Lori Alexander Uses Kim Kardashian to Promote Modesty?

Lori Alexander Uses Kim Kardashian to Promote Modesty? October 15, 2019
Screen cap from Lori Alexander’s social media. 71 degrees? Sweater weather here, not shorts, but I know up north that is warm. To each their own.

Woke up this morning to another Lori Alexander of The Transformed Wife ranting yet again about modesty and not luring men into sin with your flesh. Lori Alexander uses Kim Kardashian to promote modesty? The mind boggles!

Keep in mind that Lori herself has been photographed wearing rather short shorts and well above the knee skirts.  All the while preaching about modesty, yet excusing her behavior by saying this is what her husband Ken wants.

Is it modesty, or what your husband wants that is the most important here?

So why is Lori bringing up Kanye West and his wife Kim Kardashian? Likely because Kanye seems to be the newest big celebrity to come out of the closet as the right kind of Christian. I don’t know what denomination Kanye is, but he said this about his wife and Lori leaps right in to embrace it, booty shorts and all.

I’m not a big fan of either Kanye or Kim. His music isn’t my favorite, even if he does do a few songs I like. Prefer Tupac or Eminem. His ridiculous shenanigans have always left a bad taste in my mouth. It’s hard to take him seriously.

Not a fan of the wife either, and it has nothing to do with her nude and nearly nude displays, and more with her family’s money and attention grubbing ways. I will say she’s partially redeemed herself in my eyes by her activism on the part of prison reform.  Prison reform is badly needed in the United States, and if it takes a reality television star to make that happen so be it. If she uses her status to help right injustice it can only be good.

First, I’m not sure that 1 Peter 2:11 is really dealing with porn and wearing shorts, or other revealing things. It seems more general than so specific, yet we know that Lori et al seem to have a talent for finding hidden meanings in scriptures that just are not that clear!

I find it sort of amazing, and by turns comical that it is mostly in Evangelical Christianity that porn seems to be an addiction. More users of porn (according to PornHub) seem to be religious. Porn, lust, keeping your eyes to yourself seem to be much more of a problem in religious communities that out in the real world with the rest of us.

Lori finally gives a definition for what she considers “Shamefaced.” I’ve been wondering about this, as I know some of you have because it’s just not that common of an expression. In my years in Quiverfull I never heard it explained this way, to not draw attention to ones self. I kind of thought that it was pretty standard to the fundamental thinking in most parts of Christianity that a lady does not wear “LOOK AT ME!” type clothing? Cover what you legally must cover and it’s all good.

Which leads me to another thing about this false modesty practiced in Quiverfull. Is dressing like many do in Quiverfull really modest in the “shamefaced” way Lori is describing? Recently I was in the States, shopping in a Goodwill store. I was wearing a pair of old loose leggings, flipflops and a sleeveless loose long tunic. While I was going through the racks I heard a disapproving “Hhmp!” and turned just in time to see a lady of my age group glaring at me. She was wearing a calico jumper, a loose long sleeved tee, tights, and flats. Her hair was swept up in a almost Gibson Girl bun, and a huge cross dangled between her amply disguised breasts. Covered from collarbones to ankles.

I’ve thought about the encounter several times since it happened. I laughed it off at the time, but now I wonder. Which of us was truly “shamefaced”? Me who blended right in with how everyone else in the store was attired? Or her, a woman that stood out like Kim Kardashian at a nuns picnic? I had almost as much flesh as she covered from display, right down to my loose tunic covering my lumpy rear.

Screen cap from an almost famous Quiverfull family. Covering faces because I don’t wish to expose minor kids.  Is dressing your children like this really modest or shamefaced or is it really shame based?

Regardless of Lori’s insistence on modest apparel while she’s wearing shorts one thing is for sure. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the Evangelical Christian world will react to Kanye West joining in. He announced this week he’s only going to be recording Christian music. We live in interesting times!

Dress how you like, what suits your activities, your needs and wants. I’ll never take these modesty enforcers seriously until they start looking at what men wear, and they don’t move the goalpost just for themselves.

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  • Ann

    Kanye’s manic and he’s probably off his meds. I don’t like his music either, and his by invitation only Sunday services don’t impress. Who the hellz6 can call KimK modest? She wears skin tight clothes that accentuate her surgically enhanced buut and buubs. Everything she does (with the exception of getting people out of prison) is for the camera. Wonder if she is still studying law or was that a flash in the pan as well?

  • Raging Bee

    Lori Alexander uses Kim Kardashian to promote modesty? The mind boggles!

