And now, for something completely different... In this solo episode, Jason discusses the high price of living out of fear, transitioning to a life centered on love, what Jesus meant when He talked about "hell", and more. Jason Elam is a former pastor, aspiring author, and podcaster. He is Brandi's grateful husband and proud dad of four awesome kids. He currently serves as a community organizer at The Hope Center near Birmingham, Alabama. You can follow The Messy Spirituality Podcast on Facebook and support us on Patreon ! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Connect with the crew : You can find Lola on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok You can find Kyle on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok. You can find Jason on Facebook , Instagram , and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok). Be sure to check out our Youtube channel. Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB! Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!