Life – It’s Not a Matter of Science? Really?

One of the favorite insults that liberals have for conservatives is that they are anti-science.  Well, what will they do with Melissa Harris-Perry? The MSNBC talking head believes that life begins when the parents have a “feeling” that it begins. Here’s what she said to a nationwide audience on July 21st:

“When does life begin? I submit the answer depends an awful lot on the feeling of the parents. A powerful feeling — but not science.”

RealNews24 has more on the implications of Harris-Perry’s beliefs:

And in one stroke, she simultaneously condones the murder of newborn infants (i.e. “post-birth abortion”) while attacking the science of biology which unambiguously states that a living, breathing infant with a heartbeat and brain function is alive, not dead.

But don’t tell that to the radical abortion whackos. Far beyond arguing for the “right” to abort a baby in the first or second trimester, many abortion advocates who run in the same circles as Melissa Harris-Perry are now publicly arguing that it is okay for parents to kill their children up to age three. This is now being promoted as a “post-birth abortion.”

It was also called a “fourth trimester abortion” by a clever pollster who recently took to the streets of George Mason University to find out if summertime college students would sign a petition legalizing fourth-trimester abortions. Nearly all who were asked to sign the petition did so! One of the college students even asked whether the procedure would “cause harm to the child.”

“Well the child wouldn’t be there anymore,” responded the pollster, after which the college student then proceeded to sign the petition.

Ronald Reagan once said, “I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

Well, watch the “already born” crowd signing a petition to support murder.

My favorite part of the video is when the Christian guy asks the pollster to go to his Bible study.  The pollster asks, “Do you think they’d sign my petition?”

“Probably not.”

That’s the only bright spot is a very sad clip.  So sickening!

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  • Soolong

    Pro-choicers like Melissa advocate killing children up to 3 years old? Oh really? That’s a huge false statement. Shame on you blog writer. Shame on you. I hope what you get paid to write this lie of a blog is worth it to you.

    • HuntingMoose

      No it is you who is utter ignorant and should be shamed by not knowing the facts and writing lies, knowingly or not.

      Ever heard of that medical advisor to the liar in chief?, ever heard about his arguments for killing post-natal

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel_Emanuel

      And ever heard of what the german socialists of the ’30 wanted and did? Probably not . You sound like a brain-dead moron who has been using too many drugs and are no longer alive by the definition of those you try to defend. Wakeup before you get your turn in their unhealthy care system with obama’s final solution pain pill

      • Soolong

        Hunting moose, you said nothing there to support your argument that what the blog writer said was true.

    • LeticiaVelasquez

      If she does not draw the line how can we conclude that she does not?

      • Soolong

        Really Leticia? Pretty safe to say that when Melissa referred to a woman getting a real feeling of a life growing inside of her she wasn’t referring to a three year old eating cereal at the breakfast table. And I’m
        Pretty sure our laws protect that three year old.

  • David

    The people who advocate killing babies and children and old people … well … they are Heartless … they don’t have a Soul … they are not Human… they are “Clones”.

    • Guest

      Just Americans all you have to do is add the word Indian or slave to the above and you see it.

  • Soolong

    As for it not being a matter of science, well that’s true. What you are talking about here blog writer, is not a question that can be answered by science alone. It also involves ethics and religious beliefs. I don’t know that we will ever come to consensus on this.

    And as for prolifers being anti-science…. Well, given that they tend to be Creationists and Global Warming deniers, you should be able to see where that comes from.

    • LeticiaVelasquez

      Right from Rules for Radicals, demean your opponent because you know biology favors the Prolifers.

      • Soolong

        No, biology does not ” favor” Prolifers. And I was not demeaning, but rather explaining to the blog writer why it is that such people are viewed as anti-science.

        Your comment about Rules for Radicals is odd because it actually points to Prolifers, particularly this blog writer as a radical. I’m
        Sure that was not your intent. Perhaps it was lost on you

        • LeticiaVelasquez

          Of course biology favors life. In thr really days of abortion viability was an issue, but since that is being pushed way back to 22 weeks, then the pro death side picked ability to feel pain. Wendy Davis lost that battle to science so enter Melissa Harris Perry to abandon science and claim its all about feelings. She all but admitted defeat on a rational basis.

