Mantilla the Hon on Children’s Church Music

Guest blogger Mantilla Amontillado is the founder of Veritas Vestments. She holds a degree in Ecclesiastical Haberdashery from Salamanca University. She has done the pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostella three times on horseback and is engaged to the famous matador, Senor Augusto Torquemada.

Hey hon! I sorry I not been talking for so long, but my business, Veritas Vestments is going real fast like one of the bulls that is running through the streets of Pamplona. You are asking me about when I am getting married to Augusto. This is not so good right now. Augusto is having problems. Better not talk about this right now hon. Okay? So I am visiting my cousins in America when they take me to the school Mass for the little ones. I am amazed. The children are singing loud and clear and you know what they are singing hon? Chant music. I think it comes from this monastery in France called Tevye or Dizzy or something like this. So it is very beautiful and the words are in Latin and the children, they love this quiet beautiful music. Then the next week I am visiting some other friends and they take me to another Mass for their children and it is not so good. Up front of the church is a woman and a man who are wearing clothes that are too tight, and I have to tell you hon, it would be difficult to find clothes for those two that are NOT too tight. So they are playing guitars and singing folk songs with the children about Jesus shining and gathering together. But I am noticing hon, that none of the children are singing. It is only the old fat people who are singing. So I am thinking about this and you know something? Read More

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Go here for a post on banal hymns at Mass.  Here are more moanings and musings on bad church music. To be more positive, some time ago I wrote a four part series on what makes a good hymn.Here’s the first part. Here’s part two, here’s the third and here’s the fourth.

 

  • http://thewayoutthere1.blogspot.com/ Fr Levi

    The ‘Hon’ is spot on! Well done!

  • http://reluctantliberal.wordpress.com Reluctant Liberal

    I’m not even going to try to point out the racism here. I am going to try to point out that you attempt to discredit your liturgical opponents by calling them fat and old. A) There are lots of people who like contemporary music who are neither fat nor old (I don’t really like contemporary music, FYI). B) Old people and fat people still happen to be people. Weight and age are neither moral nor intellectual deficencies. Treating them as though they were is unfair, and contributes to the attitudes that cause the bullying of fat children and the dehumanization of elderly people. As a Catholic, as a proponent of unconditional human dignity, this is beneath you.

    • Fr. Dwight Longenecker

      Did you leave your sense of humor somewhere?

      • http://reluctantliberal.wordpress.com Reluctant Liberal

        I have a basic rule for forming a proper sense of humor: kick up. Making fun of people who are less fortunate than you is not a recipe for humor. You’re a Catholic. You should be shooting for sainthood. Do you think Christ would make the joke you made? Do you think He would think it was funny? Do you think the Blessed Virgin would look on in pride? Your beliefs are better than this. Stop deflecting the conversation to me, and consider for a minute if your own beliefs, and if your joke is actually consistent with them.

        • Fr. Dwight Longenecker

          Lighten up pal. I’m fat and old…and what do you have against fat, old people? You’re the one who’s saying they’re ‘less fortunate’ than other people. Are you saying skinny young people are better than us?

          • http://reluctantliberal.wordpress.com Reluctant Liberal

            You’re deflecting again. Fat people are less fortunate because they are bullied, used as an insult (see your post), denied healthcare, and generally looked down upon. Old people are less fortunate because they’re discriminated against in employment and regularly discarded and disregarded in nursing homes. Skinny, young people are not better, but they do get treated better, and your post is a perfect example of that.

            And your being fat and old is completely irrelevant. Do you think it’s okay for black people to be racist against other black people?

            When scientists were trying to figure out bullying, they conducted an experiment that found that people were much more likely to administer 1 volt shocks to 1000 people than 1000 volts to one person. Even when they were told there was 1000 other test subjects. Even though they were causing the same amount of harm. Apparently, since each individual instance of violence was so small, the subjects were much more able to rationalize their contribution to the torture of another person.

            I don’t think it’s okay to belittle and degrade people for things that aren’t in their control just because you’re only being a little degrading and insulting. So either you think you’re not being degrading and insulting (at which point I’m curious what the point of this post was), or you do think it is consistent with Catholic principles to “lighten up” and degrade and insult people from time to time.

            Am I missing something?

          • Fr. Dwight Longenecker

            The only thing you’re missing is a sense of humor.

          • http://reluctantliberal.wordpress.com Reluctant Liberal

            (Rolls eyes) That and an actual response from you.

            I’m sure you’ve got better things to do than insult my sense of humor. Unless the guy below responds, I’m done with this post. See you next time I think I can get a productive conversation going.

