Lori Alexander, the 22 Conference and the Dying Manosphere

Lori Alexander, the 22 Conference and the Dying Manosphere January 23, 2020

Yesterday I finally got internet connection again just in time to witness a pile of curious things involving this “Make Women Great Again” conference and a few prominent Christian Red Pill guys. When I got up this morning and found Lori Alexander once again babbling about the conference after many commenters tried to warn her what the conference  founder was all about (and it is not good) to no avail I knew it merited a second post today on top of Debi Pearl’s complaining about fecal transplants.

First  let’s look at Lori glorying in against all warnings this silly conference. The 22 Conference that is likely to be deserted save a few journalists showing up just to document the freak show nature of it all:

There’s a conference being put on by men called “Make Women Great Again.” The organizer of the event, Anthony Johnson, contacted me and told me that my viral post Men Prefer Debt Free Virgins Without Tattoos was the motivation for having this conference. In a video of his, he uses the picture for my viral post and says that women like this are today’s rebel and nearly impossible to find. He’s right!

Some asked if there was going to be some Christian male teachers at this conference and he responded by saying there will be Christian men but this is NOT a Christian conference. This type of conference wouldn’t even be needed if pastors and older women were teaching this in all, or at least many, of the churches. It’s a sad state of affairs that a conference like this is teaching biblical womanhood by men when most churches won’t.”

 

And exactly what type of man is Lori praising here for teaching and leading this conference? Anthony “Beach Muscles” Johnson.  This guy.

and this….

Yes, this is the moral caliber of the man Lori Alexander has chosen to follow and support. Klazzy! There is zero evidence beyond Beach Muscles crowing how ‘moral’ and ‘Christian’ he is that he has any faith. That tweet is little more than a  year old, and it speaks volumes about the type of man this ‘leader’ is. He is a man who sees women only as fungible, only as objects to be used and discarded at will, not fully human. I hate to use these words but… jizz storage units.

Lori follows by praising former pick up artist and now Christian mansphere idol Roosh V. to make her point and it does not help  her cause any.

“***Here’s some good news, it appears that some men in the “manosphere” are turning to Christ! Holding biblical values without Christ are meaningless. Here is what Roosh published on Twitter yesterday and wrote above it, “A masculine Christian revival will replace the manosphere.”

Not on my tintype buddy! He posted a tweet Lori is speaking of here with talking about Molyneux and others are steering the conversation among the Red Pill guys back to Christ and now all of them will take their Godly Kings position and teach the lowly unGodly women who is boss.

Keep in  mind these guys are all akin to this one guy.

Mystery, the star of VH1’s “The Pickup Artist”, just one of many in a lineup of bad reality shows that included Bret Michael’s “Rock of Love” and Flavo Flav’s  “Flavor of Love” Mystery seems to have taken his fur hat and guyliner and disappeared into the manosphere ether after the show and his book. Except he is still apparently out there teaching his questionable methods to other guys. Someone is still buying this load of twaddle. Want to raise your blood pressure this morning? Read  about their technique of “Negging” which is a type of abusive gaslighting.

There is nothing genuine or safe about any of these guys, the ones that screech what good Christians they are while negging you, right down to fur hatted Mystery trying to get into someone’s pants.

Which leads us to this. A couple of guys who straddle the Red Pill/Christian line have started to disappear from the online world. The newest one, that Lori Alexander always loved, is the repellent Dalrock. Dalrock after nearly ten years is stopping all his writing apparently.

Oh happy day!

I think we are witnessing the beginning of the end of the whole silly manosphere/red pill/mens rights/incel/mgtow thing, just the very first rumblings that all is not well there, something we’ve already known for sometime now. What type of angry self-hating women links herself to these guys? Lori.

On a final Lori note today I have to share what has to be the sickest literally of commenters on Lori’s recent promotion of her own eating beliefs, her video about her pantry and her crazy ideas on nutrition. I post this as a caution. Please, no one should EVER be taking 30 benadryl pills a day for any reason. I take them, I take lots of them, as does Cindy Kunsman and others I know that struggle with allergies and asthma. They are a helpful tool that is very far down on the dangerous list, at least right up until you start taking them in toxic kill your liver and kidneys amounts! This is one of the big dangers of Quiverfull, self medicating in dangerous ways instead of listening to what a legitimate doctor says. And yeah, while deleteing anyone that does not agree with Lori on Beach Muscles she let this dangerous garbage stay up.