          • Soolong

            No she didn’t Letitcia. And what she said is true and always has been. This is not a matter of science alone. It is a matter of ethics, and personal beliefs as well. It’s a matter of how a woman feels about pregnancy and abortion. For Prolifers like you, God creates life at conception and you are no way going to mess with that. Others don’t have a real feeling of a life inside for the first several weeks and can have an early abortion then but not later. That is what she is referring to. Taking her comment and then twisting as this evangelical blog writer did ( well, actually as some extreme online sites did and she copied from) is straight out of Rules for Radicals.

          • Joshua Wilhour

            Murderers don’t have ethics, troll

          • Soolong

            We aren’t talking about murder Joshua. We are talking about abortion. I understand that to you the two are equivalent, but to about 3/4 of the country they are not.

    • otlset

      Global warming, as currently defined by its proponents to be driven by increasing atmospheric concentrations of the trace gas CO2, is not happening. To believe it is is be a *denier* of what global temperatures have been doing the past 15 years — cooling, not warming (as atmospheric concentrations of CO2 have increased). *Denying* the evidence right before your eyes is *anti-science*, liberals.

      • Soolong

        Otlset, sorry, but legions of scientists ( including this one) and scientific studies disagree with you.

        • otlset

          You got nothing, no evidence whatsoever, just an incomplete theory that because of the complexity of the earth’s climate systems, just isn’t working out as theorized. All you have is blind adherence to liberal doctrine and talking points — no evidence whatsoever that CO2 has any effect at all on global climate systems. You are ignorant about this apparently, being led by ideologues who flippantly always say things to those who know this is wrong like “‘legions of scientists’ back the theory — so you all are wrong.” Can you name any of these “legions” of ‘scientists’, other than the infamous ones like Michael Mann and his cohorts who’ve already been outed as trying desperately to “hide the decline” from the public they’re trying to fool? Name them and then provide their explanations for why the earth actually ISN’T warming, despite all their predictions otherwise.

          • Soolong

            Otlset, you are so misinformed. And it’s science, not ideology and indoctrination. Yes, this is exactly why people refer to you as anti-science. Tell me, are you also a Young Earth Creationist?

          • otlset

            Explain then, the science behind why the globe is cooling now and has been for the past 15 years or so, while CO2 levels have continued their modest rise during that time. Why if the CO2 levels are rising is it not actually getting warmer, as all the alarmists have predicted?

          • Soolong

            Sorry otlset, but I make a point of not wasting my time explaining the science to you deniers.

          • otlset

            Heh.

          • Joshua Wilhour

            Bull sh-t, it’s because you have nothing, troll.

          • Soolong

            Right Joshua. Do you realize how misinformed you sound? No, probably not.

    • Guest

      God created the universe, there is no such thing as evolution (science has proven that), there is no global warming (science has proven that also), and abortion is murder (duh!)

      Bonus fact: Democrats are dumb.
      Tissue?

      • Spencer Hart

        Science has proven that there is no such thing as evolution? what the fuck fantasy world you living in… oh never mind you think a god created the universe.

        • Soolong

          Spencer I think guest was just making fun

  • HuntingMoose

    Sounds a bit like Schrödinger’s cat paradox. It is the observer who decides if someone or something is alive.
    .
    The only person who can say you are alive is yourself, it is that simple. So to play on the safe side, you should always assume the person is alive until absolutely sure. Legally death need to be assessed by a knowledgable person who checks for e.g. someone’s pulse. And yes, last time I checked, unborn do have a pulse.

  • $3838536

    Liberals support abortion, euthanasia, & genocide. They are rabid dogs.

    • Soolong

      Stoneyjack it is true that most liberals are pro choice and many support a person’s right to euthanasia. But genocide? Really? Please elaborate on this claim. Oh and rabid dogs. I’d like to hear how Liberals are rabid dogs. That should be good one too.

      • LeticiaVelasquez

        Genocide is the deliberate murder of people by race, ethnicity or chromosomal makeup. Approximately 90 percent of unborn babies with three copies of the 21st chromosome are aborted. This is genocide..

        • Soolong

          Abortion is not genocide Leticia. I can appreciate that you may view it as genocide but it is not.

          • LeticiaVelasquez

            Explain how selecting by race, gender, disability or convenience is not genocide.

          • Guest

            Killing of the Amarican Indians was actually for comparison.

          • Soolong

            Read the definition of genocide Leticia.

