I’m No Victim

I’m puzzled at the lack of reading comprehension by internet pundits.  There are a few stories popping up – in The Advocate and one or two on HuffPo on a recent Google alert — claiming I’m playing “the victim card” over here on my blog. However, anyone who actually read my post would know that I simply made two claims:

1.  Those who claim to be loving and tolerant certainly are hateful and bullying.

2.  But despite their efforts at name-calling and even their threats, I won’t be deterred from speaking out.

Here’s what I said:

“Here’s a news flash, guys.  Your hate and bullying don’t work.  People see through it, and they don’t like to be pushed around.  You think it’s completely obvious that you’re right, but this younger generation is more pro-life than their parents, and voters just keep defending traditional marriage.  Why?  Why would we if you’ve been telling us what to think for all these years?

Because we think for ourselves.  And we’ll keep thinking for ourselves no matter what you call us.  So keep sending the hate, but realize that hate doesn’t win arguments.”

So, this is what professional pundits are calling “playing the victim?”

To paraphrase The Princess Bride: that word does not mean what you think it means.

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  • G.A.W

    Good job failing to provide a real counter-argument. Oh wait, you thought you’d get away with alleging that “pundits” who are criticizing you are not taking into account your original statements about this matter. Well, you’re not.
    The pundit you’re passively responding, without as much as referring to the username of the critic, pointed out how instead of taking to task the arguments that non-intelligent trolls and/or flamers threw at you, you simply complained about people who were mean to you in response to your original post on this matter. You unfailingly succeeded in only stifling this conversation by pulling the exact same card I described once more.
    You should ignore all flamers & trolls that are undoubtedly going to swarm on anybody with a reputation who feels the need to opine on a topic. Then you can move onto more deserving individuals, such as ZJemptv (note to those who may be lost: the link in Palin’s article shown as “two” is a text article by the same user), because ZJemptv made a reasonable argument against you. You’re just ignoring the original argument and crying afoul of any attacks made against you that bore little to no substance in themselves.
    Here’s the thing; if you want to be taken seriously in this platform, how about you argument on merit and not what you’ve been complaining about in the last couple of articles. Hell, you didn’t even address the arguments that Zinnia Jones made in the article you linked; you just want us to pity you. Is that supposed to make your detractors back down? Could you have moved on from that within the same article you wrote and gone on to support your own positions?
    It boils down to this, based on what you shared with the world alone; you are not confident in your own positions, and can’t back them up at all. I’m pretty sure you would have done otherwise (as Zinnia Jones suggested you do, as stated in the article you linked), but that would take effort. This article is so short and bare on the substance factor that were I the editor of this site, I’d tell you that you should either expand on it or keep it from using up bandwidth. But I digress; I guess the apple doesn’t fall far from the “I screwed something up but I’m a victim!” tree.

  • Georgia

    Bristol, here is a video made by an articulate 16-year-old girl, who appears to be the victim of bigotry for being a Christian with an opinion about homosexual marriage, based on her religious beliefs. I thought that you might relate to her and want to see it. Here is some info. on the video, which has been banned from YouTube for no apparent reason. As follows:

    Teen’s Gay Marriage Video Banned By YouTube

    “…The following video produced by sixteen-year-old Madeleine McAulay has been banned by YouTube because it did not meet their “community guidelines.” The video, which had garnered over 20,000 hits in only a week, was submitted to Breitbart News for consideration when it was first released. We are proud to host this video at Breitbart News and we invite everyone to Tweet it, Facebook it and embed it in their blogs. Not because we necessarily agree with Ms. McAulay, but because we believe, as our founder did, that our nation is stronger because of active and engaging debate of all ideas…”

  • Georgia

    MattZuke, I am a Christian. I follow the New Testament. here is some information regarding homosexuality, as it pertains to Christians. As follows:

    Homosexuality was already strictly shunned and covered by Levitical proscription. Christ covered homosexuality when He said that He did not change the laws by “one jot or tittle”. As mentioned, Hebrew law strictly proscribed homosexuality, and so He supported that proscription when He endorsed Levitical law John 2:1-4 (His Father’s Law).

    It was not until the faith expanded to such areas as Rome itself, where catemites and other homosexuals were common, that the issue needed to be addressed specifically, which is why the mention is made in Romans.

    As far as the Jews were concerned, Christ covered homosexuality when he said that he did not change the laws by “one jot or tittle”. As mentioned, Hebrew law strictly proscribed homosexuality, and so he supported that proscription when he endorsed Levitical law.

