Which is the Worst Threat? Blacks in the Royal Family or the Corona Virus?

Which is the Worst Threat? Blacks in the Royal Family or the Corona Virus? January 28, 2020
Screencap from the BBC show What The Fuss?

We don’t talk much about Dave Daubenmire here. Mostly because his ideas make Paula White’s ravings against marine life seem sane. Plus I am very allergic to nonsense like this.

Earlier in the month Daubenmire outdid himself exposing something that is inherent in Quiverfull theology – racism. Most people in the QF movement hide their racism, or talk about having oodles of children to populate the world with Christians. Nancy Campbell of Above Rubies comes right to the point. Nancy will say that we need to increase our good Christian white baby output to out-breed the evil brown people. There it is, your main motivation for Quiverfull boiled down to the real reason.

Dave Daubenmire bemoaned the marriage of Meghan Markle to Prince Harry, son of Prince Charles and Diana Spencer, grandson of England’s Queen Elizabeth when it happened back in 2017. Why? Racism. He claimed that Markle marrying into the British royal family was a ‘disgrace’, going on to claim it was some sort of silly Satanic plot to take down the family that was the head of, and represented all things “Christian”.

Now that Harry has taken the sensible step of doing what is healthy for his growing family, stepping back from royal duties and moving the family to Canada Daubenmire had this to say:

“How is the royal bloodline of the crown being poisoned?” Daubenmire asked. “Is there something special about this commoner who has married into the royalty?”

“She’s half black,” Daubenmire answered. “When [Harry and Meghan] step back, what is going to be at the heart of why she did it? What are they going to say? Come on. Wake up here. What are they going to say? … Racism! She never felt comfortable. She felt like she was below everybody else.”

“The royal family is the seat of Christianity,” he continued. “We cannot deny the impact the royal family has had on the WASP-y culture; the White Anglo Saxon Protestant culture is a result of what has happened within the crown. And the crown has now, for the first time, been infiltrated with a bloodline … oh my goodness, that sounds racist, doesn’t it?”

If this sounds racist it is because it IS racist!

Daubenmire’s claim that the royal family being the seat of Christianity is just  laughable! While I admire Queen Elizabeth’s for her dignity in the face of undignified circumstances all I can say is that Dave is completely devoid of historical facts. This is a family where one monarch was drunken and bisexual openly (King James I), another wedded, bedded, killed a pile of wives after a head injury (King Henry VIII), the members are notorious for their affairs (King Edward VII, rumored Prince Phillip, Prince Charles along with a long list of others) because royal mistresses were a thing too. There have been members suffering with madness tucked away, murders, and all sorts of unsavory behaviors through the years happening in the British royal family. It’s naive and childish to imbue them with an almost God-like status.

Why is Daubenmire not focusing on real problems, genuine horrible things happening now that he could be aiding by publicizing real news beneficial for everyone, for example the emergence of the Corona Virus. I have been watching the coverage with interest because of being on an immune suppressor. Lots and lots of misinformation being spread. I am following the CDC, Johns Hopkins and a friend in Canada who works in the field of tracking health threats. Think of all the good guys like Daubenmire could do if they just dropped their silly racism, obsession with being an alpha male while being pretty substandard and other things that do not matter and focused on actually helping others.

PS – I am sure some of you will be scratching your heads wondering how I jumped from the racism against Megham Markle to the Corona Virus. Easy, I’m starting to see the first long ranty super racist against the Chinese mutterings in both America and here in Costa Rica. They have that in common. As this continued this will become another front in the war against racism we must continue to resist. Cue outrage and racism from Daubenmire against the Chinese in 3…2…..1

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Suzanne Titkemeyer went from a childhood in Louisiana to a life lived in the shadow of Washington D.C. For many years she worked in the field of social work, from national licensure to working hands on in a children's residential treatment center. Suzanne has been involved with helping the plights of women and children' in religious bondage. She is a ordained Stephen's Minister with many years of counseling experience. Now she's retired to be a full time beach bum in Tamarindo, Costa Rica with the monkeys and iguanas. She is also a thalassophile. She also left behind years in a Quiverfull church and loves to chronicle the worst abuses of that particular theology. She has been happily married to her best friend for the last 33 years. You can read more about the author here.

