Bonus Quoting Quiverfull: The Real War on Christmas?

Bonus Quoting Quiverfull: The Real War on Christmas? December 20, 2016

quotingquiverfullby John Piper of Desiring God – Santa Claus: Harmless Fun or Tragic Distraction?

Editor’s note: Found this on Derick Dillard’s social media. Interesting that since Ben Seewald has been spouting more liberal views that Derick is suddenly now the Duggar’s fundamentalist mouthpiece. Keep in mind that this is from the same stupid mindset that believes that Starbucks having a plain red cup is somehow harming Christmas. Also, Pastor John, I can see and touch the roof on my home unlike Jesus. If you are seeing and touching Jesus the same way that you are your roof it may be time to talk to your doctor and a neurologist or psychiatrist! 

  • Santa Claus offers only earthly things, nothing lasting, nothing eternal. Jesus offers eternal joy with the world thrown in. Yeah, the fire engine is thrown in.
  • Santa Claus offers his ephemeral goodies only on the condition of good works. He knows when you are sleeping. He knows when you are awake. He knows when you have been bad or good, so be good for goodness’ sake. That is a pure works-religion. And Jesus offers himself all the gifts freely by grace through faith.
  • Santa Claus is make-believe. Jesus is more real than the roof on your house.
  • Santa Claus only shows up once a year. Jesus promises, “I am with you always”. You say to your kid every night: He is standing by your bed. He is with you when you get up in the morning. He is with you when you go to school today. If mommy and daddy die, he will be right there with you. Santa doesn’t hold a candle to this flame: Jesus.
  • Santa Claus cannot solve our worst problem, and Jesus did solve our worst problem — our sin and our alienation from God. Santa Claus can put some icing on the cake of the good life, but he cannot take a shattered life and rebuild it with hope forever. And our kids need to know that about Christmas.
  • Santa Claus is not relevant in many cultures of the world. And Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords and all the peoples of the world.

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Anonyme

    “Jesus is more real than the roof on your house.”

    I’ve been meaning to replace my fake roof. Maybe Jesus can help.

  • Saraquill

    I have a house? Technically I have a dollhouse, but I live in an apartment in a heathen city.

  • guest

    Sigh… As little as I like the commercial side of Christmas, I just wish pastors could accept that Santa Claus, The Three Kings, Nikolaus, Sinterklaas, Father Christmas and all other gift-givers are just part of the fun. If you want to see a change in your community, find out where you might be able to help during the season, be Jesus’ hands and feet instead of blasting against the harmless practice of telling kids there’s a fictional gift-giver that knows what they’ve been up to.
    ETA: C.S. Lewis had no problem with Father Christmas and gnomes, dryads, giants, witches that turned everyone into stone…

    After Berlin, I just can’t take this.

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    “…You say to your kid every night: He is standing by your bed…”

    Uh….no, that’s a bit creepy to say to a kid and then expect them to fall asleep.

  • Rachel

    I love how he uses Santa noy being relevant to all cultures as a gotcha. Jesus isn’t exactly culturally relevant worldwide either–lots of cultures conceive of death, sin, gods (and children of gods), etc. in a completely different way.

  • Once again with the binaries. Either Santa OR Jesus. Can’t have both. Sorry, but I disagree. And of course they are two different kinds of concepts! Why it should be a downer for Santa that he isn’t the Christ, is something that would never occur to Santa as a character in a set of beloved myths and stories.

  • Hannah

    Well I do actually believe that good works are important and will count towards where I end up in the spirit world and after the final judgment. (I think Catholics believe similar, if there are any Catholics around reading this, feel free to correct me.) This is something I feel I fail miserably every day, but that’s what the atonement is for.

    Anyway, we had Father Christmas at our ward Christmas party, so I don’t think it’s something Mormons get too hung up about. (I always say Father Christmas, because that’s what he was when I was growing up and I’m stubborn like that.) Father Christmas was traditionally the personification of Christmas, like Jack Frost is of the winter, but didn’t bring presents. The idea of Santa Claus who did bring presents kind of took over, but we still used Father Christmas until fairly recently, when more people use Santa Claus instead.

  • SAO

    Salvation by faith means you don’t have to do a damn bit of good for the world or mankind — no you can rant on spoiling children’s fun — and get your reward in heaven with the rest of the obnoxious CPM jerks.

  • Jewel

    Exactly what I was going to say!

    Being raised Catholic, and downright liberal compared to fundigelical teachings, my parents managed to impart spiritual beliefs to us without denying us the joy and fun of Santa Claus at Christmas time. What a concept!