    Of course we must temper the prescribed penalties with Christ’s admonition that whoever is without sin should cast the first stone. In other words, while Christians may be justified in imposing the prescribed sanctions, they may or may not feel justified in doing so. However, that Christians are not required to impose the prescribed sanction in no way justifies the sin or removes a Christians obligation to call it sin when you see it.

    See, what homosexuals do is to take the Christian charity of those who no longer impose the maximum penalty as justification for committing the sin. It’s like letting a thief off without cutting off his hand only to have him later claim that as proof that stealing is okay.

    Those who follow Christ don’t need the training wheels of the Law, but rather have their meaning written in their hearts, as Isaiah prophesied. The proof that the laws are still in effect comes later in the same passage, in which Christ claims he did not change the law, when he says,

    Matt 5:17-20
    17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    Christ tells a man who asks how to get into Heaven that he must obey the laws in this passage:

    Matt 19:16-17
    16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

    17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    Note that the word translated as “commandments”, the Greek entolas, means simply laws or precepts, and so refers to all the laws.

    Lastly, consider the words of John, the beloved disciple, paying particular attention to verse 4:

    1 John 2:1-4
    2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

    2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    It is a pernicious and false doctrine that claims that Christ obviated the law. Christ denies it, the actual disciples who lived and walked with him deny it, and common sense denies it, Matt.

    • MattZuke

      “MattZuke, I am a Christian. I follow the New Testament. here is some information regarding homosexuality, as it pertains to Christians. As follows:”

      Actually, you’re a Nazi Christian. You accept a precept, and expect EVERYONE else to follow it, or else be put in concentration camps with electric fences. This is in 2011, not 1930

      Not like Pastor Worly, you are also ignorant as Levitical doesn’t cover lesbians, only male homosexuality. Even then, so long as a gay doesn’t engage in sexual relationships with a woman, that’s acting according to the letter of Leviticus.

      Now you don’t even accept your own precept that the bible is absolute truth. Do you cut your hair or shave (19:27), do you plant different crops on in your yard, or wear cotton with wool(19:19)? Do you bar the disabled from church, or Koreans? (27:17-18). Do you eat pork or shellfish?

      Your bigotry is based on selective enforcement. Levitican law is not enforced. We don’t kill children for cursing their parents (20:9) we don’t murder adulterers (20:10), or someone for shagging his father’s wife (not your mother) (20:11). We don’t burn the priest’s daughter for being a whore (21:9).

      Your assertion that Christians follow Levitican law is counter to ALL objective reality, with the exception of isolated fringe Christians.

      “It is a pernicious and false doctrine that claims that Christ obviated the law. Christ denies it, the actual disciples who lived and walked with him deny it, and common sense denies it, Matt.”

      No bigot. See Romans 14:5, “Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind”
      Hebrews 8:6, Matthew 22 37-40; Galatians 5:14; John 13:34; Romans 13:10
      Levitican law is ignored, and the most important command is love god, love your neighbor as yourself.

      You also ignore Galatians 2:19-3:21 “if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing”, as well as James 2:8 “If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”you are doing right.”

      Even if you accept Leviticus, all laws were not written equal. Homosexuality, or specifically homosexuals who’d shag a woman the same way, is on the same level as eating lobster, or wearing wool with cotton.

      So sorry bigot, even the bible doesn’t validate your bigotry. If you think personally homosexuality is wrong, don’t engage in homosexual acts. But your choice affects only you. We have the freedom of, and from, religion. The American Medical Association, The American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Psychoanalytic Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics Association, the American Association of Social Workers all agree SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT A CHOICE, AND CAN NOT BE CHANGED.

      Further, we also know that “god” himself made people homosexuals, specifically the converted Roman Pagans that relapsed to animal worship, God had a big old laugh when (s)he changed the Roman Pagans into homosexuals IN MID ACT. If you accept the bible as literal truth, you must accept that that GOD has the ability to make people into homosexuals, and it’s his/her will. Sorry bigot.

      So in short, Christ didn’t endorse Leviticus, Christians as a whole don’t follow Levitican law, and even in the context of Levitican law, homosexuality was not a capital crime. You can accept the scientific consensus that homosexuality NOT A CHOICE, or the opinion of some Bronze age sheep shaggers who were trying to maximize population growth at the time. More over, you can choose to ignore objective reality that Levitican law is outmoded or get with the program.