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  • NoOne of Consequence

    I didn’t even know Ms Markle was mixed race until this nonsense started. Of course I also typically avoid royal family news because I don’t care, but still. Apparently a lot of people care about it so I’m a bit surprised it never came into view for me. Personally I’m a big fan of widening the gene pool, as a wise cyborg once said “over specialize and you breed in weakness”. Honestly I had always assumed Quiverfull was racist but I think that’s just because I only ever saw white people involved and the only other groups I can think of that want to breed like that are racial supremacists of some stripe.

    I heard that they had developed a vaccine or something for Corona but the source, my niece, isn’t always reliable. I should really do some research, I’ve read to much dystopia fiction to be comfortable with this kind of thing.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    “The royal family is the seat of Christianity. . . .”

    I suspect that, if His Holiness Pope Francis even knew who “Coach” Dave was, he would be puzzled (at best) by such ravings.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    No vaccine yet, they don’t even know how best to treat it. Science is scrambling to come up with a response. I’ve been waiting to see when the racists would show up over this. Today I saw two Trump supporters and one native Costa Rican share online anti-Chinese racist sentiment.

  • Erp

    I suspect the Windsors would be puzzled also. I note that when the marriage took place it was pointed out that the UK royal family already had mixed ancestry.

    IMO a fairly reliable sieve for epidemic news is https://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/ (H5N1 blog)

  • mordred

    I’m not sure what the Haus Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha or the Haus Hannover have to do with white *Anglo Saxon* culture?

  • smrnda

    the White Anglo Saxon Protestant culture is a result of what has happened within the crown.

    Coach, I thought the rowdy colonials decided to tell the crown to go shove it, establishing a new nation with its own culture and religious practices?

  • Polytropos

    There isn’t a vaccine yet because the virus is new and not well understood. It’s from the same family of viruses that cause the common cold. Currently, treatment is the same as for a cold – rest and fluids – and in most cases it will get better on its own, although in some cases of course it’s a lot more serious. Steps you can take to prevent it are exactly the same steps you’d take to avoid getting a cold, i.e. observe good hygiene practices and don’t rub your eyes.

  • AFo

    The Queen is the head of the Church of England, not all of Christianity. You’d think a “good Christian” like Dave would at least know this basic information.

  • Desperate Ambrose

    Part of what makes Daubenmire the way he is, is that he’s ign’ant and proud of it.

  • I remember around the time of the marriage it came out that one of Diana’s supposedly “Armenian” ancestors was actually Indian. Which would have positively scandalized the old-school racists who were still a significant demographic at the time of Charles and Diana’s wedding. The more things change…

  • And you can be sure Anglicans aren’t real Christians to Coach Dave. They’re too close to be being Roman Catholics with the serial numbers filed off.

  • Erik1986

    I heard on NPR this morning that the lab that us working on this took 7 months to develop a vaccine for, I think, SARS, but they don’t think this will take that long. But still, probably at least 3 months if not more.

  • Tawreos

    His religion is white people and they don’t come much whiter than the royal family, so that would make them the seat of religion for hateful people like Dave.

  • Tawreos

    The only thing that I have heard so far is that the Chinese government was slow to admit there was a problem and that has caused some problems, but that could have happened anywhere in the world. So blaming the Chinese “race” is ridiculous unless the Chinese government is a racial group unto themselves.

  • Years ago some Nazi type on Usenet claimed the Windsors weren’t really legitimate because one of their ancestors was a “midnight black” Ethiopian.(A description that makes me wonder if the kook had ever seen an Ethiopian.) This does have a vague link with reality, as one of Prince Phillip’s uncles was married to Nadejda Pushkin, granddaughter of the Russian writer Alexander Pushkin. Pushkin’s maternal great grandfather was Abram Petrovich Gannibal, who as a young boy was kidnapped from an area that is part of modern day Cameroon.(It had long been thought he was of Ethiopian or Eritrean descent, but modern scholars now believe Cameroon is correct) Briefly part of the court of the Ottoman Empire Gannibal was brought to serve in the court of Peter the Great, who took a liking to him. Gannibal went on great success, including being a prominent member of the court of Empress Elizabeth.

  • Page of Earth

    I would think that Royals all by themselves would be a threat, as throughout the past a number of them and their friends have been pedophiles. Also they push for more and more laws to get money from those that can least afford it, and restrict the rights of the working class so that women are not allowed to protect themselves against rapists. What is this world coming to?

