Meme Sunday – Immodesty, Racism, Sissies and Wives Raping Husbands?

Meme Sunday – Immodesty, Racism, Sissies and Wives Raping Husbands? October 20, 2019

A couple of very odd images floating around Facebook this week. Sometimes I end up with these odd images I mean to link to a post, but never get around to. I share these when they build up in my crazy files. None of these have anything to do with each other. It’s just a random dump.

First, this one. Note that it does not mention Christ, or Christians, or any religion, but you just know it had to have come from a ministry, or pastor like Doug Wilson or Tim Bayly. It’s so bad. Many people in the Tradwife tradition self identify as Christian Evangelical. There is a lot of overlap between the white supremacists and Nazis and the world of fundamentalist Quiverfull.

Reads like it came off that racist Ayla Stewart’s old blog Wife With A Purpose. Her currently deleted blog after she was exposed as quite the little hypocrite.  Ayla was the one promoting Trad Wife in the nearly neo nazi movement.

This is the thinking behind modesty in Quiverfull. It’s rotten all the way down to the core.

Is this guy a pal of Tim Bayly and Steven Anderson? If not he should be.

There are no words!

And finally, someone not Quiverfull or likely even Evangelical, but someone doing a  180 from the words of Biblical Gender Roles Larry Solomon.

So now it’s not just men raping their wives, but wives raping husbands? Whatever happened to mutual consent, or consent in general?

Yesterday Jill Duggar Dillard’s husband finally answered a question from a year ago when someone asked him if Jim Bob Duggar got paid for the Dillards appearances on “Counting On”

I need a Tylenol or a shot of tequila after viewing these.

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  • (((J_Enigma32)))

    I’m pretty sure that the MTGOW guy there is trying to make fun of Dworkin. The irony, of course, is that a) Dworkin never said that specifically, and b) Dworkin doesn’t speak for all feminists and never has. When Dworkin said something similar to what the guy in the tweet is babbling, marital rape laws hadn’t been put in place — meaning marital rape hadn’t been recognized as a crime, so the issue of marital sex and rape was a fraught one. People seem to think those laws are a lot older than they actually are. It wasn’t until 1970 that those laws began changing, but even into the 1990s most states distinguished between martial rape and non-marital rape, and even to this day, places like South Carolina don’t consider it a serious crime, since you can only get 10 years in prison and the person has 30 days to report it before it isn’t consider valid.

    And that’s before I get into the issue of age of consent. The notion of a quiverfull woman being married in her 20s with kids is amusing. If these folks had their way, it’d be “married in her teens with children,” since 48 states allow marriage under the age of 18 with parent consent and states like Iowa have the age of consent as low as 12 and you know damn well they take full advantage of that to marry of daughters — all the while complaining that Mohammad2 was a “pedophile2.”

    Second, that tradwife meme reads like someone is really, really bitter about their love life. Given that these are often the same folk who unironically use “cuck2” assuming it’s a cutting insult instead of a screaming admission of sexual insecurities, I’m not surprise. Every accusation is an admission of some kind.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    “Every accusation is an admission of some kind.”

    You got that very right! Just look at the weird words of Doug Wilson. He’s revealing the strangest things in his accusations

  • Gussie FinkNottle

    If I didn’t know better, I would say someone is trolling poor old Doug. That sad sack of bones on the cover of his book has more in common with the Tawny Scrawny Lion than with Aslan.

  • WallofSleep

    Metrosexual? Dandy? What era does that dude live in?

  • Hannah

    Clearly I’m letting the side down, I don’t even like my country much at the moment (see the Brexit debacle and the rise in racist/xenophobic hate crimes) and my race is just something I happen to be, I’m white just like I’m short sighted or heterosexual1, I don’t really think much of it. I AM European, so that point is moot. (Although saying that out loud annoys some people.) It seems whoever did that meme really hates women that have minds of their own.

  • smrnda

    Wow, the racism in the top one isn’t even subtle.

