A Girl’s Virginity is a Father’s Possession?

A Girl’s Virginity is a Father’s Possession? December 9, 2019

Creepy Larry Solomon of Biblical Gender Roles never met a forced sex scenario he didn’t like, unless it takes something he considers his. Like a daughter’s virginity. He thinks it’s his possession, like the car, or a bank account, to sell, or grant where he thinks fit.

No, Larry, no, back, back! (imaginarily whacking the heck out of his nose with a rolled up newspaper like a cartoon dog) Bad Larry, bad Larry!! Virginity is merely a social construct.

No one owns anything to do with another independent living breathing human being! Slavery ended back in the 1860s in the United States. This is one of those ideas that should have died with it.

Women are not ‘property’. You cannot legally own any part of their being. Not their virginity, not their bodies, de nada! What Larry is pushing here directly contradicts the U.S. Constitution and established law on the matter. People cannot own other people without violating laws against slavery.

If a woman decides to stay a virgin until death or sleep with everyone in the Chinese Red Army it is fully not the business of anyone but her and those she issues sexual consent to. Not her father.

Interestingly enough his entire piece is decrying the evils of prostitution because it’s always a sin in Larry boy’s eyes. Which opens another big old can of Larry worms.

Larry approves of pornography, but not a sex worker getting paid for sex. Does he not realize that those people participating in pornography are not sleeping with their spouses and they are getting paid? Two big no-nos in the simplistic horny world of Larry the hairy man.

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  • Martin Penwald

    This discourse is so vile and absurd it desserves only contempt:

    https://youtu.be/7pzs0aGu1fU

  • Jim Jones

    At their core, these people are driven by fear. As a result, they want too many rules for themselves, and then for us.

  • Astreja

    This is so beyond the pale that the imaginary newspaper needs to be a tightly-rolled weekend Times launched from a laser-guided trebuchet.

  • Tawreos

    If a woman decides to stay a virgin2 until death or sleep with everyone in the Chinese Red Army it is fully not the business of anyone but her and those she issues sexual consent to.

    Don’t ask me how I know, but the Chinese Red Army will not allow a foreigner to try this. =)

  • Delta

    You say “rules for themselves,” but I don’t see ‘Larry’ imposing that many rules on himself or fellow men.

    Authoritarianism thrives on fear, yes, but also control. Larry’s rules are attempts to control women while maximizing what he is allowed to do.

  • Friend

    Larry asks and answers, “Why did God not require the father to give his daughter in marriage to the man that seduced1 her? Because she was his to give.”

    Having not lived in ancient times, I can nevertheless imagine other reasons. 1) If a guy wanted to marry a woman or girl, all he would have to do is r@pe1 her. 2) Even ancient fathers probably wanted to look beyond virginity1 to define their own interests and their daughters’ interests. 3) People in love do all sorts of things to stay together, and a daughter might independently decide to allow herself to be seduced1. Or the guy might be a real cad1… or both people might be ridiculously impulsive, or clearly ill suited, or one might be a con artist… or, or, or.

    So I am seeing a teensy bit of real-world flexibility in the ancient law as expressed by Larry. A hint of admission that it’s OK for a father to assess a situation instead of taking only one specific action. That is not the same as ownership.

    I’m guessing that some ancient dads would view Larry as quite the primitive.

  • AFo

    Is Larry in a contest with himself to see if/how he can be any more wrong about things? I really hope his daughter gets out of there. I’m wondering if Larry was inspired by T.I’s recent interview in which he bragged about dragging his 18-year-old daughter to the gynecologist2 to have her hymen2 checked, and decided he had to try to one-up the awfulness somehow.

  • Raging Bee

    One could read that as “The father is responsible for his daughter’s welfare (when she’s a minor in his care at least), so it’s his choice.”

  • Clancy

    How do you know this?

  • HematitePersuasion

    So Larry, tell me, is a daughter’s virginity personal property, or real property? Is it a liquid asset, or fixed? How consistent is this delusion, anyway?

  • Saraquill

    I hope he has no children. If he does, I hope they all have restraining orders.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I forgot to figure in depreciation too!