Being serious here. If you’re taking that high a dose of over the counter meds you have a problem that likely mental health professionals should be dealing with. Not online cranks suffering from malnutrition.

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  • Mary Hannah bates

    There goes the entertainment. You have to admit the crazy stuff they have spewed has been entertaining. Most women have simply kept going forward and not listened to the ones that wanted us to stop being successful and go back to playing by the old rules.

  • Nea

    So, essentially Lori is admitting in front of God & everybody that she will uncritically, wholeheartedly advertise and defend absolutely any man who gives her personally the tiniest amount of attention. She’ll think of a reason later.

  • Jennny

    Hadn’t heard anything recently about Roosh V, not that I’ve searched for him at all. I signed the petittion, along with 50,000 others which was successful in getting him banned from the UK for his pro-r*pe stance. We got pastor Stevie A banned too. We just need to do the same for Franklin Graham who has an 8-city tour of the UK planned for August. he says it’s to ‘share god’s love, that’s all’ but 2islamic2 leaders are pointing out his bigotry against them and his call for the stoning to death of LGBT+ folk doesn’t sit well with the jesus-love he claims, liberal Britain’s generally agin such hypocrisy.

  • Treyarnon

    Yep, ironic for a woman who promotes wifely submission and confinement to the home sphere. Here she is, trying to create an online community hanging on her every word, hardly self effacing and modest is she?

  • Jim Jones

    30 Benadryl a week? I’ve taken zero in a lifetime!

  • Jim Jones

    And then there’s the shoebox con-game appeal which pays him most of his nearly $1 million a year.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    30 a day! Which is literally insane if you see that the average person taking one passes out for hours on end. Hard core asthmatics and folks with allergies might take two or three at at a time but never more than two or three times a day. That is an enormous ‘Let’s get unconscious!’ dose

  • Tawreos

    I have to admit that I am shocked by something that one of these guys said that is not hateful, for once. One of them mentions that the message gets spread when a guy gets his heart broken and Google’s “why?”. This can’t be a thing. I have had my heart broken and it never occurred to me to ask google why. If that is all it takes then we can interrupt their reaching of new converts. We were able to give Santorum a nice little problem with his Goggle searches so the same can be done with these guys.

  • Raging Bee

    If you have to take Benadryl every day on a regular basis, chances are you have a condition that requires far more effective meds than that. And if it’s asthma, there’s a whole raft of new meds (Accolate, Singulaire, Advair, just offhand, and Accolate isn’t even “new” anymore) that’ll do far more to keep all your symptoms under control, with none of the downer effects. That Stacy person really needs to see a real doctor about this, and apparently hasn’t done so in DECADES.

  • Tawreos

    Seeing a doctor could be seen as a lack of faith in god to help her with her problems.

  • Mel

    Everytime I read the title of the viral post “Men Prefer Debt-Free Virgins Without Tattoos” I dissolve into giggles for a few minutes.

    It’s SO overwrought that I just end up laughing……

  • Mary Hannah bates

    I ask the internet all kinds of things now. It is nice to other points of view. I am not sure why you want to limit speech…

  • Jennny

    Yup, that makes me furious, having been involved with the shoeboxes for years before that came to light…my area transferred to sending shoeboxes with another charity…but last year it put tracts in the boxes too. There has been some good publicity in the Uk this year, which is bad news for the idea of shoeboxes…saying it’s crazy that we stuff trucks with boxes full of toiletries and toys and pay for them to drive overland to Europe where these items could be sourced locally and help many poor shopkeepers. I hope 2020 will see a real downturn in the sending of shoeboxes.

  • bekabot

    I think the zeitgeist has moved past the need for a Manosphere at present.