          • Fr. Dwight Longenecker

            The fact that you think your sense of humor can be insulted is hilarious in itself

      • http://otritt.wordpress.com/ The Egyptian

        Father, Father, Father, Liberals DON”T HAVE a sense of humor, they live in terminal outrage, laughter would destroy them,

        So I laugh at them and their outrage, it’s fun watching their heads explode

        • http://reluctantliberal.wordpress.com Reluctant Liberal

          Well,

          Since YOU have such a great sense of humor, I’m sure YOU found it hilarious when school children came to school for Halloween dressed as pregnant nuns and the priest who impregnated them. And when they won the best costume award, you were in no way outraged. Me, I found that insulting, because I apparently live in terminal outrage.

          Or do you, too, think that insulting things stop being insulting as long as they’re small?

          • Fr. Dwight Longenecker

            Do you ever find your terminal outrage amusing?

          • http://otritt.wordpress.com/ The Egyptian

            were they fat :>)
            get over yourself

  • Mary

    It probably says something about me that what I am now thinking about is what is going on with Augusto, and I really hope they work it out.

  • FW Ken

    Well, I’m fat and I’m old, so get over yourself, RL.

    Actually, I like some contemporary music, classic hymns from the Anglican and Lutherans traditions (largely) and some of the classic Catholic hymnody. It’s interesting, because as our parish moved from the contemporary stuff to the classic stuff, I’ve noticed that people don’t sing the classic stuff all that well, but they didn’t sing the contemporary stuff either.

    • Fr. Dwight Longenecker

      I’m fat and old too, and I wrote the darned post!

  • Will

    There is good contemporary music that is appropriate for the Mass.

  • Kristine Franklin

    I am old, not too fat, and I HATE TAMBOURINES. NO MORE TAMBOURINES. PLEASE, PLEASE. At our weekly Mass Specially for the Kiddies there are many middle-aged women ( this means old like me, Hon, like your grandma) and they are up there groovin’ and shakin’ and TAMBOURININ’ and all those kids are falling asleep from all that hipness. Want to wake up and shake up the kids? Give ‘em Tunes Worth Talkin’ About. That’s what I’m talkin’ about.

  • FW Ken

    What I’m really looking forward to is when the proper Introit, Offertory, and Communio, chanted, are restored, either along with the hymns in those spots or parish did that for a couple of years) or in place of them. I like hymns, but a simple entrance and exit (maybe with the Prayer to St. Michael and/or the Last Gospel) would be nice.

  • Ted Seeber

    About 12 years ago, I was leading a faith sharing group that I purposely included families with children in. One time, the parent assigned to watch the children while the adults talked, taught them to sing “Oh the B-i-b-l-e, that’s the book for me, I stand ALONE on the book of God, the B-i-b-l-e”.

    I remember being taught that song in my rather liberal parish in the 1970s.

    Now I wonder- how much of the Spirit of Vatican II came from teaching our children Solo Scriptura Protestantism?!?!?!?

    • Fr. Dwight Longenecker

      Indeed. I have used this as an argument with Protestants. They: You worship Mary instead of Jesus. Me: You worship the Bible instead of Jesus, you sing, “I stand alone on the word of God.” What you stand on the Bible instead of Jesus? Surely he is the rock on which we build??” They: But the Bible leads us to Jesus Without the bible we wouldn’t know Jesus!” Me: Same thing as Mary then.

      • http://www.thecatholicbeat.com Gail Finke

        I like that response. They do seem to practically worship the Bible, in some cases anyway. It can be almost idolatry. On the one hand they are all for “going to directly to Jesus without an intermediary” and “spontaneous prayer,” but then they turn around and treat the Bible as if it is the only way to know God, some types of Protestants even claiming that you must read the Bible yourself or you cant’ be a Christian. I don’t get it.

  • mike cliffson

    Muy señorita mia:
    Si Vd bien sabe que ¡ no tenia que salir de la iglesia en España para topar con la musica idonea y no tanto de que nos informa!
    Igual que Mary , encuentro motivo de procupacion que su noviazgo con Agosto pasa por momentos dificiles . Es intrometerme en su vida de Vd y de los dos, mas, salvo que su confesor le le diga otra cosa, un noviazgo tan alargado com el de Vds no es sano para los cristianos. ¿Es el hombre que el señorle ha escojido ? Pues a casarse ya, Dios provera, y espero que les bendiga con ana prole numerosa en breve. ¿ No lo es? Pues a cortar ya, sin sentimentalismos. Cinfesores tienes para discernirlo.
    Le despide un lector que quiere lo mejor par Vd


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