on where you shop.

  • Odd Jørgensen

    The “Left” is so mean, forcing Josh to diddle69 his kid sisters and bonking pørn stars and having a cheating site account. Bad left!!!

  • thatotherjean

    Brains? Who needs brains? Women are supposed to let men do their thinking for them! And vaginas? Women may have them, but it’s only men who are supposed to enjoy them, and then only the man to whom a woman is properly married! /s

  • Odd Jørgensen

    Rubies are surprisingly worthless until they are cut and polished, even the good quality ones. I had a couple nice ones a stone collecting neighbor gave me when I was a wee lad way back in olden times, and I was so disappointed when a jewelry store clerk told me their value.

  • Ingeborg Nordén

    If positive emotions come from an organ2 that half of the human race lacks…the only logical conclusion is that people WITHOUT that organ2 (male, female, or non-binary) are harsh, malevolent creatures who can’t feel anything but hatred, rage, or worse. Way to debunk complementarian theology, Nancy Stepford-Handmaid-of-the-Lord!

  • Saraquill

    Once more, Nancy insults her womb-less messiah.

  • Saraquill

    There are many complicated factors in judging a ruby’s value, like whether or not its host rock is marble.

  • Priscilla Frye

    I appreciate your words about Proverbs 31! In that chapter of Proverbs, I don’t much to support the Quiverful version of women and I see a lot about social justice..

    People should read it for themselves before judging it (see link below). It demands defending the rights of the poor and oppressed. This ideal woman buys real estate she has chosen and runs multiple businesses. Her husband has full confidence in her, her wisdom and savvy elevate HIS status and “her works are praised at the city gates”.

    Doesn’t sound like a meek, silent baby machine!
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+31&version=NIV

  • paganheart

    If anything, my personality probably improved after my hysterectomy…no longer did I have to dread being bedridden for 2 or 3 days a month due to 2hellish pain and extremely heavy periods. Best decision I ever made… good riddance, uterus!

  • SAO

    It’s really tough to translate even if you know a foreign language well. Often, something might make sense in one language, “let a thousand flowers bloom” which might not make sense in a language that uses less allegory. It’s very easy to take a phrase like, ‘that went over like a lead balloon,’ and talk about how leaders rise up like balloons, totally misreading lead-the-metal for lead-what-leaders-do. Then there’s nuance on one language that might be missing in another, which is a particular problem if they are cognates. Russian borrowed ‘adequate’ from English, but uses it to mean competent. Adequate in English is damning with faint praise. Adekvatny in Russian is just plain old praise.

    Do I think Nancy has a clue as to what she’s talking about? no.

  • Mimc

    Now that we can grow them in the lab they aren’t very expensive. Same with sapphire as they are basically the same thing but with different trace minerals to give them the colors.

  • Mimc

    Well they do believe there is a part that survives death and there are several passages about spirit vs flesh.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    True, but §990 of the Catechism says, “The ‘resurrection of the flesh’ (the literal formulation of the Apostles’ Creed) means not only that the immortal soul will live on after death, but that even our ‘mortal body’ will come to life again.”

    So we will once again be the integrated beings we were meant to be.

  • …the womb2 doesn’t work that way. Holy cats.

  • Mimc

    These are Fundies they don’t care about Catechism. Most of them are probably into sola scriptura. At least until they can’t find a suitable clobber verse for why the thing they personally don’t like is immoral.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    Again, no argument from me. While sola scriptura has some serious shortcomings, I ‘spect most fundies are on-board with the resurrection-of-the-body thing.

    At any rate, my point was that, even though the soul survives death, we will not remain disembodied spirits for eternity.

  • Raging Bee

    There’s certainly a Christian soul-body-dichotomy thing. Not sure which side of that dichotomy the brain is on…

  • Raging Bee

    At what physical age will my mortal body come back to life? And will it include fully-functioning naughty bits and sensitive areas? Perver — oops, I mean enquiring minds want to know.

    If not, then we WON’T be “integrated beings.” Do these believers even have any clue what being an “integrated being” means?

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Yeah, I want to know too. My body has been a lemon from day one and I’m not sure how I feel about riding around eternity in defective product.