    How else is she supposed to get mainstream attention — with CONTENT?! Don’t make me laugh.

  • Friend

    Took a peek at Kim Kardashian West’s Twitter. Mainly pics of her modeling her own line of underwear1. A few of another woman modeling the stuff. A few of her cosmetic1 line. Several of her visiting the Armenian1 1Genocide1 Museum and wearing a head covering that looks vaguely ancient and non American.

    None of this would pass muster with Lori.

  • Marie

    This just ticks me off!! She is using the Kardashians as an example of Good Christians, modest??? Maybe because Kanye is a Trump supporter. This also ticks me off because she basically said Rachel Held Evans wasn’t a Christian and days after her passing saying horrible things about her!!! But these 2 are her shining example!??!! She says, “I use truth wherever I can find it!” WHAT!!!!! Rachel was much more of a Christian than this couple and to be blunt, more than Lori as well!!!

  • Jim Jones

    They have the trick of babbling the sort of word salad that appeals to their followers. But it’s just virtue signaling on both sides.

  • Jim Jones

    And let’s not forget the pictures of Melania, nude2 and semi-nude, which will live forever. But Michelle Obama’s bare arms were a scandal? SMH

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Nor would her involvement with the criminal justice reform folks either! Or her stopping having babies and using a surrogate because it was too risky on her health because of a medical condition involving overgrown placentas!

  • The only time I think to myself “You’re wearing *that*?!” is mid-January when the temperature is -35° and I see someone in a tank top and shorts. I live in Wisconsin and I have seen that. (Kinda risking frostbite there. Just saying.)

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Reminds me of the time in January I drove up to UVA hospital through crowds of college aged kids wearing board shorts and tees. I was in my car and having to wear gloves and a coat. So cold!!! It in the 20s

  • Polytropos

    You’re right, the way QF women dress is the exact opposite of modesty. Nothing screams “look at me!” like a jumper dress with a modesty tee underneath.

    Fun fact, the dress that older girl to the right of the photo is wearing looks very much like my mom’s church dress from the early 90s. Poor kids. I have a real problem with people who deliberately make their kids look weird. It isolates them and makes it hard for them to form friendships outside the cult.

  • AFo

    I watched the clip of Kim and Kanye’s argument. I have to say, I admire her for telling him he was being ridiculous, seeing as this was her final fitting a mere 24 hours before the Met gala. If he had qualms about the outfit, that was not the time to bring them up. Not that his opinion should really matter more than hers; I tend to find most of what she wears incredibly tacky, but she’s got a brand and image to sell, and it seems to work for her, so kudos.

    Lori, unsurprisingly, continues to be wrong. Only men can control their behavior, not the women around them.

  • AFo

    Well, the isolation is a feature, not a bug. They can’t have the kids exposed to other ideas, or they might realize that what they’ve been raised to believe is a huge pile of BS.

  • elanoreirlys

    In terms of wearing a dress with a ‘modesty t-shirt’ underneath, why not, I dunno, not buy the dress…? Surely there’s a better way than this overly complicated method of dressing. Just looking at those kiddos in the image above makes me think I’d sweat like old billy-o if I had to dress like that as a kid.

  • Cynthia

    Wearing those shirts underneath makes it possible to buy regular dresses since it is harder to find lightweight ultra-modest ones. It was also a trend for a while, although that might be changing.

  • Cynthia

    She blasts pop culture when convenient, but then uses it for click bait.

  • Well… I can’t say she’s entirely wrong — Kim K. is a great example of how NOT to live.

    ETA: Of course, Lori’s also a great example of what NOT to do, so…

  • persephone

    Ken and Lori live in San Diego where the temperature is in the low 70s most of the year. I suppose if you’re sitting in the sun and out of the wind that 71 in shorts is comfortable.

  • Friend

    All about the eyeballs. White supremacists1 one day, Kimye the next.

  • Karen the rock whisperer

    Last night, I attended a meeting where I knew some of the attendees, but not others. One unfamiliar person was a man who, by the end of the meeting, seemed very attractive to me. He was tall, with salt-and-pepper hair and beard, not overweight, dressed in a lovely marled sweater, dark other clothes. Not a bad looker. Fully dressed, nothing tight. What I found really attractive was the way he interacted with others: always with respect, even when disagreeing.

    At age 60, I see a lot of guys that I would call “cute”, but meet very few I truly find attractive. Hmmm, now that I think of it, I had a colleague back in my 20s who practically took my breath away when we interacted. It was all I could do to keep my behavrior professional. (Stronger libido back then.) That colleague was not physically attractive by any conventional measure. But he treated everyone with respect, and the same level of respect.