  • Allison the Great

    Re: The picture on the left. Now, a gender studies degree can get you a job. I know someone who majored in Gender Studies who works in HR and has quite the enviable salary. Good for her. Ironically, the only person I know who looks like the woman on the left is the one who started out as the one on the right – until her marriage fell apart. She got married too young, and when she got divorced she did not know what to do with her life. She couldn’t take care of herself, she had no skills for life as a single adult and no skills for a job. Her life ended up a trash heap. The feminists I know – which is 95% of the women I know, have a pretty good grip on their lives. They are engineers, lawyers, paralegals, they have their eye on their long-term goals and they plan for their future. They don’t just leave it to others to take care of them.

  • B.E. Miller

    So Jill and Derrick, who are grown adults with a family, are not getting money from “Counting On” but Jim Bob is. That’s sooo wrong, but I can see why that would be the case in QF/CP. It’s like the kids never grow up, and are always under the father’s authority. Just like in pagan Rome….

  • Friend

    Agreed, but plenty of feminists are not in the full-time work force1 at any given time. Some do stay home with kids, some work part time and/or volunteer, some are retired.

    And some feminists are indeed taken care of by others. My various medical crises1, and all those miles driven and meals cooked by my beloved husband, did not make me less of a feminist.

    Everyone needs job skills, and it also helps to have loved ones to take up the slack without worrying that men are doing women’s work and vice versa.

  • AFo

    I need a stiff drink after reading these. Their fear of change is really damaging their kids, and they see it as a good thing.

  • Michael Neville

    None of the memes are subtle. Fanatics rarely resort to subtlety when blatant, in-your-face bigotry shows their hatred so much better.

  • Mimc

    Are we sure that second one isn’t a parady? It’s really over the top.

    As for the top one, do you think these guys realize women usually wear makeup or dye their hair because they like the way it looks? Are they dishonest or just ignorant?

  • Lucy

    Unfortunately it isn’t. I Googled it, and it’s $5.99 on Amazon.

    I figure maybe that one should be discontinued as well, right along with To Train Up a Child.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    They also ignore that shapewear exists just so us loose feminists don’t have to parade around with muffin top like that.

  • SAO

    Any American who loves their race more than their country hates America. I wish we could send them back to wherever their ancestors came from, but unfortunately Europe doesn’t want them either. Can you see Angela Merkel taking in Trump?

  • Either ten years ago or two centuries ago, apparently.

  • Mary Hannah bates

    Trump is Scottish, not German.

  • igotbanned999

    The third one looks like a parody/inversion of what some radical feminists have said. Just reverse the genders.

  • Georgia Sam

    “Evanjellycalism.” That’s cute.

  • Saraquill

    Don’t forget the queerphobia1 in the meme. I hate being told I’m lying about my orientation1 because I’m never dating an equal number of male/female/non-binary people simultaneously.

  • Saraquill

    I’m curious where that first statement puts indigenous people like myself. I have very good reasons to carry ethnic1 pride1, and dislike a 1genocide-happy country.

  • He’s both actually. Grandpa and Grandma Trump were Germans. Trump’s mom was born in Scotland.

  • Isn’t the woman on the right wearing unacceptable clothing? Her skirt isn’t long enough, and she’s wearing leggings. European roots? Hopefully her ancestors came from far enough west, or her Europeaness might be suspect. And natural hair with highlights from the sun is only acceptable if the man who runs her sect likes such things.

    Anyone else think that lion looks kind of tired and worn out? Not quite the image you’d think Giles would want for his masculine boys.

  • Magpie

    Tradwife is in her 20’s, but Liberated can be any age, I guess.

  • Martin Penwald

    Racist, sexist, homophobic… Seems the author tried to win a hate-bingo.

  • Martin Penwald

    This kind of hair comes from Gothard-the-Perv’s fantasies.

  • Jenn H

    Tradwife has to stay thin while pumping out the babies. She is proud of her European heritage but she had better be able to tan. She lives an outdoors lifestyle while homeschooling and doing all the housework. She loves her natural face so she “only” wears light makeup (no makeup is not an option). She wears modest, feminine clothing, which is really practical outdoors, and somehow still tans.

    She looks like a hippy from Byron Bay with an Instagram page, but she is a true patriotic conservative American.

