Saints, Purgatory, & Penance (Index Page)

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(February 2012, 152 pages)

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COMMUNION OF SAINTS: GENERAL
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The Communion of Saints: Biblical Overview [1995; posted to Facebook on 1-27-17; published in The Catholic Answer (Nov / Dec 1998)]
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Treatise on Communion of Saints (Anthony Zarrella) [6-9-16]
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COMMUNION OF SAINTS: INVOCATION AND INTERCESSION OF SAINTS AND ANGELS 
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Replies to a Sincere Inquirer on Praying to Saints [5-27-08; posted to Facebook on 3-12-17]
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Exchange with a Calvinist on Prayers for and to the Dead (vs. Kevin Jandt) [Facebook, 3-19-15]

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Praying to Angels & Angelic Intercession [2015]

Asking Saints to Intercede: Teaching of Jesus [2015]

Why Pray to Saints Rather than God? [9-4-15]

Reply to a Lutheran Pastor on Invocation of Saints [12-1-15]

John Calvin Did Not Pray to Philip Melanchthon [9-19-09; revised with retraction, 5-3-16]

Dialogue on Praying to Abraham (Luke 16) [5-22-16]

Prayer to Saints: “New” [?] Biblical Argument [5-23-16]

Treatise on Communion of Saints (Anthony Zarrella) [6-9-16]

Must Catholics Pray to Saints or be Excommunicated? [Facebook, 12-2-16]

What Do Catholics Mean When They Say, “Praying to the Saints”? [Facebook, 1-9-17]

“Armstrong vs. Geisler” #5: Prayer to Creatures [2-20-17]

Dialogue: Rich Man’s Prayer to Abraham (Luke 16) and the Invocation of Saints (vs. Lutheran Pastor Ken Howes) [5-3-17]

Dialogue on Samuel Appearing to Saul (Witch of Endor) [5-6-17]

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COMMUNION OF SAINTS: VENERATION OF SAINTS AND ANGELS 

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4th Century Icons of St. Peter and St. Paul Found in Rome [6-23-10; posted to Facebook on 2-7-17] 
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Dialogue on Worship of God Via Natural Images (vs. Jim Drickamer) [1-16-17]
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COMMUNION OF SAINTS: RELICS

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PURGATORY AND SHEOL (HADES)

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Biblical Overview on Penance, Purgatory, and Indulgences: “Saved As By Fire” [1994] *

Reflections on Penance and Purgatory [1994] *

Fictional Dialogue on Purgatory [1995]

25 Bible Passages on Purgatory [1996]

Short Exposition on Purgatory [5-9-02; posted to Facebook on 1-27-17]

Dialogue on Purgatory and its Relation to Baptism and Penance [9-30-02] *

A Biblical Argument for Purgatory (Matthew 5:25-26) [10-13-04]

Is Purgatory a “Place” or a “Condition”?: Misconceptions From [Eastern Orthodox] Fr. Ambrose About My Opinion (and the Church’s View) / Also: Development and Alleged Historical Revisionism [7-24-05]

Dialogue with Lutherans on Jesus’ Descent Into “Hell” [2-1-07]

Purgatory: Refutation of James White (1 Corinthians 3:10-15) [3-3-07]

Has Limbo Been Relegated to Limbo? [12-28-07]

Dialogue on Sheol / Hades (Limbo of the Fathers) and Luke 16 (the Rich Man and Lazarus) with a Baptist (vs. “Grubb”) [2-28-08]

Martin Luther’s Heretical Notion of Soul Sleep and Rejection of Purgatory and Prayers For the Dead Based on This Denial (+ William Tyndale Agrees) [2-9-08] *

Luther: Purgatory “Quite Plain” in 2 Maccabees [3-5-09]

Purgatory is the Waiting Room for Heaven [4-25-09]

Luke 23:43 (Thief on the Cross): “Paradise” = Sheol, Not Heaven, According to Many Reputable Protestant Scholars [5-25-09]

50 Bible Passages on Purgatory & Analogous Processes [2009]

John Wesley’s Belief in an Intermediate State After Death [7-13-09]

C. S. Lewis’ Belief in Purgatory & Prayer for the Dead [6-22-10]

Clarification of My Biblical Defense of Purgatory and its Doctrinal Development [9-20-11; posted to Facebook on 2-17-17]

Jewish Belief in Purgatory By the Time of Jesus (Paul Hoffer) [9-20-11; posted to Facebook on 2-17-17]

John Wesley’s View of Purgatory and Analogous Processes [2013]

Dialogue with an Evangelical on Purgatory [10-7-13]

Multiple Meanings of “Paradise” in Scripture [1-2-14]

Purgatory in One Verse (1 Corinthians 3:15) [Facebook, 1-29-14]

Martin Luther’s Belief in Purgatory [Facebook, 11-17-14]

The Raising of Tabitha as a Compelling Indicator of Purgatory (Tony Gerring) [3-20-15; posted to Facebook on 2-17-17]

Dialogue with a Lutheran About Purgatory [3-20-15; extensive interaction in the combox] *

“Armstrong vs. Geisler” #1: Purgatory (Mt 12:32) [2-17-17]

“Armstrong vs. Geisler” #2: Purgatory (Lk 23:43) [2-17-17]

Did Jesus Descend to Hell, Sheol, or Paradise After His Death? [National Catholic Register, 4-17-17]

Exchange on Purgatory with my Presbyterian Friend, John E. Taylor [Facebook, 5-11-17]

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PRAYER AND PENANCE FOR THE DEAD

Baptizing the Dead? (Odd Verse 1 Corinthians 15:29) [6-5-02]

