Jews, Judaism, and the Old Testament (Index Page)

Jews, Judaism, and the Old Testament (Index Page) December 7, 2007
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Footsteps that Echo Forever: My Holy Land Pilgrimage (Nov. 2014, 165 pages)

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[cover photograph taken by Margie Prox Sindelar in Caesarea Philippi, on 23 October 2014]

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THE MESSIAH IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
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The Messiah: Jewish / Old Testament Conceptions [1982; revised somewhat on 2-19-00]
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RELATIONSHIP OF OLD AND NEW COVENANTS / JEWS AND CHRISTIANS / DEVELOPMENT OF DOCTRINE: JUDAISM TO CHRISTIANITY
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Apostles and Synagogue and Temple Worship [3-25-07; slight editing and minor additions on 8-8-16]
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Jewish Belief in Purgatory By the Time of Jesus (Paul Hoffer) [9-20-11; posted to Facebook on 2-17-17]
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Why is Melchizedek So Important? [National Catholic Register, 1-15-18]
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MY PILGRIMAGE TO ISRAEL (2014)
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Signs in Jerusalem: How God Can Speak to You Through ‘Coincidence’ [my visit to the Pool of Siloam, Seton Magazine, 12-17-14]
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I Was Blessed to Visit Bethlehem in 2014. What Joy! [National Catholic Register, 12-31-17; originally 12-26-14]
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Visiting Golgotha in Jerusalem is a Sublime Experience [National Catholic Register, 3-21-18]
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ALLEGED OLD TESTAMENT CONTRADICTIONS AND ETHICAL DIFFICULTIES 
 
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Old Earth, Flood Geology, Local Flood, & Uniformitarianism (vs. Kevin Rice) [5-25-04; many defunct links removed and new ones added: 5-10-17]

Biblical Flat Earth (?) Cosmology: Dialogue w Atheist (vs. Matthew Green) [9-11-06]

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Flat Earth: Biblical Teaching? (vs. Ed Babinski) [9-17-06]
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God “Hardening Hearts”: How Do We Interpret That? [12-18-08; expanded on 1-4-17]

Genesis Contradictory (?) Creation Accounts & Hebrew Time: + Refutation of a Clueless Atheist “Biblical Contradiction” [5-11-17]

Does God Ever Judge People by Sending Disease? [10-30-17]

Seidensticker Folly #10: Slavery in the Old Testament [8-20-18]

Seidensticker Folly #19: Torah & OT Teach Polytheism? [9-18-18]

Seidensticker Folly #20: An Evolving God in the OT? (God’s Omnipotence, Omniscience, & Omnipresence in Early Bible Books & Ancient Jewish Understanding) [9-18-18]

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OLD TESTAMENT: GENERAL 
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Adam & Eve of Genesis: Historical & the Primal Human Pair? (vs. Bishop Robert Barron) [11-28-13]
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“Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?” [Dr. Dennis Bonnette, Crisis Magazine, 11-24-14]
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Patterns of Evidence: Exodus: Superb Pop Archaeology [12-23-15]

The Genesis Creation Accounts and Hebrew Time [National Catholic Register, 7-2-17]

New Testament Evidence for Noah’s Existence [National Catholic Register, 3-11-18]

Modernism vs. History in Genesis & Biblical Inspiration [7-23-18]

Seidensticker Folly #5: Has Archaeology Disproven the Exodus? [8-15-18]

Seidensticker Folly #16: Two Sets of Ten Commandments? [9-10-18]

Seidensticker Folly #19: Torah & OT Teach Polytheism? [9-18-18]

Seidensticker Folly #20: An Evolving God in the OT? (God’s Omnipotence, Omniscience, & Omnipresence in Early Bible Books & Ancient Jewish Understanding) [9-18-18]

Orthodox Interpretation of Genesis and the Serpent [National Catholic Register, 11-19-18]

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ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS 
Updated on 19 April 2019.

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  • Hi, Dave, this is Pito.

    I was just wondering whether Catholics are permitted to believe that God gave Moses an Oral as well as a Written Torah on the Mountain, as Orthodox Jews believe, however corrupt some of the Pharisees may have been or made the Law?

    Thanks.

  • Hi, Dave, this is Pito.

    I was just wondering whether Catholics are permitted to believe that God gave Moses an Oral as well as a Written Torah on the Mountain, as Orthodox Jews believe, however corrupt some of the Pharisees may have been or made the Law?

    Thanks.

  • Sure. I have used the argument myself, as an analogy to Tradition, over against written Scripture.

    The Pharisaical tradition was the mainstream of Judaism in Christ's time. Jesus followed it, so did Paul (he called himself one twice, after his conversion).

