Quoting Quiverfull: Men Have Stronger Sex Drives?

Quoting Quiverfull: Men Have Stronger Sex Drives? August 11, 2017

quotingquiverfullby Lori Alexander from The Transformed Wife – When Women Become Vile

Editor’s note: I believe this posting is a response to comments disagreeing with Lori on a post earlier in the week. It’s worth noting how ridiculously insecure Lori is that she has to pull out a pile of concordances and quote them (in the unquoted bits) to respond to a virtual stranger. And men having stronger sex drives is also rather silly. Men are not beasts who cannot control their responses to stimuli!

A woman’s natural use for her body is to have intercourse with her husband and from this have children and nurse them at her breast. This is the way God created women to use their bodies but as a result of sin, as carefully described in Romans 1, and from their rejection of God, God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature (Romans 1:26).

Women have a huge influence upon culture. If they can tear their own homes down with their hands, they can tear down cultures. If they can win their husbands without a word by their conduct, they can win cultures.

I believe it is more egregious for women to leave their natural function than it is for men since women don’t have the strong and powerful sex drive that men have. Men have ten times the testosterone and just their anatomy and the fact that they are visually stimulated makes it more difficult for them to remain morally pure. This is why women are called to be modest, discreet, and chaste for the good of culture. It is easier for them and when they lose this, all hell breaks lose and culture sinks into all types of depravity quickly.

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  • Tawreos

    “If they can win their husbands without a word by their conduct, they can win cultures.”

    Lori, it is not smart to admit why you want to keep women subservient at all times. It is also not smart to know that you have the power, as all humans do, to do anything you set your mind to and still buy into a belief system that intentionally keeps you down because ancient people needed a sky daddy to help them explain life.

  • Iain Lovejoy

    As a man, I do feel rather offended by the suggestion that I am some kind of moral imbecile who by nature can’t help sticking bits of my anatomy into pretty much anything unless “won” by some “chaste woman”.
    Being a Christian who bothers to actually read the Bible, I should also point out that Romans 1 has got rock all to do with some silly notion of women’s “chastity” somehow preserving civilisation, but rather is Paul expressing the belief (rightly or wrongly) that idolatry is corrosive to personal morality.

  • Saraquill

    Another day, another post in which Lori recycles her thoughts…

  • SAO

    Another post proving that the CPM marriage system is designed to prevent women from experiencing pleasure.

  • MillyPierce

    I truly believe that women who say things like this don’t have good sex lives to begin with. If your partner is doing the bare minimum to just get himself off, it’s pretty likely that the woman won’t enjoy it. If your partner makes your satisfaction as important as his, you’ll likely want to have more sex. Unless either partner has any physical, emotional, or mental issues that make sex difficult. Also I’m only talking about straight couples because that’s what she’s talking about.

  • AFo

    So apparently the world is going to hell because women have sexual urges and wear pants. Try to be a little less hysterical (in every sense), Lori.

  • Aloha

    Yes, but a couple who is porn-o-phobic, hands-on-o-phobic, anal-o-phobic, and generally against sensuality isn’t likely to feel comfortable with eroticism in sex.

  • I agree with Lori that men have far stronger sex drives than women. I’ve had both male and female levels of testosterone. When I had male levels of testosterone I had a near constant intense interested in sex, now with female levels of testosterone my interest in sex is just slightly above non-existent – there’s not even a remote comparison between the two.

  • lady_black

    That’s pretty insulting to men.

  • lady_black

    I’ve never met the man who could keep up with me, Sweetheart. I’m sorry, but that’s pure, unadulterated bunk.

  • lady_black

    It’s like the old saying. Just because a person is gay, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are attracted to YOU. It works the same way in straight people.

  • I’m just telling you my experience, you’re in no position to question it.

    Let me ask you this, do you do your best to have sex with every man you find attractive?

  • bekabot

    If they can win their husbands without a word by their conduct, they can win cultures.

    If they can win their husbands without a word by their conduct, then whatever, but that’s a big ‘if.’ Thus far there’s no proof the recipe works, and there’s some indications to the contrary.

  • bekabot

    No, and I don’t think men do either, on account of they’re not crazy. JMO.

    (Added: substituting ‘woman’ for ‘man’, of course…you know what I mean — though it parses out equally well either way.)

  • bekabot

    Just because a person is gay, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are attracted to YOU.