          • Aixa Martinez-Harrison

            sorry I did not mean to to thumbs up, you r right

          • Aixa Martinez-Harrison

            Yes it is no different from the millions of jews killed by hitler, innocent little babies killed by their own mothers if that is not a genocide then I dont know what it is.

        • Nate Weber

          Well, its not Exactly Genocide, but there is no definition for murdering an entire Generation of people. So Genocide is about the closest thing you can get with Generational murder.

      • Aixa Martinez-Harrison

        rabid dogs is an understatement they are murderers, how is that?

      • https://youtu.be/h82D5ZvcALM CrustyB

        We’re not actually paying attention to the thread troll, are we?

        • Soolong

          Of course not Crusty. Heaven forbid you encourage people to point out when ridiculous statements are made . Heaven forbid someone challenges ridiculous claims.

          • otlset

            Like increasing atmospheric concentrations of CO2 causes global warming?

          • Soolong

            Otlset, science is not ridiculous.

  • Curtis Wilson

    I’m sad that some people feel this way about unborn but still alive babies.

  • LeticiaVelasquez

    They are hopelessly narcissistic, to the left children ar nothing more than commodities, accessories, as disposable as last year’s purse.

    • Soolong

      That is simply not true.

      • shortywest73@yahoo.com

        just think if your mom had gotten an abortion when she was pregnant with you people should try birth control or abstance instead of murder

        • Soolong

          Sure and just think if my folks had never had sex that night or that particular sperm hadn’t hit the target, or implantation had failed, or my mom miscarried….. I wouldn’t be here and I wouldn’t have known or cared. What’s your point?

          • Patti Allen

            Those things would have been natural occurrences, abortion is an unnatural occurrence.

          • Soolong

            Unnatural? How would that make any difference to a nonexistent me Patti?

            Thing is, it was a dumb question from shorty ( snd a common prolife one) for two reasons: first, I wouldn’t be here to care. And second she then goes on to say people should use birth control or abstain if they don’t want to have children. Well similarly, I wouldn’t be here to “just think”about that.

    • Lisa314

      Not true!! I care more about children then I do adults! I talk to every special needs child I see. I let them know that they are beautiful and loved. Every single time, the parents thank me with tears in their eyes. I have a special needs family member so I know how important it is for the parents and the children. A lot of people out there are so mean. I want those kids to feel loved and to get a smile from a stranger. The other thing I do is give them $20.00 to buy something special. God has been very good to me, so I pay forward every chance I get.

  • Tiffani Leigh Ortiz Hoofard

    Disturbing. These people are sick.

  • Nate Weber

    Thank you for sharing your views. Its great to see someone around my age so passionate about abortion. I dont know if you have ever seen the movie 180, but it is amazing. I am not even sure you read your blog comments. I hope you do. I know i cannot effect as many people as you can, but please watch this and i would love to know your views on it. Or blog about it bc you can reach so many. God bless. Thank you for all you do.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI

  • Linda Knueven

    Love your post Bristol, your an admirations to ALL young women (including my daughter-in-law at your young age, ( now we have a 31 yr old beautiful, smart and has a beautiful family, our first grandchild) keep up your good work and be-just like your mom (a grissley mom) let comments roll off your shoulders, because you are on the right path!

    • Soolong

      ALL young women Linda? I don’t know about that. I think most young women aspire to getting an education, career, spouse and starting a family once they are ready to. Truth of the matter is, her mother’s money and celebrity have saved Bristol from the poverty that teen moms usually face. That’s not really something to aspire to. Just saying.

  • Kristy Patullo

    It’s not just about being pro-choice anymore. These liberals are out for
    blood. It’s like it’s a maniacal need to abort a child, no matter the trimester.
    It’s evil, plain and simple.

    • Soolong

      Kristy, that’s just nonsense

      • rockanne
        • Soolong

          What’s your point with that rockanne??

      • Julio C. Pecina

        No it’s not, it’s true. PP, or pro choice idiots actually believe in aborting a child, up the age of 5 nowadays. You are not a person to them, you’re a virus, a thing that must be killed. You re not human to them, and you must be taken out at all cost. The people for abortion are not your friend.

        • Soolong

          Julie that is nonsense.

        • glennisw

          You are an idiot.

  • Shi

    What is tragic is how mindlessly this young generation is willing to follow unquestionably….Now we know why the sheeple fell for Hoax and Chains.

