Examining ATI Wisdom Booklets – Music

Examining ATI Wisdom Booklets – Music February 6, 2017

Found this on Facebook in a group discussing how much control Bill Gothard and his Institute of Basic Life Principles exerted over his followers. It’s a page from one of the Wisdom Booklets that NLQ blogger Mel has yet to cover – why all Christian music that is not an old hymn is a sin. I guess Gothard doesn’t realize that most of the hymns from the 1700 and 1800s were new lyrics coupled with the melodies of drinking songs and tunes played in the taverns of the time.

So it’s a sin to listen to syncopated rhythm but heavenly to sing a song that originated in the bar rooms?


What do you think about Gothard’s ideas of music and the effect of music on the spiritual side of your life?

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  • KarenOfRocks

    What can I say? I’m one of those horrible atheists he undoubtedly preaches about, and some of my good memories of my religious upbringing were the folk-song hymns we sung in church in the 1960s and 1970s. Gosh, some of them were even in a furrin’ language (Spanish)! But then, we were Catholic, and we sang about things like God’s love, loving our fellow humans, celebrating God’s gifts to us, and asking for heavenly support in doing God’s work. Positive, uplifting stuff that didn’t involve groveling, declaring we were the scum of the earth, and were dirty rags saved only by God’s infinite grace.

    So by Gothard’s measure, I did it ALL wrong, and my atheism is surely the result.

  • katiehippie

    “do your own thing”
    Isn’t that from the 60s? Gothard needs to get with it and make some new dank memes.

  • Astrin Ymris

    But Gothard’s primary reason for inventing his own cult is to fight the entire idea of “personal agency”. Everyone should be doing as he tells them!

  • pinkie

    What the bleep is the law of sympathetic vibration?

    Ok, suppose you have a violin in your hand. Someone else is playing an instrument in the room, and if they are playing in tune, your violin will also vibrate.

    Or take the Hardanger fiddle. https://www.google.com/search?q=hardanger+fiddle&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=vsin&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU2u7VnfzRAhWJf7wKHVxwBkQQ_AUICSgD&biw=1024&bih=672
    It’s a violin with four extra strings under the normal ones that vibrate sympathetically (it’s used in Lord of the Rings soundtrack for Rohan.)

    I’m confused.

  • Nightshade

    Made me think of simultaneous use of sex toys by two different people, but that’s just me.

  • Anonyme

    You beat me to the sex toy joke. 😛

  • Nightshade

    Good to know I’m not the only one!

  • B.A.

    LMFAO! Thanks for a much-needed laugh!

  • It’s sad because J.S. Bach wrote religious music. He even turned down a highly desirable job as the organist of a church, but it required that he marry the minister’s daughter whom he did not love. So he at least had some integrity in terms of selling out for personal gain.

    But one need look no further than Bach to find some of the most complicated syncopation in his compositions. Especially in the baroque period. But alas! Bach never wrote a treatise about how he was a born again Christian, so he was probably just an evil Catholic or something. What a pity that he didn’t live long enough to experience the holiness of the 20th Century Gospel Quartet. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4e0efcd574d84da6a8f0d82f9ef46ee337b0847f362c28f1d332c2083c869d5d.jpg

  • bekabot

    What the bleep is the law of sympathetic vibration?

    It’s occultism, pinkie.

    It’s amazing so many of these guys know so much about occultism, and it’s amazing how much occultistic jargon shows up in their pronouncements. Their attitude toward occultism is very strange. Their attitude isn’t that occultism is something they just aren’t part of, or that they aren’t tenderhearted towards, or that it’s something they’d just as soon stay away from (considering that the Bible speaks against it) — or even that it’s something they oppose. Their attitude toward occultism is that it’s something they’re competing with…the way the Chik-Fil-A is competing with the Carl’s Junior down the street. And their attitude is not that they’re providing true food for the Spirit while the competition is providing dreck, but that both franchises are are providing different kinds of dreck…but that they’re entitled to the other guys’ customers anyway, because that’s what God promised them. That seems to be the position they adopt.

  • bekabot

    FWIW, J. S. Bach was a very devout Protestant, and his music is one of the glories of Protestant culture. (Now, back to our regular programming.)

  • Friend

    “For now I see in a glass dankly…” –St. Paul

  • Yeah, but to a Baptist like Gothard, anyone they don’t like — particularly those who were pre-Darby — were simply just Catholic. You can’t trust those Lutherans either.

  • bekabot

    You’re right. Anybody with a history is out, even if it’s a short history. Too true.

  • Hannah

    Well I’m fucked then, (I was once called an ‘Amy Lee worshipping Goth’ which still makes me giggle, and as Ms Lee is someone I highly admire as both a seriously talented musician and as a person it’s slightly true.) My musical tastes run the gamut from pop punk to troo Norwegian black metal (TM.) I’m sure Mr Billy wouldn’t like me very much, my lovely bishop is fine with me being me.