Welcome to episode 56 of the podcast featuring the one and only Karl Forehand. Karl is a former pastor and is the award winning author of the wonderful book, "Apparent Faith" for which he won a 2020 Christian Indie Award. He and his wife, Laura, host The Desert Sanctuary podcast and website. He writes a thought provoking column for Patheos and, somehow, still finds time to be one of my best friends in the world. He is the creative force behind the wildly successful Nomad Conference and Too Many Podcasts online broadcasts. He has a brand new book releasing today called "The Tea Shop" and I can't wait for you to read it. In this new interview, we discuss why Karl no longer considers himself a Christian and the Divine encounter he had in a tea shop in Taiwan that changed his life. You can purchase Karl's brand new book "The Tea Shop" here. Visit Karl's website here. You can find Karl's Patheos column here. You can connect with Karl on Facebook and Instagram and join his Desert Sanctuary FB group. We'd love for you to follow our podcast on Facebook , Twitter , and Instagram and join the conversation on our FB group exclusively for listeners of this podcast here. Please be sure to answer the two quick membership questions for fast approval! Be sure to check out my Patheos column here. I'd be really grateful if you'd consider supporting the show (and all of my creative work) via Patreon. You'll get exclusive access to videos, articles, and early access to every new episode of the podcast as my way of saying thanks for your support! We really appreciate all of the ratings, reviews, subscriptions, and episode shares of this podcast. Thanks so much! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Connect with the crew : You can find Lola on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok You can find Kyle on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok. You can find Jason on Facebook , Instagram , and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok). Be sure to check out our Youtube channel. Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB! Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!