    Is that a kiss-off or what? “I made my bones on the incels’ backs, but I have no need for them at present and don’t plan to develop one in the future. Ergo, they now have my permission to depart.” Sheesh. (I’m not saying this is the Really True Truth or anything, but who can doubt that it’s the picture inside Roosh’s head? Not me.)

    It’s worth noting, I think, that Roosh has performed the exact evolution the Manosphere was designed to prevent and erected to protest against — he’s traded the companionship and support of a male in-group for a wife and for progeny. He’s picked his biological family over his erstwhile pals, which means that in Manopsherian terms, he’s traded down. No wonder Lori likes him. She must be walking around with stars in her eyes wishing the men around her would do the same thing — instead of moving heaven and earth to impress one another while she’s expected to stand aside and applaud. (There you have the bot’s uncharitable assessment, which isn’t presented as the Really True Truth either. As per usual, JMO.)

  • Nea

    Oh, she’s been a hypocrite from the get-go. Totally be submissive to your husband’s every wish, unless he wishes for you to use birth control. God totes understands when you sabotage that.

  • Tawreos

    Who said anything about limiting speech? I merely said that it never occurred to me to ask Google why someone broke my heart, and that is because how would Google know?

  • bekabot

    “Which men and for what?” is the question which immediately comes to mind — and in fact it comes to mind so immediately that I wonder whether it wasn’t designed that way on purpose. You know how news-and-opinion mags like to use counterintuitive tags as their headlines so as to get more viewers to click their links (‘Earthworms Are Not Garderners’ Helpers’, etc.) I wonder whether ‘Debt-Free Virgins’ isn’t an exercise in the same vein, only more crudely handled.

    I anticipate a ramping-up. I’m waiting for ‘Jesus Prefers Debt-Free Virgins Without Tattoos’ — I’d click on that.

  • bekabot

    Yeah..there’s no Constitutional ban against asking silly questions, but silly questions are still silly. There’s no law against jumping off tall buildings either (that I know about) but the trajectory of the rest of your life is predictable once you decide to jump off one. There’s no directive I’m aware of against going to war with Lord Neptune, but if you charge into the waves and keep charging, it’s not a sucker bet that you’re not going to win. So, you can say whatever you want to — no one will stop you. But, that’s not automatically going to make whatever you decide to say smart or worth hearing.

  • Nea

    That’s a surprisingly rude reply to an innocuous statement.

  • Edith Prickly, Pettifoggerer

    Roosh’s visibility dropped after he got booted off Paypal and Amazon a couple of years ago, and had to take down his vile website because he couldn’t afford to run it anymore. I also think his “conversion” to Christianity has turned off a lot of his previous audience. Good.

    Roosh V, now an Orthodox Christian, stops selling his pickup guides because they promote “bodily pleasure through casual sex”

  • Jennifer

    Wow…so much bad here. That woman is such an utter, 3deluded 2fool she won’t even look at or listen to evidence right in front of her, even coming from her own followers. These 1disgusting men recognize her as being low like them and she eats it up, as delusional as the big-headed queen of hearts in Burton’s Alice in Wonderland who’s surrounded by toadies wearing blatantly false facial features in order to kiss up. It’s catching up to her and the more 4deluded she is, the more her nature will be revealed to any halfway sensible followers still holding on from her saner days.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    “I think we are witnessing the beginning of the end of the whole silly manosphere/red pill/mens rights/incel/mgtow thing. . . .”

    From your mouth to God’s ears.

  • Jennifer

    On a better note…HAPPY DAY, the D-bag is leaving the blogosphere! Finally horrid pig sties of comment sections will close and BS will cease. Plus, an ex-friend I had who absurdly turned from Quiverful-raised rebel to hardcore complimentarian will now be cut off from one of his favorite junk sites.

    When I first explored the toxic junk of the boyosphere, Dalrock seemed like one of the better writers and was polite to me. But the more time I spent around his commentators, the worse it got and he never made any effort to modify or curtail their awful behavior and disgusting words (but he did get mad at me eventually for pointing that out and getting angry at the resident 4jerks). What are some examples of Dalrock’s worse writings? (If you can possibly give me examples without links, it’d be much appreciated).

