The role of leadership within the church shouldn't be a controversial topic (or require a penis). If we followed the ways of Christ, leadership would look more like service. Yet, over 2000 years of church history seems to indicate Christianity has its priorities messed up. From the patriarchy devaluing and crushing women in the church to congregations that worship their pastor as a celebrity, the church has a terrible track record in regards to leadership and service. One of the key areas that continues to facilitate this sickness is the hierarchy structure of leadership. Joining me today is my good friend, Joel Varner, who trains churches and communities on how to recapture the missional nature of the Gospels. We'll talk about what church leadership should look like if it's ever going to be a healthy practice. Joel is one of those people that has greatly impacted my life as a friend and I always love our conversations. Today, you get to enjoy one of those chats between friends that's honest and with no agenda as we talk about where we've been in ministry and what the future of faith communities could look like without hierarchy, yet primed to serve. Enjoy. For more on Forge America go here : https://www.forgeamerica.com/ For more on Forge Albany go here: https://www.forgealbany.org/ Come along for the ride as we skewer through life, culture, and spirituality in the face of a changing world. www.SnarkyFaith.com