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    He has a teenage daughter and four grown sons

  • Allison the Great

    After you hit 30 virginity doesn’t exist. It’s more of a “hmmmm I was kind of a gray-sexual before so no I never tried that before, but I am open to it”

  • Tawreos

    I asked….for a friend.

  • Saraquill

    Expletive.

  • Iain Lovejoy

    [@#£%ing nannybot]

  • Iain Lovejoy

    Yahey, Bible pedantry:
    It wasn’t women’s bodies that were the commodity, but their work. Women working in the home were a productive, valuable asset, and when they got married they generally went to live in their husband’s father’s household (since a young man getting married would be still living at home) and the money is compensation to the bride’s father for the loss of a productive pair of hands to the husband’s father’s household. (In later times, when the husband would be older and have his own home, the bride’s father would usually be expected to give the bulk of the bride price to his daughter as a wedding gift so she had assets of her own.)
    Hebrew has two words for unmarried women / girls “Almah” and “Bethulah”. As I understand it, “Almah” refers to a young unmarried woman of marriageable age (who nevertheless would normally until betrothed be expected to be a ‮nigriv‬), while “Bethulah”, apparently from a root word meaning “separated”, specifically means a ‮nigriv‬. It is “Bethulah” which is used here, not “Almah” which suggests to me a girl (rather than woman) whose father regarded as not yet ready to marry (if she were, as it were, in the market for a husband, what we would have is an elopement, not a seduction).
    The point of the thing is the opposite of Larry’s point – the girl is not the father’s property but in his care: the father can either make the man properly marry the daughter he has seduced, or, if the father thinks marrying inappropriate, compensation is paid for the man’s humiliating her and the loss of her marriage prospects. The law is there to stop the seducer getting off scot free by disingenuously offering a marriage the father who, for the sake of his daughter, will not accept.

  • abb3w

    No one owns anything to do with another independent living breathing human being!

    Parents seem to own naming rights over their children, although commercial sale of such tends to cause a modest uproar. Note here.

    What Larry is pushing here directly contradicts the U.S. Constitution and established law on the matter.

    But it does appear consistent with the historical legal framework that the Bible depicts.

    His apparent implied advocacy of continued use of such framework does not quite appear to rise to criminal sedition, yet.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    You haven’t seen the other stuff he’s said, like rape your wife if she says no but do not look on her crying face as you rape her. His thoughts on selling a daughter to another man, and other things that do violate much established law in the U.S. He believes in literal slavery of darker skinned people.

  • Clint McInnes

    His name may be ‘Solomon’. His wisdom certainly isn’t.

  • Chris Hogue

    Slavery ended back in the 1860s in the United States.

    Based on an actual reading the law, one might consider this propaganda!

  • persephone

    It’s actually Harriman

  • persephone

    Jacob had to work 14 years to pay the bride price for his two wives. When he met Rachel, she was working, caring for the flocks. I assume that Leah was also working.

  • persephone

    He’s a horrifying person. He’s an incel9 with a wife.

  • Clint McInnes

    … is that so? Huh. So he’s CLAIMING wisdom that isn’t his. Why am I not shocked?

  • Jennifer

    I normally would have commented earlier, but honestly not even sure I can find the words. Too much 1rage and 2disgust. Deserves to be cast out of society.

  • persephone

    He didn’t want to be outed for the crimes he’s committed that he brags about in his blog.

  • Pink Fleur

    MANY Christian men fixate on their daughter’s vaginas. It sounds like they go to sleep thinking about their daughters vaginas and wake up thinking about their daughters vaginas. I had a christian father growing up and I wish I hadn’t.

  • Raging Bee

    I heard someone say that all those good Christian fathers LOVE ogling each other’s daughters at “purity balls.” Either way, definitely an unhealthy obsession.

  • Habes Nicht

    She’s probably too busy slaving for her brothers as a “helpmeet in training” to ever have the time to figure out a way to escape.

  • texassa

    [Some] people will use any fuzzy logic or contradictory theology to justify their own wants and views. I’m not impressed.

  • texassa

    FYI, “de nada” means “you’re welcome.” Nada simply means nothing.