  • Susan Montgomery

    I think the Manosphere is going get worse before dies

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Benadryl can aid alongside those other drugs too. Don’t forget that. Much of what you have listed there I am actually allergic too. But no one needs 30 benadryls

  • Mimc

    Wouldn’t that dose actually kill2 someone? She has to be lying.

  • Mary Hannah bates

    What do you mean by this “If that is all it takes then we can interrupt their reaching of new converts.” What does interrupt mean?

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    It’s possible to build up to some crazy high tolerances to drugs.

  • Raging Bee

    Yes, from my experience at least, people using those new drugs do still need “rescue inhalers,” allergy pills and the like — just not as much or as regularly as before.

  • Mary Hannah bates

    How would google or any other search engine know? Because others have written things about broken hearts and those things can be shared with others.

  • Mary Hannah bates

    I say it all the time. Choose one. Prayer or a surgeon…

  • Mimc

    Google algorithm can be manipulated. With enough time and money all the incel sites might be bumped off the first page of search results. It’s unlikely but theoretically with enough effort it could be done.

  • Nea

    I’d be willing to bet that all the sensible followers bailed around the time she said that listening to Jesus alone instead of Paul and her would send you to to The Bad Place.

  • Tawreos

    It still cannot answer the why behind a particular persons actions

  • Mary Hannah bates

    But it can give insights. We will know about those who have posted and so us readers might have the lightbulb moment. Also, there would be those who have done the heart breaking. That would give a why behind a particular person’s actions.

  • Tawreos

    If you know the term that people will search for then googles algorithms can be manipulated to avoid toxic sources and pull up more enlightened ones. Rick Santorum had that problem when he was running for office because his name brought up anything but his campaign site for a long time.

  • Mary Hannah bates

    But that is limiting people from viewing things that you think are toxic. It is burning the book before anyone gets to read it if I am understanding you correctly.

  • Nea

    Wow, that’s over the top. Burning a book is actual destruction. Pushing search results to page 2 destroys absolutely nothing and limits only people who don’t know how to click a link labeled “More Results” in plain English.

  • chemical

    It has been for a while. When the pickup artist stuff started out, a lot of people just dismissed it as guys dressing up in funny hats. But then some guys who became disillusioned with the pickup artists branched off and a whole new batch of movements followed: PUA Hate -> MTGOW -> Incel. The misogyny has always been there, but now it’s so toxic and damaging even to its own members that they go out on shooting sprees.

  • Tawreos

    Yes moving a particular google result to the second page is exactly like burning a book…unless you understand how google results work.

  • Mary Hannah bates

    If the goal is to get people to only or mostly read what YOU want them to read, then yes, moving something to a second page knowing that the average person is not going to see it, then yes, it accomplishes the same thing as burning a book or removing content. Not viewed is not viewed no matter how it happens.

  • Mary Hannah bates

    so why do you need it to go to page two? Exactly, the whole reason for SEO in the first place. Few go to page two. You want to control what people view.

  • Tawreos

    If you are just going to twist things so that you can feel like you are right then I am done with you.

  • Nea

    No, “Not viewed” is NOT the same as “cannot view.” Not the same thing at all, and I’m beginning to think you are trolling the thread by insisting that they are.

  • Nea

    Please cite your source for the declaration “few go to page 2.”

  • Nea

    Your refusal to provide the requested citation has been noted.

  • Janet Freiheit

    I seem to remember that Lori got a lot of push-back for announcing that all the billions of men on the planet preferred these type of women. She changed it to Christian Men Prefer etc. I see we’re now back to the universal posting.

  • texassa

    Here’s the beautiful thing these idiots2 don’t realize – any man who thinks the ideal mate’s inherent worth is defined by being a “debt-free virgin2 without tattoos” is most certainly no man I’m interested in anyway. My nutty husband who values me as a human being (with a positive net worth and no tattoos, 2/3) is surely a much better match.

  • paganheart

    Hmmm…. reading Dalrock’s statement makes me think of when the band Rush announced in 2018 that they were no longer going to tour or record. No detailed reason given, other than not wanting to endure the physical stress of touring, and they felt it was just time to retire. What no one outside of the band’s circle knew at the time was that their drummer, Neil Peart, had glioblastoma (a form of brain cancer.) That wasn’t made public until Neil passed away earlier this month.

