Is Biblical Gender Roles a Big Hoax?

Is Biblical Gender Roles a Big Hoax? October 30, 2015
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We quote Biblical Gender Roles here at NLQ at least once a week because of his over the top assertions about the Bible and how wives owe their husbands sex upon demand. Now comes allegations that he’s not real, that it’s one gigantic hoax perpetrated on the world by one Matt Perkins, biblical studies scholar and non-Christian.  Apparently Matt Perkins is also a fake name, like the fake name of Larry Solomon that BGR’s goes by. So says Unsettled Christianity in  a post titled a word of caution on Biblical Gender Roles.

Have to admit the possibility of BGR being a random troll trying to stir up people’s emotions has been something I’ve considered. At least when he first appeared because the things he said were just so strangely beyond even the insanity of people like Michael Pearl or John Piper and pals. But as he’s defended what he’s said, continued posting and been consistent in his assertions many of us have accepted that BGR was unfortunately a real guy posting his genuine beliefs.

UC doesn’t have any real evidence that would hold up in court that BGR is this Matt Perkins who is also someone else. It’s all rumors on the back channel and his reposting of BGR’s blog posts, which many of us have reposted. That doesn’t mean anyone reposting BGR’s blog posts is him. I know I’m not.

But it would be all sorts of hysterically funny and almost cruel if this is true, because it exposes the hateful honey badgers posting on BGR’s comments and others that hold even more irrational views. It would be some masterful Olympic gold medal level trolling if it turns out BGR is a farce.

What are your thoughts on this?

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  • CrazyDogLady

    I have been wondering if he is “for real” ever since I started seeing these cross-posts. There’s too much “shock value” in the way he presents his views. I still don’t know.

  • Maura Hart

    somehow that makes it even worse because some [lots!][men!] will believe it and do it. women and children will suffer.

  • The sad thing is, if he’s a made up satire, he says things plainly that prominent others have hinted at.

  • RetroPam

    What’s interesting is that I have often observed that these CPM folks take a little of the comparatively harsh realities of 1940s and 1950s family life, mix it with a dramatized movie/TV archetype of same, and proceed to exaggerate its worst attributes to the point that it almost looks like a parody even if it isn’t meant to be.

    Michael and Debi Pearl, and Bill Gothard, exaggerate it to sadistic, ritualized (and surely secretly sexual) excess, but I have no doubt that they aren’t faking it.

    If BGR is a fake, it is a consistently put-together one.

  • Problem is, so many of us have become familiar with these attitudes and ideas; we’re ,sadly, not shocked when someone takes them to their logical conclusion. It’s something I’ve feared for a number of years now.

  • guest

    I agree. If it’s a hoax, it’s one very irresponsible one.

  • Poe’s Law was first derived by observing how difficult to tell real from troll arguments in creationist discussions, but was found to operate across other kinds of extremist views. (I for one think it’s true of soap opera plots, too. There is no way to parody a soap opera plot in such a way that it can be told from one that actually exists, without going back and searching years of videos and scripts. But I digress.)

  • Nightshade

    I’ve thought more than once that he may be perpetrating a huge joke-a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad joke, but not to be taken seriously, or maybe he’s testing the fundie acceptance of anything that can be labeled ‘biblical.’ Honestly that’s the best possible scenario I can envision here, that some day he’s going to stand up and say ‘Gotcha!’ to his followers. It would be extremely irresponsible, given that some people will still believe it, but would lack that malice towards un-submissive women that is so much a part of his belief system.

    I can only imagine how my ex would have responded to the advice this guy gives. He was/is one of what I think of as the male victims of patriarchy, a basically good man who genuinely wants to do what is right, but is being pushed into a ‘leadership’ position for which he truly isn’t qualified and shouldn’t have forced on him. An attempt to implement Mr. BGR’s advice certainly wouldn’t have helped!

  • GHN

    If it is a hoax, it’s a very unfunny one. Sort of like this Onion article on an “anti-abortion pill.

  • Catherine

    I had kind of hoped it was fake and that no one would actually be that vile.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    If El Gran Pendejo is just trying to put one over on readers, well, I fail to see the humor. (And if he unveils and tells his critics, “Lighten up, can’t you take a joke?” I will probably raise my middle fingers in reply.)

    If he’s not attempting a major mindfuck, he’s a cabrón for the ages.

  • Bellanova

    Now with the mainstream media exposure (Daily Mail, Raw Story, Huffington Post, and more) everyone keeps wondering the same, while “Larry” is milking that particular cow for more than it’s worth (but censoring comments on his blog as always).

    It is possible this is a hoax. For one, he exhibits the kind of teflon-like stupidity that comes from a willful determination to ignore reality on purpose (the purpose being tricking people into believing that he is the real McCoy).

    Second(ly), he is curiously vague on details of his own life. He says, for example, that he’s had “some” children with his first wife. Which makes inquiring minds wonder: How many is some? Is there a basic arithmetic disability that makes it impossible for him to know the exact number? Or is he lying? No man (that I know) would use the qualifier “some” to talk about the number of his children. (No normal and honest man, that is. An autist / narcissist withdrawn from reality may; but also a lying manipulator.)

    It is possible he is for real, though. For one, he exhibits the kind of teflon-like stupidity that comes from a willful determination to ignore reality on purpose. Second(ly), we know all too well that he is far from being alone, sadly, in his sick beliefs.

    Regardless of his authenticity, his FB page has been taken down — either by him, or by FB which was inundated by requests to do so. A tiny bit of sunshine in this dark affair.