  • Lisa314

    This is absolutely disgusting!!! I’m pro-choice – but I would NEVER condone murder. I don’t believe in late-term abortions and there is absolutely NO WAY for me to go along with this fourth-term abortion bullshit! This makes me so mad I could scream. Idiots……

    • Soolong

      Lisa, it is disgusting what the Prolifers are doing here. But to them , anything after conception is the same as a born child. I get that. What’s disgusting is their misrepresentation of pro choicers

      • rockanne

        Where is the misrepresentation in an actual quote? Where is the misrepresentation in the actual things pro-aborts say themselves?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpssl_ZfPCM

        • Soolong

          Rockann, to take Melissa’s comment and then suggest that she thinks its okay to kill born children is misrepresentation. Furthermore, to take the little stunt that guy in the video pulled on a college campus and then suggest pro choicers want to kill born children is misrepresentation.

          • gmandude

            Soolong, you have chosen the side of this issue that promotes death. And then you are disgruntled when someone forces you to see the death you advocate. How utterly pathetic a position to have to defend. Good luck with that.

          • Soolong

            Gmandude, like the majority of Americans, I simply do not equate abortion, particularly an early abortion (or for that matter inhibiting implantation) with murder. I get that you do, and I understand why. We will likely never agree. But to say pro choicers are okay with killing born children is grossly dishonest.

          • gmandude

            Soolong, you’ve completely missed my point. By associating yourself with the prochoice movement, you are associating yourself with those that believe it is OK to kill born children because they are a part of that movement. There are two sides to this issue. You have chosen to support the side that wants to allow the killing of children up to three years old. You may not like that part of the side you’ve chosen but your support of that side gives those people a voice. And instead of condemning it, you argue whether we should associate you with them. You are associated with them because of your own choice.

            Take a look at our two positions.

            If someone on the prolife side were to take their belief to the next level, that would mean erring more and more on the side of life. All life. Even the lives of those with opposing views.
            Someone on the prochoice side taking their belief to the next level would mean killing babies up to three years old and demonizing anyone who disagrees with their view.

            Prolife means having compassion for and providing a voice for those who are not capable of standing up for themselves.
            Prochoice means killing the innocent simply for the sake of convenience for those who don’t want to deal with the choices they made.

            Every woman should have the right to choose whether or not she gets pregnant. Once that decision is made, she should have to live with it instead of killing the result of it.

            You are associated with those you’ve chosen to side with. Like it or not.

          • Soolong

            Wrong gmandude. Prochoicers do not believe it is okay to kill a born child.

          • gmandude
          • Soolong

            First of all, I have a rule against anything coming from Lifesite”news”. Seriously? You offer them? And the other articles are philosophical pieces, not articles on what the pro choice community actually supports. Similarly, the ridiculous campus ” research” portrayed in the film this blog writer referenced does not show that pro choicers think its okay to kill born children and not does Melissa Perry. This does your cause a disservice.

          • gmandude

            Are you saying that a video showing a Planned Parenthood representative advocating after-birth abortions would play differently if it were linked to from a different website? Wow! And I’ll be you get your faux news from places like The Huffington Post and MSNBC (a.k.a. Provda).
            Like it or not, the side you’ve chosen supports after-birth abortions. You can try all you want to wipe the filth off of yourself but your association remains. Must feel really icky.

          • Soolong

            No the side I have chosen does not support killing born children. That is simply a ploy Prolifers try ( exemplified brilliantly by the video posted by this blog writer) to demonize pro choice. It just makes you look bad. And so does Lifesitenews by the way.

          • gmandude

            Well you’ve proven it. You are definitely a liberal. Only liberals believe they can stand there with stains on their face saying, “I don’t have stains on my face” and expect everyone to believe it because they say it. You are standing in a puddle of filth and you’ve lied about it for so long you can’t even see the stains yourself anymore. Such a sad state of being. I pity you.

          • gmandude
          • falling321

            A great many pro abortion people do indeed support killing born children. They usually talk about ‘aborting’ up to age one, and in a ‘humane’ manner, but they definitely support it! Just because you don’t, doesn’t mean the majority of those who support legal abortion up to birth do not also support it beyond birth!

          • Guest

            That is just not true and makes you look the fool. We all have respect for life and also for choice. The child is not above in those first few weeks thus abortion is allowed then and only then.