    And the Pharisees believed in oral tradition, originally given to Moses, and developed over time. It was the Sadducees who denied this. They were the liberals and "sola Scripturists" of that time.

  • Sure. I have used the argument myself, as an analogy to Tradition, over against written Scripture.

    The Pharisaical tradition was the mainstream of Judaism in Christ's time. Jesus followed it, so did Paul (he called himself one twice, after his conversion).

    And the Pharisees believed in oral tradition, originally given to Moses, and developed over time. It was the Sadducees who denied this. They were the liberals and "sola Scripturists" of that time.

  • Hello, Dave,

    As a follow-up to my first question on the Oral Torah, I'd like to add that it seems to me that Catholics may believe that the Talmudim, Midrashim, Aggadot and most major Jewish Law codes accurately record it. The trouble I have with this is reconciling this with the question of where the Jews went wrong, why we should believe they did, and your thoughts on why God would allow that to happen, as this geneeral Christian claim appears analogous to me to the anti-Catholic argument that the Church became corrupt at an arbitrary point in history.

    Thanks in advance for your help.

    -Pito

  • Hello, Dave,

    As a follow-up to my first question on the Oral Torah, I'd like to add that it seems to me that Catholics may believe that the Talmudim, Midrashim, Aggadot and most major Jewish Law codes accurately record it. The trouble I have with this is reconciling this with the question of where the Jews went wrong, why we should believe they did, and your thoughts on why God would allow that to happen, as this geneeral Christian claim appears analogous to me to the anti-Catholic argument that the Church became corrupt at an arbitrary point in history.

    Thanks in advance for your help.

    -Pito

  • Thanks for the question. I've responded at length in a new post:

    Is the Anti-Catholic Myth of Total Catholic Apostasy Analogous to the Jewish-Christian Parting of Ways in the First Century?

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2009/12/is-anti-catholic-myth-of-total-catholic.html

  • Thanks for the question. I've responded at length in a new post:

    Is the Anti-Catholic Myth of Total Catholic Apostasy Analogous to the Jewish-Christian Parting of Ways in the First Century?

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2009/12/is-anti-catholic-myth-of-total-catholic.html

  • Anyone, I'd appreciate some help regarding online links about the New Testament's relationship to rabbinic teachings if you could, please?

    Thanks.

  • Anyone, I'd appreciate some help regarding online links about the New Testament's relationship to rabbinic teachings if you could, please?

    Thanks.

  • This is an impressive collection of articles that demonstrates significant understanding of and respect for Judaism coming from an orthodox, non-"liberal" Roman Catholic context. Yet, from reading the rest of this website, it would appear that the author, like any other similarly orthodox Catholic, nevertheless expects that any Jew who takes their Faith to the grave will suffer a horrific eschatological fate, regardless of their sincere worship of the One True God, and regardless of their having lived a virtuous life. This is consistent with historic RC teaching, but I wonder how the author deals with this tension? It surely must be felt to be an uncomfortable fact, even if it's one which "must" be believed in.

  • This is an impressive collection of articles that demonstrates significant understanding of and respect for Judaism coming from an orthodox, non-"liberal" Roman Catholic context. Yet, from reading the rest of this website, it would appear that the author, like any other similarly orthodox Catholic, nevertheless expects that any Jew who takes their Faith to the grave will suffer a horrific eschatological fate, regardless of their sincere worship of the One True God, and regardless of their having lived a virtuous life. This is consistent with historic RC teaching, but I wonder how the author deals with this tension? It surely must be felt to be an uncomfortable fact, even if it's one which "must" be believed in.

  • Thanks for your articulate comment. I appreciate your first sentence very much. That is what I strive to do.

    Please refresh my memory: where did I say that "any" believing Jews would go to hell? I don't remember asserting any such thing. Could you direct me to remarks that led you to believe that "it would appear" that I hold this?

    I'm sure I have said that anyone who truly understands Catholicism, "knows" it to be the truth, and rejects it, is in distinct danger of hellfire, but that is an entirely different proposition.

    In other papers I have argued that it is possible for an atheist to possibly be saved.

    Therefore, I'm curious where you got this impression.

  • Thanks for your articulate comment. I appreciate your first sentence very much. That is what I strive to do.

    Please refresh my memory: where did I say that "any" believing Jews would go to hell? I don't remember asserting any such thing. Could you direct me to remarks that led you to believe that "it would appear" that I hold this?

    I'm sure I have said that anyone who truly understands Catholicism, "knows" it to be the truth, and rejects it, is in distinct danger of hellfire, but that is an entirely different proposition.

    In other papers I have argued that it is possible for an atheist to possibly be saved.

    Therefore, I'm curious where you got this impression.