Doug Wilson Does Not Understand Sexual Consent or Modesty

Doug Wilson Does Not Understand Sexual Consent or Modesty November 24, 2018

Originally I was going to write about the missionary John Allen Chau trespassing repeatedly in to the territory of one of India’s islands. An island holding a tribe of primitive people named the Sentinelese. He was killed by bow and arrows upon his second illegal foray. So many issues involving Evangelicalism this case brings up, missionaries doing harm, colonialism, disrespect for cultures and exposing vulnerable populations to illnesses and microbes they have no defense against.

But as I took a gander around the usual suspects of Quiverfull might have something to say on the death of one foolish young man, but nary a peep. What we did find was guys like Doug Wilson of Blog and Mablog ignorantly sounding off on anything but the death of Chau. Doug is outraged about sexual consent being a thing, apparently thinking if you are a Hollywood actress wearing a revealing dress at a function then you must give up the sex, or be unsurprised when creeps try to have sex with you. Read on.

Doug does not understand that even if the actress in this fictional piece of his banged all the actors and crew on the site of the Ho Chi Min Trail it would still not give anyone the ‘right’ to be creepy to her if she does not initiate it.

Clothing never dictates sexual permission or availability no matter what steamy mash books he has saved from the 1950s might say.

That woman could be shoving that cleavage, even if it’s likely only a bare collar bone, under Doug’s nose and it’s still none of his business at all. He cannot touch it, it’s not an invitation for him to lick it, touch it, or anything else. He needs to look at his shoes if this is such a problem for him that he’s going to be steered into a lust so deep that near rape is the only option.

That is the thing that guys like Doug, and his followers do not get. Sexual consent is a real thing. It’s the law. Even if a woman walked down the road naked as the day she emerged from her mother’s womb and she does not initiate sex he’s not entitled to anything.

Control yourself gentlemen and stop blaming women for your inability to control your own gonads!~

Between Lori Alexander calling other women ‘subtle whores’ and Doug’s complaining about what he calls ‘immodest wenches’ they should be introduced, and go off together as a disgusting matched set of perverted Christians that think all the time about sex.

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  • Iain Lovejoy

    Probably worth trotting out again that the Timothy quote is about immodest displays of wealth in clothing, not cleavage, continuing as it does (which Doug inexplicably fails to quote): “…not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array.”
    Also, Doug lies (possibly to himself too, possibly not) about what is going on with his reaction to “immodest clothing”. In his fictional scenarios what he sort of admits is occurring is a woman saying with her clothing to Doug and his mates (because Doug thinks all men are like him) “you can’t tell me what to do”. Doug & co are less provoked to lust and more (essentially) to violence: the point is to victimise the woman and put her back in her box – the sexual element is to an extent incidental. This is true in his “actress” fantasy, too: the woman is to be punished for thinking she is entitled to have sex with people and do nude scenes but still think she is entitled to control her own life. She is by contract a slut and men are entitled to treat her that way.
    (BTW, call me sexist but if a woman literally thrusts her cleavage into my face – or for that matter turns up to my picnic actually naked – she is being extremely impolite and I would say I am well within my rights to tell her I’d rather she didn’t. I can’t think of anything less likely to make me want to make sexual advances to her, though.)

  • igotbanned999

    There are such things as public indecency laws, as well.

  • Iain Lovejoy

    Well yes. For normal people standards of dress are about good manners and not being anti-social, not “inciting lust”. I wouldn’t want Doug Wilson with his shirt off at my picnic and I am damn sure it’s not for fear I would be incited to uncontrollable lust. The normal response is to ignore it or, if necessary, have a quiet word, and in extreme cases of public indecency, as you say, call the police.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    There’s not a problem with you telling that boob-baring woman that you’d rather not have it at your party. That’s not Doug’s thinking that he gets the breasts because they are on display.

  • AFo

    Women dressing how they want and choosing when and with whom to have sex. Let me get you a fainting couch, Doug.

    Anyone else find that photo in the post hypocritical as hell? I thought fundegelicals believed Jesus is the reason for the season and Santa is a tool of secularists/Satan to brainwash children and damn then to hell.

  • bekabot

    …Never mind that she has in her contract, a document that she signed, her agreement to take off all her clothes for the camera if the same man had deemed it necessary in the cause of Art.

    Doug does not understand that even if the actress in this fictional piece of his banged all the actors and crew on the site of the Ho Chi Min Trail it would still not give anyone the ‘right’ to be creepy to her if she does not initiate it.

    He also doesn’t understand the difference between reality and make-believe — between what happens in a hotel suite for real and what gets filmed as a cinematic fiction. This is a troubling deficit in a man who deals professionally with issues of faith.

    Does he think that Superman can fly?

  • Friend

    I ALWAYS pick out clothes that will make Doug Wilson stare, in hopes I can sob about him to Variety. Dang it, he’s figured me out!

  • therealcie

    Women are damned if we do and damned if we don’t. If we show a little cleavage, we’re whores. If we’re the kind who prefers to wear loose, modest clothes, we’re prudes. And heaven forbid a larger woman show any skin. We larger ladies are supposed to keep ourselves covered in a tent at all times.
    I’m the sort of person who generally wears very loose-fitting clothes that are the polar opposite of sexy. In fact, I really don’t like sex very much. But for several years after I got divorced, my fat ass got butt naked for art classes in order to make a little extra money. Fortunately, the students and teachers I worked with were a little more evolved than Doug and realized that their models were just people and treated us with the respect that all people deserve.

  • Saraquill

    As tempting as that sounds, I’d rather wear my “ethnic” clothing in front of him and watch him tie himself in knots at the sight of a non-white non-Christian woman.

  • Saraquill

    I’m impressed. How do you manage holding still for so long?

  • Zeldacat

    Unfortunately, given that I’d love to annoy Dougie with my wardrobe, winter has arrived so I am bundled up from neck to ankles all day. The only thing he could complain about is that I wear pants instead of long skirts, but he could never say I’m showing skin of any sort. Face and hands, that’s it.

    I will totally volunteer to help organize said contingent of feminists, Karen. I’m elsewhere in Idaho (thankfully separated by mountain ranges) from his pathetic self. Just in warmer weather?

  • Does he realize he is talking about men who behave badly? But then, it’s always the women’s fault, right?

  • pinkie

    I’m up for invading Doug’s church and am within driving distance. Maybe I’ll sit up front in that sheer top with a really low neckline?

  • Ally

    All that aside, does he think that every actress wants to be pressured to do a nude scene so that she can get the job? Is he not aware that actresses often start resisting the inclusion of nude scenes once they start getting more famous and billable? (In other words, once they’re too famous to be easily replaced, they have more bargaining power.) Wilson seems to think that actresses demand nude scenes for the express purpose of tormenting male directors. While some actresses may suggest a nude scene when they feel it’s appropriate, most the nude scenes are the male director’s idea. If Wilson actually bothered to read #MeToo stories, he’d realize that young attractive people (particularly women) trying to break into the business often have to participate in more gratuitous nudity and sexuality on camera and are rarely able to assert their own boundaries during the filming of those scenes.

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