  • Robin Warchol

    Did any tell John Piper that there was a real Saint Nicholas on which Santa Claus became based on? Of course looking at real Christian history and characters before John Calvin might be just too much for him. The real Saint Nicholas was a kind and generous man, loved children and secretly entered a poor man’s home to put dowery money in shoes for his three daughters. But again looking at anyone before 1500 is taboo in Piper’s world. So he ends up showing what an ignoramus that he is and on top of that joins the grinch, scrooge and other sour pusses over Christmas and misses the message of generosity that Santa Claus embodies.

  • Robin Warchol

    I’m Catholic so I’ll try to summarize quickly here. Catholic Church teaches we are saved by grace and that salvation is a free gift and not earned. I think what you are trying to grasp at is that our good works after salvation give us merit, they don’t save us as the common accusation but are a sign of our faith and salvation. The book of James explains it very well.

  • Trellia

    My own personal opinion is that good works are a way of giving thanks for God’s blessings and love for us, and to steward by helping to take care of each other and this world.

  • Friend

    Give me once-a-year Santa over this creepy Jesus by my bed, PLEASE: “Santa Claus only shows up once a year. Jesus promises, “I am with you always”. You say to your kid every night: He is standing by your bed. He is with you when you get up in the morning. He is with you when you go to school today. If mommy and daddy die, he will be right there with you. Santa doesn’t hold a candle to this flame: Jesus.”

  • Anonyme

    Wishing or being wished “Happy Holidays”, not allowing Nativity or other Christian-centered displays on government property, acknowledging the pagan origins of certain Christmas traditions, etc., do not threaten me as a Christian. Why? A), because I respect other beliefs and the separation of church and state. B) I’m secure enough in my faith to NOT feel threatened. I believe I’ll be judged for my good works and not for whether I threw a fit over Nativity scenes being “banned” from government property or a cashier telling me “Happy Holidays”.

  • Anonyme

    My (late) maternal grandmother never forgave my mom for converting to Catholicism, though she (grandma) was civil about it by the time I was born. I did get a Bible tract from my grandma a few years ago, though. Perhaps it was a last ditch effort to “save” at least one of her grandkids (I’m the youngest of 5). It was a typical fire and brimstone “if you don’t have faith and ONLY faith, you’ll go to hell” tract. I try not to judge other peoples’ beliefs, but this always bothered me, especially since the Bible says “faith without works is dead”.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Or you can molest teenagers like Bill Gothard, trusting in your faith to get you a ticket to Heaven anyway.

  • guest

    I completely agree with that.

  • guest

    Being able to discuss faith, look into the Scriptures together even if we don’t agree 100% is something that these people seem unable to do. There are many passages that support one belief or another, and I’m afraid that some people focus too much on one set of passages and are unable to see that other beliefs are also well founded and perhaps, even worthy of their attention.
    I don’t like labels. If people ask, I say I’m a Christian and I ask them the same question.

  • guest

    All kids in Germany learn about St. Nikolaus from Myra. You can even find out about him on the internet.

  • Nea

    I have ripped off and replaced my roof. Just sayin’.

  • KarenH

    For 22 years, the roof on my house was the 2nd floor unit’s …um … floor.

  • KarenH

    Dear Jesus: If you’re going to stand around in my room while I sleep, run the vacuum.

  • Robin Warchol

    thank-you. I think it even runs deeper than “works” and goes to the view at least the Catholic view that salvation is a life long process, not a one time event (once saved, always saved), a heresy that basically has infested most of evangelical Protestantism and stems from Calvinism.

  • guest

    That’s good food for thought….There’s definitely good Scriptural basis for that view.

  • Robin Warchol

    Yes, the real St. Nicholas is very big through-out eastern Europe and Russia. I know families from Albania that make a very big deal over him on his feast day of Dec. 6th. The actual saint Nicholas is very generous, kind, child loving man. I think if these sour puss fundie nuts ever bothered to look up the real person, they might have a better answer to the “santa claus” our American culture has turned him into. But that means they will have to step out of their narrow views and history and leave the comfort of their little world.

  • I come from a church that arose as an amalgamation of several traditions, so this approach is pretty much basic necessity for us to even exist.
    I like it very much. So I don’t mind that particular label at all; but I’m also aware that it’s (sadly) a pretty unique occurence.

  • As a Czech, I second that motion of better answer to Santa Claus.
    Mind you, having recently (incidentally, on the 6th of December exactly…) found out that over a hundred years ago, Mikuláš and his retinue were used to scare children into reciting their prayers by rote, I’m currently not exactly warm on that tradition, either.

    But then, I’m a Czech Protestant, so that’s a whole kettle of fish of its own.