Father Covering Just a Weird Tradition? Sunday Roundup

Father Covering Just a Weird Tradition? Sunday Roundup January 5, 2020
The one time I tried the ‘weird tradition’ of the Costa Rican bullfight. They don’t kill the bulls, there is copious drinking involved, and sometimes someone gets trampled.

Here’s the second part of yesterday’s posting on young women working and earning. This question deals with the idea that an unmarried girl is under her father’s complete authority, his ‘covering’. Debi Pearl, again, gives a not entirely toxic answer to this question in No Greater Joy magazine.  She even named this article “Weird Traditions”

This first paragraph is what Lori Alexander of The Transformed Wife was objecting to in her secretive chat room.

Did Debi just admit that they might have actually been wrong about a few things?

Wow, this is pretty liberal advice for anyone connected to the Pearls to be giving. I have to wonder if perhaps Debi is subcontracting out the writing of her articles to someone else at the ministry because this just does not sound like her at all. A single woman learning to stand on her own financial feet just runs counter to everything they’ve been teaching for many years now.

But then we end up here.

I cannot help but think of the girls that going to be tormented by Debi Pearl is vastly preferable to the circumstances at home. Of girls like Jill and David Rodrigues’ daughters who went to work for Debi, and came home unmarried. At least it’s likely that they were fed adequately at Debi’s house. Notice that every single time a child from that family goes out to college, or a ministry away from momma and daddy they end up looking far healthier. Which illustrates another huge problem in Quiverfull, people who have more children than they can possibly feed adequate amounts of food.

Photos of one of the built in “cribs” with a closing lid in the Rodrigues motor home. Likely this violates any number of child welfare laws.

After I put this post together it emerged that hate pastor and lead jerk at Faithful Word Baptist Church – Steven Anderson is officially blaming the devastating Australian wild fires sweeping that nation on his being banned by the government. As if Steven had that type of actual spiritual power instead of just blind hatred. It’s disgusting to even hint that victims are responsible for the horrid things that happen to them.

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  • Friend

    We have lived long enough to see several of these “things” arise, and maybe we even invented a few along the way. Sorry to whoever for whatever in case we are guilty.

    Zowie, what an admission! Is she actually saying that they sat around the kitchen table deciding to tell people to rip phones out of their children’s hands? I would like her to list the inventions.

  • Friend

    I would also like some proof that “lost souls” phoned the offices of No Greater Joy and heard the Gospel.

    This is America! This is planet Earth! Everybody has heard the Gospel!

  • Saraquill

    Debi saying Michael lacks wisdom? It must be a ghost writer.

  • AFo

    Debi sounding semi-reasonable? Is she finally realizing that wanting other women to share her misery is toxic and unhealthy? Is she finally acknowledging that none of her three daughters is successful by any objective measure? I can’t help but wonder.

    Steven is Steven. This is how he tries to stay relevant.

  • Jennifer

    They disagreed with parents ruling over adult children years ago though. It was an interesting deviation from QF.

  • Friend

    Re Steven Anderson, my high school youth group taught us that alienating1 people was proof that we were preaching Truth.

    Even as a teen, I did realize there’s more than one way to alienate1 people… That logic is like “My dog is brown, your dog is brown, therefore my dog is your dog.”

  • Mary Hannah bates

    It sounds like Debi is realizing that too many young women are stuck at home without prospects for marriage. The (crap2 what was the name of that movement where daughteers stay home until married) thing a ma bob isn’t working as planned. They are apologizing to those that kept their daughters home and un-college educated and got nothing in return.

  • When Pearl and Gothard got together to decry Vision Forum’s version of Patriarchy:
    (a.k.a. “Patriarchy– you’re doing it wrong.”

    PART I
    https://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/the-balanced-patriarch/

    PART II
    https://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/patriarchal-dysfunctional-families-part-2/

  • Anderson doesn’t surprise me: remember what Pat Robertson said ten years ago after the Haiti earthquake, how he blamed the victims?

  • Whitney Currie

    Steven Anderson is the reason I avoid going to Tempe on Sundays. He’s also enjoying the suffering of innocent Australians entirely to much to meet minimum standards for being a decent human being; to say nothing of making his version of God sound like a spoiled brat.

  • DoctorDJ

    “Which illustrates another huge problem in Quiverfull, people who have more children than they can possibly feed adequate amounts of food.”

    Steven Anderson’s wife, Zsuzsanna, was uppity enough to start blogging on her own (when she wasn’t busy taking care of Steven’s 11 kids).
    https://stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/
    There she “cheerfully” describes how she puts food into the mouths of that many kids on Stevie’s pastor salary.

  • Jenn H

    Hey Steven, you’re welcome to come back and preach the gospel to us if you want… *sharpens bowie knife*

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Robertson also blamed Hurricane Katrina on the residents of New Orleans being too sinful in his eyes. It’s his M.O. too, but he’s not usually as asinine and gleeful about it as Anderson.

  • otrame

    Anderson is doing great work making Christianity look so very very awful. I applaud him. Keep it up, Stevie, you’re doing a great job killing Christianity.