          • falling321

            Everything she linked to is a philosophical piece, but that is how it starts. Put an idea into the arena and see how far you can go before people start to scream NOOOO! Then back off one or two steps and start advocating for that…say people really scream when someone advocates for ‘abortion’ up to age five and say they are horrified that someone would think of killing a five year old, after all they are old enough to go to school, print their name, learn their alphabets…OK, you know that is the ‘beyond tolerance’ point for the majority. So back off a few steps and start advocating for abortion up to age 3 and keep putting it out there in different forms, psychiatrists say they aren’t really people yet, doctors say there are painless ways to abort them, say they have no consciousness of life yet, etc. and eventually there will be abortion up to age three. Then ‘settle’ for something a little under what the mainstream finds acceptable. That is how progressives work and right now they are starting to put post birth abortion into the main stream, with the hopes of settling for the legal ability to ‘abort’ their child up to one year!

          • gmandude
          • gmandude

            Soolong – Maybe you need to find out a little more about what it is you stand for. See all below.
            Pro-Choicers are the ones advocating after-birth abortions. I don’t know what’s worse. Not really knowing what you stand for or continuing to stand for it once you actually know what it is.

            After-Birth Abortion Option: Pro-Choice or pro- infanticide?
            http://blackinkquill.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/after-birth-abortion-option-pro-choice-or-pro-infanticide/

    • falling321

      Lisa, if you are pro abortion, you are pro murder, period. Calling it abortion does not change the FACT that what you are doing is killing your developing child. Yes, it is a child, what else is it if not a growing baby? Why do you think planned parenthood is fighting so hard against any law that requires a woman to see the child she is getting ready to kill via a sonogram? Far too many women are able to turn a blind eye to the fact that they are carrying a human child within them right up to the moment they see it, then the fact that it IS a human child become undeniable and the fact that they are paying someone to kill it becomes reality. At that point they often change their mind about killing it and that costs planned parenthood a LOT of income, so it must be stopped!

  • glennisw

    You’re arguing against a myth, a strawman argument. And you’re still losing!

  • jimmyjam992

    What? Clearly they will show the unintelligent and the guy doesn’t even give straight answers. Yet another biased Conservative video. Science is needed. Pro Choice is the only choice. That is up to the 20th week and if later only if the mothers life is in danger. I’m sorry this is the 21st century. We aren’t living under the rule of King George III. I’m sure you think gay marriage shouldn’t be legal even though marriage is a legal contract between two adults. Oh yeah their marriage somehow affects your marriage that’s right.

    • falling321

      I am very much pro life and I believe in gay marriage….just as long as it remains a contract and not a means to force churches to change long held doctrine or shut their doors rather than marry a gay couple. Your rights stop before your fist hits someone else in the nose! In other words, you can do what you want as long as you do not injure or take away someone else’s rights in the process. Killing your unborn child takes away that child’s right to life. If you do not want a child, take the proper precautions not to get pregnant BEFORE you engage in sexual activity! Yes, occasionally a female gets pregnant via rape or incest, but those are the vast minority of abortion cases. Most are women and men who cannot be bothered with making appropriate preparations to avoid pregnancy and just skip from bed to bed.
      Gay marriage is perfectly fine just as long as gays do not use the issue to force churches to go against their doctrine and open their doors to marrying gay couples.

  • Tomme Foster

    Here is my take on abortion. Most of the reasoning for abortion from women who have had an abortion is they just didn’t want a baby at that point. Someone here tried to justify abortion by asking the difference between naturally-terminated pregnancies and abortion, citing that, either way, the result is the same. Well, it’s not the same. With pregnancies that end naturally by something other than birth, that baby is WANTED.

    You want to know something else? Those millions of babies who have been aborted were WANTED, too! I know people who longed for years to become parents and couldn’t for whatever reason. Just think of the millions of others who want babies, but can’t get pregnant.
    Don’t you dare try to bring up the cases of rape or incest. Those instances only account for about 1% of all abortions. The rest are simply about convenience for the women.

