I’m pretty sure that the MTGOW guy there is trying to make fun of Dworkin. The irony, of course, is that a) Dworkin never said that specifically, and b) Dworkin doesn’t speak for all feminists and never has. When Dworkin said something similar to what the guy in the tweet is babbling, marital rape laws hadn’t been put in place — meaning marital rape hadn’t been recognized as a crime, so the issue of marital sex and rape was a fraught one. People seem to think those laws are a lot older than they actually are. It wasn’t until 1970 that those laws began changing, but even into the 1990s most states distinguished between martial rape and non-marital rape, and even to this day, places like South Carolina don’t consider it a serious crime, since you can only get 10 years in prison and the person has 30 days to report it before it isn’t consider valid.

And that’s before I get into the issue of age of consent. The notion of a quiverfull woman being married in her 20s with kids is amusing. If these folks had their way, it’d be “married in her teens with children,” since 48 states allow marriage under the age of 18 with parent consent and states like Iowa have the age of consent as low as 12 and you know damn well they take full advantage of that to marry of daughters — all the while complaining that Mohammad2 was a “pedophile2.”

Second, that tradwife meme reads like someone is really, really bitter about their love life. Given that these are often the same folk who unironically use “cuck2” assuming it’s a cutting insult instead of a screaming admission of sexual insecurities, I’m not surprise. Every accusation is an admission of some kind.

If I didn’t know better, I would say someone is trolling poor old Doug. That sad sack of bones on the cover of his book has more in common with the Tawny Scrawny Lion than with Aslan.

Clearly I’m letting the side down, I don’t even like my country much at the moment (see the Brexit debacle and the rise in racist/xenophobic hate crimes) and my race is just something I happen to be, I’m white just like I’m short sighted or heterosexual1, I don’t really think much of it. I AM European, so that point is moot. (Although saying that out loud annoys some people.) It seems whoever did that meme really hates women that have minds of their own.

Re: The picture on the left. Now, a gender studies degree can get you a job. I know someone who majored in Gender Studies who works in HR and has quite the enviable salary. Good for her. Ironically, the only person I know who looks like the woman on the left is the one who started out as the one on the right – until her marriage fell apart. She got married too young, and when she got divorced she did not know what to do with her life. She couldn’t take care of herself, she had no skills for life as a single adult and no skills for a job. Her life ended up a trash heap. The feminists I know – which is 95% of the women I know, have a pretty good grip on their lives. They are engineers, lawyers, paralegals, they have their eye on their long-term goals and they plan for their future. They don’t just leave it to others to take care of them.

Agreed, but plenty of feminists are not in the full-time work force1 at any given time. Some do stay home with kids, some work part time and/or volunteer, some are retired.

And some feminists are indeed taken care of by others. My various medical crises1, and all those miles driven and meals cooked by my beloved husband, did not make me less of a feminist.

Everyone needs job skills, and it also helps to have loved ones to take up the slack without worrying that men are doing women’s work and vice versa.

None of the memes are subtle. Fanatics rarely resort to subtlety when blatant, in-your-face bigotry shows their hatred so much better.

Unfortunately it isn’t. I Googled it, and it’s $5.99 on Amazon.

I figure maybe that one should be discontinued as well, right along with To Train Up a Child.

Any American who loves their race more than their country hates America. I wish we could send them back to wherever their ancestors came from, but unfortunately Europe doesn’t want them either. Can you see Angela Merkel taking in Trump?

Trump is Scottish, not German.

“Evanjellycalism.” That’s cute.

I’m curious where that first statement puts indigenous people like myself. I have very good reasons to carry ethnic1 pride1, and dislike a 1genocide-happy country.

Isn’t the woman on the right wearing unacceptable clothing? Her skirt isn’t long enough, and she’s wearing leggings. European roots? Hopefully her ancestors came from far enough west, or her Europeaness might be suspect. And natural hair with highlights from the sun is only acceptable if the man who runs her sect likes such things.

Anyone else think that lion looks kind of tired and worn out? Not quite the image you’d think Giles would want for his masculine boys.

Racist, sexist, homophobic… Seems the author tried to win a hate-bingo.