    I suppose then, treating other people with respect just because they’re fellow human beings is sinful, no matter how modestly you’re dressed, because someone might find that quality attractive. Oh, wait, some Christians do think that, especially conservative ones.

  • Saraquill

    If Lori wants to follow her own advice, she should stop posting, thus drawing no more attention to herself.

  • Saraquill

    I was totally into the frilly stuff at that age, though my mom made me coordinate better. Didn’t understand her desire for matching things then.

  • frostysnowman

    I’ll say this – I am not a Kim K fan. Most of the time, when I see what she’s wearing, I think “all that money and THAT’S what you have on?”, because he clothes to be skin tight and look cheap. However, that Mugler dress was a stunning work of art and she looked absolutely amazing in it! The whole look was incredible. Kanye picked a bad time to start ragging on how she dresses. In fact, he should shut up completely about how she dresses.

    I thiink Lori is using Kanye to promote modesty, not Kim. Look at his change of heart once he was saved! See, I told you Jesus works! He liked looking at immodest women and now he doesn’t!

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    The fact that Lori misspelled Kanye’s name in her first publishing tells you just how much she knows about him. And all that mud slinging she did at The Bachelor without a word of disgust for Keeping Up With The Kardashians. She’s groping for hits. Interestingly enough most of her posters said oodles of ugly things about Kanye and Kim. Love her or hate her at least you have to bow to Kim’s ability to parlay marketing herself into serious bank.

  • Cynthia

    The pic is in their place in Wisconsin. They are usually there in the summer, but I wonder if they went earlier in the spring? That’s the kind of photo I would take to celebrate the First Nice Day of the Year. Every few years, that will happen in March and I will take a pic enjoying beautiful sunshine and dressed for warm weather….even if there is still snow on the ground. When I was growing up, we would go skiing north of Montreal during March break and taking off ski jackets and grabbing some sun on the hills was always a treat.

  • Mimc

    They should at least get white shirts for underneath instead of those mismatched ones. That one dress looks like a flower girl dress but then she got a patterned shirt underneath. That girl’s going to cringe at this photo some day.

  • Jennifer

    Eyeballs?

  • Polytropos

    I strongly suspect many of those clothing items came from thrift stores. As Cynthia says it’s generally quite hard to buy dresses that conform to the modesty standards shown in the photo, and it’s even harder to find such dresses at a thrift store.

  • Jennny

    I think the girls in such families often make their own. I sew and recall Mrs Rodrigues posting a pic of one of her teenagers and saying she’d made her (very ugly-looking) dress. I assume, cos they are usually dirt poor whilst proclaiming ‘the lord provides’, they get and remodel stuff from thrift shops, or cast offs from their sheeple. Those children in the picture, is that Sunday-go-to-church wear, or do they really go on their play equipment…like trampolines and climbing frames like that? Looks dangerous if so.

  • Polytropos

    Could be church clothes, could be everyday clothes. It’s hard to tell with these families. Making clothes is a whole big thing with fundies, and it’s not always for financial reasons. Making clothes can actually work out as expensive as buying them these days by the time you’ve bought fabric and thread and buttons and so on. Sometimes they do it because they can’t find ready to wear clothes they consider appropriate, and because they see sewing as a traditional women’s activity. My parents could certainly afford to buy clothes, but mom always made clothes for me and they were always hideous.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    They had gone to a wedding, it was dress up beyond church clothing.

  • Friend

    Marketing lingo for attention or viewers.

  • Mimc

    The thing I hate most about that photo is the baby with a modesty t-shirt underneath. If your man folk “stumble” at the sight of a babies shoulders they belong in jail.

  • Jennny

    Ah, Ok, come to think of it, I guess the girls in such families probably don’t do too much playing outside. The boys do the tree-climbing etc while the girls do the demure inside stuff, like sewing etc to prepare them for marriage and their own quiverfull.

  • texassa

    If these warriors for christ dedicated themselves and their time to serving others, helping in their communities, and worrying about themselves and their own domains, christ would be much better served. Jesus himself preached that we all ought to worry about ourselves and our own flaws. Don’t these people read the gospels?

  • paganheart

    Kanye certainly wouldn’t be the first mentally ill person to find religion…I have a couple of relatives who are diagnosed bipolar, who also happen to be hardcore fundies. It’s hard to tell where the religion ends and the mental illness begins, sometimes.