    • Soolong

      Here’s my take on abortion Tomme: Your opinion doesn’t matter much because you’re not a woman. And FYI, given the number of women that are poor, single and uneducated that have abortions and the dismal safety net in this country, it is more than a matter of inconvince for them. As for adoption, yes that’s a good option. But have you considered that for many women, carrying a child to term, giving birth and then giving the baby up may be incredibly more difficult than having an eay abortion or using Plan B? I have fortunately never been in a position to choose, but I am glad that the choice would be mine….. Not yours.

      • Tomme Foster

        Here’s my take on your reply. Dismissing someone’s opinion the way you just did is the second-most ignorant thing I’ve seen today. “Your opinion doesn’t matter because ………..” So, if my girlfriend/wife/whoever got pregnant, my opinion wouldn’t matter?!? If she had an abortion and I found out later, hell hath no fury like a man whose baby was murdered.

        You can choose whatever you like. Thank God I wouldn’t be part of your decision.

        • Soolong

          Tomme your opinion doesn’t matter because you are not my partner. And it doesn’t matter to any other woman who isn’t. As for one who is your partner, if you feel that strongly against abortion then you had better inform her of it before having sex, for both of your sakes. In the end it is her decision, not yours.

          • Tomme Foster

            Now, you change your story. First, my opinion didn’t matter because I’m a man. Now, it doesn’t matter because I’m not your partner. Well, what is it? You’re telling me you discuss all options before sex? To a man who cares and is involved, a baby is just as much part of the man as it is the woman. I’m not a seahorse, so the baby has to grow somewhere. If an abortion is strictly the woman’s choice, why would your partner’s opinion matter? You’re not being consistent. Pick an argument and stay with it.

            Let me help you:
            Regarding abortion,
            1) the sperm donor has a say.

            2) the sperm donor never has a say.
            3) the sperm donor has a say, as long as what he says is what the egg donor wants.

          • Soolong

            No Tomme, my “story” hasn’t changed. you are a man so your opinion doesn’t matter. It MIGHT matter to the woman you are having sex with but in the end the decision is hers. And inasmuch you would be well-advised to voice your strong objection to abortion before having sex. Clear enough for you? As for your multiple choice question you need a fourth option: the sperm donor has a say but the woman gets to decide.

          • Tomme Foster

            Do you get your jollies by going to the blogs of people with whom you disagree just so you can argue with people? It certainly appears so. You’ve replied to too many people on here.

          • Soolong

            This is a topic that interests me Tomme. You? Do you get your jollies protesting a woman’s right to choose?

          • Tomme Foster

            You’ve argued with almost anyone who believes in a baby’s right to life. I agree that women have a right to choose. I do not, however, agree that anyone has a right to kill an unborn child. Selfish cowardice pretty much sums that up. Late-term birth control is what you’re for. If people had the discussions you suggest before sex, we wouldn’t be having this discussion now. Don’t cover a bad decision with another far worse decision. YOU had the the choice to spread your legs. YOU deal with it. Because YOU were irresponsible and didn’t protect yourself and your “partner” didn’t have the balls to protect himself, you want to kill a baby? Can women just walk in off the streets and have an abortion with no questions asked? Is there no real counseling beforehand? Besides, what you’re arguing isn’t even what Bristol is talking about here. I don’t agree with abortion at any stage, but if it’s going to be legal, the cut-off needs to be much sooner. 20 weeks?!?

            Just to be clear, my capitalized “YOUs” above are general. Regardless, I believe I’ve said “all I have to say about that.”

          • Soolong

            What ” Bristol” ( she didn’t write this post) is talking about here is something that doesn’t exist and pro choicers are not advocating for. Lets get that straight first. Okay.

            And no, if people had the discussion about their position on abortion beforehand, they would not not be having sex. They would have sex. 75% of the population believe abortion should be allowed all or some of the time. The only people who would not have sex because of their position ( or their partners position) would be those that one or either partner was strongly opposed to abortion and weren’t ready to have a baby and had the self control to abstain.

          • Tomme Foster

            You’ve asked 100% of the population their opinion of abortion? I think not. Therefore, your 75% number is flawed at best.
            This is Bristol’s blog and it says “By Bristol Palin” at the top, so that led me to believe she wrote it.
            To sum up what you just said in your last paragraph, most people who have sex do so because they have no self-control. Only people who can think for themselves and make their own decisions regarding sex have self-control.
            You’re all for a woman’s right to choose, but only if she’s a liberal woman who thinks there’s nothing wrong with abortion. If the woman is a conservative who feels that abortion ends the life of another human being, she’s wrong and has obviously been brainwashed by evil conservative men who want to perpetuate a caveman society where the man is the boss and the woman quietly gets bonked in the head with a club, tossed over a shoulder, and carried back to the cave to make more cave babies.
            Now, I can honestly say I’m done.

