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Meet Walter Joshua Fretz

These are the most powerful photos I’ve seen in a long time.

A woman named Lexi Fretz — a photographer from Pennsylvania — was about to photograph a wedding when she miscarried her baby at only 19 weeks.  He lived only a few moments before dying.

You know how people sometimes call an unborn child a “clump of cells?”

Well, this grieving family was able to capture some photos that show clearly that Walter Joshua Fretz was more than a “clump of cells.”  Rather, he was a little tiny boy.  A precious boy whose photos are reaching thousands. See all of his photos – and learn more about his family — here.

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  • Mike

    :-(

  • JuVen Luis

    Sad and cute at the same time. Because the little baby girl holding that fetus is so cute. Then my emotion gets the best of me when I see life is gone so early..

    • Mary

      That is a baby. I hate to hear someone call a baby a fetus.

      • Anonymous

        There is nothing wrong with using a scientific term. It can be both.

        • mel mariner

          No, once born they are babies. If you are going to use a scientific term then use it correctly or it looks uneducated, ignorant and heartless.

          He, Walter, was a living person.

          • Guest

            Sorry baby…Gosh I corrected..

          • mel mariner

            Wasn’t meant to be harsh to you. It is a sensitive subject because papers like the NYTimes continue to use the term fetus in situations like the Gosnell trial where the children were born alive and then murdered. It is a tactic used to keep from using the word baby because they do not want anyone to comprehend what is happening to the most vulnerable in this country. They claim science while ignoring the definition – fe·tus (fts)
            n. pl. fe·tus·es
            1. The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal.
            2. In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo.

          • Pamela K. Cahoon Laub

            There are people in society and the government who want to approve post-birth abortion of children up to 3 years old – with no punishment. Moral people call that murder.

          • Ghin

            Seriously Pamela???? You actually believe that nonsense they feed you?

          • Charie

            This happens to be true to a point. Talk to some of the bio-ethicists. Wish I could remember the one who was pushing to be able to kill your child up to one year of age. Didn’t know it had gone to 3 years. Hadn’t heard that, but did hear a nutcase advocating for up to 2 years of age. The one year advocates have been around for a long time. They rate right up there with abortionists and should be ashamed to show their faces in public. It’s what happens when you allow “a little bit of murder” (abortion) then everyone wants to get into the act.

          • Fghf

            “Pushing to be able to” Charlie? Or do you really mean just having a bioethical debate? Because there is a difference there. And it’s a far cry from what Pamela was suggesting/misled to believe.

          • Sharon Kutz

            To Guest and Ghin, Children are ‘living’ from conception. Semantics will not diminish the murdering of innocent pre-born babies. Politics should not define morality.

          • Fghf

            Sharon you are talking about your religious beliefs. And while those help define your own morality, they don’t define everyone’s, and they should not define our laws.

          • Sharon Kutz

            Then what should define our laws? Should chaos run rampant? There are moral absolutes that can’t be denied. Those who would choose to remove these absolutes, will only bring harm to a society.

          • Fghf

            We define our laws Sharon. And since we do not all share the same religious beliefs, religion should not define our laws.

            You seem to have the wrong impression that without religious beliefs there are no morals.

          • Sharon Kutz

            You didn’t answer the question Fghf. WHAT should define our laws? I’m not talking religion.

          • glena

            Really? Care to share where you’ve heard that nonsense? Because it’s not true, not a bit of it.

            You only weaken your argument against abortion when you spray your comment with such outrageous statements that are simply not true.

          • Fghf

            Exactly glena

          • Fghf

            There are no such people politicallie. Pamela is simply gullible.

          • JuVen Luis

            If you look I corrected my statement…Sorry

      • Kimberly Horton Rock

        Fetus is Latin for little one.. Offspring… Little child… Young one…

  • Susan Schipper

    IT TAKES THE BODY TWO YEARS TO RECOVER AFTER THE LOST OF A CHILD AND IN OUR HEART FOR LIFE !! GOD BLESS THE CHILDERN & AMERICA === THANK YOU ~~ PALIN FAMILY !! FROM OUR HOME TO YOURS !!!

  • julieannepol

    that looks more lake a baby than a fetus

    • Recon5

      Had the same thought. I was “debating” someone yesterday claiming national Republican oppression on the 20-week rule. “An acorn isn’t a tree, an egg isn’t a chicken, and a zygote/fetus isn’t a baby.”

      • Karen Fandal

        Then why are there rules , fines and even jail time about raiding the nest of endangered birds. Why because they are that bird they will not develop into a dog. Same with a fetus it is a human and if noy killed it will deliver as a human.

      • Pamela K. Cahoon Laub

        At 20 weeks a preborn baby is 5 months old. If a woman wants to murder her baby why would she wait so long?

        • glena

          It is rare for an abortion to happen at 20+ weeks. Maybe I should say, not the norm, instead of rare because not much is rare these days.

          Most abortions happen before 12 weeks. MOST.

          • mel mariner

            That does not qualify as rare. Are you aware that no one is willing to write into law that you cannot get an abortion simply because you don’t like the sex of your baby? The reason being that no one wants to mess with the idea of interfering in the private decision. The truth being is that they do not want to admit to any part of abortion being cruel and hideous.

          • Fghf

            No one wants to interfer? Sorry Mel, but we do hAve restrictions in this country on late term abortion and the majority of Americans support this.

          • glena

            I doubt anyone would disagree with you that abortion is a terrible thing. But for some women, it seems to be their only choice.

            Lots of people do things for lots of reasons but getting an abortion because you don’t like the sex of the baby is highly unlikely.

            Generally the first indication of the sex of the baby can be seen at the 20 week ultrasound. SOMETIMES, not every time. Most abortions are performed before 12 weeks. Some at 16 weeks but very few at 20+ weeks when the sex of the fetus would be known.

      • Sharon Kutz

        An egg isn’t a turtle either, but you will be heavily fined if you disturb the nest. Why? Because everyone knows that it ‘is a turtle inside that egg’.
        In humans, from conception onward, it is a baby inside the mother’s body.

        • Ghin

          No Sharon, the “why” is because sea turtles are endangered.

          • Sharon Kutz

            Are turtles more important than humans? If your reply is ‘yes’, than that tells me where you are coming from.
            The answer is, ‘no’, by the way.

          • Fghf

            More important to whom Sharon? To sea turtles? Yes. To Humans? No. But we don’t want to have them become extinct so we do what we can to avert that.

          • Sharon Kutz

            It seems so disingenuous to even argue this point. Until we are ready to protect unborn human babies, protecting other lower species is a hollow victory.

          • eyesareopen

            Of course,as usual, you did not answer the point made by Sharon. By me saying ‘as usual’, I mean the large group around in the west who rationalize abortion.

          • eyesareopen

            Would your attitude be different if humans were endangered? Sorry, I don’t think you would change your answer.

          • Charie

            Duh, but if something else were to hatch out of a turtle egg, what would be the point of putting the turtle on the endangered species list because all eggs would be a crap shoot and you might be trying to fine someone for taking a crocodile egg.
            But, science being what it is, they know that nothing but a turtle will come out of those eggs, just like only a human will emerge approx. 9 months after that human
            egg is impregnated.

          • Fghf

            Duh but what’s your point?

    • Michelle Tessier Seay

      What is your definition of fetus? It is a tiny baby residing inside its mother. Up to delivery. We refer to term and post term babies during labor and delivery as fetuses.

      • lanahi

        I don’t know any mother who calls her unborn baby a “fetus”. To her, it has always been a baby.

    • Kimberly Horton Rock

      Actually, fetus means little one… Young one,,, Offspring… I don’t know why they try to make us picture a fetus as a blob of cells…

      • Pamela K. Cahoon Laub

        They do that to justify abortion.

    • julieannepol

      Michelle if it were mine I would call him a baby he was to young to survive ,Lost a fetus and it did not look like this baby it look like an un feathered bird this looks like I tiny bay it is what it no offence it just looks like a baby ,People abort at this point and do not realize how much it is a baby .Maybe if more people call this tiny being a baby less would be put in the trash

  • Brian Dirk

    Our time in this life is quite finite. The impact we make in this world depends on what we are willing to do to make that impact. Young Master Walter made the greatest impact anyone could hope to. But to do so, he had to sacrifice “self”. Not himself, but rather “Self”. That little part in each of us that says to lookout for yourself more than others. What lesson can we learn from this? My prayers are with the family during this time that they may rejoice in his accomplishment.

  • Kim

    The link to read more will not load. How sad for them to lose Joshua!! I have a friend who delivered at 24 weeks, he survived for 5 months only to die of SIDS. Horrible loss to everyone who loved him!

  • Bonnie Ames

    Nearly 19 years ago, my granddaughter held her 21 week baby sister. She weighed 15 ounces and lived only a few minutes. Amelia was 4 years old at the time and had already lost a brother that my daughter carried for 7 and a half months. Jonathan lived 65 minutes. This is very real to this grandmother and still cry over the loss of these little ones. They now have 2 sons, 13 and 11, for which we thank the Lord. These lives are precious as is every little child!!!