Tradwife has to stay thin while pumping out the babies. She is proud of her European heritage but she had better be able to tan. She lives an outdoors lifestyle while homeschooling and doing all the housework. She loves her natural face so she “only” wears light makeup (no makeup is not an option). She wears modest, feminine clothing, which is really practical outdoors, and somehow still tans.

She looks like a hippy from Byron Bay with an Instagram page, but she is a true patriotic conservative American.

Exactly, the Scots hate him, I don’t think the Germans are too keen either (at least not the sensible ones.)

They think they are trolling the libs. It gives their meaningless lives meaning.

I’m a happily unmarried, childfree asexual…who hates the thought of getting inked, has skin too sensitive for makeup, and wears whatever feels comfortable. I have aborted only one baby (not black, and the result of an actual ra‌pe); the incident was over 20 years ago. And I avoid dating altogether, let alone the promiscuous s‌ex that this meme-writer thinks I have. *grrr*

P.S. My college degree was in Scandinavian studies, not anything gender-related. If my worsening health hadn’t kept me from qualifying for grad school, and then from working at all… I’d be earning much more than minimum wage, teaching Swedish!

All right Mrs Tradwife, let’s talk aesthetics. Because the subculture that brought us nasty jumpers, denim skirts, thrift store nightmares, modesty tee shirts, and crunchy Duggar curls has no business making comments about anyone else’s fashion choices.

By the way, patriarcal culture, and especially the fundamentalist version the first meme appeals to, imposes women to look young, which in particular forces women to hide their grey hairs. Which is done by dyeing them.

I’m beginning to think that Russia is behind a lot of these. There are strong ties between the two countries when it comes to fundamentalism. cstroop.com has done a lot of research on the topic. More links:

https://thinkprogress.org/religious-right-russia-3e80e2ea2e4a/
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15182275.america-in-the-shadow-of-russia/
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/how-russia-became-a-leader-of-the-worldwide-christian-right-214755

I get sick of all the people screaming STEM STEM STEM! Yeah, sure, we need more women in stem, but the soft sciences can be lucrative. Companies need librarians (they don’t just manage books) and historians and English majors.

Some guy online was saying that women don’t really want to work hard because they didn’t go into coal mining or brick laying. The thought that those are dying fields, and one of them can kill2 you within a few years, doesn’t even occur to him.

They’re finding terrible cases of black lung in miners that are disabling and killing them in their 30s. It turns out that the current mining requires digging deep into poor veins, and the mines are full of silica, which is destroying their lungs.

I would honestly kill2 to be an historian, to teach history at university level. So far I only have an Associate of Arts degree. I was able to get a good job with that. This job has plenty of room for growth. I worry that not having a BA or BS will make it to where I can only advance so far and then stop. So far I don’t know if my company provides tuition reimbursement (I’ve been with them 5 months). I would love to go back to school and keep studying. Until then I just have to satisfy myself by buying history books. Sigh.

And those guys who say women don’t want to work hard can go fuck20 themselves. I unloaded trucks. At night, for years! He can STFU.

Na, they actually exist and have said that stuff. You can find quotes of it on some sites like FSTDT.

But there are some people who try to claim that those ideas are mainstream feminism when they are fringe.

Citations required. I’ve heard such claims about (most popular feminazi boogeybitch) Andrea Dworkin; and I’ve also heard those claims refuted by people who point out that her words, right or wrong, were seriously distorted and misrepresented by the MRAs.

It is an over-simplified summary of parts of Dworkin, with genders reversed.

Of course, the whole “matriarchy” doesn’t exist except in some imagination of some MRA dudes. Dworkin published Intercourse in 1987. She is writing in a context where the whole idea that a married woman might have a legal right to refuse intercourse was new and radical, as was the idea that domestic violence was a serious issue that required attention from government.

These ideas still get pushback today – just look at stuff from Lori Alexander or the treatment of Sheila Gregoire when she tried to raise the issue of abuse with people she thought were her supporters at Focus On The Family.

IN THAT CONTEXT, Dworkin was arguing that society wasn’t defining intercourse as a mutual experience, but was pretty much assuming domination and coercion.

There isn’t anything remotely similar going on in reverse.

https://fstdt.com/SP25#comments
https://fstdt.com/6D45#comments
https://fstdt.com/L.45#comments
https://fstdt.com/X2B6#comments

They are not hard to find.

So because you’ve never heard of them, they don’t exist?

Whereas I was referring to the latter.