          • Soolong

            Let me address each of your points Tomme……

            First off, I don’t have to ask 100% of the population. There are these things called polls and they do ( or rather they take a large random sampling anyway). Ever hear of Gallup? Well for years that 75% is what they have been reporting. So much for flawed.

            The blog says ” by bristol” but that’s not who writes it. It’s an evangelical writer who writes these as Bristol. Not surprising that you didn’t know this. It’s purposely not obvious.

            And no I did not say that everyone who has sex has no self control. I said those who do not want a baby and strongly oppose abortion will be the ones who do not have sex unless they lack self control ( or unless they have absolute faith in their birth control…. But often those who strongly oppose abortion also strongly oppose birth control ).

            And no, I believe every woman has a right to choose. If she believes abortion is wrong then she should be able to choose not to have one. And I do not say she is wrong for making that choice FOR HERSELF. Perhaps you really don’t understand what it means to be pro choice Tomme.

          • falling321

            Interesting! Who is actually writing the blog the and how did you find out it wasn’t actually Bristol, because I was also under the impression that Bristol was writing it.
            And according to all the latest polls the majority of the country are now against abortion except for cases of incest and life of the mother issues…which is why so many states are now finally seeing limitations set on abortion. If you aren’t ready to have a baby, there are very reliable, cheap, easy to obtain methods of birth control available and you should be on it at all times! In fact, we now have some very reliable, safe semi permanent methods of birth control that women should be on BEFORE becoming sexually active and no man should have sex with a woman without proof that she is on some form of reliable birth control! Condoms are not enough as they are only about 88% effective if used correctly, but they should still be worn every time to help slow the transfer of infectious diseases! (meaning that out of every 100 women relying on a condom to prevent pregnancy 12 will get pregnant…not good odds!)

          • falling321

            I absolutely despise that “right to choose” crap! Ask any woman who has had an abortion, why she did it and the greatest majority of them will tell you that they felt they had no other choice but to abort! Their partner, their parents, society, friends, teachers, the media tells them they can’t do it on their own, so kill it. No one advocates for adoption, because, as you said, you might get attached and then giving your child up to someone else would be difficult, so kill it early! The government will pay you to keep it, but only just enough to stay poor forever unless you are a highly motivated person and work your way off of welfare. Men don’t have to pay much and most women are so stupid they will lie just to keep the man from having to pay child support, so taxpayers are left to fund it all. And evidently millions upon millions of women are to stupid to use birth control correctly or get on one of the more semi permanent foolproof methods so they just on keep getting pregnant and on killing them off because it is just so very EASY!

      • falling321

        The dismal safety net in America? ARE YOU FRIGGIN” INSANE! We have the best safety net of any country in the world, bar none! In fact, it is so good that women keep having baby after baby after baby once they are on it just so they can STAY on it! Food, housing, medical care, education….you name it and American’s get it for free if they are willing to have stay poor and have kids they can’t afford to support! If may well be easy for some women to kill their own children rather than give them up for adoption, but life isn’t all about the individual! And that child has a father too, do you totally discount his opinion on the matter? What if he is willing to raise the child all on his own, does the woman still have the only say on what happens to that child while it is developing? It may well be your body, but it isn’t just your child, nor is that child a part of your body, it was just entrusted to your body for the first 9 months of it’s life!

  • Mary

    Do you realize that you are attacking a very educated woman. Why are you ALWAYS on the attack. You sound very bitter. I feel sorry for you because you are so young and uninformed. I mean look at the President’s 12-year-old and 15-year-old daughters. They not only radiate happiness and beauty, but they are intelligent and well informed. I could keep naming other fine young ladies, like Chelsea Clinton. But I will stop and hopefully you’ll see the light.
    Not only do you love to attack Mexicans, Blacks, and other minorities, but sometimes you will throw in a minority to make it seem as if you are not a bigot. But we ALL know.

    • otlset

      Mary on the attack, and sounding bitter too. Liberals, in their absolute sense of self-righteousness in scolding others, are almost always blind to their own faults. Yeah, we ALL know.


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