    • Pamela K. Cahoon Laub

      I carried twins for 7 1/2 months before having a miscarriage. They sedated me and I never saw nor held my sons. They thought they were being kind, but they weren’t. I’m happy your daughter later had live, healthy children. I didn’t.

      • deb800

        44 years ago I had a son at 6 months. He only weighed a pound and a half…and only lived 2 hours. They kept me sedated also and I never got to see him or hold him. I will never forgive them for that.

        • Ginny Knight Scott

          Please try to forgive them. If you know Jesus, you will see him again.

  • JuVen Luis

    *********Thanks Mary for pointing that out baby is 19 weeks old sorry folks*****
    Sad and cute at the same time. Because the little baby girl holding that baby is so cute. Then my emotion gets the best of me when I see life is gone so early..

  • Abby Miles

    I am so sorry for this family….so sorry for their lose. What a precious little one. I will pray for their healing in this time of grief.

  • Stephine Michelle Dean

    I went threw this exact same thing back in july I never got to hold my son and am now wondering if he may have lived for a few moments

    • indyliz

      I’m very sorry for your loss.

      • Stephine Michelle Dean

        Thank u. this story has me thinking about maybe my baby lived for a few minutes. they didn’t even let me hold him

        • glena

          It’s unlikely that your baby ever took a breath if it was less than 20 weeks gestation. No Dr would have kept a breathing baby from you. They would have said so.

          That’s what makes me angry when people USE situations like this and twist some of the “facts” to make them more sensational, mothers grieve deeply, for their whole lives, for the loss of their children. Then they have to wonder if they were cheated out of those few moments of breath their child had.

          Please be assured that your baby did not enter this world breathing and was already gone at delivery.

          I’m so sorry for your loss. It is something that never gets easier for a mother.

          • Stephine Michelle Dean

            i am in the middle of a lawsuit with hospital because they were by law suppossed to preform a ultrasound to make sure baby was gone but they did not do it

          • glena

            I’m sorry to hear that. I know it’s a terrible thing to loose a child.

    • Pamela K. Cahoon Laub

      I am so sorry. I feel your pain. I was pregnant 12 times, including twins, and none survived to a live birth. It was a miracle that I ever got pregnant as I had severe endometriosis which doomed my children. Anyone who hasn’t experienced this loss can come close to understanding the grief and pain.

      • Tammy Brown

        I lost 3 myself The worst is that my oldest daughter has endometriosis and she has lost one baby already (last month). She will be having a third surgery next month. I know it has to bother people that they can not conceive. But never give up hope. That is what keeps us trucking. (just heard that from a preacher on the radio.) Quite fitting, I think.

  • SimoneS

    “A clump of cells” most usually refers to the tragedy of a blighted ovum miscarriage– when a woman is pregnant but has only an empty sac to show for it. A blighted ovum miscarriage containing only ‘a clump of cells’ is just as valid a miscarriage, even if there is no cute little baby body formed! There is a misfiring at the time of conception, and no cute little baby body ever forms. So ‘clump of cells’ is a correct terminology in many cases. Please don’t minimize the pain experienced by women who have the blighted ovum type of miscarriage. Their pain is as real as that of women who miscarry actual little cute baby bodies. In fact, their pain may be worse, as it seems to them the pregnancy never existed!

    • Cae

      Random clump of cells does not refer to women experiencing miscarriages. It refers to the lefts justification of abortions early on and to challenge those who assert that life begins at conception. You are the one distorting the argument.

      • Ghin

        Key words: ” early on”. Something Prolifers forget about when mentioning clump of cells and the reality of when most abortions occur.

        • Sarah Penner

          It doesn’t matter if it’s “early on” or not. A baby is a baby. Do we start celebrating a pregnancy at 3 months? Nope. The minute we know, we celebrate. Besides, most prolifers also know that babies can be aborted many, many months after they take on the features of a baby. A baby is a baby is a baby from day one, no matter when the world deems it a baby.

          • Ghin

            Fact: 9 jn 10 abortions occur within first 12 weeks of pregnancy

          • Sarah Penner

            They are still no less a baby in the first 12 weeks.

          • Ghin

            Not everyone feels the same way as you Sarah.

          • MeanGranny

            And not everyone feels the same way as you, Ghin.

          • Ghin

            Exactly. And I don’t expect them them to MeanGranny. Personal beliefs are just that.

          • Betty King

            Personal beliefs do not trump an unborn child’s right to life. Women have choices, and when pregnancy results from the choice of unprotected sex, the rights of the child are the only rights to be considered. I think the pictures
            of the photographer’s miscarried baby send a very powerful message of truth about the formation of new life after conception. I will never understand the liberal extremists who despise capital punishment–even if the person has murdered innocent children. But they support the woman’s right to enjoy her sexual escapades and kill off the resulting new life because it is just too damn inconvenient.

          • Ghin

            Betty, as tragic as these photos are, people know that the vast majority of abortions occur long before this stage in pregnancy. That’s why they continue to be largely ineffective. Sorry, but that’s the truth.

          • M_Baker

            I agree, women do have choices, and one of those choices assured to them by the Supreme Court is to choose wether or not to have an abortion, hopefully based on sound reasoning if they decide to have an abortion. That decision should not be taken lightly.

            Also, who’s to say the women who make that choice should see it as taking “a child’s life”. That is strictly the opinion of some and not necessarily the opinion of the women who make that choice. Women are free to make their own choice without interference from others. That is why we have the freedom to practice the religion we chose, and if you try to force your morals on others, you have over stepped your bounds.

          • glena

            Most abortions are not done with a giddy woman who wants to just run out and have more sex and do it all again.

            Most are grievous decisions that are done after much agonizing by the woman.

            You all want to wear the mantle that ALL abortions are just for convenience sake.

            That’s not even close to the truth.

            I would NEVER have an abortion and I’ve had to face that being told I have a fetus that will be born severally handicapped if they are born breathing at all. I was told how selfish I would be to my other children to place that burden on them. This child would require around the clock care from me with no time left for my other three children. No more vacations, no more spontaneous anything with a severely handicapped child.

            I am thankful that God took that decision out of my hands.

            I’m not about to judge someone else who has to make that heart wrenching decision on their own.

            It’s not for us to judge anyway. I believe that’s what my God tells me.

          • Sarah Penner

            I understand that, Ghin. However, it doesn’t make what I’ve said any less true.

          • Ghin

            Sure it does Sarah. Not everyone believes it’s ” no less a baby” from day one. Whether you call day one the day of conception, or the day of implantation.

          • Sarah Penner

            Just because others believe it not to be true that a baby is a baby from the moment of conception, doesn’t make them right. Does the earth cease being round if someone believes it is a triangle?

          • Ghin

            No Sarah, the Earth being round is a fact not a belief. Bad argument.

          • Sarah Penner

            I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree here. I don’t believe that a baby being a baby from conception is any less fact than the earth being round. I don’t know how people can look at this post and not think the same. Some people want to believe what is convenient for them though and I could talk (or type) until I am blue in the face and they wouldn’t change their minds.

          • Ghin

            And no one should try and change your mind Sarah. Your belief is strong.

          • Sarah Penner

            I appreciate that this hasn’t turned into name calling and an all-out brawl. Thanks for a very calm discussion.

            I will always try to convince others of this truth, because to believe otherwise is to believe it’s okay for babies to be killed for convenience.

          • Ghin

            Thank you Sarah. Just keep in mind that your “truth” is based on your personal belief, which given your comment about at conception I suspect is strongly steeped in your religious faith like most Prolifers. And that’s okay. But just know that not everyone shares your belief and faith.

          • Sarah Penner

            I am, sadly, well aware that not everyone shares my belief and faith. That doesn’t mean that I have to sit back and watch without saying anything though. I try not to attack anyone. If I can save even one baby with my discussions, I will be thrilled. :)

          • Ghin

            Well, if you are one of the people I have seen in front of abortion clinics getting in the way of women who have made their own choice already I have to say I don’t approve of what you do. I have friends whose own church has volunteers who help escort women past those protesters. Which I think is good. The women shouldn’t be harassed by you but I understand why you do it and how strongly you believe in what you are doing and so long as you are acting within the law you are free to do so.

          • Sarah Penner

            If I was ever in front of an abortion clinic, it would be out of love. No hatred, no violence, no malice. I would not escort anyone into a clinic but I wouldn’t wrestle them to keep them out. It would break my heart though.

          • Patti Thornhill

            Exactly — Ghin, if you are so stuck with facts about the earth being round, then why do you ignore the facts of medical science?

