Everything Christmas is Demonic But so is Deliverance Ministry!

Everything Christmas is Demonic But so is Deliverance Ministry! December 10, 2019
Awwww! Does this guy look ‘demonic’ to you? If so you clearly have problems.

Ho ho ho! Merry Christmas!  It’s that special time of the year when Evangelicals and Fundamentalists lose their minds and say they’re somehow being stopped from celebrating their holiday by Starbucks cups and people not saying their preferred greeting. The Mercedes company might say it’s the season of giving, but from here it looks more like the season of verklempting. And you thought people were upset over that goofy Peloton ad (as dissected by The Young Turks along with other bad Christmas gifts.)

Found this lady late last night through NLQ friend Bruce Gerencser. He’s quoted a little bit of this woman, Beth, saying that Santa was Satan. She completely ignored the fact that Santa Claus in his more modern incarnations is descended from Catholic saint, St. Nicholas, who did work a pile of miracles, was known for his devotion to children and gift giving. All good things, not demonic like this Beth claims. Bruce happens to look a little bit like good St. Nick too. Not a bad thing.

As I read through Beth’s piece on why Christmas symbolism is  Teh Evilz I didn’t know if I should laugh or cry. A few selections:

What the creamed corn on crackers did I just read here? Is anyone really worshiping ‘Baby Jesus’? This is one of those outrageous claims without one teeny-tiny grain of truth. Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ, it’s hard not to think of a tiny baby when celebrating the birth of the messiah, the whole darn shooting match the entire religious is based upon.

Lady, what did a silly old tree ever do to you?

So the tree is a Pagan symbol co-opted by the religion. Christianity has always done this, taken the things or the world or other religions and incorporated them into the whole Christian experience.

And what is so wrong about sharing special times and reminiscing with family. Not a thing.

Funny that the author does not mention one of the ills of Christian Christmas that does need to change, the mindless rampant consumerism and all the ills that proceed from that. Has she seen “What Would Jesus Buy?” It changed our family mindset on the entire process of what Christmas is and what needs to happen. Shorter version, fewer more meaningful gifts and spending special family time together. I know, I know, i keep bringing that film up.

Looking at the rest of this woman’s blog is even more disturbing. Remember last week when I was posting uneducated self-blaming pap from the Set Free Ministries claiming to heal depression with deliverance ministry?

Yes, this woman is one of those Evangelicals, she runs some sort of toxic shame it, name it, blame it ‘deliverance ministries’ and is not shy about blaming many things that have nothing to do with demons on demons.

This is what happens when you have a gullible, very uneducated and quite frankly, not very smart group of people. You get these types of ministries pop up, where they claim to be setting people free, but are actually perpetuating the problems of others by not referring them to get complete physicals from their doctors and legitimate help from licensed counselors. They take on the idiotic conceit that they know better than people with years of training and state oversight, and people die.

Ministries like this routinely convince bipolars and schizophrenics to toss their lithium and depacote for prayer. Eventually the wheels come off the bus because this type of therapy is very inappropriate  for mental health sufferers and people land in an even deeper pit of despair.  Unmedicated, filled with the self-loathing promoted by people like Beth, and at the nadir of pain they many times end up killing themselves.

This is a type of ministry with a body count.

Remember I spoke of my husband and I being told that the other one was cheating at that Wilmington, North Carolina deliverance ministry even if it wasn’t true? I think about that one a great deal. If we hadn’t have been married for many years, trusted each other, and knew each other well that information would have killed our marriage stone cold dead. Another series of deaths connected to these ‘ministries’

The Beths of this world like to rant about the enemy coming to steal, kill and destroy, but he does not even have to lift a finger. Beth and pals are doing it on their own just fine without demonic help.

I am beginning to think the  only way to shut down this nonsense is by doing what M. Dolan Hickmon suggested doing to the spanking ministries recently. Sue them for the damage they do. I do know now that some people are starting to do that, sue these deliverance ministries for the damaging snake oil nature of what they do. The real life damage they wreak on hapless people in pain. The place Jim and I went has had to change names three times now due to law suits filed against them over the damage done by their deliverance ministries.

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Suzanne Titkemeyer went from a childhood in Louisiana to a life lived in the shadow of Washington D.C. For many years she worked in the field of social work, from national licensure to working hands on in a children's residential treatment center. Suzanne has been involved with helping the plights of women and children' in religious bondage. She is a ordained Stephen's Minister with many years of counseling experience. Now she's retired to be a full time beach bum in Tamarindo, Costa Rica with the monkeys and iguanas. She is also a thalassophile. She also left behind years in a Quiverfull church and loves to chronicle the worst abuses of that particular theology. She has been happily married to her best friend for the last 33 years. You can read more about the author here.

