Family gathering last week to welcome new g/child. We were all in stitches that scientist aunty brought a series of board books for him. ‘Relativity for Babies,’ ‘Quantum Physics for Babies’ and ‘Rocket Science for Babies’. Scientist parents plan to get much use out of them. I used to write children’s stories. Am thinking of ‘The Human Reproductive System for Babies’. That’s for Brett Kavnaugh who said all birth control is abortifacient…and now, specially for the Hams and Pearls of this world..’Debunking Creationism with Facts for Babies’ or ‘Evolutionary Theory for Babies’…just a thought, i’m sure they’d learn a lot, one sciency word per page…and I might get my round the world cruise on the proceeds…mmm!

This is the education that’s going to produce the great leaders of tomorrow?

One of Ken Hamm’s book has an entire chapter about how plants don’t really die – because of that exact question – or the related question of “If everything was a vegan, how does the death of plants before the Fall count?”

I’d love to explain the chapter’s thesis – but I can’t make heads or tails out of it. It’s something like “Ancient Hebrew uses the word “death of plants” to mean something like wilting or the response of plants in wilting so plants didn’t die before the Fall even if the Bible said it did….

It’s almost as absurd as the chapter on how aggressive/defensive structures came into being if God created the world in six days, perfectly and without beneficial changes since then. Apparently, if you state often enough that T. rex ate plants before the Fall with their long pointy teeth, it eventually sounds less insane.

From my POV, when you have to start creating a massive extra-Biblical structure to make the Bible fit science, you should probably take a big step back and ask a far more important question – “Was the Bible really written as a science manual? Is that what people used it for prior to, say, 1400 AD? “.

This is exactly why I now have the following brain meme: Mediocre man thinks big thoughts. It pops up every time I see anything by Charlie Kirk or Ben Shapiro or their general ilk. Why are we teaching this mediocre white dudes that their thoughts are important and valuable, when we should be laughing them off the planet?

I love to see the knots these people tie themselves into trying to explain things like this, or the two accounts of creation, or was Jesus crucified before or after Passover (Mark and John differ). It would be funny if it weren’t for the fact that kids are actually taught this crap as fact.

That was my thought as well. The earth was pristine and perfect, so why would God make the moon full of divets and craters? Why put the residue of nasty volcanis explosions? Doesnt sound perfect to me.

Those awesome canines on Smilodon were for breaking open tough fruit, like coconuts, obvs.

I’m not surprised. It’s the least amount of understanding packaged as being “Understanding what others don’t.” Right up Mike-Mike’s alley, up to and including the fact that he learned it from someone else and it solved any cognitive dissonance that bothers him. (The very reason he is KJV-only)

You see, it’s all part of God’s big joke. He made the Earth LOOK old, buried dinosaur bones in the ground, added astronomical evidence of a universe that has been expanding for billions of years, all as a joke. He KNEW that eventually humans would develop the skills to find all this evidence, and they would conclude from the evidence that the Earth was in fact billions of years old, in contradiction to what was written in the Bible. And then he would send them to Hell for that conclusion. Bwahaha! Oh, God’s up there slapping his knee at the hilarious practical joke he pulled on scientists. He’s such a kidder.

I think your last sentence should be “He’s such an asshole.”

So, what Mikey’s saying is that God made the fossils just to tease us, old bones to test our faith in Jesus.

(Credits to Roy Zimmerman)

https://youtu.be/uIwiPsgRrOs

“”Was the Bible really written as a science manual?”
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Exactly! It is just mind boggling that the same people who understand the concept of explicitly named parables in the Bible can’t seem to grasp that other Biblical stories are also parables, allegories, etc.

Jehovah’s Witnesses have been teaching that for decades, at least 45 years, just based on my history

So as much as I am not at all a fan of Micheal Pearl, his position appears to be more intellectually honest than, say, Ken Ham’s. All the evidence points to an old earth. The only way to justifiably argue that the earth is young would be suggest that it was made to LOOK old. God deliberately making the earth to look older than it is going to create a bunch of theological issues, but scientifically, it can’t ever be ruled out 100%.

My brother and SIL are YECs that homeschool their kids. They don’t allow their kids to watch the Plaent Earth Series because it talks about evolution and climate change. (And they don’t celebrate Christmas because it’s not in the bible, but they do celebrate Boxing Day — she’s from Canada.) Now, on first glance you’d think they’re really doing their children a disservice. But, when you add into the blend that their kids are both on the autistic spectrum. The older boy is 18, is highly verbal, but lacks in social development and has the intellectual development of a 14 YO, and it’s questionable if he will ever develop further than this. The younger boy is 13, and is developmentally at the level of a 5 yo — everyone involved in his care thinks that he has reached his maximum potential. Generally, I would argue that children need to be taught the evidence and the scientific concurrence about what that evidence shows us about the age of the earth/galaxy/universe and how things came to be as they are now. But, in the case of these two kids, I don’t see how the lack of this knowledge will hinder them.

I was raised on those books and they made me talk like an idiot. They could only suppress my love of true science for so long though.