          • M_Baker

            She’s not ignoring the fact of medical science, you are. After an egg has been fertilized it is referred to a zygote. Approximately 2 months after conception a zygote becomes an embryo, which is the point at which the cells start to differentiate and start to form specialized cells that will become specific organs. An embryo exists the womb until it is actually born, and at that point it can then properly be referred to as a baby. The picture shown in this article is of an embryo, not a baby. To be clear, a fetus is any stage of growth before birth.

          • Sarah Penner

            You seriously can look at the photos above and say that is ‘not a baby’? Wow. That is serious denial.

          • dbsdey

            People who deny that from the moment of conception a baby is a baby are just looking for an excuse for their indifference to the murder of the innocent. What other reason could there be?

          • Fghf

            The moment of conception? dbsdey do you realize that about 22% of conceptions don’t even implant ? That’s a lot of ” deaths” that go undetected.

          • Boommach

            Good point. That would make someone who does manage to ‘implant’ that much more special. Thank you for pointing this out.

          • M_Baker

            Absolutely. Can it survive on its own?

          • Fghf

            Patti you aren’t talking facts of medical science.

          • Patti Thornhill

            It’s not about how we feel about it Ghin — facts are stubborn things. If not terminated naturally or artificially, a pre-born baby at any stage of development has it’s own DNA and will be born. That’s not about how we feel, that’s science.

          • M_Baker

            No, that is not science. Viruses have DNA, but the current scientific thoughts have been that viruses do not represent life.

          • Fghf

            Actually it is about how you feel. Just because a pre-born has its own DNA does not mean it is the same as a born child. That is a matter of personal belief, not science. Sarah Penner here, for example, believes ( like most pro lifers) that from the moment of conception it is no less than a born child. That’s not based on science but her belief that God creates each life and its wrong to interfere. I don’t share that belief.

          • M_Baker

            It’s not a baby at all by any scientific explanation, it’s an embryo. An egg yoke is also an embryo, but would you consider that a baby.

        • Cae

          At no stage is a fetus or fertilized egg just a random clump of cells.

          • M_Baker

            Where is everyone coming up with this “random clump of cells” statement? Who originally said or wrote that?

          • Cae

            Originally
            SimoneS

            “A clump of cells” most usually
            refers to the tragedy of a blighted ovum miscarriage-..” …
            The real expression used by pro-choicers is Random Clump of Cells. It is a phrase used to justify abortion.

          • M_Baker

            Thanks!

  • Betty Mullins

    THIS IS SO HEART BREAKING ] THE POOR LITTLE THING IS NOW A ANGEL IN HEAVEN ]

  • Exodus2011

    thank you for bringing the, usually hidden, *reality* of life, to your blog Bristol

    another pic your Mom posted a few weeks ago is this one, showing just newborn twins,….. it seems they are unaware that they are now out of their protective environment, and are still holding each other, as they most likely have been used to doing, for several months **__**

    • Exodus2011

      OT but **__**

      (Watch Sarah Palin take out ‘The Peace Monkey’ in the final stretch **__** ~> ) Westport 8 March 2013 Race 10 ~>
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3nH9iqzhOk&feature=share

      • mel mariner

        Yes it is and stupid. This is about someone losing a child. Not idol worship of a politician. I do not get the impression that Palin is someone that would like that. It’s kind of creepy.

        • Exodus2011

          hey melly

          do you think that Pacer is ‘mine’?

          or is it possible I came across this race on youtube inadvertently (it’s nearly a year old) and thought it was cute so posted it?

          it’s a little creepy of you to think such a thing is ‘creepy’ dontcha think mel?

          perhaps it’s cos of your untreated PDS?

          • Fghf

            I think I’m beginning to see how it is you got banned Exodus.

          • Exodus2011

            oh?

            it’s worked out for the best really (I find that a lot actually – it’s the Romans 8 v 28 principle)

            I am more inclined to roam over many blogs now and also conduct twitter raids exposing your Killary and your Liar-in-Chief … I did that for quite a time today with many many RTs and favs

            these were especially popular over the last few days:

            #CantRememberToForgetYou Sadly Obama & Clinton *did* remember to forget the repeated cries for help from #Benghazi ~> pic.twitter.com/PJ89Xx5wwO

            #ThingsThatOffendLiberals reminding Americans of the LIES told by their LIAR-in-Chief ~> pic.twitter.com/ZerBxwGCGw

          • Fghf

            And yet you won’t say what got you banned. It must still sting

          • Exodus2011

            not at all sweetums

            in fact if you ask booboo and Nicole (and they choose to be honest .. which happens sometimes **__**) they will tell you that last year they opened up my access to C4P again, in an attempt to get me to go back there … in order to pin me down to one place, and limit the damage I am doing

            I am booboo’s assignment y’see and she is very harassed when I roam all over the blogs

            LOL

            **__**

  • Chuck Zook

    My wife and I lost a child this way too. But for some reason I didn’t want to see it. I can’t explain why and as we have discussed it over the years I now wish I would have. But I know I will meet her alone with two other unborn ones and our little Anna who went on before us at 4 and a half years old. Oh the joy when we meet.

  • 2C714

    Thank you, Bristol for sharing these photos of Walter Joshua Fretz.
    What a precious little baby boy . . . who is now in his new heavenly home!
    Praying for this to reach millions!!

  • Kathryn

    I was here once, wish I had pictures of my precious baby…

  • Exodus2011

    January 2013 marked 40 years since Roe V. Wade and the decision of the highest Court in the land to allow termination of babies on demand, in the Land of the Free …

    40 is the Biblical number associated with ‘testing’ … and throughout that time Believing Americans have been earnestly praying for deliverance from what many consider to be a curse on the Land brought on by the spilling of innocent blood on a daily basis …

    Keep praying because there is real movement on this cultural issue since sep/oct 2008 ….. (1st EVER crossover – with pro-life numbers exceeding pro-choice … )

    • Fghf

      Careful though Exodus. Gallup doesn’t actually define Pro life and pro choice when asking the question. In the same polls, the large majority ( roughly 75%) of Americans believe abortion should be allowed all or some of the time.

      • Exodus2011

        I believe there is a significant cultural change, a sea-change underway … propelled by the Gosnell horror story

        Texas has already moved legislatively, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see other States move also – a multitude of Believing Americans will be praying for this trend to continue – that’s for sure

        we shall see what happens

        DEO VOLENTE the Culture of Life trend will continue

        • Fghf

          Really Exodus? You believe there is significant cultural change? You can see this from all the way over there in New Zealand? Too funny. No the truth is, the country is becoming more progressive, not less.

          • Exodus2011

            yup – easily F

            it’s called ‘the new media’

            (people can read my disqus profile if interested in my background and location)

          • Fghf

            Wow, well with that ” cause” heading your profile, however did you get banned from c4p?

          • Exodus2011

            Nicole I reckon

          • M_Baker

            Who is Nicole?

          • Fghf

            I think it’s Exodus code for something top secret. It must have been a doozy for such a super fan to be ousted.

          • M_Baker

            As I recall it was a doozy and she had been warned several time before that. But this is her site and she can say whatever she wants to say without having to worry if the monitors are going to kick her off or not. At least here she has the freedom to say whatever she wants to say, which is what it should be at every web site.

          • Exodus2011

            “this is ‘her’ site”, Ma?

          • M_Baker

            LOL, I actually forgot what site I was on.

          • Fghf

            What’s exodus’ site Ma?

          • Exodus2011

            You dont wanna display my reply pathos mods?

          • mel mariner

            The country is becoming more progressive but the young people in the country are not interested in selfish arguments that ignore science.

          • Fghf

            Mel, the prolife position is not science based but rather personal belief based. And that us largely tied to religious faith. And religious faith is decreasing in the young.

          • mel mariner

            Yeah right whatever http://www.secularprolife.org/

          • Fghf

            Yep. Personal belief based. LARGELY tied to religious faith.

          • mel mariner

            She’s an atheist. I was under the mistaken belief system that you could actually read. My bad

          • Fghf

            Wow Mel. That’s some lovely way about you you’ve got. How’s that working out fir you? I actually didnt say anything about whomever runs that prolife group. I was simply restating my original comment, emphasizing the “largely”. It seems you didn’t really read my comment carefully.

      • mel mariner

        that is not true and you know it. The majority of Americans, especially women believe there should be restrictions placed on it.

        • Fghf

          Mel, read more carefully what I wrote “… All OR SOME of the time…..”

    • Debbie Leatherman Hudnall

      The movement was exploding in 1985-93 in our area of Houston and spread out throughout the country. I also was invited to other countries to share photos I have taken of numerous aborted babies as well as to give my testimony. I am happy the movement is going strong and hope it explodes every lie!! Blessing

      • M_Baker

        What lie?

    • M_Baker

      These pictures show an embryo, not a baby. Just because it may have some similarities to a fully developed baby, doesn’t make it a baby. This is also proof it can’t live outside of the womb without the vital nourishment from the blood supply it must receive from the mother in order to develop further into a baby. So if an embryo can’t survive on its own, how can that be considered life?