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  • Tawreos

    I never made the connection until today. Christians seem to only like Jesus when he is helpless. They love him when he is a helpless baby and they love him when he is helpless after being nailed to the cross. For the most part, they ignore anything in the intervening years and especially anything he said.

  • Jim Jones

    > He’s quoted a little bit of this woman, Beth, saying that Santa was Satan.

    Wasn’t that The Church Lady? Yep!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c

  • Jim Jones

    They ignore the fact that he was Jewish AND said “I come only for the Jews”.

  • Ingeborg Nordén

    What the actual heck?!? I can understand fundagelicals condemning the consumerism, the gluttony, the blatant pagan symbols that became part of Christmas celebtration in the West. But condemning Baby Jesus’ image as part of a Satanic ruse? That’s turning Christian theology inside-out.

  • Tawreos

    Of course they do, he didn’t say that on the cross or in the manger.

  • AFo

    There is just no winning with this crowd. They scream that they’re being persecuted because Starbucks doesn’t have nativity scenes on their cups, then whine that people are worshiping the “wrong” Jesus when the nativity is displayed. (Aside: How can there be a “wrong” Jesus? It’s not like he was two different people; the baby in the manger grew up into the man on the cross, so how is one better than the other?)
    The Christmas tree thing is just as ridiculous. If you don’t want to have one, that’s your choice, but to say it’s because you don’t want to focus on spending time with your family just makes you sound like the Grinch.

  • AFo

    It’s scary that this clear parody is not such a parody anymore…

  • Brian Davis

    And what is so wrong about sharing special times and reminiscing with family.

    It takes time away from obsessing about what a miserable sinner you are.

  • Tawreos

    Actually she is correct about the Christmas tree thing, but for the wrong reason. Christians shouldn’t refrain from putting up Christmas trees because they make you focus on friends and family, but rather because the bible says not to. Jeremiah 10:1-4
    Jeremiah 10: 1-5

    1 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

    2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

    3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

    4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

    I am not sure why the bible example wasn’t used, but to each their own. =)

  • Mel

    I disagree slightly. It takes away from obsessing about what miserable sinners everyone else is. 90% of the CP/QF crazy would disappear quickly if the followers really thought about the parable of removing a log from your own eye before trying to remove a speck from your neighbor’s eye……

  • Mel

    I’m genuinely confused by what this woman thinks the word “worship” means.

    I’m also really confounded by how we are supposed to discuss Jesus’ life. Is she declaring that the Gospels of Matthew and Luke are now out of the canon and viva Mark? Is the Gospel of John gone as well since it discusses the Incarnation at the beginning?

  • The baby Jesus is the anti-Christ? That’s a new level of fundagelical crazy!

  • Friend

    Bah humbug! My tree is fake and pre-lit with LEDs! No axe was involved. I deck it with no silver or gold. It is not held up with nails. We lock up our hammers at the start of Advent! So there!

  • Friend

    Even Luke doesn’t give Jesus a lot of quotes in the manger…… maybe in the next translation.

  • Friend

    I feel like my Christmas is more Christian when I don’t flagellate1 myself for not obsessing1 over Jesus every second.

    I love my family. However, that love felt freighted, like mental gymnastics, back when I constantly tried to jam Jesus into the middle of it.

    Jesus does not have to be the middleman. As a Christian, I am surely grateful to God for my life and family, but truly don’t share the belief that God wants me to spend 23-1/2 hours a day thanking him. I’d like to think God enjoys watching people live their lives, just as I enjoy watching a child read a book or bite into a nice warm cookie.

  • Delta

    A church set up a Nativity display depicting Mary, Jesus, and Joseph as asylum-seekers.

    I suspect that the bit about “worshipping baby Jesus” was a response to this.

  • Friend

    A lot of these fundagelical writers delight in finding new ways to make people question every single tiny thing in their lives. “Oooh, have you thought of this?!?”

  • Friend

    Hmm, I hadn’t thought of that. I did think it might come out of timeworn anti-Catholic prejud1ce.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Friend! Me too! I put up my tree last night. Plastic with those LED lights, no nails, nothing had to die to make it up… and I managed to have a few of my German bought ornaments that made it through in one piece.

    Soooooo neither of us are busying rebelling against that part of the Bible

  • Delta

    I suspect the “worship baby Jesus” bit was a response to a church whose Nativity display depicted Jesus as an asylum-seeker, separated from his parents.

    Someone within her religion is using the religious holiday to criticize cruelty? Well, clearly they must be Jesus-ing wrong somehow!

  • Delta

    I’m not sure if people like Beth have heard about it yet, but if they have I’m sure they wouldn’t be happy.

  • The Jack of Sandwich

    The return of the Puritan War on Christmas?

  • Ann Kah

    I no longer recognize Christianity, as today’s evangelical claptrap bears no relationship to what I knew way back in my Christian days. I have absolutely no regrets about leaving it behind.