    Granted. All the same, jul qb nyy gurfr yrfovnaf xrrc jevgvat va gb Ybev?

  • I wasn’t asking you and LOTS of men do their best to have sex with every woman they find attractive.

  • Tawreos

    I don’t think Lori thinks the woman should enjoy it. As long as the husband enjoys it and puts a baby in the woman what more could anyone ask for? Trying to understand the people that think like this always leaves me feeling a little sick.

  • smrnda

    Even the self-professed ‘pick up artists’ aren’t trying to have sex with every woman they find attractive. Just the normal responsibilities of life are enough to get in the way of even trying, along with social etiquette and space based rules.

    With ‘normal levels of sexual interest’ – there’s sexual interest itself, and then there’s openly admitting to being sexually attracted. Women have been socialized that it’s not appropriate for them to express sexual interest, much more than men. Even people who don’t think of themselves as prudes can be clearly uncomfortable around women who are too open about their sexual feelings. However, it’s obvious that women are consuming all kinds of porn, erotica and smut. Media capitalizes on hot male protagonists. It’s just that somehow, accepting this as normal is problematic for many people.

  • Allison the Great

    You weren’t commenting on just your own experience, though. You said “men and women” not just you. I agree with Lady Black,that the assumption is a load of bullshit, and it’s only based on what is expected of men and women, not what they’re really like.

    I know tons of women (myself included) who love sex.

    I think it’s really disrespectful of men when you assume that they all just want to fuck every woman they think is pretty. You are just perpetuating the horrible “men are pigs” stereotype. It’s incredibly insulting to men.

    By the way, men who do everything they can to have sex with every attractive woman they see have serious issues with boundaries, just like women who behave the same way.

  • I never said all men want to have sex with every woman they find pretty. A lot of them do, but not all of them. I also never said there were no women who didn’t love sex. What I’m saying is that just as there are some women who are physically stronger than some men there are some women who desire sex more than some men but in general men are physically stronger than women and in general men desire sex more than women.

    If you’ve never experienced both male and female levels of testosterone you really have no basis on which to make a judgement. Think of the couples you know, isn’t it pretty consistent that the men say they wish they could have sex more often? How many coupled women do you know that tell you “I can’t get all the sex I want from my man.”?

  • MillyPierce

    What is the point of sex without eroticism? What do you even have left if you take that part out? You’d have to hate yourself for doing something so dirty!

  • MillyPierce

    I’m sorry but that’s really insulting to women like me with really high sex drives!

  • lady_black

    Nope. But that has nothing to do with the strength of my sex drive. The reason I don’t do my best to have sex with every man I’m attracted to is that I’m married, and I’m a one-man woman.
    Besides, even if I weren’t married, who has that kind of time?

  • Zeldacat

    Given that I’ve never been hit on by any lesbians I’ve known…ouch, maybe (hey, it’d be a compliment!) but true. And Lord knows I’m not attracted to any man I see.

    And I have a pretty active sex drive, even if it’s been forever since I’ve had sex with anybody else. Lori would be horrified, I’m sure. Especially since I have ways to deal with it by myself. She really ought to learn some of them.

  • maybe they just drive by joislut.com more often lol

  • Jo

    “Men have ten times the testosterone and just their anatomy and the fact that they are visually stimulated makes it more difficult for them to remain morally pure.”

    Rubbish, you are an idiot Lori.

  • The Jack of Sandwich

    If men have stronger sex drives than women, that sounds like a case of astoundingly bad “Design” on God’s part.

  • The Jack of Sandwich

    Men have no control over their raging hormones, so they should be in charge of everything.

  • smrnda

    I also don’t think it’s realistic or practical for men to pursue sex with any/all women who they feel attracted to.

    Then there’s also rules about expressing sexual desire. The existence of porn/smut/erotica aimed at women and such as well as media catering to the female gaze demonstrated that women are pretty sexual, it’s just that it’s been less acceptable.

  • lady_black

    Yes, but you didn’t frame it as “your experience” (which can never be assumed to be universal). Nobody tries to have sex with every person they find attractive. Nobody has that kind of time. And that has nothing to do with a person’s sex drive.

  • lady_black

    Do everyone’s comments need to wait in moderation, or just mine?