      The Supreme Court made its groundbreaking decision forty years ago that still stands today based on scientific evidence, not based on emotions. The majority of American’s still support their decision.

      • Kim

        That is not any embryo. It is a fetus. If you are going to make comments, make sure you know what you are talking about.

        • M_Baker

          The proper definition of a fetus is any stage of growth from fertilization to birth. It’s a broad term. You can refer to a zygote as a fetus, or an embryo as a fetus. I chose to identify each specific stage of growth so I could state what specifically occurred at each stage.

          • Richard Smit

            Go spread your hate toward Sarah Palin somewhere else!

          • mel mariner

            Once the child is born then he/she is called a baby, NOT a fetus. It’s not just a developmental stage. Good grief have you not heard of Google? It is not that hard to learn.

        • mel mariner

          A fetus is an unborn baby. He was born and died afterwards. The scientifically correct term is human baby.

          • glena

            The term miscarry, which is used in this article means the pregnancy did not survive. The baby did not live for moments or seconds or any other amount of time. This is misleading to say it happened that way.

            If you want to champion your cause, use true facts and not hyper exaggerations that make your own cause less strong.

      • Exodus2011

        Most Americans believe their eyes that do not lie, not the ‘legal speak’

        the pictures are powerful and tell the story … and all the legal speak in the world, from the death people won’t change that

        • M_Baker

          I’m not speaking in legal speak, and I’m also not speaking on my beliefs. What I’m basing my thoughts on is what I know about medical science. You seem to be basing you thoughts on just what you see at a single moment without knowing the facts behind what you are seeing. That’s OK if that is what you want to base your opinion on, but I like to know more about what I’m seeing and the facts and knowledge behind it before I draw my own conclusion on something.

        • Fghf

          Exodus, most Americans know that the vast majority of abortions occur in first 12 weeks . The photos Prolifers try to use to change people’s mind font reflect that.

          • Exodus2011

            F I think the climate will soon be optimum to define the term “life” in a Constitutional Amendment

          • M_Baker

            You may believe that, but the polls don’t.

          • Exodus2011

            polls can swing hugely, and very quickly indeed

            look at what one National Appearance by Gov Palin with her precious Trig (seen by upwards of 40 million Americans) on Sep 3rd 2008 did to the pro-life poll numbers

          • mrswright

            i think the photos shown here question the whole LAT TERM ABORTION ISSUE.

        • M_Baker

          Your eyes can also see that it’s not alive.

          • Exodus2011

            young Walter Joshua Fretz lived outside his mother for a short time ….. his heart had been beating since the 4 week stage – all his fingers and toes were already developed

            He was a beautiful human being … he *is* beautiful even now

            ‘absent from the body, present with The LORD’ ~ Paul The Apostle

          • M_Baker

            According to the article that “short time” was only “moments”. A head severed from a human body survives for “moments” too.

          • mel mariner

            So when you stop breathing we can call you a fetus?

      • Shawna

        A baby can’t survive on it’s own either, without “vital nourishment” from the mother (or a substitute). If a healthy newborn was left on it’s own, it would die.

        • M_Baker

          But a baby is capable of living outside of a womb and can act to stimuli because of an active brain that can communicate to its caregivers.

      • M Dunn

        M Baker, you are completely within your rights as an individual to your beliefs as am I. The two beliefs are opposing but I truly resent that my tax dollars are associated with abortion. If that is someone’s belief then they and only they should pay for their abortion.

        • M_Baker

          First, it should satisfy you to learn that your tax dollars are not being used for women to have abortions.

          • Richard Smit

            the Supreme court decision was wrong!!! and so where those Stupid “Scientific evindences!!! Sarah Palin Opposes Roe VS wade! and she is right!!!!!!

          • M_Baker

            The Supreme Court is wrong only in your own opinion which is based on what facts? Sarah Palin doesn’t know what the Supreme Court heard or know anything more than any one else. So why is her opinion even important? Do you base your own opinion solely on what Sarah Palin believes, and not on your own thoughts. If so, don’t even bother responding to me because I don’t want to reply to someone who can’t think for themselves.

          • Richard Smit

            THe Supreme court is wrong because they think it it okay to kill unborn babies. And Sarah Palin is always right!

          • M_Baker

            The Supreme Court does not believe they are killing babies based on the facts they used to base their ruling on. That’s just your opinion and what you based your opinion on you haven’t reveal, of if its even based on anything I don’t know.

            It’s very sad you don’t think for yourself, but instead rely on whatever Palin says to decide what your opinions are. That’s the same type of thinking that allows dictators to exist, and is very typical in what happen in Germany before and during WWII. The members of the Jones cult also thought the same way and look where they ended up. Do you really believe you’re any different then they were when they took their lives only because they believed without question in what he said?

          • Richard Smit

            Go spread your hate toward Sarah Palin somewhere else! this blog is only for true Sarah Palin supporters!

          • M_Baker

            Delete.

          • Richard Smit

            I will not deleted it! you Godless liberals are all evil people!

          • Fghf

            It’s unfortunate Richard that you believe godless=evil. That simply is not true.

          • Richard Smit

            Godless people are all evil!!

          • M_Baker

            You’re an absolute idiot, there is no other way to describe you. You’re obviously not a very logical thinker and much of a deep thinker. What can only be described as humorous is your reply to what I had previous deleted because I wrote the comment under the wrong commenter. Do you now see what I mean by saying you’re a shallow thinker who lacks logical thinking skills?

          • Fghf

            M Baker, I think Richard actually is mentally challenged in some way. Personally I think it’s best to not call him names and try to be kind.

          • Richard Smit

            No, Palin haters are mentally challenged!

          • Richard Smit

            People who hate Sarah Palin and attack her views are the ones that are idiots!

          • Richard Smit

            And they based their rulling on Goldless views!

          • M_Baker

            “Goldless”? Was their ruling gold?

          • Richard Smit

            I Meaned to say Godless

          • M_Baker

            I think what you meant to say using proper grammar is;” I meant to say Godless.” Notice that I didn’t capitalize “Meaned”, and that I spelled ‘meant” properly. Two mistakes on one word, wow!

          • Richard Smit

            why are you even following this blog if you hate Sarah Palin?

          • M_Baker

            Who said I hated Sarah? Just because I point out the fact she is not an authority on a subject any more than anyone else is “hating”? Check out your dictionary on the definition of “hate”.

          • Richard Smit

            You are only her to attack Sarah Palins viewpoints! there is nothing wrong with her view points on abortion! and she believes that the Roe v wade should be overturned! and there is nothing wrong with that at all!

          • M_Baker

            Did I ever say there was anything wrong with someone believing Roe vs Wade should be overturned. No. Did I attack Palin by stating the obvious that she knows no more about the decision on Wade vs Roe than any of us. No. Did I say there was anything wrong with her opinion on abortion, no.

            But, what I do see is that you have some very serious issues on your thoughts on Palin. You seem to be dependent on every word she speaks and excessively idolize her. My guess is that your family has also spoken to you about it, and they finally gave up in trying to help you. Because of this, I will not respond back to you and feed further into your insecurities.

          • Richard Smit

            So do you hate Sarah Palin or not? it looks like to me that you are only her to Attack Sarah palins views!

          • eyesareopen
          • M_Baker

            Nothing in that article supports your contention that PP uses government money for abortions. PP makes it a point of separating the money they receive from the government by keeping a separate account for abortions. By having separate accounts they can make sure none of the governments money goes into the account they use for abortions.

          • eyesareopen

            Just because you are hopelessly brainwashed does not change reality. You live under a rock. You believe what you want to believe.

          • M_Baker

            Just because someone makes an accusation doesn’t make it a fact. Thats why we have courts. Have you ever heard of PP being found using government money for abortions, and had the proof to back it up with? Of course the answer to that is ‘No, you haven’t’. People can say anything they want, lies included, and people can believe anything they want, but if the person can’t back it up what they said it means very little, except for the gullible and those who want to believe it’s true.

          • eyesareopen

            Back up your claims.

          • M_Baker

            You just don’t get it. Its like someone saying something doesn’t exist when it’s sitting right next to us. What’s to prove?

            A better example might be to say, A said someone took all of B’s money, when B still has all of his money.

          • glena

            There is no EVIDENCE to support the idea that PP pays for abortions with Government money. What EVIDENCE do you want someone to back up their claim with?

            That’s like asking someone to prove they didn’t do something. The proof is in the lack of evidence to support it happening.

            How about you back up YOUR claim that your Government money is paying for abortions? Show us the evidence, the PROOF, not just some idle gossip or fear mongering that says it to be fact because someone WANTS it to be a fact?

            Where is your PROOF?

          • eyesareopen

            Keep peddling hamsterman..
            You prove your case….waiting with patience but expecting nothing but excuses.

          • glena

            YOU prove your case. When a thing does not occur there is not evidence of a non occurrence. If you say that government money pays for abortions, that is an action that should be easily proven. So prove it. You back up your claim with the facts that it happens.