  • Friend

    Nathaniel Hawthorne tried to free us from this cr@p. Unfortunately we forgot his lessons. But “The May-Pole of Merry Mount” is right out there in the public domain, along with all the rest of his treasures.

  • persephone

    But didn’t Kirk Cameron make a whole movie based on the opposite of this? And what about the candy cane myths?

    ETA: What possible fun can we heathens have if we’re not laughing at their wild myths?

  • Mutale

    its weird how believers talk about how humble jesus is with him dieing on the cross and then they say how jesus wants to be praised for how humble he was .

  • Mutale

    also because god cant tolerate him not being praised as the most amazing being ever

  • “She completely ignored the fact that Santa Claus in his more modern incarnations is descended from Catholic saint, St. Nicholas…”

    That makes it even worst. Most fundagelicals don’t consider Catholics¹ to be True Christians™, and some consider them minions of Satan. I once heard about a dyslexic devil worshiper who sold his soul to Santa.

    ¹As a child in Catholic grade school, I was told that I was a Catholic, not a Christian, and that only heretic Protestants called themselves “Christians”. So it workd both ways; some Protestants say Catholics aren’t Christians, and so do some Catholics.

  • Allison the Great

    I agree they need to get sued.

    If the devil were a real being that was hellbent (pun intended) to kill2 and destroy, I think he’d do it through people like Beth and virtually everyone we read about here. He’d be working through David Barton to keep people stupid, through purity cultures to keep them scared and through pro-lifers to keep them oppressing women. He’d be using all useless non-profits that aim to tear down the wall between church and state. An evil figure would use legalism to his advantage. If the Beast were not just a mythological figure, then guys like Franklin Graham would be the first to have the mark put on them without fully realizing what they’re doing (maybe he already did, MAGA).

    And fuck2 this lady. She can spoil Christmas for her own damn self and not do any of the fun stuff. I’m pagan as fuck2 so I love Christmas trees. Did it ever occur to her that the Christians co-opted all the again traditions because they were fun and they didn’t want to live cold and miserable lives? She can live in a puritanical world if she wants to.

  • Friend

    To me (as a Christian), this turns Jesus into an idol.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    Just FYI: “verklempt” is an adjective, not a verb.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Yeah, yeah, I do know, I just chose to use it that way because many people do use it as a verb.

  • Saraquill

    Baby J*sus is the Antichrist. This woman needs to stop wearing her colon as a hat and actually learn.

  • Saraquill

    The “wrong J*sus” is Jewish or other kind of ethnic. / s

  • Saraquill

    I rather like the parts where he’s like “don’t be an as$hole.”

  • Saraquill

    It’s not Puritan until they ban the holiday like Massachusetts did.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    Wow, never heard the “Catholic, not Christian” bit in catechism classes. I ‘spect you’re the exception to the rule.

  • Jenn H

    Beth doesn’t want to worship a Jesus that is portrayed as helpless. Instead she believes in Turbo!Jesus, who will come back some day and slaughter all the unbelievers before destroying the world.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    No offense; just didn’t know how familiar you were with Yiddish.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    “3. Yes, the customs of the peoples are quite futile: wood, nothing more, cut out of a forest, worked with a blade by a carver’s hand, 4. then embellished with silver and gold, then fastened with hammer and nails to keep it from moving. 5. Like scarecrows in a melon patch, they cannot talk, they have to be carried, since they cannot walk. Have no fear of them: they can do no harm — nor any good either!'”
    ~ Jeremiah 10

    As one can see, this is a reference to pagan idols, not trees as such.

  • SAO

    When people say ‘verklempting’, they are not speaking Yiddish anymore than people use ‘mercy buckets’ to thank someone are speaking French and lately, I’d say a lot of people who know zero Latin are saying ‘quid pro quo’.

  • Never was a parody, man.

  • Having flashbacks to the Church Lady from SNL. Ah, here! The full “Santa” bit for those who haven’t seen it, or those who wish to indulge in some nostalgia: https://youtu.be/FuJpalsj9sQ

  • Wisdom, Justice, Love

    The War on Christmas is backfiring.
    Is Christmas is a Christian Only holiday, how do they explain the Seasonal, Holiday Christmas Tree? Many people place Christmas Gifts under that tree.

    I hope there aren’t Christians out there entertaining the idea that Jesus died on a (crucifix possibly made of wood from a) tree and the wood Christmas trees is representational. That’s research-grade ultra Weak Sauce. So If I have this right; you use a tree to represent the death Jesus when celebrating his birth, but during Easter when celebrating his resurrection, there is no wood to represent a crucifix tree? Why not some idol symbol during a more appropriate time?