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    No, obviously some Fundy is flipping out and flagging every comment that is not supporting the fundytown thinking. I hope they knock it off soon because I am at the mall eating at Hooters (take that Fundy!). So it might be a little bit before I get to my computer and ban them by ip

  • lady_black

    I hope they’re giving you better service than my husband and I got, the one time we decided to visit Hooters.
    As far as fundies flipping out and flagging comments, this isn’t their sandbox.

  • lady_black

    There’s a reason why I masturbate. My sex drive is much higher than my husband’s.
    I don’t know anything about my level of testosterone, but I’m not growing a beard, so I can assume it’s pretty normal. I’ve found that the mind is the biggest erogenous zone in the human body, and I know just as many women who would like to have more sex as men who would like to have more sex. So, it’s not “all about testosterone.”

  • lady_black

    LOL!

  • Aloha

    what’s left is wifey servicing her master. pure romance …

  • Anonyme

    Is it just me, or is there a strong undercurrent of “women shouldn’t enjoy sex”?

  • SAO

    Frankly, it seems to me that having “experienced both male and female levels of testosterone” implies that you were not satisfied with the heterosexual sex/sexuality of the gender on your birth certificate.

    That implies your experiences with male or female levels of testosterone are not based on the typical man or woman.

    For example, if you are transgender, does your experience as your birth gender represent the typical experience of someone of that gender? I’d say no, since you rejected your birth gender.

    If you took hormones for some other reason, such as a medical condition that required steroids, that condition might have affected your sex drive.

    In short, anecdotes aren’t data. Your experience is an interesting data point worth considering, but not a definitive answer.

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    At a certain point, it’s not about attraction, or desire, or even the sex. People who put significant effort in obtaining and give great importance to how much sex they have in numerical terms – usually with few repeat partners – are sex addicts, seeking validation of themselves through sex that needs more and more risk involved to feel anything.

    Men and women are quite capable of restraint despite sexual attraction, and both men and women can fall anywhere on the sex drive spectrum, in a civilized society humans know they will frequently have to keep it in their pants so things like work, school, and social interactions will fit into the schedule.

  • Sandpirate

    I’d say it’s pretty even among my friends. I have some that are pretty equal with their partner. I have about the same number of male and female friends that say they don’t get sex as often as they would like.

  • Evelyn

    And it ignores the historical reality that women used to be regarded as suspect because of their fearsome sex drives that could overwhelm innocent men!

  • Hannah

    It’s not just you… To put it into a context they’d understand, if God didn’t want women to enjoy sex, why did he invent the clitoris?

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    It might amuse you guys that someone has a serious hangup with any women talking about women enjoying sex. Anytime one of you mentions it in a comment they flag the comment as inappropriate. They can keep doing that but I’m just going to reapprove the comment. Some folks have issues.

  • Hannah

    That does amuse me.

  • Hannah

    That does amuse me.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Eh, it’s the Hooters in Costa Rica so while the girls are dressed the same and the place is the same cheesy jock-atmosphere the food is slightly different and the service much much better than the ones I’ve been to in the States. When we left Fundytown my son, who was a teenager then, begged to go to Hooters for his birthday and we went. I was shocked only at how tame it was considering we’d been told how horribly offensive, satanic and sinful the place was. We went a couple of times a year after that as sort of a big middle finger to what we’d been taught and realized how harmless the place was.

  • What the heck does Lori think she’s saying by ‘just their anatomy’? And even according to her own ‘logic’, it still makes no sense for it to be more egregious for the sex that ‘has an easier time being moral’ to reject her ‘natural’ use.

  • MaraT

    Yep, what rot! She claims to “teach Biblical truth”. Seriously?? WHERE in the Bible does it say that it’s more difficult for men to remain “morally pure”??

  • Cynthia

    Lori and Ken have repeatedly made their sex lives sound downright awful.

    Here is a classic post from Ken: http://lorialexander.blogspot.ca/2015/10/sex-romance-lies-and-responsibility.html

    Yes, he is talking about sex taking FIVE MINUTES, from start to finish. Because apparently men might be too busy doing important stuff to take the time for foreplay. And if you aren’t enjoying your 5 minutes of sex, no problem – just try to remember that the important thing is that the husband is enjoying it, and that God wants you to satisfy him on demand. Now, Ken is using the word foreplay, so he clearly knows what it is. He has heard about women being crockpots, so he knows that most women need some foreplay to warm up and enjoy things. He just truly doesn’t give a shit about them or how they feel.

    Is it any wonder that Lori seems to think that sex is a chore, not unlike doing the dishes?