My friend, Todd Vick, and I just had a wonderfully "messy conversation" about the dark side of local church ministry, learning to be transparent, experiencing Jesus in a mental health support group, and Todd's upcoming book. You can find Todd Vick on Facebook. You can order Todd's incredible first book, "The Renewing of Your Mind" here. While you're on Facebook, follow The Messy Spirituality Podcast and join our private group exclusively for the listeners of this podcast, Messy Conversations. Please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe to this podcast on your podcast platform of choice. Thanks so much for listening! We appreciate you! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Connect with the crew : You can find Lola on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok You can find Kyle on Facebook , Instagram , and TikTok. You can find Jason on Facebook , Instagram , and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok). Be sure to check out our Youtube channel. Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB! Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!