    The reality is as stated: the Pagan tradition of decorating greenery: trees and wreathes.
    When any of the Christians mention the War on Christmas, ask if they ever heard of Saturnalia or Sol Invictus.

  • Wisdom, Justice, Love

    They romanticize infants; sometimes in odd ways.
    It’s the root of Family Values™
    The potential for another Jesus fanatic sets their imagination all aflutter.
    And yes, Christians love Jesus for his birth and his death (the ticket to ride), and not much else.
    What you need to know to love Jesus:
    His philosophy about people
    His relationship with the religious leaders of the day
    His demonstrations of compassion and kindness
    His distaste for hypocrites and phonies

    He died from Me, Me, Me.

    Outside of Christmas and Easter, I can’t think of another major unified Christian celebration, outside of a ritual/ceremony (baptism, confirmation, etc.).

  • Wisdom, Justice, Love

    It’s hard to satirize crazy.

  • Wisdom, Justice, Love

    The brilliance of it all is, with double standards, you never have to be held to any of them. After all, God will forgive just about anything.

  • Wisdom, Justice, Love

    The (not so) big reveal.
    Even if something does promote Family Togetherness, if it doesn’t accredit our belief in a major way, it is not Pure.
    It’s not about the values, it’s about the brand getting credit.
    This warm, touching moment is brought to you by:
    Family Values™
    Made possibly by a grant from Jesus.

  • Tawreos

    Those are the first parts to be ignored by so many christians.

  • Brian Curtis

    “I remember Christianity back when it wasn’t 100% crazy and stupid.” You’re showing your age, you know….

  • fenikkusu

    They have also conveniently skipped the scripture that states in no uncertain terms that the shepherds were called in to worship him as he lay in the manger. The three wise kings as well were called to seek him and honor him with gifts and worship some time after his birth…
    Gotta love the cherry picking to satisfy ones own personal ideas….

  • Mimc

    They use the word worship very loosely. The church I grew up in and the Christian School would say that everyone worshiped something and if it wasn’t God it had to be money, sex2, drugs2, or Satan.

  • Astrin Ymris

    No, no– Kirk Cameron told them that Christmas was 100% Christian, absolutely no Pagan elements whatsoever! Rampant consumerism and Prosperity Gospel self-preening is precisely the way Christ wanted his birthday celebrated. Absolutely. It’s in the Bible. For real.
    ;-D

  • Iain Lovejoy

    Apologies to all who have heard this before:
    Christmas trees aren’t pagan. They originated in 16th Century Germany and are basically Martin Luther’s fault.
    In medieval Germany they used to have mystery plays where Biblical scenes were acted out, and parodied, and used to make contemporary political band social points, and with jokes etc. Part of the backdrop to this would be an evergreen tree standing in for the tree of knowledge in Eden, and decorated with lights, snakes (now streamers) and apples (now baubles). The newly-Protestant authorities banned the public performances, so people put the trees up in their houses instead.
    Decorating the house with greenery generally, and especially holly and mistletoe is, however, as I understand it, very much copied from old pagan midwinter festivals, as is the big feast and probably giving presents and carolling (albeit obviously with different songs). The tree, however, isn’t.

  • Ruthitchka

    This set of pronouncements from a lady named Beth are amazing. So…Baby Jesus is actually a type of antichrist? I don’t remember that from Sunday School.
    I read somewhere that the Christmas tree originated in German medieval pageants about Adam and Eve, where a pine tree with apples hung on it was substituted for the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
    “Beth”–another in a long line of people who take all the fun out of Christmas/Halloween/Easter. I had siblings-in-law who didn’t let their children believe in Santa Claus, but now that there are grandkids, these folks have lightened up about Santa, trick-or-treating, etc.

  • Ruthitchka

    Saraquill, your statement is awesome! Made me laugh with recognition.

  • B.A.

    Exactly. I live the south,a.k.a. the BabblE Belt,and I’ve met plenty of people like that character. 🙁

  • Milo C

    I remember being very little and my parents taking a good deal of time to sit me and my brothers down and learn about the symbolism of each little piece of the nativity scene, down to the animals. I think their main concern was that we didn’t break the little porcelain-like figures and treated them with reverence instead of toys (which did grant the pieces a longer life), but also to instill a Catholic culture in us. The figurines got placed in the manger in a particular order, piece by piece, on days leading up to Christmas. We learned about lighting the Advent candles too, and it seemed all part and parcel of the belief system.

    It didn’t occur to me that other people, even other Catholics, didn’t have some of these same rituals.

    Oh, and baby Jesus definitely gets worshiped, but not usually as a powerless figure. More like a symbol of innocence and hope.

  • Ingeborg Nordén

    By mainstream Christian logic (oxymoron of the day), Baby Jesus is still Jesus and SHOULD be worshiped. What they’re really upset about is people politicizing or romanticizing Jesus’ infancy.