    • MattZuke

      “17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

      Note that the word translated as “commandments”, the Greek entolas, means simply laws or precepts, and so refers to all the laws.”

      Actually you’re being intellectually dishonest by quote mining Matthew. The dead give away is “the commandments”, the KJV is VERY GOOD about phrasing.

      Commandments (entolē) can refer to either the 10 commandments or Mosaic law. This part is true, however, you’re asserting Jesus was talking Mosaic law. How do we know he wasn’t? Because Jesus was asked which commandments and Jesus rehashed the 10. (Mat 19:18-19). That was the whole debate Jesus was sucked into, do we allow divorce for ANY REASON as prescribed in Deut 24.

      I had to rehash this myself, so I can’t blame you for your ignorance, but the whole chapter deals with a debate OVER Mosiac law (Deut 24), whether it’s okay to “put away” (divorce) your wife if she is “unclean” for EVERY CAUSE. It was Jesus’s position that Moses allowed it because of the hardness of men’s hearts, and cited Genesis asserting GOD doesn’t desire it, except in cases of adultery, else divorce results in adultery. Even then, it’s allowed, but not required. If you don’t get it, Jesus is proposing IGNORING Mosaic law where adulators would be stoned in a box filed with manure until dead and plant a tree there (see also John 8).

      So what does this mean, Jesus proposes ignoring Mosaic law, not just the killing bits, but justifications for divorce, such as talking to the husbands mother badly, not keeping her hair, or meeting someone better. But keeping the big 10.

      Your citation here actually validates my position. Helps to actually read your bible, but to be fair I had to rehash it. :P

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  • Evelyn

    I think the reason people got fired up about ur post is because the way u said it. If u would of posted what u said on your second blog post about people being a bully, the first time u wouldnt of got so many unpleasant respones i think. There’s is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion but on topics such as same sex marriage these days is a very delicate topic in which one should be carefull in how they voice their opinion. Idk if u actually read these but thats my opinion.

  • Bianca

    “Let’s not change thousands of years of thinking of traditional marriage” was the same arguement bigots used against interracial marriage. Are you homophobic AND racist? First the 16 year olds that didn’t like your family’s failed cancled show on TLC and now Obama’s teenage daughters? Bristol, how about YOU stop being a 21 year old bully and GROW UP! Maybe love thy neighbor for once… even if they’re gay.

  • Erin

    Ah, Ms. Bristol, or is it Mrs.? I can’t keep up. A bit of advice in writing a blog, always use correct grammar or you tend to look…uneducated and quite dumb. Here’s an example from your blog. “Here’s a news flash, guys. Your hate and bullying don’t work.” Correction- change don’t to doesn’t.

    To address the subject matter of your post, I think you should be playing the victim card. Why? Your last name is Palin dear. The hit movie Game Change (which was very good I might add) and the very funny show on HBO is DEDICATED to your mother. If I were you, I would be screaming and pointing “victim here!”. But that’s obviously not that case because you think differently. You think that our generation is “more pro-life than our parents”. I guess your mother never told you about why Roe vs. Wade was taken to the Supreme Court in 1973, or why the Personhood Amendment wouldn’t pass in Mississippi which is the most conservative state in the nation. I guess she also forgot to mention that Planned Parenthood will never lose its funding. It’s all pretty simple, really. Basically, it’s too big to fail. There are millions of women from Gloria Steinhem, Margaret Sanger, to Cecile Richards, to ordinary women like me who truly believe in women’s rights and are pro-choice. Many women are pro-choice, have terminated a pregnancy, and don’t regret it. I know you can’t comprehend that, but just remember everyone’s situation is different. Not everyone has supportive parents, this isn’t the 1970′s anymore. So for the cold hard truth— Your mom lost. You lost. We won. So do yourself and your family a favor and quit the circus blog act, common public opinion thinks you and your mom are only here to make money, and you are. You don’t care about what you believe in, you just got knocked up and found a way to make money because you can’t do anything else because you’re uneducated. Go educate yourself, get a college degree, and then come back and decide what you want to do. I may sound brutally rude, and honestly yes I really don’t like you, but I am trying to give you advice. Don’t choose the easy way out by all this publicity nonsense, go do something with your life. I’m sure this has been hard having so many haters. But once you have a degree, no one can take that away from you. People can take away your dignity, your self-esteem, they can hurt you, they can break you, but no one can take away your knowledge. Knowledge is power.