  • Jim Jones

    Neither country will claim him.

  • Hannah

    Exactly, the Scots hate him, I don’t think the Germans are too keen either (at least not the sensible ones.)

  • Jim Jones

    I widna waste good haggis on him!

    Nor good schnitzel!

  • Donna in Texas

    They think they are trolling the libs. It gives their meaningless lives meaning.

  • Friend

    The problem is lack of equivalents due to white supremacy1 sucking1 all the air out of the room since forever. I have plenty of pride and humility about my heritage from 8 countries (likely some Native American plus seven European nations), but would never claim “white pride.”

    When “white pride” comes up (RARELY thank heaven), my solution is to go straight to the complicated part: Yeah, my family has been here since the early 1600s, and let’s talk about those witch trials, and attempts to have slavery in New England.

  • Ingeborg Nordén

    I’m a happily unmarried, childfree asexual…who hates the thought of getting inked, has skin too sensitive for makeup, and wears whatever feels comfortable. I have aborted only one baby (not black, and the result of an actual ra‌pe); the incident was over 20 years ago. And I avoid dating altogether, let alone the promiscuous s‌ex that this meme-writer thinks I have. *grrr*

    P.S. My college degree was in Scandinavian studies, not anything gender-related. If my worsening health hadn’t kept me from qualifying for grad school, and then from working at all… I’d be earning much more than minimum wage, teaching Swedish!

  • Jenn H

    The hair thing is oddly specific. Who ever created this seems to think the ideal Tradwife lives somewhere sunny and on the coast.

  • Polytropos

    All right Mrs Tradwife, let’s talk aesthetics. Because the subculture that brought us nasty jumpers, denim skirts, thrift store nightmares, modesty tee shirts, and crunchy Duggar curls has no business making comments about anyone else’s fashion choices.

  • KittyKat

    Okay, this meme is not just awful- it’s irredeemable. The traditional woman looks pretty. But why does this cute drawing woman need to be in this? There are tons of people that look like tradwife and are feminists too. Even the feminists that are stay at home moms and happen to look like that. I hate how they think the ideal woman must to be a Stepford wife. There is no room for a feminist stay at home mom who calls out her husband and other men if need be.

    I hate the stereotyping of modern day feminism. It’s like she is an SJW caricature- f@t, unconventional hair color, 5lutty, thinks white guys are “basic”, probably lying about being bi, of course she’s had an abortion- they all have. Most of the gang is here. Only thing they missed is her yelling at cis guys about how terrible they are. The judgemental attitude makes me sick. Mind your own d@mn business!

    They are barely trying to hide the racism. This is a referee whistle not a dog whistle. It would be a bullhorn if they started talking about turning the US and Europe into white ethno-states and out-breeding non-whites. If you know anything about N@z1 Germany, they had the same standards. They were health-crazed, they thought women were made to be stay at home broodmares for the state, obsessed with traditional gender roles period, focused on strengthening the state and of course- obsessed with their whiteness. Only difference is that Quiverfull claims that everyone is equal under God’s eye- while white supremacists are upfront about their racist views.

    Other than that, the guy claiming that marriage is r_pe of men, a tool of “the matriarchy” and physical intimacy in marriage is not consensual sounds exactly like the same thing an extremist feminist would say. That type of extremist feminist advocates for “political lesb1an1sm”. Which means separating women from their male oppressors and liberating women from the yoke of patriarchy through segregation. They hated marriage too. I myself think marriage is a dated relic that has a terrible history but seems to have a promising future. I think marriage should not have the privilege it does- but whatever. Sometimes with the misogyny running around like this dunderhead- political lesb1an1sm sounds tempting. But it is a horrible idea that says that you shouldn’t “act out” your sexuality and promotes segregation. And also I remember that not all men use women and think women should cater to all men’s needs/wants or think feminists are ungrateful, angry man-haters or think all women are evil witches that need to be defeated or want segregation from women. I think that men just need to do better and fight these attitudes. I still believe they can.

  • Martin Penwald

    By the way, patriarcal culture, and especially the fundamentalist version the first meme appeals to, imposes women to look young, which in particular forces women to hide their grey hairs. Which is done by dyeing them.