  • paganheart

    And Daubenmire doesn’t exactly sound like a nice WASP name, either…in fact, sounds German to me. Go figure….

  • NoOne of Consequence

    Ugh, just what we need. More racism. I can’t wait to hear what the locals have to say at the Walmart in Iowa I go to.

  • NoOne of Consequence

    That doesn’t surprise me, the Chinese government has a serious problem with admitting something is a serious problem. It’s horrible that people have to suffer for their governments pride.

  • NoOne of Consequence

    ^ This.

  • Page of Earth

    Keep in mind that Armenians were Christians and Indians for the most part were not 100 years ago (Indians were at the time Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism or Muslim) . I’m not thinking of the color of their skin but their faith. Besides someones faith and the color of their skin are two different things, and to think otherwise is very racist. As there are some very white Muslims, and some very dark skinned Christians. Also the other way around as well.

  • NoOne of Consequence

    Unfortunately it’s not coming to anything, this is business as usual. The only change is the amount of information the public gets.

  • paganheart

    My niece is half-Chinese (her dad is from Singapore) and one of only a handful of Asian kids at her middle school. Yesterday, she came home in tears because her classmates are apparently refusing to sit next to her and screaming at her that she is a “Chinese 2killer.” Another kid threatened her that she better go back to China, or else. My niece is now afraid to go back to school (my SIL kept her home today) and her parents are complaining to the principal, but sadly, I don’t expect much to be done. (I’m in AZ and the racism here runs deep.)

  • Page of Earth

    That is because of Henry the 8th and him starting a new form of Christianity so he could divorce his wife because he was not smart enough to know it is usually the mans sperm that determines the sex of the child. Problem with royals is they think of everyone else as chattel and nothing more, livestock to be killed when they want the land for something else.

  • Trying this again.

    Seeing as how the corona virus has, in fact, caused fatalities, I’m thinking that’s far more important than quibbling over whether Meghan is “ruining” the royal family.

  • Page of Earth

    The problem is the Chinese Government, as they have the idea that they will loose control over a plague… To them maintaining control is more important than the lives of everyone. This has nothing to with them genetically, it has to do with their leadership culture.

  • Page of Earth

    It was known almost 3 months ago and has been kept from the rest of us. They knew about it at the beginning of November. As with any of these things all that can basically be done is treat the symptoms. They are fast mutating, as in they change everytime they replicate.

  • Tawreos

    But quibbling about Meghan and her affect on the royal family will distract people from the fact that Trump has done his best to clear any competent scientist out of the federal government at a time when competent scientists might just save the day.

  • Jim Jones

    Nancy will say that we need to increase our good Christian white baby output to out-breed the evil brown people. There it is, your main motivation for Quiverfull boiled down to the real reason.

    Although they were OK with stealing hundreds of children from Haiti after the earthquake to turn them into ‘evangelicals’. I’m reading “The Child Catchers” now.

  • Jim Jones

    That’s too sophisticated an argument fro Trump. His steady diet of cheeseburgers and soda makes him immune to foreign diseases – or thoughts.

  • Jim Jones

    > the UK royal family already had mixed ancestry.

    But still mostly German.

  • Jim Jones

    I tend to go for a sauna for these things. ISTM that this is the body’s response to why not help it?

  • Jim Jones

    Get a lawyer and sue all the parents?

  • Martin Penwald

    The WHO has already warned that Southeast Asia was a likely place for epidemies to start because of population density and low sanitary access, which is what happened in Wuhan.
    Plus the fact that Chinese authorities don’t have a culture of transparency.
    But that’s not “the Chineses fault” per se, it’s ridiculous to blame Chinese nationals for the short comings of their authoritarian government.

  • Ruthitchka

    Wow, AZ kids are jerks. They are probably jerks here in CA, too.

  • Page of Earth

    It can take less as we know the dna sequence of the virus

  • Page of Earth

    Nearly every religious person thinks that they are a good person. They are from their own perspective, but that is not true for those that they rule over.