    • Alyssa

      Erin, No one asked for your advise. If you were the grammer police, you would be fired. “Your mom lost” and “We” won? Grow up! When Obama was elected, WE all lost. I may sound brutally rude, but sincere when I say, Shut the hell up!

    • Valentine

      Lol, “…once you have a degree, no one can take that away from you.” You actually look that highly upon a college education, and look down at those who do things “for the money.” You have absolutely NO idea how this world works outside of the cumfy confines of your pathetic narrow-minded self-absorbed postmodern existence. Seriously, your comments about knowledge make me weep for humanity that people like you exist and have to be delt with. I’ll bet you and your fellow haters attach your self-worth to your knowledge, which is why you feel so threatened by people like the Palins. After all, if they can have any worth in today’s society without learning the proper way to think from some BS college then everything you base your life on might be for naught. Typical closed-minded lib.

      Btw, I just called you names. You should play the victim card; I’ll bet it will make you feel better.

    • Michele

      I just had to reply to this: Erin, your nasty negative comments you should keep to yourself. Just because you have a college degree does not mean that you have common sense. Maybe your mother didn’t tell you if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all. After reading your post – that is my advice to you! I am glad you didn’t post where you went to school because I read your comments and it sounded ignorant. . . Newsflash – our country lost with Obama and we see it everyday. . . Valuing human life is so important – more people need to be pro-life – and I believe in pro-choice – keep your legs closed it’s a choice! I applaud Bristol for her bravery and her values and I think that people like to give her a hard time to possibly say something so nasty to or about her mother is so immature. The only victim here is YOU, get a refund from any school you went to, they obviously didn’t do their job!!

    • John

      LOL I actually came here to troll Bristol’s blog but I have to say you made yourself out to be quite an idiot too. I get annoyed by grammar police on the internet for the simple fact that noone holds whats written here to that high of a standard. THAT being said, if you are going to correct someone you better be right. Which you were not.

      “Ah, Ms. Bristol, or is it Mrs.? I can’t keep up. A bit of advice in writing a blog, always use correct grammar or you tend to look…uneducated and quite dumb. Here’s an example from your blog. “Here’s a news flash, guys. Your hate and bullying don’t work.” Correction- change don’t to doesn’t.”

      “does not” or doesn’t versus “do not” and don’t. “Hate and bullying don’t work” That is actually grammatically sound. This is because Hate and Bullying are two seperate things that when put together make a plural. “do not” and “don’t” are used in circumstances where you have a plural indirect object. Does not, however, is for singular. He does not. They do not. He doesn’t. They don’t. LOL as much as I can’t stand the incredibly stupid Palin clan I really can’t stand grammar police either. Allways stumbling across a typo and bringing it to light and usually because nothing more substantial could be said.

    • Robin

      Who is looking uneducate now?! I also see some punctuation errors in your own writing–not to mention it is written with a mean tone. Calling people names like idiot and dumb is rude, immature, and very unethical. Why not just stop as saying “….makes you look uneducated?” Did you really have to add “and quite dumb”? When a person criticizes someone else and is mean about it, their words hold no water because there is something they can be criticized for as well. I hate hypocritical statements and actions. If a person wants to be respected, they should respect others. If someone wants to be heard, they should speak with a respectful tone–otherwise, no one gives a flying flip what they are saying. It will create no good outcome whatsoever.

    • Margaret Johnson

      So Erin, how about you tell us a little bit about yourself? Can you tell us, please, what makes you God’s gift to the world? Because I am dying to know! You are the definite example of ignorant. You have your own beliefs, which is fine, just fine and dandy! Ms. Palin can have her own beliefs as well, such as pro-life. And you know what, that is fine and dandy too! I know it is really hard for you to comprehend that Erin, but try as hard as you can, as hard as your college education has given you! Ok? And for the record, a college education isn’t everything. I am about to wrap up mine and I can honestly say that sometimes it is experience and real world situations that teach you common sense and more about the world than you will ever know. Because you don’t have to PAY for those things, college is costly which in turns means that someone is setting the agenda to what you will be learning in college. Not everything is as one-sided as you may think. Just because someone does not have a college degree, does not mean they don’t get to think and have opinions as you said in your comment. I would say that is human rights at its finest, wouldn’t you? Being able to have your own opinion and “able to think” without meeting a standard set by someone as yourself. Good Grief.

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