  • Bellanova

    Thanks for the link. I think it is brilliant.

  • Allison the Great

    An autist wouldn’t lie about the number of children he/she has.

  • Allison the Great

    It would be an unfunny joke. Conversely, with the exposure he’s gotten, he’s showing the world how fucked up and wrong the views of those who subscribe to the nonsense that is biblical patriarchy. This joke is a bad one, but people who have never been exposed to such beliefs are shocked by what he says. Regular people have reacted with disgust, so maybe he’s trying to show the world how utterly depraved biblical patriarchy really is.

    I see two sides of this.

  • Friend

    Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a hoax, and it has been inspiring homicidal levels of bigotry since 1903. So… hoax or otherwise, BGR is just evil.

  • Bellanova

    Right. He wouldn’t lie, but he may not realize that the word “some” is strangely inappropriate here. Either way, “Larry” has, um, issues.

  • Nea

    Not even hinted – said themselves. “Marriage is not an egalitarian pleasure party…”

  • Royce Harlow

    If it is a hoax than it is trolling–>level expert.
    A sort of relief that it is all a big satire, but at the same time very unsettling as many might have at some point or another taken the material to heart and put it into action, with subsequent misery for all affected.

  • guest

    Who said that gem, Nea??

  • STH

    That’s the thing. It’s easy to believe he’s for real because he’s just being more direct about it. Fundamentalists tend to try to soften these things up with fancy language, and he doesn’t.

  • KarenH

    I’d much rather it be a hoax.

  • Nea

    One of the Dougs. I forget if it was Phillips or Wilson.

  • On the one hand… damn, man, that’s some master level trolling. On the other… not cool, man. You’re gonna get people KILLED with that shit.

    I don’t know whether he’s a troll or not. I would be relieved in some ways and horrified in others. I genuinely don’t know what to hope for.

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    Some parents might be reluctant to give a specific number to how many kids they have if they’re trying to stay anonymous on the web. (Puts on Devil’s Sort-Of-Advocate cap on) If writing an anonymous blog about gender roles specifically in the context of marriage, not specifying how many kids one has is less important to the subject. The question I’d ask is whether or not he’s actually married at all, I mean why not go big for the hoaxing gold star? Or if he is married, maybe the stuff he talks about on his blog is just fantasy, in the comment section he does say he’s one of the ‘many sexually frustrated husbands’ around the world. (takes off Devil’s-Sort-Of-Advocate cap).

  • GHN

    So it is, though there are those I have shared this with that find that the humor in the article strikes a bit too close to the bone.

  • Bellanova

    True re: intended anonymity.

    I focused on that particular word because it is grammatically — and more importantly, emotionally — wrong. If someone wants to retain secrecy when talking about the number of his children, he’d use “a few,” “several,” “a couple,” to indicate their number greater than one (whether it is true or not).

    But if he, like Larry, believes that his kids are his property, he may just use that word (“I have a bunch of old tires, some wives and children, and a gun collection at home.”).

    In any case, it is one minor indicator, purposefully employed or not, of the weirdness of this person, whoever he is.

    I would be more inclined to believe it is a hoax if I did not see so many blogs and comments, in that noxious swamp called “the manosphere,” that say the exact same thing, with or without religious rationalizations.

  • Assume that this assertion about BGR is true. I think that lead to at least two other factors concerning his identity. 1.) If he is this tenacious about the endeavor, that can’t speak highly of his character — particularly his ethics. IRL, some of the most vociferous “complementarians” are under 5′ 4″ tall, and their dice seem to be carried around in their mate’s handbag. I can’t help but wonder why one would devote so much time and effort to an ongoing thing were there not some strong element of true identification. 2.) You are what you eat and garbage in/garbage out. That being the case, if this person dwells that heavily on these things, even just as a matter of spoof, they won’t walk away unaffected. This stuff is poison in the mind, and I watched it infect my husband as he made a regular diet of Rushdoony — yet rejected gender roles and never saw the ones espoused by Rushdoony’s primary followers as Biblical.

    As “Friend” who comments below notes, it’s evil, and even as satire, it will do little else but foster more of it.

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    He could still consider the matter irrelevant to the primary subject of his blog – the eeeeeeeeevilness of feeeeeeemales that feminism has taught to deny him (and his fellow men) sex.

  • Bellanova

    Re: dice in his mate’s handbag

    He says somewhere on his blog that “God” blessed him and his wife with an accident that disabled her and made her entirely dependent on him (shudder).

    I believe he is for real, and as evil, if not more so, as he appears.

  • Poster Girl

    Yup, I have a friend who still calls her daughters Edgar and Bob everywhere online, even friends-locked blog entries. I have another friend who never, ever uses her child’s name or image anywhere online.

  • Poster Girl

    My gut is that it’s not a hoax. Every over-the-top fundie I’ve thought was trolling has turned out to be frighteningly real: Momof9, Lydia of Purple, the Smiling Sisters stay-at-home-daughters duo (though they’ve wiped out their social media presence), Donald Trump. The satire sites, like Betty Bowers or Christians for Michelle Bachmann, don’t confine their over-the-top posts to merely offensive, but include refutations of empirical facts, things like the Bible calling a whale a fish or that insects have four legs.

  • buddyglass23

    Does the site host ads? If so it may not be a joke so much as a money-making scheme. Clearly lots of angry people are going to the site and reading the stuff there. That’s lots of ad views.

  • Astrin Ymris

    It depends on their audience– they soften their message considerably when they’re speaking to a mainstream audience, but if they’re talking in-house, they take the gloves off.