  • Martin Penwald

    The reaction would have been similar from the majority of authoritarian governments, and even democratic governments have a tendancy to minimise or hide inconvenient facts.
    For example, the French government tried to hide that the radioactive clouds from the Tchernobyl catastrophe went through France, because it didn’t want to give ammunitions to the green party against nuclear power generation.

  • persephone

    Henry had a number of disorders. Besides the TBI that Suzanne mentioned, it’s believed he also had malaria, and then there was the injury to his leg that never healed.

  • Whitney Currie

    It’s naive and childish to imbue them with an almost God-like status.

    Just a thought here, but I suspect that’s a very American attitude. People in the UK many times DO feel like Queen Elizabeth is semi-divine, as that’s the traditional view. Divine right, and all. I’m not sure most of the UK honestly believes the way we do here in the US, but this is a cultural thing so far as I’m aware; and while I’d agree that Dave Daubenmire is childish and naive, I’m not sure how folks from the UK would take that statement.

  • persephone

    These people mentally live in the 19th century, and that’s where their weak knowledge of history comes from, a period when the white men in charge made every effort to hide/deny/refuse to consider the importance of women and POC in history. It still happens. A historian recently said that Mary Queen of Scots was not an important figure in history. Yes, he did say that. And David Starkey said that Henry VIII really cared about women. Please don’t hurt yourself laughing.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I meant it in the sense of in America, from an American perspective. All you have to do is look at the ongoing nastiness in the UK over this thing to realize it’s far different to them;

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Reading about Henry there is no telling just how many disorders he had going on at the same time. I don’t doubt it at all that he suffered from malaria, and people wrote about that years long unhealing injury. He might have had some form of blood s ugar ailment like borderline diabetes that stopped the healing too.

  • Astrin Ymris

    I’ve read a theory that Henry VIII may have suffered from Type II diabetes. He was king at the time sugar was becoming more available to the wealthy.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I had a drunk2 American attack me a few hours ago in the only American grocery store here because I was wearing my Vog mask. He thought it meant I had the virus. I routinely wear it in crowds when I start reacting to the scents of other people, their perfume, their smoking smell, their whatever.

  • Whitney Currie

    Joy. Children being allowed to bully each other because the adults are afraid. /s

    Please tell me your SIL is aware she’s going to need to find a solution quickly, because staying out of school isn’t going to fix anything. Yes, I’m familiar with AZ’s racism issues, and I’m heartily sick of them, but your niece deserves an education, and if the school isn’t going to to anything, it’s time to explore other options. Whatever happens, be careful out there; there’s a chance that the parents are worse than their kids.

  • frostysnowman

    And Princess Maragret was not allowed to marry a divorced man back in the day, either.

  • Saraquill

    You’re better off playing wh4ck a mole with a noodle

  • Jim Jones

    I know. Still, sometimes the threat works.

  • paganheart

    Oh they are aware…not the first time it’s happened unfortunately. One of the kids is a repeat offender who has racially attacked her in the past; he got detention the last time and is probably looking at a suspension now (personally I’d like to see the little &*^%# expelled, but that isn’t my call.) They are already looking at other options for her next year; not much they can do this school year, unless they want to transfer her to a school that is vastly academically inferior to the one she’s in now. Unfortunately, one of the options my BIL is considering is packing up and moving back to Singapore, and taking my SIL and niece with him. If he-who-shall-not-be-named is reelected, it is dead certain they will leave. My BIL says he doesn’t feel welcome as an immigrant here anymore, and fears that things will get very, very ugly for non-Whites if he-who-shall-not-be-named gets another term in office. I fear he’s right.

  • persephone

    It wouldn’t be surprising. All the foods he ate would have been very rich. He would pick bits off that he liked then the rest would be passed on. Knowing Henry, he would have picked whatever was the worst for him.

  • paganheart

    That’s awful. Fear does such awful things to people….Rush got it right….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNe2vTm7va4

  • nydiva

    Tim Gueguen: (A description that makes me wonder if the kook had ever seen an Ethiopian.)
    Obviously, you haven’t seen midnight black Ethiopians? I have a good friend who is from Ethiopian and she is midnight black and beautiful. As Supermodel Iman has said to the racist editor of Essense Magazine who called her a White Black women, “[Black] Africa has more than one look.” Cheers.
    https://tinyurl.com/midnight-Ethiopians

  • Martin Penwald

    Which is the Worst Threat? Blacks in the Royal Family or the Corona Virus?