  • smrnda

    The whole notion of a ‘white race’ was just cooked up to justify imperialism.

  • Jen (*.*)

    I’m beginning to think that Russia is behind a lot of these. There are strong ties between the two countries when it comes to fundamentalism. has done a lot of research on the topic. More links:

  • Ann

    You forgot to add “White American”….it says stays true to her race.

  • persephone

    I get sick of all the people screaming STEM STEM STEM! Yeah, sure, we need more women in stem, but the soft sciences can be lucrative. Companies need librarians (they don’t just manage books) and historians and English majors.

    Some guy online was saying that women don’t really want to work hard because they didn’t go into coal mining or brick laying. The thought that those are dying fields, and one of them can kill2 you within a few years, doesn’t even occur to him.

    They’re finding terrible cases of black lung in miners that are disabling and killing them in their 30s. It turns out that the current mining requires digging deep into poor veins, and the mines are full of silica, which is destroying their lungs.

  • persephone

    I’m descended from the early colonizers, and it’s good to remember that we came in and destroyed existing nations, to the point of genocide, to take what we wanted. I do take a small amount of pride in my ancestors who fought in the American Revolution, and I respect the women who came over and somehow managed to survive and raise families.

  • Allison the Great

    I would honestly kill2 to be an historian, to teach history at university level. So far I only have an Associate of Arts degree. I was able to get a good job with that. This job has plenty of room for growth. I worry that not having a BA or BS will make it to where I can only advance so far and then stop. So far I don’t know if my company provides tuition reimbursement (I’ve been with them 5 months). I would love to go back to school and keep studying. Until then I just have to satisfy myself by buying history books. Sigh.

    And those guys who say women don’t want to work hard can go fuck20 themselves. I unloaded trucks. At night, for years! He can STFU.

  • Raging Bee

    It’s more a parody/inversion of what men SAY radical feminists have said.

  • igotbanned999

    Na, they actually exist and have said that stuff. You can find quotes of it on some sites like FSTDT.

    But there are some people who try to claim that those ideas are mainstream feminism when they are fringe.

  • Cynthia

    Could be. I know that the Russia Insider site is full of r@cist stuff.

  • Raging Bee

    Citations required. I’ve heard such claims about (most popular feminazi boogeybitch) Andrea Dworkin; and I’ve also heard those claims refuted by people who point out that her words, right or wrong, were seriously distorted and misrepresented by the MRAs.

  • Cynthia

    The Russians are actually willing to exploit any group or cause – the aim is to weaken the US and allow them to dominate.

    So, they will have trolls spread horrific racist and homophobic stuff…but also run fake Black Lives Matter stuff.

    We are being played.

  • Cynthia

    It is an over-simplified summary of parts of Dworkin, with genders reversed.

    Of course, the whole “matriarchy” doesn’t exist except in some imagination of some MRA dudes. Dworkin published Intercourse in 1987. She is writing in a context where the whole idea that a married woman might have a legal right to refuse intercourse was new and radical, as was the idea that domestic violence was a serious issue that required attention from government.

    These ideas still get pushback today – just look at stuff from Lori Alexander or the treatment of Sheila Gregoire when she tried to raise the issue of abuse with people she thought were her supporters at Focus On The Family.

    IN THAT CONTEXT, Dworkin was arguing that society wasn’t defining intercourse as a mutual experience, but was pretty much assuming domination and coercion.

    There isn’t anything remotely similar going on in reverse.

  • Jen (*.*)

    It’s the main reason I deleted my FaceBook account. Pretty much everyone I knew was pushing false info via memes. It’s awful to see.

  • igotbanned999
  • Raging Bee

    Who the 69fuck are those commenters? Certainly none of the radical feminists I’ve read or heard anything about.

  • igotbanned999

    So because you’ve never heard of them, they don’t exist?

  • Raging Bee

    Are they leaders of any sort of movement or school of thought, or are they just loonies posting on blogs? I was asking about the former type, not the latter.

  • igotbanned999

    Whereas I was referring to the latter.