            It doesn’t happen.
            If you think it does, then prove it does.

          • eyesareopen

            Why are you so bent on defending the death of unborn children? Are you really that morally bankrupt?

          • eyesareopen

            You really believe that don’t you?

          • M_Baker

            Absolutely, and until someone can prove that they are, I will continue to believe it.

          • eyesareopen

            Here is a novel idea. You prove your case. Until then,I will consider you a brain washed fool. You have seen the footage from this story [and reject it] . I don’t believe you even read the link I provided. Good night sir troll.

          • M_Baker

            There is actually no need for me to prove my case since no one has given any creditable evidence that PP has ever misused government money. It would only be necessary for me to prove my case if someone produced creditable evidence to show that they had misused government money. So who’s really the “brain washed fool” for believing what doesn’t exist.

          • eyesareopen

            You can’t therefore you won’t.

          • M_Baker

            I’ve already made my point by saying there is nothing to prove. If someone had a legitimate document that clearly documented PP had misused the money they received from the taxpayers, then I would have to defend my statement.

          • mel mariner

            It was a lack of scientific evidence. And PP is trying to keep people ignorant that is why they do not want ultrasounds accessible to expectant mothers.

          • M_Baker

            What lack of scientific evidence are you referring to. No one has ever shown or proven PP is paying for abortions with government money, including the government. Many people have accused them of doing that, but none of them have ever produced any evidence to back up their accusation. If you had evidence that they were, you would be a very popular person.

          • mel mariner

            For someone with the internet at your fingertips you are either a very lazy person or a very dishonest one. Which is it?

          • M_Baker

            Neither.

          • mel mariner

            Of course tax dollars are going to PP. Just because they claim that the money comes in under Title X goes for family planning does not mean that they keep the money in special envelopes specified for everything except abortions. It all goes into the same bank account. Abby Johnson, a former PP director, testified that funding came in, placed in the account and used for general operating expenses. Just how do you see that as not providing abortions? $542 million in 2012 of taxpayer money went to PP. The only way you can say that it didn’t pay for abortions is if PP quit doing abortions.

          • M_Baker

            You’re trying to put words in my mouth. I never said tax dollars didn’t go to PP, its just that our tax dollars are not paying for abortions. Managing two accounts is not rocket science, especially when they no doubt have accountants on their payroll.

            If Abby Johnson was creditable in what she said, how come Congress, especially the Republican’s, are not doing an investigation into PP and what they do with the money they get from the government.

          • gjsmith_62

            So, you’re just a shill for Planned Parenthoodlums? Wha are you buying with your thirty pieces of silver?

          • M_Baker

            I would be thrilled if someone paid me for writing comments! And to answer your question, no I’m not a shrill for PP.

          • gjsmith_62

            If you’re not a SHILL, then you should learn the meaning of the term “fungible assets”. Tax dollars to Planned Parenthoodlums is freeing assets to pay for abortions.

      • dbsdey

        One day all of those that have performed abortions, or had abortions, or ignored and approved the act of aborting a baby will stand before the Great White Throne of Judgment, and God will judge their acts of murder.
        Whether you have a belief in God or not, this will happen, and America will be judged harshly for the spilling of innocent blood on the abortion table.

        • M_Baker

          That’s your religious belief and not necessarily the beliefs of those who have chosen to have abortions. I’m sure like most people their beliefs are all over the map.

        • glena

          As with EVERY sinner who will stand before the throne for whatever their sins happen to be.

          No one is exempt from sin. No sin is greater than the other.

          There is PLENTY of sin to go around.

      • MyTwoCents

        actually you are wrong it is not an embryo but a fetus. An embryo is the first trimester description where the fetus is still attached to a yolk sac. If you are using science to support your claims you might want to use the correct scientific terms.
        To me as a mother it is still my baby.

        • M_Baker

          No. I’m correct. An embryo comes into being about 2 months after conception, and after being a zygote. A fetus is a general term meaning any stage after conception to birth. It’s a general term and not specific to any stage of development.

        • mrswright

          this is the first time i’ve seen a 19 week old fetus!!! i’ve never believed the “clump of cells” malarky!!

      • gjsmith_62

        And if you lost you ability to breath or eat? Pull the plug, right?

      • Boommach

        Regardless of how you wish to justify killing, I think we can all agree this sweet innocent creature is human.

  • Kim

    What else is awesome is the big sister was able to see him, too. If more children shared in the joy AND the sorrows families face, they would have a better understanding of life and death. Thank you for posting these pictures. As a RN who worked in the ER for many years, I saw first-hand the so-called clumps of cells and I knew they were babies who were loved and wanted. I felt the sorrow of the parents who lost their babies and my heart went out to them.

  • SBOC

    So if a woman ends her pregnancy by choice its murder, if it ends naturally and is subscribed as “being God’s will”, what does that make God?

    • dbsdey

      God does not cause miscarriages, but allows it to happen as one of life’s sad moments. As can be seen in these photos, this is a little person, not a blob of cells as we are taught. Americans fawn over “endangered species” by giving money and marching in protests, but who is protecting the human species from a horrible murder in the womb? When a woman has an abortion, she is not killing a clump of cells but a tiny developing BABY. She is now the mother of a dead child.

      • M_Baker

        Who taught you a fetus is a glob of cells? I never had any of my teachers say that or anything even close to it.

    • Bobbie Watkins

      It still makes him God. It is his choice to take the child home. Jesus said that if you harm one of his little ones it would be better for you to tie a millstone around your neck and throw yourself in the river. For what is waiting for you.

    • Boommach

      Murder is the illegal killing of another human. It is perfectly legal to kill little babies as long as they’re young enough. Murder is generally obscenely immoral. Abortion is worse. That is why the left has its obsessive affinity for the practice.

    • gjsmith_62

      Why are you even on a Christian web site? Trolling?

      • SBOC

        Well if you must know, this link was posted by my cousin on facebook and I read the article. I’ve always wanted a Christian perspective so I thought I would finally ask the question. Nothing more nothing less. I’m only out to hear other people’s opinions on the matter. That is part of being human and interacting with others whether you share their viewpoint in full, part, or not at all.

        • gjsmith_62

          You’ve ascribed to God a characteristic of evil intent, which is impossible. Do you know the difference between murder and someone dying?

          • SBOC

            I’ve ascribed nothing. I’ve heard it over and over again in comments made by church going people when some tragedy occurs whether it be a church member succumbing to some awful death at a young age or a woman losing her baby. I only wanted to know why someone would say as I have heard it said many times over “It was God’s will.” By saying those words it would seem that people use it to bring comfort to a person who is hurting but yet the words by itself imply that God had a hand in it so why say them? And yes I do know the difference between murder and dying.

          • gjsmith_62

            “And yes I do know the difference between murder and dying.”

            If you do, why ask the straw man/leading question, “what does that make God?”? Seems you’re attempting to create a moral equivalence between murder and dying.

            As for people attempting to comfort others, take it up with them. Seems yours is the only quote on the page making that statement.

          • SBOC

            Point taken.

          • SBOC

            Your points delve into another topic for another day. You ask 10 people when life truly begins, and you will get 10 different answers. You ask 10 women who have had abortions whether they practice a religion and 5-7 will say “yes.” I only try to ask thought provoking questions that I think of to get into what another person thinks or feels and if that person wishes to pick my brain, so be it.

          • gjsmith_62

            “You ask 10 people when life truly begins, and you will get 10 different answers”

            I doubt it, there would be variations on conception, heart beat or brain activity. But, let’s try the reverse. When are you dead, is it a heart beat, brain activity or when a doctor says so?

            Which would “science” say?

          • SBOC

            I think you could be given just as many variations on that question as with the first. A heart beat can go dead but may be brought back to pumping, you can be brain dead but still kept “alive” through machines, and whether a doctor says you are dead or not could depend on the doctor and his or her motives. I’m not a doctor so I won’t profess to know what the medical community regards as being dead and for how long a given function ceases to fail without resuscitation before one is fully “dead”. You also left out oxygen which technically we all need to survive, I believe. So can you be alive if you can’t get oxygen unless it is through another person or a machine?

          • gjsmith_62

            ” So can you be alive if you can’t get oxygen unless it is through another person or a machine?”

            Of course you can, same as your “brought back to pumping”.

          • SBOC

            I’m not seeing how that is quite possible. “Brought back to pumping” is assuming that someone or something is “willing or able” to give you that and even then (in the case of a heart) resuscitation is not ever a guaranteed thing. Some things can be brought back. Some cannot. Our bodies have organs that will eventually fail. Oxygen may be in strong supply now to “grown humans” and other organisms but even that isn’t a guaranteed thing.

          • gjsmith_62

            Who is talking about guarantees? Defibrillation, cardiovert or resuscitation each have possibilities of allowing life to continue.

          • SBOC

            So as long as there is always a possibility then that is good enough for you?! I can respect that.