  • Karen the rock whisperer

    Side note, but i get really, really irritated at employers referring to young women employees as girls. My mother had a tendency to talk about “the girls in the office”, meaning women employees of many ages, and my mother-in-law still does. I find it incredibly belittling.

  • Jennny

    But she also boasted she locks fridges and food cabinets and had found stashes of food around the house hidden by her kids. What kind of 69monster does that? Denies food to your growing family? Oh wait….
    I think she’s so scared of overspending on the housekeeping, she has to be strict with food…Stevie is so 69vile in public, I can’t imagine he’s all sweetness and light to her.

  • Nea

    Yet… they say that AND Mike-Mike brags about how his grown children are completely conditioned by him.

    I think it’s more a case they didn’t want the kids home because they couldn’t keep feeding them. They’ve never had as much money as they claimed.

  • Anri

    It’s one of those things I’m trying to train out of my speech.

    (It’s not that I’m old, per se, I’m just at that time of life when I sometimes feel a bit out of step with —

    Ah, heck with it, I’m old.)

  • Connie Beane

    Hear, hear! I’ve been thoughtfully training myself for decades to remove from my vocabulary the unconscious racial, sexual and/or ethnic slurs I learned at my parents’ knees seventy-plus years ago. I started with racial slurs, because I was reared in the Deep South and (through no merit of my own) acquired a friend of color. I was determined never to hurt her or give her any reason to be ashamed of being my friend, so out went “those words.” Amazingly, this not only cleaned up my mouth, but over time it changed the way I look at people. Then I decided that it was patronizing to refer to females over 18 as “girls” or even “ladies”; grown men aren’t called “boys” or “gents.” We are women, equal, independent, and adults. Then it was on to gays, and attitude change was getting easier. And it started getting easier for me to speak up when other people used slurs.

    Words have power. What we call ourselves or other people matters. It changes things.

  • Friend

    Agreed. However, I would not put it past these folks to be hiring actual girls, in their mid teens, with the aim of marrying them off before they Get Any Ideas.

  • Tawreos

    But hiring them would let them see outside of the home and might actually give them ideas.

  • Friend

    Now there ya go being logical again! 😉

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    Feed the kids once and a while so they don’t run off the first chance they get! 😉

  • Tawreos

    I think it may be closer to say that they feed the kids often enough to keep CPS from showing up at the house.

  • Jennifer

    I think the word gentlemen is still used pretty commonly.

  • Jennifer

    I agreed with most of Michael’s take, but pointed out to him that Gothard wasn’t reliable. Even I didn’t know back then that the 2joke of a man was behind just about all of it.

  • Jennifer

    Oh yeah, he bragged about picking her up and carrying her where he wanted her to be, just to show he could.

  • Connie Beane

    There’s a difference between “gent” and “gentleman” (although it too can be used ironically). The former is a diminutive that “talks down” to the object, and that is the sense in which I used it, just as the term “ladies” is sometimes used by males (even waiters, who are technically subordinate to the diners they serve) to subtly demote adult females to a status between children and “real” grownups.

  • Ally

    Nothing in return except a live-in nanny, cook, and housekeeper whom they never have to pay. So, basically, homegrown domestic slaves. I’m surprised that Debi recognized that that was the real purpose of the stay-at-home daughters movement.

  • abb3w

    FWIW, the notion of “covering” seems likely derived from the historical common-law concept of “coverture”, which arose with regard to married women circa the high middle ages, probably rooting in Christian doctrines regarding the unification of marriage (and the subordination of women). Extending it further to unmarried daughters seems likely a variation rooted in the same, plus the (not exclusively) Roman-rooted concept of children as effectively being property of the father.

    The SCOTUS considered coverture as “peculiar and obsolete” in the 1960s, but did not strike it down then. The 1981 case of Kirchberg v. Feenstra did not address it directly, but the scope of the ruling probably also invalidated any coverture laws.

  • persephone

    “Stay at Home Daughters: SAHD. Which is sad.

  • persephone

    They might get ideas if Debi weren’t such a psycho. As it is, they probably welcome a marriage offer or a chance to return home.

  • persephone

    We did a real breakdown on that here several months ago. Zsu feeds them leftover birthday cake and desserts in the morning. There’s minimal protein in the meals. The kids all look pale and tired.

    The Rodrigues kids show signs of malnutrition.

    Almost all the Duggar girls are having pregnancy issues, which could be related to the poor diet they had growing up.

    The kids are fed high simple carb/low protein diets. Many of them probably aren’t getting the fat2 they need as babies and toddlers to develop their brains. Starch is filling and cheap, and that’s what their diets are based on.

  • persephone

    Hidden food stashes indicate food insecurity.

    Steve doesn’t make much from his ministry, so he has a bunch of side gigs, but I can’t imagine it being easy to feed that many people on a low income.

  • persephone

    The coverture extending to daughters is probably related to the purity system, as well as related to the father effectively owning his children. Can’t have the girls risking breaking their hymen2, when their only real value is being able to have children.

  • Jennny

    Yup, she has to show god’s abundant provision as proof that her marriage is made in heaven and she has a superior teaching role to the rest of us. She touts her books/advice/vids on curricula, cookery and handicrafts (whilst b/feeding baby number umpteen). She can’t possibly have enough hours in the day to do that without using most of her kids as house-slaves.