  • Ingeborg Nordén

    I much prefer a G-rated source of oxytocin stimulation (perhaps you’ve heard of hugging?). Comfort and compassion expressed through non-reproductive org‌ans…of course no Christian would ever say “the Lord is my snuggle” with a straight face, but hugging isn’t limited to one gender, orientation, or type of relationship.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    “Integrated being” is my term. Dunno the mechanics of resurrection. Guess we’ll just have to wait and be surprised.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    Well, without a source for your assertion, I can’t formulate a response. Sorry.

  • Raging Bee

    So make something up! Geez, I gotta do everything around here…?

  • Ingeborg Nordén

    To be fair, Jesus did tell the Pharisees that marriage wouldn’t exist after the final resurrection; glorified bodies will be sexless like those of the angels. Paul also warned some lecherous church members that God would eliminate s‌exuality (and the relevant body parts) in the future world. With everybody immortal, there’ll be no need to reproduce; with God’s love outranking lesser relationships, nothing will distract saints from that love. Sinners, completely unable to enjoy any pleasure in the Lake of Fire, will also have neutered bodies that are super-sensitive to pain after they return to life. (I’m no Christian any more, but I studied a LOT of scripture and theology before I left.)

  • Desperate Ambrose

    OK, now you’ve piqued my curiosity. Can you cite chapter and verse about glorified bodies being sexless? I don’t recall anything to that effect, but that may just be my defective memory.

    BTW, we are all sinners. It is those who persist in sin who condemn themselves. “God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end.” ~ Catechism, §1037

  • Desperate Ambrose

    “Christ is raised with his own body: ‘See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself’; but he did not return to an earthly life. So, in him, ‘all of them will rise again with their own bodies which they now bear,’ but Christ ‘will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body,’ into a ‘spiritual body’.” ~ Catechism §999 (emphasis mine)

  • Ingeborg Nordén

    Chapter/verse references for no marriage in heaven/bodies like the unmarried angels: Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25, and Luke 20:34–36

    Chapter/verse references for God eventually abolishing se‌xuality: 1 Corinthians 6:12-20

    P.S. By “sinners”, I specifically meant the unsaved; please excuse my imprecise language.

  • Delta

    Source: Bill Gothard (whom the Duggars followed), and every single group that got their ideas from that awful man’s ministry.

    Gothard’s ministry issued a document teaching people who had been abused1 that they should not complain, because the harm was only to the body, and not the mind or spirit. If you were traumatized by what happened, then it was your fault for damaging yourself mentally/spiritually with your “bitterness.”

    It’s been a while sonce I’ve read up on his vile nonsense, so my phrasing may be slightly off, but that’s the general idea.

    It breaks my metaphorical heart that the Duggar girls were most likely taught that after what their brother did.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    Yeah, I’ve heard of Gothard. Sounds like a swine.

  • Iain Lovejoy

    The Gospel passages say their will be no marriage after the resurrection, but in the context of a woman widowed five times, so you can take it any which way.
    I’ve never seen 1 Corinthians 6 cited as being about God abolishing sexuality: on the face of it is a polemic against Christians becoming Christian and expecting to continue to engage in specifically sexual immorality, as well as idolatry, theft, drunkenness and various other harmful behaviours. Where does the “abolishing sexuality” come from?

  • Cynthia

    She’s also not weak or overly focused on appearance. Instead, she “girds her loins2 with strength” and we read that “beauty is false”. The reference to her maidens also means that she had household help.

  • Anonyme

    My uterus (I use big girl words, Nancy) is not the source of my compassion. Especially a solid week out of every month when it “makes” me want to perform a hysterectomy on myself.

  • Priscilla Frye

    Yep! I am a fairly conservative Christian myself; I’ve had a pretty substantial career, but also adored being a mom, thought it was the greatest thing ever.

    However, I do NOT have those crazy ideas about femininity and womanhood. I have no idea how anyone can read Proverbs 31 then believe a meek, silent, second class citizen to her husband female is the Biblical ideal.

  • Raging Bee

    But not above diamonds?