    That said, the cynical part of me can’t help but wonder how much of Kanye’s “conversion” is real religious fervor, and how much of it is a marketing ploy to stay relevant and promote his new album. It’s not the first time he’s rapped about religion (his song “Jesus Walks” off his first big album, ironically enough is the only Kanye song I can stand listening to.) More recently, he’s expanded his ‘Sunday Service’ into events that are basically pop-up concerts that the public is invited to attend, including one about a week ago in Salt Lake City, right in the middle of the LDS church’s Annual Conference (I know because my husband is in SLC for work right now and staying at a hotel not far from where West’s event was held…it created a traffic nightmare, according to hubby.) Methinks the only religion Kanye wants to convert people to is the Church of Kanye West…and I’m not the only one…
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/14/opinion/kanye-sunday-service.html

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    One thing is sure. It will be interesting to watch and see if this is a genuine conversion experience or just another episode in the Kanye West narcissistic tour. I’m open to either, but I prefer to wait and see what he does next and how that squares with his claims. Interestingly enough most of Lori Alexander’s commenters are saying similar things but in much nastier ways. They are accusing Kim of being the hore-bag of Babylon among other things.

  • paganheart

    Yep, that’s not too surprising…for all the good Kim’s apparently doing with her prison reform efforts, there are many who can’t forget (or forgive) that she got famous orignally for her DIY p0rn0gr@phy. I’m sure plenty of Lori’s groupies have a problem with the biracial nature of Kim and Kanye’s relationship as well. (Overheard at a family gathering: “What is wrong with those Kardashian girls that they all date b**** men?” smdh…)

  • SAO

    I’ve visited Armenia and in some of the churches, you’re expected to cover your head. They have free coverings for tourists. The genocide museum has a chapel. It’s pretty powerful. I tend to bring a large scarf if I plan to visit churches and I don’t remember if I needed it. It was barely spring, so I remember wearing my scarf for warmth part of the trip.

  • SAO

    The clothes look like they don’t fit well. They are an odd mix of poorly-fitting thrifted clothes and fancy dress-up. At first glance, it looks like party clothes, at second, it looks like cast-off flower girl attire from different weddings.

  • Jennifer

    Reminds me of the sequel novel to The Handmaid’s Tale, where a kid who grew up in Gilead says only boys could play on swings bc they didn’t wear dresses.

  • Jennifer

    They have another house?? Uugh, I swear, the most undeserving people on the planet are affluent.

  • Jennifer

    Gee, the ONE time when following Lori’s example would have been the kinder thing to do.

  • Jennifer

    Ohh, thanks. The more you know..

  • Cynthia

    It was her family’s summer home.

  • Friend

    Thanks. I don’t plan to look at her Twitter again, but the photo of veiled Kim struck me as What If The Madonna Were Hot Like Me.

  • Cynthia

    Sort of off-topic but I have a question about Tamarindo. Our family will be in Flamingo Beach from Xmas to New Years, and we were wondering what the best beach along that coast was, and any “must see/do” activity. We were there 6 years ago and loved it.

  • persephone

    “Women have a past; men have a future.”

    Everybody makes mistakes, stupid decisions when they’re growing up. Kim’s mom pushed her to do the pr9on, knowing it would get her attention, because at the time Kim was just Paris Hilton’s sidekick.

    The Kardashians date men who don’t mind being on TV, such as athletes and performers, many of whom are black.

  • persephone

    Kim is very intelligent and chose law, following in her father’s footsteps. So what if she wears clothes that are tight. She works hard for that body and it’s hers. She’s been brought up to perform for the camera, and she’s become incredibly wealthy doing it. Kris pushed her daughters into it. Kim is starting to take control of her life, a life without being managed by her mother or controlled by her husband. I think their fans are kind of weird, but that’s their choice.

  • elanoreirlys

    Agreed!

  • elanoreirlys

    Ok, that makes sense. I think there is a trend towards lightweight dresses now, but they tend to be a bit clingy…

  • elanoreirlys

    Good point!

  • NikkiofAmystika

    Methods and all else aside, Kris has, IMO, done one decidedly good thing for her daughters-she’s deeply instilled an ambitious, hard-working entrepreneurial spirit into them.

  • NikkiofAmystika

    When I was in high school, most of the male athletes (many of whom I was either friends or at least friendly with) wore muscle tees, basketball shorts and flip-flops no matter the weather. I could never understand how they weren’t freezing and miserable.