    Dalrock can say he’s closing down his blog just because “it’s time,” but I have my doubts. Don’t be shocked if we get some kind of major (negative) update regarding his health or personal situation soon. If memory serves, Roosh V’s religious conversion and the abandonment of his PUA BS came shortly after the unexpected death of his sister. Something major has gone down (or is about to go down) in Dalrock’s life…

  • bekabot

    I don’t want to come across as impolite, but this stuff drives me bats. It’s fundamentally dishonest. Let somebody insist on a POV I disagree with, or let them demand that a conversation I want to walk away from be continued, and if I emit a peep of remonstrance in either case, suddenly I’m a dictatorial censor who’s suppressing their free speech. I’m sorry, but no. Freedom of speech includes the freedom not to talk along with the freedom to talk back. Without negative freedom, positive freedom makes no sense; similarly, just because you can advocate for a nonsense position (or, more passively, give it a hearing) doesn’t mean you should. It doesn’t mean that if you spend years of your life trying to be fair to people who have zero intention of being fair to you, you haven’t been wasting your time.

    The fact that you have the right and the ability to talk doesn’t mean I’m obligated to listen to you. In other words, I don’t think the statement you’re referring to is innocuous. It’s so trifling on its face that it’s evident (to me) that it’s chum cast upon the waters and intended to goad the rest of us into rising and thrashing around on the surface and fighting over nothing — which, please note, we are reliably doing. As I see it, what we are obligated to do (by necessity if not law) is to stop being suckers, stop taking bait, and stop (over and above all things) extending the benefit of the doubt to characters who’d never dream of allowing us the same amount of wiggle-room. With that I end my spouting. As I suppose you can tell, my feelings on this subject are intense.

    (Added: Apologies to Mary Hannah bates if I’ve misunderstood her, though I doubt I have.)

  • paganheart

    Either she’s exaggerating that amount, or she’s built up one heck of a tolerance. I have to take Benadryl occasionally (usually when everything else has failed) and 25mg is enough to leave me in a zombie-like state for hours. I once took 50mg of the stuff by mistake, had to drive somewhere a couple of hours later and nearly drove my car into a tree (long story and no I should not have been driving…thank goodness there were no cops around.) Pretty sure if I tried to take more than 50 mg in a day, I’d be in a coma.

  • Jim Jones

    Try to get everyone on board with Plan USA (or your country’s branch). Look them up online or ask for a brochure. They buy locally and they buy stuff like sheep, goats, chickens(I think) which boost people out of poverty. No shipping involved.

  • frostysnowman

    I can’t even take one Benadryl without getting high, I can’t imagine taking 30 in one day. I once had to have it administered via IV when I had a severe allergic reaction to something, so maybe like that?

    These guys embrace Christianity like Trump does. Which is to say, not at all, unless there’s some profit or benefit to be had for themselves.

  • Mary Hannah bates

    Actually I am a law student and I was doing homework not refusing. Here is one. There are several. THis says they will not even bother past five entries. https://www.theleverageway.com/blog/how-far-down-the-search-engine-results-page-will-most-people-go/

  • Mary Hannah bates

    Okay, its like saying there are 100 copies of this book, but we do not want you to read what it says so we are going to burn or remove the one that is easy for you to access. Go find the other 99 copies they are still there, but now you have to work harder to access it. That’s all. I just wanted clarification that you wanted everybody to equally see what was available. Sending something to a second page is not equal and makes it seem that there might be a reason why you want people to view only what you want.

  • Mary Hannah bates

    Actually, once it was explained exactly what was wanted, it would be more like a type of censorship. One group deciding how easy it would be for other to access information. Allowing their information to readily accessed while other information would have to be searched for longer. I am using this definition of censorship. Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or “inconvenient.”

  • Mary Hannah bates

    Wait, Roosh had a sister he cared that much for and yet he tried to make a living teaching other men how to pick her up?