New (?) Biblical Argument: Prayers for the Dead [2004]

Martin Luther Espouses Prayer for the Dead / Retroactive Prayer [3-22-05; posted to Facebook on 2-17-17]

Does God Forbid All Contact with the Dead? [6-23-07]

The False Doctrine of “Soul Sleep” and Prayers To, For, and From the Dead: the Biblical Evidence Confirms Catholic Belief [11-28-07] *

John Wesley Believed in Prayer for the Dead [7-13-09]

C. S. Lewis’ Belief in Purgatory & Prayer for the Dead [6-22-10]

Fasting for the Dead in the Old Testament (Not Unlike Praying) [11-4-12]

Dialogue on Prayer for the Dead & the Bible [11-5-12]

Elijah, Jesus, and Peter Prayed for the Dead, and Jesus and St. Peter Practiced Invocation of the Dead (Isn’t the Bible Great?) [Facebook, 6-9-13] 

“Pray for the Dead Like Paul Did!” (mock Church billboard) [Facebook, 2-10-14]

Exchange with a Calvinist on Prayers for and to the Dead (vs. Kevin Jandt) [Facebook, 3-19-15]

“Armstrong vs. Geisler” #4: Prayer for the Dead [2-20-17]

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PRAYER FOR THE DEAD: ST. PAUL AND ONESIPHORUS

Paul Prayed for Dead Onesiphorus (Protestant Commentaries) [7-14-09]

Prayer for the Dead: Lutheran Pastor (LCMS) Defends it from Scripture, Citing the Pauline Example of Onesiphorus [11-22-09] *

Cardinal Newman on Onesiphorus and Prayer for the Dead [Facebook, 3-18-15]

St. Paul Prayed for a Dead Man: Onesiphorus [8-19-15]

Was Onesiphorus Dead When Paul Prayed (Or, “Wished” as it Were) for Him? Data from 16 Recent Protestant Commentaries (1992-2016) [Facebook, 3-20-17]

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PENANCE, CONFESSION, AND ABSOLUTION

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Karl Adam, G. K. Chesterton, and Karl Keating on Confession [5-27-04; posted to Facebook on 2-28-17]
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INDULGENCES
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MORTIFICATION, FASTING, ABSTINENCE, ASCETICISM, SUFFERING, REDEMPTIVE SUFFERING, AND LENT

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Monasticism Defended [1997; posted to Facebook on 2-28-17] 
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[for lengthy philosophical analyses of suffering and the problem of evil, see my Philosophy, Science, and Christianity web page; second section]

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  • https://www.blogger.com/profile/04297455192783722594 Sophia’s Lover

    Dave, it's Pito, and I'm curious as to yours and others' thoughts on this article by Greg Koukl: http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id;=5517

    Thanks.

  • https://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173 Dave Armstrong

    I think it is a garden-variety critique. I would set my articles on the topic next to his any day. Mine have a lot more meat. I have found 50 passages that I think have some relation to purgatory, and used 25 in my first book. He cites a few and dismisses them (in the usual Protestant polemical fashion).

    Like many Protestants, I don't think he even knows the depth in which Catholic arguments go, in defending these doctrines.

  • https://www.blogger.com/profile/15746373228302022418 Adomnan

    Purgatory — or the idea that the dead can be helped by prayers; same thing — is taught in 2 Maccabees, which is in the canon. Therefore, it is a biblical doctrine.

    Koukl claims that Paul's statement that "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" is inconsistent with purgatory. However, those in purgatory are "present with the Lord," and so there's no inconsistency.

    Koukl fundamentally misunderstands the gospel. He believes that Jesus Christ has to pay our debts to the Father to obtain forgiveness. This is a contradiction in terms. Debts can either be paid off or they can be forgiven. If they are paid off, then they are not forgiven. If Jesus Christ paid the Father for our sins, then the Father did not forgive our sins. But He did; and so there was no payment.

    People often miss the most obvious of truths.

    Here's what Koukl says (in another article):

    Koukl: God knows that I have all kinds of sins to my credit.

    Me: Well, okay.

    Koukl: That's the certificate of debt that Paul talks about in Colossians 2.

    Me: Actually, no. The certificate of debt in Colossians 2 is Gentiles' (and Jews') failure to follow the Mosaic Law. It is not about sin in general. "He has wiped out the record of our debt to the Law, which stood against us; he has destroyed it by nailing it to the cross." For Paul, the Law is always specifically the Jewish Law. Elsewhere he says that those who are not under the Law (i.e., Gentiles) do not transgress the Law. Their "debt" is not that they transgressed it, but that they were never under it in the first place. In the preceding verse, Paul also points out that God has forgiven sins, but this "debt to the Law" is something else.

    Koukl: There's the list of things and all of those were future events to Christ. God knows from the beginning to the end the sins I haven't even committed yet, sins that my mind has committed that my hands haven't gotten to yet. God has them all on His list because they will all eventually be against me in the final tally. Jesus had to die for every one of those sins or else I have to pay for some that He didn't die for. If I have to pay for some, then I'm sunk. But if Jesus paid for them, then He paid for them and that's it.

    Me: So here Koukl says that Jesus paid these debts to the Father. If so, then, as I explained, the Father did not forgive debts/sins, but rather received payment for them. A forgiven debt is an unpaid debt.

    The notion that we have to "pay" for sins that Jesus didn't "pay" for is a flat-out denial that God forgives. All He does in this scheme is collect debts from one person or another. This is an insult to God, Who does forgive our debts just as Christ asks us to forgive our debtors (rather than demanding payment).

    So Koukl has got it all wrong, as people usually do when they make up their own religion.