Quoting Quiverfull: Churches Are For the Saved Only?

Quoting Quiverfull: Churches Are For the Saved Only? February 2, 2017

quotingquiverfullby Steven Anderson from Faithful Word Baptist Church – Church Should be Geared Towards the Saved

Editor’s note: Interesting, I thought the church was supposed to be a tent big enough for people all along the faith continuum? Not everyone is going to be at the exact same place in their journeys of faith. What type of church does not concern themselves with people that aren’t in the same place as they are? Seems to me to be a big red flag for a high demand group dynamic – bordering on cult think.

The church is intended to be a place of teaching, fellowship, and worship for born-again, baptized believers. Many churches have instead become geared toward unbelievers. Some pastors will preach the plan of salvation every Sunday morning rather than getting into the deeper truths that saved Christians need to learn in order to grow. The purpose of church is to perfect the saints and edify the body of Christ. As a pastor and teacher, I’m supposed to teach and build up people who are already saved.

Years ago, I had a guy write a complaint about me on a visitor card and then bolt away after the service. He wrote about how he couldn’t believe that I didn’t even give the plan of salvation during my sermon and questioned whether I was even saved. This guy literally thought I should be giving the Gospel in every service, but what about feeding the flock?

When I prepare a sermon, I’m not thinking about the unsaved visitors who might show up that day. I’m thinking about feeding the saved church members that make up most of the congregation. I’m thinking about the saints who come to church to be edified and perfected.

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Delilah Hart

    So, as an ostensibly “saved” person, what does Steven Anderson do to perfect HIMSELF? Or does he think he’s a finished product?

  • AFo

    Sooo my somewhat liberal Catholic upbringing might be showing here, but I was always taught that God was everyone’s father, and the Church was his house, and everyone was always welcome at his house because, like the father in the Prodigal Son story, God wants all of his children to come home and receive His love. I remember walking out of Mass one Sunday behind an older man. When he approached the priest, who always stands outside greeting parishoners, he broke down in tears and said “This was my first Mass in almost 50 years.” And the priest also started crying, hugged him, and said “The Holy Spirit brought you here. Welcome home.” Something tells me this has never happened at Anderson’s church.

  • Friend

    Combine this with the Pearls’ rant that Christians should NOT go to church, and you basically get the end of the patriarchy. If only.

  • bekabot

    CN: lengthiness again; please forgive

    This is a huge, condign, under-the-table admission, in which Anderson confesses that his church is not going to grow and that the megachurch scene, as it now exists, is on its way down and out. Translated out of the churchy dialect in which it’s cast, his statement might read something like this:

    “The big old megachurches…yes, they’re still big, and yes, they’re old, by now…
    they all depended on Baby Boomers for their inspiration and cash. Boomers were the leaders and Boomers were the members, and if, in some cases, the leadership came from men who belonged to the Korean War generation who had Boomers as disciples, that all sorted itself out with the passage of time. In cases like those the torch was passed on quite efficiently. The guys in the gray flannel cassocks died or retired, but they were followed by a generation who were just a eager and fervid as they were and at least as eager for things of the spirit — and, as it happened, a whole heck of a lot more numerous. In those days our movement was on the upswing, and we didn’t turn our noses up at converts because we knew we could get them.

    Well, those days are gone. There’s nothing like that now; there’s nobody waiting in the wings. We tried to bring up a Godly generation in accordance with our ideals, but we failed. Most of them are still Christians, but they’re not our kind of Christians. The megachurch Boomer preachers and leaders are starting to die off and their Korean War era mentors are dead.

    There’s nothing left for us now but to gather together in our sanctuaries and hug our righteousness to us…except to take over as much of the culture which surrounds us by force as we can, since we’ve given up the expectation of being able to do so by means of persuasion. We’re through trying to appeal to the outside world and we’re done trying to ‘engage in a dialogue’ with it like weaklings. Now is the time for us to purify and refine our doctrine, and to accept that we’ll always be few in number — perhaps increasingly so as the years go by. That means we’ll have to appropriate as much of the power of the secular State as possible, because there isn’t going to be any other way for us to protect ourselves, and we’ll have to take over as many State functions as we can, because that’s the only way we’ll be able to maintain our importance.

    Time and History have snubbed us…well, now it’s our turn to snub them back, so there.”

    Elmer Gantry, in the novel of the same name, squints at his fellow-preachers with
    a jaundiced eye when he and they meet at religious conventions and they start to jockey for “a wider field of usefulness,” because he knows what they mean when they utter those words is that they’re in the market for a bigger and richer parish than the one they’ve got (of course, he for his own part is after the same thing). There’s no surprise when a preacher says he’s trying to attain a wider field of usefulness: the surprise comes when a preacher says he’s not trying to attain a wider field of usefulness but instead favors the whole notion with a conk on the block and the bum’s-rush out-of-doors. It’s so surprising that when one sees or overhears such a thing, one must ask oneself what’s going on. I offer my own interpretation above, FWIW. I’m not sure that I’m right, but I am sure that Anderson’s attitude requires an explanation (because it’s very weird)…so here’s my attempt at providing one; accept or decline, as you wish.

  • Saraquill

    This sounds like a poorly made cover to explain why his church is so small.

  • Christine Sarah Pike

    This is very familiar to me as I grew up in a Strict Baptist household. As a kid the ‘ Doctrine of the Elect’ terrified me – that’s the particularly head wrecking, poisonous garbage that teaches that God has a secret number of people that he will ever save, known only to him, and when that number is reached it will bring about the End Times. How do you know if you are saved? By having enough faith to KNOW it – if you have to ask the question, you clearly aren’t saved. Simple! And the idea that church is only for believers feeds into that because if it God’s divine will to choose who will be saved and who won’t, there’s no point in preaching to unbelievers anyway.

  • Nadja

    I thought they were evangelist. And as such, they should share the gospel with everyone so they could be saved. Obviously, evangelism means something else to them

  • Friend

    “I would have won the popular vote if the unsaved hadn’t shown up illegally.”

  • Friend

    He only wants about 8 people in heaven, but they’re all insufferable.