  • Mary Hannah bates
  • AFo

    It’s like they want men to get dumped by women so they can try to rope them into their sick little cult. Most men who go through a breakup don’t end up swearing eternal hatred of women, or deciding that if women just fit some very narrow, nigh-impossible standards, the world would be better.

  • paganheart

    Apparently…Death can be a real attitude adjuster sometimes (although Roosh still believes a lot of really toxic stuff.)

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I have a couple ampules of the inject-able Benadryl for emergencies and am just thankful this lady does not have access to that. She would likely be dead.

  • Oh, it’s gonna get a lot worse before the manosphere finally implodes and goes away.

  • Found the FemRA.

  • That… might depend on how regularly you take it and your normal dosage.

    50mg is normal for me, and only knocks me out about 25% of the time. Never more than 8 tabs (200mg) in a day, and rarely* more than the max dosage.

    *There have been a few times I’ve forgotten I’ve taken the stuff and accidentally double dosed. Best thing to do at that point is sleep it off.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Just reading a drug interaction site. FDA says you should never take more than 12 pills 300 mg a day. I’ve never exceeded that. 30 a day is enough to damage liver

  • persephone

    The fact that even that garbage rag, The Daily Mail, showed what a joke he is certainly didn’t help with his public profile. A guy with a dad bod2 and graying hair living in his mother’s house and telling other men how to succeed with women just doesn’t work well.

  • persephone

    The problem is that what a man is likely to find on google regarding why he was dumped is some red pill, MRA, incel, or other telling him that none of it is his fault, that modern women are all take and no give, full of STDs and lazy and hates9 kids. Because there are only two types of women: SAHMs who are submissive9 to their man’s every need, and femina9zis who are out to destroy9 the world.

  • persephone

    The brocialists and cosplay socialists are their own special bit of internet he9ll.

  • persephone

    It would be great if Stefan Molyneux just disappeared. He’s admitted that there’s no way he could get a regular job now because of his postings.

  • Zeldacat

    Benadryl does nothing for me but put me to sleep, and not even a good sleep, a messed-up one that I wake up feeling worse from. I haven’t taken it in decades.

    These comments remind me I need to get a refill on my inhaler – I don’t need it much but do have mild asthma.

  • Zeldacat

    I find it especially amusing as I am neither debt-free, a virgin2, or without tattoos. Yet there is a man I know who is giving off all sorts of signals of being interested in me – and I am in him, so I hope I’m right!

  • B.A.

    I can only take Benadryl at night,or if I’m not going anywhere during the day,because it makes me drowsy. I don’t want drive like that;it doesn’t feel safe. So I never take more than one in a day, I only keep it around for when I really need it; i.e.pollen season,because it’s bad here. (GA.)

  • bekabot

    Dear, I’ve been asked to scan books full of indexes for certain specific names (though I did an indifferent job at best). If you can’t be bothered to turn over a gosh-darned page, actually or virtually, and if you find it too much of a burden to be asked to scroll down a screen, and you aren’t mentally or physically disabled in some way, then I have no sympathy for you; none whatsoever. Go goof around with someone else’s head, and please stop bothering me. (I see I have not got you wrong.)

  • bekabot

    That’s a meme, for Chrissake.

  • bekabot

    Better, but suggests a good remedy in which most people can partake without becoming hideously oppressed: make your search criteria more detailed. This is well within the capabilities of the average person. To suggest that it’s beyond the capacity of most people is insulting to them.

  • Zeldacat

    As long as it dies I don’t care how.

  • smrnda

    This would be like suggesting that everybody seeing a popular movie is ‘censorship’ because it will increase the number of screens that movie plays on, and the length of time, reducing the screenings of other films. That’s kind of absurd.

  • smrnda

    This is just my experience, but I find that many breakups aren’t even particularly hostile or angry. People can even stay friends with their ex’s.

    that’s a bad idea in a toxic or abusive relationship, but part of those breakups are learning to spot red flags.

  • smrnda

    It might just be that the leaders have made themselves obsolete. So I’m still a little worried.