  • Peter Paul

    A child is a child inside and out… I just signed a board at my church for the Pro Life rally they are going to saying Pro Life and my name… If you pro choicers have an issue than you will prbly bite off more than you can chew yanking my chain… We need a better alternative for women who can’t have these babies everything from improvement in adoption to private non-profits helping and building a better foundation from the ground up.. Debate me if you’d like just set it up where it stays here because on here is bark and if you yank my chain I will go silent and bite.. Its when I stop talking in your aggressive diatribes or possible verbal attacks that will get you a stop into your community.. No threat just don’t threaten me for my choice to be pro-life

    • Peter Paul

      So I’m not going to sit and wait but I will check on whoever starts nonsense because you seem to have no problem picking a fight with Bristol Palin but when someone else who you clearly tell isn’t just talking to talk comes on the aggresiveness towards this woman stops… So please carry on

      • Peter Paul

        The irony of pro-choicers “protecting” women’s rights than going out on a witch hunt for women who use their right to voice an opinion…

        • Peter Paul

          Also last little tid bit and I’m not flaunting myself in any way, but if you think to yank my chain on a dummy account set it up well because I will find a decent “computer user” there should be no reason for some of the amount of hate and threatened use of violence I’ve seen on this blog against a palin… I’m catholic/italian and from lauderdale I’m trying to live a moral conservative life but connections to other ppl never die in the goombah way of life and the sopranos is a stereotype .. So again carefully choose your words coming for me and again state you want it only to be an articulate well rounded computer internet debate

          • Fghf

            Okay, this the same guy that wanted Bristol to courier Tripp to him to send him a good school ( and asks for money for that) and she could visit???? Oh boy.

          • Peter Paul

            Yep yep its sarcasm and nonsense joking… Idk maybe we got off on the wrong foot fghf I didn’t attack you in a general statement but I can see I accomplished my psychological goal in making your heart beat a little faster and now you will recognize me… Careful never know who was playing games to catch a fish

  • Alicia OConnell

    Your all idiots…..that was a life to that mother your opinion is not valid to her loss. Lost or taken it hurts someone. My heart goes out to her and thanks for sharing pictures of your beautiful Walter.

    • Fghf

      Alicia, I assume you are referring to the discussion about abortion. Truth is, Prolifers are using using these photos fir furthering their cause. That is how the abortion debate ensued.

      None of what anyone says about their position on abortion has anything to do with the grief this family feels. No one is suggesting their loss is not real, tragic, heartbreaking.

      • Tam0871

        Of COURSE those of us who are pro-baby marvel at these photos! How could we not? Your side has told us over and over that this little human life, this little person is nothing more than a clump of tissue. Yet, that’s a lie. A bold faced lie. And seeing something like this simply infuriates those on the left who devalue the life of the unborn. This mother took these photos, or released these photos, to showcase truth for the world. God bless her for doing so. It couldn’t have been easy.

        • Fghf

          Seriously Tami? You don’t think pro choicers know what a late term fetus looks like?

          • mel mariner

            Why would they? They don’t even know the difference between a fetus and a baby.

          • M_Baker

            I would like to hear your explanation on whats the difference between a fetus and a baby.

          • mel mariner

            Fetus

            Definition

            noun, plural: fetuses

            The yet-to-be born mammalian offspring following the embryonic stage, and is still going through further development prior to birth

            Supplement

            Following the embryonic stage, the developing young enters the fetal period, which is in the later stages of development prior to birth. The fetal period is when the offspring has taken a recognizable form as its own species. The fetus is also characterized to possess the major organs in contrast to an embryo. Tthe fetal organs though are not yet fully functional and are still undergoing further development.

            In humans, the embryo is called a fetus at the ninth week from the time of conception up to the moment of birth. After being born, the offspring is called an infant or a newborn.

            http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Fetus

          • M_Baker

            I see you had to look it up. Now go to my explanation and see how close it is to mine. I wrote that the fetus represented all stages of development, where the definition you found states it begins after the embryo stage, or at about 2 months after conception. According to your earlier comment, you stated a fetus is from conception to birth.

          • Emily

            This isn’t “late term”… This baby is a 2md trimester baby. Late term abortion is murder of a baby that could survive 100% out of the womb (given prenatal care of course)… This baby could not, still a life though, one that’s depending on someone else for a short time! Selfish, selfish people in this world.. Don’t want a baby? don’t have SEX! POINT BLANK!

          • Linda Riley

            Baby …You Mean BABY. Preborn BABY but still a BABY!

          • Doreen Mahoney

            No they don’t, that is the sad point. Children are not shown pictures of gestational development in school, only how to put on a condom and use birth control. No more do we warn kids that if you have sex you could get pregnant, and when you get pregnant this is what growing inside your body. We don’t even warn kids of the dangers of sexually transmitted diseases that could ruin their lives. I still vividly remember the public service announcement in the 80’s of a young girl with a newborn with the caption of HIV positive and the girl saying “It only took one time” (or something like that).

          • Fghf

            Seriously? We don’t even warn kids about STD’s?? And sorry, but pro choicers are aware of what a late term fetus looks like. They are also aware that at say 4 weeks it doesn’t look like that

          • gjsmith_62

            What are the odds you pro-abortionists sided with Wendy Davis and the idea that even viable children can be aborted?

            Or that Planned Parenthoodlums clinics be up to the same standards as tattoo parlors?

            Or the idea that thirteen yr/old girls can be taken across state lines without parental consent to obtain an abortion, but not be allowed to take an aspirin in school the next day?

          • Fghf

            I don’t know the odds gj but I bet you could find a good idea at guttmacher.com or looking at Gallup polls. Some pro choicers want no restrictions on abortion access whereas other do want restrictions ( such as when late term abortion should be allowed if at all, parental consent laws, etc).

            Here’s one for you: what are the odds that a prolifer is also against contraception?

          • gjsmith_62

            You don’t know whether or not you supported Davis? Maybe you should figure that out first, no?

            “Here’s one for you: what are the odds that a prolifer is also against contraception?”

            Care to name the LAW where that’s true? If you’re talking the “pill”, I’d have to say a lot less than pro-abortionists supporting abortion for thirteen yr/olds and the viable! Davis is against any restrictions.

          • Fghf

            Gj, you didn’t ask me where I stood on those things. You ask what are the odds that a pro choicer supported them. That is what I answered. And in my answer you should see that the response from pro choicers would be varied.

            Who said anything about an existing law against contraception? That’s not what I asked.

          • gjsmith_62

            So, you’re now saying you’re pro-life? Make up your “mind”.

            “Who said anything about an existing law against contraception? That’s not what I asked.”

            Well, guess what, if a law is not passed, you have access to contraception. Isn’t that obvious? “Or perhaps you don’t know better either.”

          • Fghf

            No I didn’t say I’m prolife. Where did that come from? And I didn’t ask whether we have access to contraception either.

            I’m beginning to think you either don’t bother reading the responses or you have comprehension difficulty. Or perhaps just being silly? Your responses make no sense gj

          • gjsmith_62

            So, you’re an illiterate “scientist”, got it.

            “You ask what are the odds that a pro choicer supported them.”

            Do you regularly argue points from the contrary position you believe? Then again, do you even know what you believe?

          • Fghf

            Where does the “illiterate” even come from gj? I’m not arguing anything. I answered your questions and pointed out that you keep misreading or miscomprehending. You continue to be ridiculous. I’m done with your nonsense.

          • gjsmith_62

            “I don’t know the odds gj but I bet you could find a good idea ” …

            At that point, you’ve attempted to divert instead of simply saying where you stand. Why?

            Oh, because you’re simply a ridiculous and silly person, with no sense whatsoever.

          • gjsmith_62

            “What are the odds you pro-abortionists sided”

            Did you miss the you ? Are you not pro-abortion?

            “Here’s one for you: what are the odds that a prolifer is also against contraception?”

            What’s it matter if a person is against contraception if it is available to you?

          • Tam0871

            Yes, really. I would like to think they don’t, quite honestly, because if they do and still choose to take the life of this little person…what does that say about them? Sadly, I know that they know exactly what that baby looks like, and they choose to take his life anyway. Unbelievably selfish and horrific.

  • AE

    I lost twins at 17 weeks… They didn’t look much different than this. .. I don’t see pro choice or pro life, I see a family- broken. Shame on each abs every one of you for using any moment you can to preach from your soapbox.

    • Fghf

      Read the post again AE. The writer if this blog used the photos and this family’s story to get in her soapbox. She’s not even the first either.

      • AE

        And I said shame on all of you.

        • Fghf

          Would you say shame on this family too?

        • mel mariner

          My twins are 29, one of which just let me be in the room while she had her third child. I first saw my twins when they were 11 and 11 1/2 weeks by ultrasound. They were not inanimate lumps. They were spinning and waving their little arms and legs.
          I AM NOT ASHAMED! For caring about other little innocent lives just because the people that should love them do not.