  • Cynthia

    In my area, there are a lot of women with even more modest standards of dress than this, but who also want to look fashionable.

    I know that around 10 years ago, the big thing was wearing “shells” – lightweight shirts that are stretchy and fit fairly snugly, and which generally cover elbows and collarbones. I have some, and still wear a couple of black ones under jackets or vests. They have far less bulk than sweaters or regular shirts, so you can stick them under anything, and then shop wherever you want for clothes without worrying about modesty.

    Article about the trend, from someone who thinks it is awful: https://forward.com/life/style/380785/why-this-orthodox-layering-trend-has-to-stop/

    The ubiquitous Kiki Riki shells: https://www.shirtstop.us/women/tops/kiki-riki-womens-lycra-shell-3-4-sleeve-22591.html

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Flamingo is just down the road! We looked at a house there before we bought.

    The nicest beach in the area is hands down Playa Grande. It also called Las Baulas. National park with zero hotels or guys selling coconut water, it’s just all natural and mostly deserted. If you hike down to the big rocks and squeeze past you’ll hit another perfectly deserted beach Las Ventanas. There’s Conchal, which is an all shell beach, shells instead of sands.

    Most spectacular don’t miss thing I’ve done here is an afternoon on a large 40 foot catamaran. I’ve taken the ones out of Tamarindo, but I know they also run out of Flamingo harbor too. They take you pretty far out into the ocean, you’ll see dolphins and all sorts of marine life. The water is absolutely pristine crystal clear. They usually will stop for an hour or so in a spot where the water is deep just for you to swim for while, and usually cater a huge spread of food and drink.

    Or you can drive 3 hours over to Volcano Arenal. Hike the volcano and get into the hot springs coming off the volcano. Or there’s swimming in the water falls near Liberia. Lots of options. If you decide to do the zip line I would recommend Fly Avellanas or the Monkey2 Jungle. They are going to push Diamante relentlessly but they’re pretty expensive and there have been a lot of injuries on the Superman zip line. Lots to do here!

  • Cynthia

    Thanks! Definitely doing the catamaran. We did the hot springs by Arenal last time when we fly via San Jose and it was wonderful, but it is far since we are flying via Liberia this time. Pictures of Sensoria looked nice for waterfall swimming. Right in schedule, the weather here has switched on a dime from gorgeous to awful and I know the cold, dark, grey days are going to sink in. Can’t wait for the trip!

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    It’s comfortable for me! I have spent my whole life living un New York, Massachusetts, and Northern Illinois! Lol. My sister lives in WI and it doesn’t even need to break 70 for people to come out in shorts. I am happy as a clam with bare legs in the 60s.

    On the other hand, let it get above 85, and I will complain mightily. Above 90 and I barely want to leave my home.

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    Your internal thermostat has so much to do with what you’re used to! As a Buffalonian/Bostonian/Chicagoan, 71 is a lovely temperature for a sundress for me and I’d be quite happy if it never got above 80 unless I am very close to water I can swim in. When I backpacked in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, we had a beautiful 20C sunny day in St. John’s and I was loving it while the locals talked about it being “almost too warm.”

    On the other hand, years ago, I came home to my old apartment in Boston on a 95F day about ready to cry. And my roommate from New Orleans was…happily baking a cake in the kitchen.

  • Cynthia

    You will appreciate this bit that ran on the Rick Mercer show a few years ago during a particularly bad winter. Keep in mind that “plus 1” in Celsius is just above freezing.
    https://youtu.be/wkDvqQKGgDA

  • Cynthia

    One girl in my law school wore shorts and sandals everyday until there was snow on the ground. She had done her undergrad in Thunder Bay, north of Lake Superior, so Toronto felt like the tropics to her.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Make sure to pack an umbrella just in case. Rainy season is over by then but we do get the odd thunderstorm!

  • persephone

    I life in the SF Bay Area and it almost never gets that cold, but we’re so used to the temperature being in the upper 60s or low 70s, that mid-80s and up temperatures have us whining.

    When I lived in Nevada, it’s so dry that you can walk outside when it’s in the 50s without even a sweater.

  • elanoreirlys

    You learn something new every day! I didn’t know this was a thing. Seems like a decent solution for those who wish to dress modestly.

  • Ann

    Kim got her first taste of fame when Ray J (Brandy’s brother) released a sex tape of the two of them. After that Kris started micro managing the girls lives, plastic surgery, augmentations, and delusions of grandeur. There is not one thing that Kim does that isn’t thought out, paps notified and publicity approved.