  • AnyBeth

    On the subject of Benadryl: Agreed that nobody should ever take 30 a day and I don’t know what amounts would be fatal, but I want to recognize that the same name refers to three different medicines depending on where you are and the frequency of the dosing. It can be diphenhydramine, acrivastine, or cetirizine. The first, at least, wouldn’t be acutely dangerous for how it affects the liver or kidneys. (Though chronically would be a differently story — if you could survive the havoc such a profound amount would wreak.) The likeliest two routes of fatality are from the potentially-deadly arrhythmias the toxicity can cause or from complications of a burst bladder because the same can make urination impossible. To keep taking too much would, imo, be 1torturous. And, if you survive it, would induce psychiatric symptoms as long as you were at such a toxic level.

    But that doesn’t take so many pills. And before that, you’d dry out, turn red from your body trying to cool without sweat, your vision would blur and the light would hurt your eyes as it dilates your pupils, and you’d probably start having unpleasant hallucinations, usually of skin-crawling sort. And you’d pretty much lose it for a bit because that, too, is part of anticholinergic syndrome: mad as a hatter, blind as a bat, hot as a hare, red as a beet, dry as a bone2. Miserable. Basically, if you find yourself having any odd side-effects after taking more of the medicine, that’s a sign your body hasn’t gotten rid of enough of the medicine you’d already taken, so absolutely don’t take any more until all the strange side-effects are gone because, if you keep taking more, they’re going to quickly build to something mean, 1nasty and potentially 1deadly.

    I found out about all this when, under doctor’s instruction, I was taking the maximum dose listed on the box, which had increased markedly within the previous 5 years. After less than two days of this, I became one of the large number of people to call PoisonControl because of the medicine. Almost all the symptoms of anticholinergetic syndrome using the recommended dose, not several times that amount! Utterly terrifying for several hours and slowly easing — though some pupil issues and a tendency toward paranoia lasted at least a few days.But I like to think the issues I had and reported to PoisonControl are part of the reason that, within a couple years, the dosing instructions changed back to less. Which is unfortunate for those who need just a bit more for a short time, but much safer for those who need to take it for several days running.

  • I broke contact from someone from college who acts like this, “acting like a sexist piece of shit2 gets me laid” No its going to get you Meetoo’d and then probably busted for doing something with a female that is Not of LEGAL AGE, as he is also a total furry anime creepo. “I at least hang out with the people who WHITE KNIGHT for” His response for be calling him out on his bigotry. No he hangs AROUND those people, so far I know of a former employer of a indie comic book company he worked for who broke contact for Mental Health reasons. and a college friend and his wife after they invited him over, cooked him dinner and let him hook is xbox to their tv all for him to do a drawing from her, which he then refused to do and wanted to be driven home.

  • Always get Pious when the party finally comes to an end.

  • I really hope so

  • Mary Hannah bates

    Which finds it humour in its truth unless of course you can find proof that the second page is NOT death for information. That is the whole point of SEO. The OP wanted to get certain information pushed to the second page. I was only asking for clarity. Have a nice day

  • Mary Hannah bates

    Bothering you? Stop replying. Nobody forced you to in the first place.

  • A.M.

    Nope, not even remotely the same. The algorithms can change based on what people are clicking on, how much a site has paid in advertisement, etc. Moving the Red Pill/MRA stuff off the first couple of pages doesn’t remove the information; it’s still there people can access it. They’ll just have to dig a little deeper.

    And, as a librarian, I really hate when people say they Google everything. Google is an information dump, and unless you’re looking at those sources with a very critical eye, you’re getting lots of junk and very little substance.

  • Nea

    Looking at the conversation with fresh morning eyes, I may have gotten the wrong impression here. It was Tawreos’ statement I consider innocuous and what I thought you were directly reacting to.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    This fight/discussion needs to go in primate messages or emails, not here. I’ve allowed you space to come to some sort of truce, and it’s just continuing on.
    Eta: “Primate” message should be “Private” message. LOL darn Benadryl hangover.

  • A.M.

    I’ve made one comment, so not sure what you mean about it just continuing on?

  • Jennifer

    I thought he’d gotten worse after conversion..?

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Was not addressing you, but those that keep on disagreeing without resolution. The point comes in every argument where it’s just better to walk away. They’re never going to agree.