          I’m sorry for your loss. It is truly tragic but you have no business shaming those of us that know you lost precious children and not just some lump of fetal tissue. Your feet have fallen through your soap box.

  • LouAnne Shaw Dawson

    The supreme court ruled on a woman’s right to privacy not if it was a child or not. Any intelligent person can see that a child this young is a human being and should be given the opportunity to

  • BaracksaBaloonknot

    Bunch of evil pieces of shit in this world anymore.All a bunch of braindead idiots that just follow whatever they are told by media/government(same thing).The bottomline is you stupid ass Americans that don’t have enough brains or balls to stand up for yourself and say or do what “YOU” feel is right.Not what everyone else is doing.Or what the government says to do or say.(Media aswell).We are getting stripped of all our rights,freedoms,liberties or whatever you want to call them because your dumbfounded and confused over the medias perpetual BS talking points they all use to spin our attention away from where it truly should be.NSA violating us daily,Obama destroying our healthcare system and economy on purpose.”Yes on purpose”,because nobody is this damn stupid to create Obamacare and on the other hand really believe it would work.Think about this.This corrupt administration or should I say “regime” is always so eager to jump in another countries affairs to try and bring them the good old American democracy,by putting down these other countries leaders for attacking protesters “BUT” on the other hand.Right here in AmeriChina I mean America we have the same exact thing going on.If we protest and stand up to these corrupt scumbags in politics or Wall Street we get attacked by police and arrested.So where is our democracy?Where are our rights?Barry Soetoro is busy stripping them away at a record pace.We are running out of time people.We need to arrest Obama,Bush,Cheney,Kerry,Hillary,Harry Reid and the rest of the scum that is destroying our blessed country.Please Wake Up AMERICA!!!!!!!

    • Fghf

      Wow. Just wow.

  • angelsonearthx7

    Dammit people I’ve been in this lady’s position seven times. Frankly I’m pro female (no soapbox) here. I just want you all to note the author is Bristol Palin enough said. And anybody who wants to judge a person for choices they have to make should look in a mirror. Like someone below said; don’t use a family’s tragedy to spout a belief.

  • Doreen Mahoney

    I am completely amazed how the same people who want me to the the Theory of Evolution based on conjucture and speculation, as there is no verifiable evidence only circumstancial at best BUT refuse to believe in the gestational development of a fetus from egg to fully formed human baby. The human baby starts from a single cell and grows into a distinct complex independent intelligent being and only takes 9 months, happens on a daily basis BUT that is not sufficient proof HOWEVER I am supposed to accept that man started from a single cell organism that evolved into the being it is today despite the fact no one witnessed the events and there is not fossil evidence to verify the development.

    • Fghf

      Doreen what are you talking about? Refusing to believe in gestational development? No one disputes gestational development. As for Evolution, just stop. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • gjsmith_62

        Guess you believe life came from nothing.

        • Fghf

          Nothing? There was something before life began. Are you suggesting there is ” nothing” on planets where there is ( or possibly is) no life?

          • gjsmith_62

            If a single cell were found on Mars, science would declare life found on Mars. Life begets life. Life from inanimate nothing, is a belief that truly takes a leap of faith.

            Or wait, do you believe in Aliens from Mars? LOL

          • Fghf

            Gj, I’m not about to attempt to explain to you what we know and don’t know yet about evolution. Continue with your silliness if you wish but that’s all it is.

    • Sharon Kutz

      Evolution is an unprovable theory. It is unscientific and can’t be created in a lab. A certain result is wanted, so they build the hypothesis backwards. Evolution is mathematically impossible.

      I don’t think people refuse to believe in the gestational development, rather they won’t admit to being guilty of murdering innocent pre-born humans.

      • Fghf

        Sharon it is obvious from your comment that you have no understanding of science.

        • gjsmith_62

          Really? Science is about testing provable theories. Have you created life in your basement? Has a single scientist?

          • Fghf

            Don’t be silly gj. Or perhaps you don’t know better either.

          • gjsmith_62

            Well, when you’ve got no argument, it’s obvious you rely on ad hominem.

          • Fghf

            Now you are being especially silly

          • gjsmith_62

            Yep, no argument. Need a definition of science? Would that help? Oh, dang, I am feeling generous to the “silly”.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science‎
            Science (from Latin scientia, meaning “knowledge”) is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations

          • Fghf

            Gj, just stop. You’re talking to a scientist. You are being ridiculous and I don’t even think you know it.

          • gjsmith_62

            A “scientist” who doesn’t know the definition of science? LOL, you’re funny. Oh, and I’ve got a PhD from Harvard, Yale and Dartmouth in the same “science” as you.

            Oh, wait, I know, you know Marty McFly and borrowed his time machine, right? Have you created life from an inanimate object? Has anyone? See, science is about “testable explanations”. Stop being silly.

          • Fghf

            Okay, now you are being ridiculous. Stop gj. You aren’t doing yourself any favors

          • gjsmith_62

            You’ve got no argument, therefore, rely on “ridiculous and silly”. Wow, quite lame.

            Do yourself a favor and at least attempt to make a coherent argument. After all, aren’t you’re a “scientist”? Don’t facts matter at all to “scientists”?

            Why not provide your definition of “science”?

          • Fghf

            Gj, it’s not just that you don’t have an understanding of evolutionary science ( or science in general for that matter ) it’s also that you have no idea of your lack of understanding. Seriously. I’m not even going to bother with you. I suggest you do some reading if you are interested. Take some courses even. Or not.

          • gjsmith_62

            LOL, no argument except ad hominem and now full retreat from a simple explanation of science.

            Wait, you’re one of those “scientists” who believe in both punctuated equilibrium and phyletic gradualism, right?

            In the real world, that’s called cognitive dissonance, silly.

          • Cathal Ó Broin
          • gjsmith_62

            “Institute inserted artificial genetic material — chemically printed, synthesized and assembled — into cells that were then able to grow naturally.”

            Fail much? That’s not life from the inanimate. Or, did you miss the part about “into cells”?

            Start with the primordial goup and create the “cell”.

          • Cathal Ó Broin

            You seem to be a very angry person (one who complains about ad hominem while making emotional attacks). A cell without DNA can not function or replicate. Scientists synthesised the genetic material and inserted it into a cell that then functioned. I’m not sure what your definition of life is.

            The second link is to the Lenski experiment which demonstrates evolution and the acquiring of new abilities in a lab context.

            You are free to entertain whatever ideas you wish about these experiments, but I won’t be responding further here.

          • gjsmith_62

            You’ve reverse engineered life. The Soviets excelled at this form of “science” as well.

            io9.com/incredible-soviet-rip-offs-of-western-technologies-973280252‎

            Sorry you’re so angry too, but projecting your insecurities doesn’t make it less so.

            What did you perceive as being “angry”?

          • gjsmith_62

            BTW, “angry” … Try mocking those who believe science can be twisted to conform with their worldview.

            Oh, how perfect you believe in AGW as well. What’s the optimal temperature of the earth?

          • cant_believe_it

            You don’t need to be a scientist to create life in a basement…

          • gjsmith_62

            From inanimate objects?

          • cant_believe_it

            Doesn’t matter how animated you are, the life will come about anyway…. :-)

          • gjsmith_62

            Try to keep up, the point is, no scientist has created life from the inanimate, except Frankenstein.

          • Linda Prince Johnson

            So perfect……thanks.

          • gjsmith_62

            DOH! What’s funnier, the dope who doesn’t know which post to respond to or the dope who believes reproduction is creation.

          • cant_believe_it

            You can use both words interchangeably, sourpuss!
            And your main “argument” is wrong too, btw….

          • gjsmith_62

            Prove it. Already destroyed Cathal, let’s see how you do.

            Too funny as well, that the same types who can’t define “is”, “period” or “marriage” fail miserably at “create”.

          • cant_believe_it

            Done, patting yourself on the back? Just because you voiced a different opinion, doesn’t mean you “destroyed” Cathal…. And I am not in the slightest little bit interested in your pointless discussion!

            Sorry, baby, you can’t spell “procreation” without “creation”, so when two people make a baby in a basement, they most definitely create life, they bring a new person into existence, something nobody else can do in the same way…
            (if you were only half as good at defining things as you claim, you would have easily figured that out by yourself)

          • gjsmith_62

            Not interested, yet blathering on.

            “so when two people make a baby in a basement, they most definitely create life”

            Words are definitely not your forte. That English allows such sloppy ambiguity doesn’t help your “point”.

            Make/create in the context above was clearly not the intention, but don’t worry, your pointless “joke” was just as lame.

          • cant_believe_it

            Whatever you say, great master of words and definitions…
            Have fun in your own little world, where only you know the true meaning of things…

          • gjsmith_62

            Go make a baby with yourself.

            ( isn’t that joke funny too? )

          • cant_believe_it

            That would be a simple “reproduction” (as opposed to a “creation”). :-)

          • gjsmith_62

            Wow, you’re really not too quick on the uptake.