    The Corona Virus in the Royal Family?

  • Raging Bee

    I’ve been to the UK and spoken with many people there; and that’s not the read I get. I’ve never heard ANYONE call ANY of the royals “semi-divine” — not even the greatest of the line like Elizabeth I or William the Conqueror. Lots of people know they’re only human, and pretty stupid and useless ones at that; and even the people who like them most don’t disagree with that assessment.

    ETA: There’s lots of people in the UK who want to keep the monarchy as it is; but that’s not because of “divine right,” it’s more like “they’re a cute quaint part of our history and they bring in a lot of tourists, and they’re harmless*, so why not keep ’em around?”

    ________________________________________
    * Well, mostly harmless — not sure how Prince Andrew’s recent charlie-foxtrot will affect public opinion here.

  • Raging Bee

    Edward VIII.

  • Raging Bee

    I think England, and maybe other monarchies, have a long history of examining princesses and potential princesses to verify whether they’re a) virg1ns and b) capable of bearing children. According to at least one BBC miniseries, at least, Elizabeth I was required to submit to such an exam.

  • Raging Bee

    The Pope is probably thinking “Damn, I’d love to rip these guys a new one, if only we didn’t have that non-aggression pact between all the right-wing Christian factions!”

  • Zeldacat

    That book made me SO VERY ANGRY I can never reread it.

  • Whitney Currie

    I can understand his concerns, he’s got a kid to worry about. I’ve reached a point where I’m worried about the outcome of the next election no matter who wins it; Trump a second term is a nightmare following a disaster, but considering some of his followers I’m not sure what might happen if he gets booted from the office. You and your family stay safe in either case.

  • Michael Neville

    Henry VIII only killed two of his six wives. There’s a bit of doggerel which gives the fates of Henry’s wives:

    Divorced, beheaded, died,
    Divorced, beheaded, survived.

    Wife #1 Catherine of Aragon (mother of Queen Mary) was divorced (actually marriage was annulled).
    Wife #2 Anne Boleyn (mother of Elizabeth I) was accused by Henry of having an affair, which was treason against the king, and was executed.
    Wife #3 Jane Seymour died several days after giving birth to Henry’s only son, Edward.
    Wife #4 Anne of Cleves became Henry’s wife through a brokered diplomatic wedding. Henry found her unattractive and she didn’t care much for him so they agreed to have the wedding, which was never consummated, annulled.
    Wife #5 Catherine Howard (who was Anne Boleyn’s cousin) had an affair with her cousin Thomas Culpepper. Both were convicted of treason and beheaded.
    Wife #6 Catherine Parr was married to Henry for four years before he died. He was her third husband, she remarried after Henry’s death.

  • SAO

    Which means if you did have a contagious disease, you’d have learned your lesson and would, if the future, not wear the mask to avoid being attacked.

  • zizania

    I’m not comfortable with the fact that I’m about to head down to Vancouver for some pretty extensive surgery, cities and hospitals being places best avoided during a possible epidemic, in my opinion. Okay, best avoided at any time, frankly.

  • Polytropos

    Best of luck with it. Surgery is worrying at any time.

  • Cynthia

    Sorry to hear that, sounds just awful!

  • zizania

    Thanks. I’ve been going bonkers trying to get everything done before I go, so I haven’t had much time to worry about the actual operation.

  • Polytropos

    Distraction can be a good thing sometimes.

  • zizania

    Very true. Still trying to decide if I should attend the annual general meeting of a volunteer group I belong to. I should because I’m on the board and may be needed for a vote, but I’m leaving the next morning. I need a clone.

  • Jennifer

    Precisely.

  • Jennifer

    Did Quiverfull have the same effect?

  • Jennifer

    Seriously, that aspect was always the most disgusting to me.

  • Jennifer

    I just recently found out about Catherine Parr’s sad fate. She married a real 2tool after Henry.

  • Jennifer

    ..What?

  • Raging Bee

    …which will, of course, be blamed on the immigrant bride…

  • Zeldacat

    Not that I remember. I’ve never experienced blinding rage like that from a book in my life and I read a lot.

  • Nightflyer

    That was when the Europeans started bringing it back from the Americas. Interestingly, prior to that, Europeans also had much better teeth.