  • A.M.

    Okay, gottcha!

  • paganheart

    Depends on what you mean by worse, I guess. He’s disavowed his PUA books and such, but he is still a full-on complementarian who believes women must submit to men. I’m sure he’s a big fan of Lori’s “men only want debt-free virgins with no tattoos” shtick as well. In fact, last I heard (and I haven’t read much about him lately because reading his stuff makes me want to throw up) he was bemoaning the lack of women and girls that he deems acceptable for marriage. Ugh…

  • swbarnes2

    Umm, no. Reading a million and 1 reasons why other people might have ended their relationships isn’t going to help, because likely a million of those reason have nothing to do with why that particular person broke up with that particular person.

    If a girl breaks up with a guy because he won’t stop making rape jokes, the problem almost certainly is not that the guy genuinely thinks that his girlfriend really likes rape jokes. The problem is that the guy doesn’t care, and even if he reads on the internet “most girls don’t like rape jokes, don’t make rape jokes”, the kind of guy who makes rape jokes is the kind of guy who will double down on the appropriateness of rape jokes if anyone suggests he not do that. The ‘insight’ that the guy will get from the internet is when he finds all the MRAs telling him he’s right for enjoying rape jokes.

  • bekabot

    Letting villains to get away with villainy allows the villains to win. Americans have found this out over the course of the last forty years or so, and the lesson has cost us dearly. In fact, the lesson has cost us more than we’re ever going to regain, which is why you can be assured that we’re never going to forget it — you can take that to the bank.

  • bekabot

    Death for information? Please. The information is still there where everybody who isn’t too dratted lazy to access it will find it. Besides, I’d like to point out again that none of this means you’re owed prime placement for your propaganda or your pet causes. If you want to flog a meme, propagate it yourself. Don’t wait around for Google to be fair; they’re oligarchs, and oligarchs don’t do fairnes2s. Blow2 your own horn for all you’re worth — blow2 till you burst. That’s the American way.

  • Jennifer

    Some QF types are, but I despised the junkosphere guys in a deep way bc of the horrible stuff they did. They need to leave, and seeing what’s happening to Roosh and others vanishing gives me great satisfaction and relief.

  • Jennifer

    I actually preferred they GTOW rather than engage with women or ideas of how to abuse them. The latter bothered me a lot more, saying such guys could start families this way, while the former just seemed like a closet of men complaining to each other and trying to avoid us.

  • Jennifer

    Good luck!

  • Jennifer

    Wait, Roosh is with a woman??

  • Jennifer

    He disavowed the 1rape stuff??

  • bekabot

    As the conversion therapy specialists used to tell us, anyone can change.

  • lady_black

    In the USA, where these folks live, Benadryl is a brand name of diphenhydramine only. The second drug you mentioned is marketed as “Benadryl” in the UK, and the third is marketed as Zyrtec, a “non-drowsy” antihistamine which is taken once in 24 hours, as opposed to every six hours for Benadryl. So, these references can safely be assumed to be to diphenhydramine.
    I do use diphenhydramine for allergies, particularly at night. I use a dosage that is considered prescription-strength (75 mg or 3 regular tablets). On a really BAD night, if I wake up with a snoot-full, I may repeat the dose, ONCE (a total of 6 OTC tablets) over 12 hours. I cannot imagine taking 30 tablets in 24 hours. If you need that many, you might want to consider trying another antihistamine, and should consult your caregiver for guidance.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    At those levels you’re better off with injectables.

  • NikkiofAmystika

    I’m not sure if he’s actually tricked some poor woman into attaching herself to him, but he definitely wants a young, submissive-preferably Eastern European or East Asian, because he believes those regions favor female submission more than the West does-wife and a ton of kids.

  • NikkiofAmystika

    Crossing my fingers that Dalrock’s quitting because his wife has decided to get a divorce.

  • Andrew Rogers

    Heard of the Black Manosphere?

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    No, and I’m somewhat frightened thinking that there might be divides along racial lines.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Everyone who’s feeling nauseous about the toxic manosphere may enjoy this hilarious takedown by the inimitable Dominic Noble!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9dI6CoNSrc