            Go “make a baby” yourself. Try the vernacular.

          • cant_believe_it

            :-)

          • gjsmith_62

            Why admit a lie, that’s what democrats do. The “joke” was just snark.

            Yep, I was never a teenager.

          • gjsmith_62

            Nope, never in any girl’s basement, still a teenager.

            Why not provide proof of scientists creating life from the primordial goup?

          • gjsmith_62

            Explain it, genius.

          • gjsmith_62

            LOL, you can’t … face it, you couldn’t punch your way out of a paper bag.

            You actually believe random chance provided your intellect, oops, maybe you’ve got a point.

          • gjsmith_62

            Good luck? Yep, the explanation for evolution in a nutshell.

          • gjsmith_62

            You are so funny, you can’t even defend your “belief”?

            HAHHAHA

          • gjsmith_62

            LOL, science you can’t or won’t explain. Science should be able to narrow down the “choices”, no?

            Is it phyletic gradualism or punctuated equilibrium?

          • gjsmith_62

            Sdrt, you have so much to learn. You have no idea.

            So easy, a caveman can do it!

          • gjsmith_62

            So, unable to put forth an argument, you use the democrat playbook and resort to ad hominem. Unsurprising and quite typical. Omniscient as well, given that you somehow believe you know my age and schooling.

            Won’t even answer simple question. Then again, perhaps your uncle is a monkey.

            Is it phyletic gradualism or punctuated equilibrium?

          • gjsmith_62

            You made no argument and simply questioned my intellect. Ad hominem.

            Granted, you’re unable to articulate a coherent response given your lack of education and understanding.
            Funny to, quote my “strong religious beliefs”. Now you’re simply lying.

          • gjsmith_62

            LOL, I understand you are inarticulate, but you should at least try, but given your lack of knowledge and understanding of the subject matter, it’s not surprising.

            So, what are my “religious beliefs”? Please quote me or be considered a liar.

          • gjsmith_62

            It is obvious you are a liar. You lack the intellect to do the research, so just a single example should suffice.

            Michael J. Behe, is an atheist who disputes the science behind evolution.

          • gjsmith_62

            Regrets, Michael Denton was the name I was thinking of.

          • gjsmith_62

            Dispute it with Denton. Dubious? LOL, that’s the idea that Frankenstein’s able to animate the dead.

          • gjsmith_62

            “hear that he is not from Michael Behe” What? Try to be coherent, eh?

            Denton claims to be an atheist, you calling him a liar too?

            What is comical, you believe you’re omniscient and the “science” is settled, meanwhile, Frankenstein has not animated the inanimate.

          • gjsmith_62

            Wow, what a cogent argument. Who could possibly argue with such (cough) wisdum (sic)

          • gjsmith_62

            Do explain, oh omniscient one.

          • Linda Prince Johnson

            I haven’t noticed you destroying anyone.

          • gjsmith_62

            Took you three months to come up with a reply?

            “Try to keep up, the point is, no scientist has created life from the inanimate, except Frankenstein”

            Guessing you dispute that?

        • Sharon Kutz

          Ha, but I know the One Who created science. And the One Who created all matter and every living thing. I hope you get to know Him, too.

    • Cae

      The real concern I have is that people discount that God used the mechanism of primordial soup to set evolution in motion. Eve was created from tissue taken from Adam. Tissue comprised of cells and allegorically supporting cellular evolution.

      • Fghf

        Why is it a concern to you that people don’t share your religious belief Cae? Why would you expect everyone to?

        • Cae

          No. My concern is FOR OTHERS of faith who are threatened by science which does not disprove the existence of God. IMHO. I do not know why they become so overwrought. I think they are damaging themselves. I have heard some deny how and when diamonds were made because the think the world is only 2k-6k years old depending on their denominational beliefs. I could give a hang what evangelical atheists think of them.

          • Fghf

            Oh, I see Cae. Sorry I misinterpreted what you wrote. I totally agree. I actually share your concern.

            Btw, I am agnostic. Not a fan of evangelical atheists, or evangelical Christians for that matter, either

          • keyesforpres

            Why would you have problems with Christians? They don’t want to kill you. Muslims do.

          • Fghf

            Muslims want to kill me? Hmmm…. I better tell my Muslim friends that I’m onto them. Too funny!

            I didn’t say I have a problem with Christians. I said I’m
            not a fan of evangelical Christians. I object to their need to convert everyone to their faith. That’s all.

          • Linda Prince Johnson

            It’s not NEED. We are commanded by God to “Go into all the world and preach the gospel.” So don’t take it so personally.

          • cant_believe_it

            Evangelicals want to make idiots out of our kids by teaching their creationist garbage in our public schools!
            THAT’s the problem, not the followers of Islam!

    • Darwinite

      Well, The fact that we have found fossils showing where we evolved from monkeys isn’t enough to convince you. Maybe you hadn’t heard yet that we cracked the human genome and somebody can literally take your DNA and tell you how many years ago you had a monkey for an ancestor. Where do you live under a rock?

      • ManaMoffa

        No fossil of the link have been found. It’s all speculation still. based on extinct animals

        Genetics and DNA was not discovered by Darwin
        Genetics was discovered by Christians , DNA was discovered by a devout Christian
        Darwin only accept and repeats what we already knew in the first half of his book. The only thing he added was the claim that all life came from the same ancestor., which is not more probably than life starting separately and following the same DNA pattern by necessity
        In order for the primordial soup theory of life to even be feasible, life would have to have to start , fail , restart-fail, billions of times over. until the right sequence of DNA was by chance alone cobbled together.
        It’s not even reasonable that all life comes from the same ancestor. Its far more probable that DNA must follow certain pattern for it to allow reproducing life, and THAT is why our DNA is nearly the same . It has to be otherwise life does not work. It does not mean “because it’s nearly the same ,all life must come from the same ancestor”

      • keyesforpres

        If we came from monkeys…..why are there still monkeys???

        • Fghf

          Seriously? You need to learn a bit about evolution. Think about all the different breeds of fog and how they evolved, albeit artificially.

          • Richard Smit

            Sarah Palin is a Creationist! and there is nothing wrong about that!! you evil Godless people need to stop with attacking Sarah Palins believes!! this Blog is only for Palin supporters!!

          • Fghf

            Really Richard? Who made this rule that this blog is only for Sarah Palin supporters? You? And yes, we are well aware that Sarah Palin is a Creationist. Or at least she pretends to be one because its good for business.

          • Richard Smit

            There is nothing Wrong with it that she is a Creationist!! evolution is not proven, and Palin haters dont belong on this blog because they are all evil people!

          • Fghf

            Palin ” haters” are evil? Well I suppose you are entitled to your own opinion. But sorry, you dont get to make the rules as to who ” belongs” here. And as fir Evolution, you are very uninformed Richard.

          • Richard Smit

            I am not uninformend!! Atheists are the ones who are uninformend! and Palin is never wrong!

          • Fghf

            Richard you clearly have some sort of mental challenge and I don’t want to be unkind so I should just leave it at that.

          • Richard Smit

            No, Sarah Palin haters like you are the ones that have mental challenge!

          • Fghf

            Oh wait…. Is this all an act Richard and you are really just making fun if Palin supporters? Well done if so!

          • Richard Smit

            No its not! i am Always defending bristol and Sarah Palin on here against their haters!

          • Fghf

            I honestly can’t tell if you are making fun of their fans or are a super fan yourself. So, good for you if it’s all a joke.

          • Karen Carr Moretine

            Richard… ummmm WHAT?? You are not very Christian being all judgmental and all. How come it’s okay when you get to hate on people but when someone else does it, it’s the end of the world. HIP O CRIT !!!

          • Richard Smit

            Palin haters are the only ones that hate on people!

          • Richard Smit

            Palin haters dont belong on her because they are only spreading hate toward Sarah Palin!

        • Drakh

          Uhh , this tired argument again ? We did not evolve from monkeys but we had indeed a common ancestor with them . Both humans and monkeys are primates , we come from the same point of origin . That doesn’t mean we evolved from monkeys , we share some traits but that is all .

  • sodakhic

    How many teachers would show this picture in their classrooms? If they did it would hurt the abortion industry tremendously.

    • Hope Jordan

      If a teacher showed this picture to my child I would have their job. It’s not their place.

      • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Idrive-Sucks/797217063693751?ref=bookmarks Bob509

        really??? but you let your children be brain washed by these progressive godless pagan teachers… do you have their jobs???? HYPOCRITE !

        • Hope Jordan

          I have one child, who is not in school. What progressive, godless, pagan teachers (none of which are bad things) are you talking about? And how am I a hypocrite?

          • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Idrive-Sucks/797217063693751?ref=bookmarks Bob509

            I think you just answered your question… thank you….

  • Hope Jordan

    Have you people ever heard of a fucking trigger warning?!

  • Kristy Patullo

    Heartbreakingly beautiful. God bless this baby boy.